It doesn’t work.
https://www.businessinsider.com/life-after-basic-income-more-savings-working-two-jobs-2026-5
>>534480911>the single mom of threei wonder if they have the same father
>>534480911Im not a fan of UBI, but how can you pay someone below poverty wages, call it UBI, then claim "it doesn't work"? Pay someone $120k per year, then tell me "it doesnt work"
>>534480911>niggers are irresponsible with money>"oh well, I guess that proves why YOU can't have UBI, shucks, goy!"
>>534481767I just finished the article and that's what it boils down to
>>53448172020k covers food, gas, and rent on its own. You're telling me a 20k pay raise is jack shit? A 20k pay raise for a gas station cashier is nothing?
>>534481720buddy UBI is likely one of several payments that dumb nigger rich whore was collecting. In case you don't know how this works they get>child care coverage>disability>food stamps>tax breaks>UBI on top of itI know several people irl who are doing this in canada and they clear 80k a year and they bitch and moan just about as much as you would expect. Bonus points if you're like 25%+ native american because then you literally get free college as much as you want until you're 30 and you also get free housing, as in you will be given a house for free. Guess who still ends up broke and fucked over whining for more gibs?
>>534481973I didn't even read it. I must be developing my kike narrative ultra instinct.
>>534481720Give money to people who doesn't produce anything to exchange for actual product and services. I'm sure this will work on a larger scale, and if it doesn't, it means we didn't cut the check large enough.
>>534481720Why only $120k a year you chud, we should pay them all $250k, no $600k a year!!!
Lost in the discussion about UBI is a very simple reality:The government issues the money. It doesn't need its own money unit from the population. It never needs to borrow. It spends its own money unit into existence.The government can, at any time, simply buy all of the unemployment within the economy.
>>534482722https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT1KoXayDNU
>>534481720it still doesn't work, you could pay a nigga $120,000,000,000 a year and they would just take it out in cash and burn it all in a bonfire, then demand even more money and go on a bank robbing spree anyway, just because they can
>>534482934nah. if you spent it fuck you, wait for next month. you get shot if you chimp out
>>534482722This. People still don't seem to get this at all. Money simply isn't real.
>>534480911Nothing works for niggers, we know this already.
>>534480911>20k a year Unironically not even enough too live off of in the poorest areas in America by a solid 10000 dollars
>>534481720The money isn't the issue, it's the cost of living.Limit rent to $500 per month and you fix 90% of people's money problems.
>>534482038Where? Brazil?
>>534480911My neighbors have four trash cans that are constantly overflowing with fast food refuse but can't seem to find $20 for a set of window blinds. Throwing money at the retarded doesn't fix their behavior.
>>534481720$120k isn't >Basic income
>giving niggers anything but a pair of flippers and telling them to swim back to wakandaRookie mistake
>>534481720No amount of money is going to help these people because they have no idea how to handle money beyond just immediately spending it, then wondering why they're scrambling to pay their rent at the end of the month.
>>534483166>$500Practically every landlord would burn down their properties for the insurance payout. A phenomenon otherwise known as Jewish lightning.>t. Landlord
>>534480911>random mother gets money and still needs to work>"this is why UBI is bad">...Kikes working overtime trying to make sure their goyim cattle stay goyim cattle
>>534480911>person on temporary UBI realizes its temporary in current world and chooses to adapt to that realityi doubt its 20k til the end of time, or am i mistaken
>>534480911>$20k to support 3 kidsYeah, this is why Elon says we need Universal High Income. He's smart.
>>534481720I can and have --recently-- lived off $20k/year.Renting an apartment with an unemployed wife and her dog.No welfare, doing seasonal landscaping.Americans are just soft like Charmin
Im guessing that UBI was meant to incentivise her to ditch the minimum wage job, unskill and get a better job and instead she just did nothing?
>>534481767Why would a responsible person benefit from UBI? A responsible person finished a good degree and has a well paid job or works long hours in a trade. They have loads of money.
>>534483347A very simple solution would be to pay unemployed, underemployed, unhappily employed people in the general economy to build their own housing as a government initiative.There really isn't any need whatsoever to keep interacting with existing landlords or their properties at all. We clearly have the raw materials to build more housing. We clearly have newer building techniques that can lower the skill threshold we need to train certain workers to. The government creates the money, so funding for this is never the issue. Despite the massive injection of cash, it would be clearly deflationary because of how many new assets it would create.Just drown landlords in supply.
>>534482038Just eat ice soup and bike to work after you kick up your cut to mr. nosenberg property management
Most black single mothers who live in apartments get UBI already in the form of rent assistance vouchers.
>>534480911obviously it doesn't. we've had gibs for decades, and the amount of people who just plan to collect it for life increases every single year.
>>534480911It only works for higher IQ people.For example.>Get 20k a year UBI.>Work a part time job to pay for bills and groceries.>Pocket the UBI and spend it only when needed "lets say I need a new PC or car part.">Suddenly have around 30k in savings in 2 years.>Use that as a downpayment on a car or keep going for a small home.But when you give it to low IQ people its more like.>get 20k UBI.>EY YO SPENT 40k ON JORDANS!>WHY I FUCKIN BROKE!
>>534483166>€500 a monthHow do I maintain the property with that? Why would I maintain the property with that? Will you fix your own toilets when they break?
>>534481720i'm living happily as a neet with a third of that amount AND i manage to save up money, you simply can't fix niggers.
>>534483511>pay unskilled people to do work that involves skills.Insanely inefficient.
>>534482722and then money loses its value and no one will be willing to exchange their goods for it anymore.they need to keep up the act that the money is actually backed up by labor, or else it's worthless and all their power evaporates in an instant
>>534480911Prisoners get free room and bored. A decent person who is introverted like me should be able to at least have the same.
>>534483486>works long hours in a trade. They have loads of money.Yeah, nah.$20k extra a year is the difference between me renting forever, or owning a house one day
>>534483689board*
>>534480911THE GOVERNMENT NEVER GIVES YOU ANYTHING BENEFICIAL FOR FREE!!NONE OF THE MEDICINE IS FREE FOR A REASON EXCEPT FOR THE COVID VACCINE WHICH WAS ACTUALLY POISON! "wow the govenrment just felt like giving me free money" is a retard trap that MILLIONS WILL FALL FOR. in reality, this will be integrating you into the beast system, they will keep you dependent on the government for life, they will require your real-world-face-ID to join up to their system, AND they will make it difficult to use the old dollar system. UBI will be deployed via some sort of crypto-coin they print out of thin air and they will likely offer to buy your cash/gold from you at a favorable rate so that it would be stupid to NOT join their new beast system. this is how it will end up working
ubi doesn't work because prices just go up. that's why i think we should ban all wage and labor laws and give everything to my jewish boss.
>>534483022sorry krautbro, that's not how Merkel guilt worksif he spends all his money it's because you didn't give him enough, even if he brags about setting it all on firereality doesn't matter to women
>>534483705 your trade?
>>534483166>>534483576owning homes/property is where the majority of middle-class wealth lies, and its technically "on paper" and only as worth as much as anybody is willing to pay for itbefore property prices go down, they will stay stable, and everything else will go down>watexactlyi hate it, too>you sold us out, boomersfor what
>>534483754If I could rely on someone to maintain thr property well and never ever bother me i would take €500 a month (tax free) its about what a landlord gets now but for way less work.
>>534483572
>>534483572>Use that as a downpayment on a car or keep going for a small home.When everyone has 2x their current income, house prices will go up 4x.
>>534482722The Jews and Good Goys at the Central and Commercial banks can certainly issue more currency but what they can't do is issue more workers, produce goods or provide non bank related services. Just printing money and giving it to anyone other than white men is how everything got so expensive. Including gas and groceries. But you know that. You are counting on Pleb greed and stupidity to make them beg for a government that has total control over everything.
>>534481720Alright Elon
>>534483576Yes? I pay 450 euros per month in rent and I repair everything myself, which is very little.One time the toilet kept flushing so I opened it up, put some duct tape on the thing and it worked properly again.I mean I could call in repairs but it would take weeks for them to show up so fuck that. Either way my building only charges 30 euros per month for repairs so I doubt you need much more than that. Not every renter is a mongoloid who thrashes everything every day.
>>534480911Lying did they pass this Law just for her only? or just screw with thing's on the Rent end or cost of living
>>534481720Lol 20k is plenty. Most people can live off it, but many are selfish and want to live rich even if they cant afford it. I live with 2 other people on an income of 25k
>>534483754>you sold us out, boomersthough, to be fair, that would require some conscious planning, haha, yes, yes
>>534483750auto technicianfor every $230 you spend on labor, I get $17
>>534483627That's why you just use crypto.
>$20,000I've never seen that much money in my life. Stupid bitch is wasteful or has 20 kids.
>>534480911>20k didn’t last someone’s entire life see UBI doesn’t work Kys
>>534483754I am currently selling an investment property. I gave landlording a go for a year. Rent is not where your money comes from. You get nothing from rent after tax and expenses. You would be better off selling the property and putting it into bonds. Where the money comes from for a landlord is that a bank will lend you money. With borrowed money, after multiple decades you sell the property and have been protected against inflation and have a lump sum. Since the property i own doesnt have a mortgage I was wasting my time. I can sell it now. There is no advantage to keeping it for 10 or 20 more years. The money made from rent is negligible. With this sum of money I can make a real investment. Put money into my pension, pay down the mortgage on my house and invest in ETFs. Real investments.The boomer generation were obsessed with property. Anyone doing it now is a sucker.
>>534483576Stop renting to third world brownoids.
>>534480911All UBI money should be given to israel, not filthy goys
>>534483921You also get to inhale asbestos powder from cheap Chinese brakes and heavy metals. What a bargain!!! Mechanics should make much more than 17. That's bullshit that service advisors and desk jockeys get paid more.
>>534483877So you are a welfare parasite and your landlord cannot raise rent. Your rent is so low he just ignores you and you are forced to fix things yourself. That was predictable. Soon many irish people will be in your situation. Our government has frozen rents.
>>534481720It's supposed to cover the basics, and then you supplement it with at least a part-time job to treat yourself and fund your interests.Since she's a single mother, my guess is she blew it on stupid shit like designer products or expensive holidays.
>>534483921Why not get a job in McDonald's for the big pay increase?
>>534480911$20,000 isn’t life changing. I spent $45,000 in March alone and don’t feel better or worse. Money moves quickly.
>>534484159You don't have social housing in your country?
>>534482934Wat de nig doin?
>Business Insider first spoke with Harper in the summer of 2024. At the time, the single mom of three had begun teaching full time and felt stable enough to quit her part-time retail gigs. Now, she's back to working multiple jobs — but she said life feels much more stable.>"Before basic income, I was pretty much homeless," Harper said in April. "I was able to get a new apartment, substitute teach, and pay my rent because I had that extra income. Later, it led me to get a bigger apartment, and land an even better job.">Previous to the program, she had been cobbling together several retail gigs to make ends meet. Her packed schedule and intense hours were hard on the family.>"I've never had it where I could just go home to my own kids, pick them up from practice," she told Business Insider in 2024. "They all play sports, and I could never leave work to go to a game."i fucking hate OP and his lies, and i fucking hate the journalists who choose those lying fucking headlines
>>534484030I have. I didnt understand what was really involved. The only payday is when you eventually sell. Since I dont have a mortgage my pay day can be today and I can reinvest in somethjng much more lucrative without having to deal with tenants.
>>534483166The cheaper things are, the more undesirable flood in
>>534480911you give a ooga booga nigger 20k and its still a ooga booga nigger
>>534483291>Niiiiigggeerr. Good job. He’s a niiiiggggeeerrr. Nigger. Niiiggggeeerrr. Nigger.I jacked off to a video of her saying daddy over and over
>>534483627Why would people not be willing to exchange their goods for the money? You're not making any sense at all. The entire reason why the money has value is because 1) you need it to pay taxes and 2) there is a demonstrated need for a common currency.I am describing how the system already works. This is not new thinking. This is how it works -- whether people who pine for the gold standard like it or not.>>534483625>inefficientHuh? How so? More inefficient than people not working, not creating assets? Very, very strange thinking that doesn't make any sense at all. But you're a landlord, so that's par for the course.
>>534483853That's true -- you can't create more real resources without work and cultivation! Very good observation!It's good then that we have theoretically unlimited money to use as a tool to organize resources, isn't it?
>>534482038>20k covers food, gas, and rent on its ownLMFAO, where the fuck do you live where 20k covers all that. You a jeet with a vpn?
>>534484268The irish government pays some or all of people's rents now if you are unemployed or on low wages. Of course this isnt actually enough money to rent. An incentive for people to work and seek more money while still suppressing wages. Of course some people wont work anyway. So effectively there is a lottery for them to get free homes. Tends to go to single mothers. Then there are people who earn enough to rent but the government have introduced a permanent rent freeze. The incentive is to build. New builds can charge what they like.so its a huge mess. Anything new will have the highest possible rents. If you are poor you face waiting a long time to find a home. If you can buy its expensive but okay.
>>534484424Im not a landlord. Landlords do lots of work for low pay. Im selling. Im going to get lots of money for no work then reinvest in something not completely retarded. What kind of moron would do all this work for only the promise of money decades from now when there are much better investments that promise even more money, decades from now? Pension for example.
>>534480911You're never getting UBI anyway. Do you think the Republicunts will pass UBI? They dont want anybody getting any gibs whatsoever. They want to the elderly work forever or pay to be euthanized.
>>534484537>Of course this isnt actually enough money to rent. An incentive for people to work and seek more money while still suppressing wages.It actually sounds like it is a handout to private landlords. The private sector won't and can't create enough demand on its own (precisely because of the profit incentive that requires the elimination of external costs like labor), so the captured government steps in so make sure the private landlord still keeps getting paid.The government could just as easily run the housing itself.
UBI is gay but replacing all or virtually all welfare with Negative Income Tax is based and cost-effectiveFor example, here it is shown as cost-positive in the UKhttps://martin-farley.medium.com/how-a-negative-income-tax-could-more-effectively-deliver-a-basic-income-ec6e14d24c22
>>534484669The irish governments wants it both ways. They pay the rent but decide what that is, they want private landlords to maintain the property and the government takes 52% of the rental income.
>>534484669If they ran it themselves they would be answerable to why housing sucks and is unavailable. The horrible landlords (who are quiting) are to blame of course.
>>534483534>average rent in the US. Nigger try 'average rent in a 10 mile radius of where this bitch cashes her checks. Idiot.
>>534484644>talks about UBI>fails to understand retirement isn't going to be around either by the time you'd get old enough to apply for it
>>534484127If I could start over Id be a plumber like my grandpa. I dont have spare time and energy to reskill at this point.Oh well. If I stick around a couple years and get the next certification level, I'll be flagging $22/hr instead of 17. I dont know if I can make it though, you have to do a lot of shady stuff to compete with your peers in this industry and not be let go. Doing honest, high quality work for a smaller paycheck is not an option. Its flag a lot of hours or gtfo
>>534484508I live in th most expensive city in the US and 20k would cover a studio and gas for a year for sure a white man would take that 20k and turn it into an 80-150k a year job over a yearsome negress takes it and spends it on takis or whatever the fuck they spend money on then cries it doesn't work
>>534481720Poverty is a lifestyle more than it is an economic condition.
>>534484227I am really considering it. Just worried about being replaced by a kiosk and then having an irrelevant mcjob polluting my resume and me being unemployable in the future. But maybe I should try anyway
>>534485185Go door to door offering to wash windows. You would get €50 an hour here.
>>534485185Make sandwiches on the side of the road. Be a taxi driver. Wait tables. Lmao you are lying about $17 for a mechanic or you are a sucker working for someone else. Open your own shop and start by just changing oil and filters for cheap.
>>534484508>rice and beans diet, meat is a treat>live in crack den in low cost of living town>find job close to home to save gaswhen you are poor but not on welfare you have to plan your life like this
>>534485229Can I sleep on your couch until I save enough for my own place in your country?
>>534480911It would only be feasible if AGI is achieved and puts the economy on autopilot.
>>534485307>Be a taxi driverDid that, lost money on gas because too many people dont tip or dont pay at all>a sucker working for someone else.correct>Open your own shop and start by just changing oil and filters for cheapwould you bring your car to my crack den apartment for an oil change? if not, will you give me a loan to buy a garage?
>>534484389Ok I require this video
>>534485105>a white man would take that 20k and turn it into an 80-150k a year job over a yearI could liquidate some assets and have around $20k cash right now. How do I trade in that $20k for an $80k/yr salary? I will quit my current job today if you give a real answer.
>>534485847I always bring my car to a mechanic who works in a lane way behind some houses. No you cant sleep on my couch.
>>534484280killing a tree just because he can
>>534481720You kidding me? Give me 20k/year and I'm suddenly building generational wealth. The issue isn't the amount of money, it's the complete retardation of the common person. Most people will grow to their budget. Pay them 20k, they spend 20k. On stupid shit. Like luxury goods and pleasure spending. Pay them 200k and they do the same thing. The number doesn't matter.
>>534486847>Most people"Most people" only became a problem like this when the country wasn't >85% White anymore.
>>534487254White boomers traded your inheritance for retirement cruises, RVs, etcDont give me shit about how they earned it, my boomer grandparents inherited their houses from my great grandparents. And they inherited their careers through nepotism.
You guys know we already have a massive welfare state, right? People openly talk about selling their food stamps. NGO groups get hundreds of milliions to fix homelessness and never fix anything.DOGE was actually a great idea on paper. The execution just faultered, in part because people were obstructing it so strongly. We're talking about billions of dollars. Full of waste. AI really is taking jobs. And it's moving faster than most people realize. Amazon can trim drastically as they implement more automation and robots. Fast food is going to touch screens, apps, and ai at the drive thru.We will need UBI if we reach a certain level of unemployment. Also, to my point, we're already spending big.. we just need to optimize the money. Get creative even. Put people to work..
>>534485991He's telling a half-finished story.You can convert $20k into a $80k/yr self-owned business, but a lot of people do that and aren't making that amount of money or more.The outcome is a potential, not a guarantee.
>>534480911The same media that brought you safe and effective vaccines, social distancing, wars for Israel:"UBI is bad!"
>>534487254No, my parents are white as can be and are exactly like this, some people are just fucking retards
>>534482038my rent is 24k a year.
>>534480911typical policy illiterate OPfrist off, 20k isn't high enough to constitute UBI if the person isn't working, in the exception of a case where housing costs are negligble. Secondly, one of the foremost benefits of UBI is that it doesn't provide marginal disincentive to work near a qualification threshold. In other words, labor is actually encouraged relative to the current set of entitlements in most places. You fundamentally misunderstood this and tried to gloat, but you made yourself look like a retard instead. You may have made a coherent point against pro-UBI people who are similarly confused and retarded, but that's not something noteworthy.
>>534482038underage detected
>>534480911>Now, she's back to working multiple jobs — but she said life feels much more stable.>"Before basic income, I was pretty much homeless," Harper said in April. "I was able to get a new apartment, substitute teach, and pay my rent because I had that extra income. Later, it led me to get a bigger apartment, and land an even better job."The article is saying that UBI has been good for her but OP and the headline are trying to paint UBI as bad
You've never been truly poor if you think 20k a year is impossible to live on. I don't think it's a fair wage, obviously, but I've made less money and survived.
>>534490538impossible, no. "universal basic"? also no
>>534483397>>534482038Tell me where apartments rent for $550/mo...>dog... 400/mo?Larping jeet fuckfaces.
>>534483337Keep blaming the victims, calling it a moral failing while BlackStone rapes you from behind the veil.
>>534489909>bro just rely on the government>no bro they wont eventually turn on you and use your ubi to force you into things you dont agree with>no bro of course the miggers will get it too>what do you mean the value of money just tankedI swear you people are the biggest tards
>>534482038Boomers live in another world because they pay less for everything. Outside of government assistance programs, I don't even qualify for car insurance anymore in California with no record of traffic fines
>received $850 a month for two years >hurr why did UBI not workThat kind of sum could be enough to live in Romania, but surely not in the US.So give me 850 bucks per month in Romania and I'll be fine.
>>534483754>>534483915>you sold us out, boomersYou fell for Peter Peterson's (BlackStone) multidecade intergenerational psyop.https://youtu.be/7Szfj5VC8_UPathetic.
>>534490870>noooooo employers simply can’t pay people a living wage, they are just smol beans and won’t be able to afford a third house and a second yacht
>>534480911They did a full on UBI experiment in a Canadian northern town years and years ago but you’ve never heard of it because it failed so miserably that they shelved it so you would think it had never been tried before on a communal scale.
>>534480911So lazy niggers are just..gasp...lazy?
>>534491102Lol anon you realise that ubi is just neo-welfare. Youre shilling a welfare state to own employers. If you were truly concerned youd rid the political system of people who prop up employers not paying a living wage but that would require effort which most people only want to pretend that theyre onboard with. Genuinely its like normies supporting foreign wars, its not they believe in the war, its that they can support something seem like they care while never having to do anything. This is what ubi is "oh the government will sort it out" which if you belive you are a woman or a child
>>534480911>be poor>keep having kids you can't afford with zero consequences
we need guaranteed work and training programs, not UBI. or both. $100/month for essential basics and a guaranteed job for more
>>534480911>giving free money to single mom sheboonsEquivalent to putting money through a shredder.
The problem is not giving people moneyThe problem is money becoming worthless
>>534488333I hope you end up broke and homeless, chuddie. That sort of pain will straighten you out good.>>534491360>$100/month for essential basicsBrown skin detected. $100 won't even buy the groceries.
>>534491360Why not just reduce government size relative to private sector? so people pay $100 less in inflationary tax? Then government wouldn't need to tax you $200 to give you $100
>>534491514Hence, guaranteed work.
>>534491667Sure, in fact, I would support repealing all taxes paid by private citizens, except for a temporary levy to set up the guaranteed work and training program.
>>534491172"They did an experiment and it failed" is the UBI spin version of "We did a study that shows vaccines are safe".Remember, up to the point of current taxation UBI is just a tax cut.If the govt gave you a tax break equal to what you currently pay in taxes, you'd probably be ecstatic. If it's called "UBI" you sperg out because you've been programmed to respond to words that way.>>534491360Work is obsolete. The need for full time employment was defeated about a century ago. Instead of giving people the money for free, you want to pay them to dig holes and fill them back in.
>>534492089Resources have to come from somewhere. If we give everyone free money, who is growing food and building houses?Also, may I have the source of your image? Looks intriguing
>>534491743I once told a Leidos manager on an Army contract to fuck off because he wasn't my boss and I didn't work for him because I was on a different contract. The army warrant ACTUALLY in charge was just like okay y'all should handle this in the parking lot (but I would have stomped his ass to death so).Later he (Leidos fag) got fired.Fuck you Todd.End blog.
>>534492089>work is obsoleteOk so you dont eat food, use electricity, use transport ect.
>>534480911Wasnt the argument about UBI that people wouldn't want to work? Which is it kike
UBI will be instituted but it will be meager and won’t provide much of a life
>>534492089Your stance is only valid if water, energy, land, food, and all raw materials are held and allocated for the public good. And it also assumes that people and businesses have zero utility to realize from consuming services and finished goods that can't be produced without human labor. At best, you're a few decades ahead of time on a practical basis and completely delusional on a resource ownership basis
>>534492369>>534492543They come from automation and efficient technology. Does society have to expend the same number of man hours to dig a hole in 2026 as they did in 1900? UBI is your cut of the robot's paycheck.It's insane that people can believe that "robots and AI are going to cause unemployment" but simultaneously not understand that technology eliminates the need for work.
>>534482205Don't feed the animals. They only keep multiplying beyond their natural carrying capacity and destroy the environment if you do.
>>534492656My stance is valid now at it was valid around a century ago when that quote in my pic was expressed. The current "economy" is about creating fake work to keep the plebs occupied, IN SPITE of demand having been met long ago.
>>534492755I meant, the fulltext of your image. Is it a book? An article?Anyway, I agree with you in principle, I'm just saying, pragmatically, SOMEONE has to put in SOME AMOUNT of work to build the robots, maintain the robots...And anyway, I don't own the robots. You don't either. Whoever owns the robots must agree to give away the robots' production.
>>534492895You're incorrect. As long as resources are scarce and allocated via markets, then people need to provide labor. You have babby tier understanding of production and dissemination of goods and services.
>>534480911checkedfor all intents and purposes, we already have UBI over IN GERMANY!if you pay vermin to do nothing, you attract more "nothing doing "vermin, simple as
>>534483511You misunderstand how goddamn stupid many poor people, like truly poor people with nothing but debt and no verifiable skills are. Life is a test, that throws countless of opportunities your way. If you're bottom of the barrel in this real life test, you will *probably* fail again. That's not to say there aren't some decent people trapped. But any dumb retarded Nigger can get some degree and contract himself out, yet they do not.
>>534481493seriously?
>>534492920Organization Theory A Libertarian Perspectivehttps://www.academia.edu/1119013/Organization_Theory_A_Libertarian_Perspective>>534493020Migration should be stopped, but that's a separate issue. You might as well argue that "we shouldn't build prosperous societies because they will attract vermin".
>>534481767All employim are created as equal
>>534480911What does she expect? Universal Basic Gibs for $80k a year? You would have to ultrapoorfag to live off of $850 a month.
>>534483370>Thomas Paine advocated for extremely high land ownership taxes>"that's basically saying he wants UBI"Do neets really?
>>534493214>Organization Theory A Libertarian PerspectiveThank you kindly, anon.>>534493214I think the real problem is, we can talk about it all we want, and it's enjoyable to do that, but perhaps none of us can actually implement these changes...
>>534491266true, UBI is a compromise
>>534493214Kek this nigger thinks he is not getting the short end of the stick
>>534492755There's a deeper underlying problem anon. It's paying worthless eaters a cut of what the robots produce so that it guarantees that they breed like rats and the people that design and build robots do not.
>>534480911Soldiers get a 20,000 bonus or more all the time when they sign up. It doesn't matter when even soldiers can't get a job outside the service, and they can't a lot of the time. Most of them have to land a contracting job after the service. This isn't how UBI works and you're probably going to regret in the next 4 years gradually that you posted this.
>>534492755And who builds and maintains the robots? Who organises the logistics? Is everyrhing automated? Are you retarded?
>>534493470Separate problem. UBI has nothing to do with CBDCs.>>534493556Again, this is a separate issue. We shouldn't be importing the 3rd world or giving them anything.
>>534493733Well, again, respectfully, it's not really a separate issue. To the robot-builders, you and I are also the 3rd world.
>>534493696Well if you'll probably always have some small amount of labor from people, but there won't be "enough" of that work to employ anywhere close to the whole population, even a population free of mass migrants. So a handful of people still have paychecks, but where does the rest come from? It has to come from UBI. Besides, if you're going to posit that that level of automation exists, you have to look at the problem from the other end: Where is the money to buy all the output of automation going to come from? Almost nobody can have a job, so it has to come from UBI.
>>534481720Poors deserve to be violently beaten to death, for refusing to work an honest job.
>>534493909>Where is the money to buy all the output of automation going to come from?industry will shift allocation to self-sufficiency/fulfillment for the robot owners, and the useless eaters will be killed?>>534493496
>>534483166Shitstain subhuman hands wrote this.
>>534493904Well you just take it by force obviously. Nobody sees this as problematic or surprising when it comes to free speech, firearms, not subjecting children to tranny surgery, and non-feudalism in general. Note what has happened at this point in your argument though: You've moved from arguing UBI isn't economically possible or efficacious to arguing that it's merely hard to implement because it has special interest opponents. UBI is valid, correct policy and should be implemented. Now we're just haggling about how. Think about it: why would "the robot owners" "the rich" etc. oppose UBI if it weren't a threat do them?
>>534493733UBI is gonna be CBDC’s check the IMF and BIS they allready figured it out the UBI is gonna be programmable money it will have an expiration date, it can only be spend on the perimeter your tokens are programmed in ie what food how much water where you can spend it etc, shit that will make the sovjet union bluss.
>>534482038doesnt even cover half my rent man
>>534494322They're going to try and implement CBDCs regardless.
>>534480911$20k is poverty tier income. You'd have to own a low tax dwelling and live off of around $300/week.Minimum income to live in an apartment is like $1400/week
>>534494105>You've moved from arguing UBI isn't economically possible or efficacious to arguing that it's merely hard to implement because it has special interest opponents.Yes. Well, kinda. I only proffered the idea of guaranteed work programs because I thought it would be more realistic to expect, but I suppose even that has the same problem of special interest opposition.>>534494105>why would "the robot owners" "the rich" etc. oppose UBI if it weren't a threat do them?>just take it by force obviously UBI could be compelling to... let's just call them RoboCorp for short... simply to discourage people from revolting/causing trouble. i.e. protection money. But if I were a wealthy, powerful, greedy person, why would I even leave that risk at all? Instead, I would engineer their deaths as subtly as possible... RoboCorp's goal isn't to sell products, it's to feel powerful and to exercise their will.
>>534494105nta but UBI comes with worst incentive that ever existed, you do realize that don't you?
>>534493733Again fix the rat problem before stocking the grain silo. This is 1488% a horse before the cart issue. The problem isn't even actually the rats (they functionally have no agency) It's the people that worm their way into power and prioritize their wellbeing over everyone else's at everyone else's expense. This shit only has a chance in hell of working if it's given to the actual working class and tied to a tax return. Somewhat paradoxically I do not see it as a good thing if it is not only available to those that have a job. An actual job, any job and it's got to have accountability. Otherwise you just created an even worse Minnesota daycare scam that will act like a dinner bell for the exact same "people". Otherwise it's just rebranding welfare and we already have that and it's fucking destroying us.
>>534484280Look at Haiti vs the Dominican Republic (same island)There's your answer.
>>534494322Hell yeah, someone else has heard of BIS. Everyone on pol whines about 'The Fed,' well, the Federal Reserve answers to BIS.
>>534494397UBI is the CBDC’s smarty pant the rationing they are gona do this year will be the beginning and Offcourse they will say it’s just for gas and it’s up to you to reject it or you might as well move to China
>>534480911>It doesn’t work.sure it does, you give people money and it works for them. The problem is the jews giving out the money want something in return.
>>534494587The central bank of central bankers anons take note
>>534480911To be fair 20k isn’t even enough to live off in bumfuck Mississippi kek
>>534491496what would you need money for, in post scarcity economycos thos is where we are going>you will live in goverment/ai pod>you get ubi credits for nothing>work? there are no work for meat units, go fish or be artist
>>534494105>why would "the robot owners" "the rich" etc. oppose UBI if it weren't a threat do them?where teh money come from? those moneys isn't the problem, they're digital shit, paper, irrelevant. it's what you get with them. at that point they don't need your money, or your weight. why should they give you their resources if you're not doing shit for them? they actually don't need you doing shit for them at that point, anything you could ever do they do it with robots, simpler, cheaper, better, faster. why should you get gibs? or live? what's the argument? or what? what you gonna do? stop working? rebel? vote some shit? lmao
>>534480911There is nothing wrong with getting UBI and working.
>>534481767>>534481973This is in general the reason why we can't have nice convenient things.
>>534480911>niggersOk moron, also 20k isn't shit
>>534494860>getting UBI and workingwhy not mix them together in higher pay for same work? makes no sense to implement a parallel system when you can distribute the money through work payment which already is a thing. wtf
>>534484013>Take out loans!>Then gamble with the money!no
>>534494860What jobs?
>>534483849>When everyone has 2x their current income, house prices will go up 4x.Nice lie considering home prices went up while min wage stayed the fucking same.also>use UBI to make 20k a year payments on the house.WOW!
>>534482934Why did God aka evolution create niggers? They must serve some kind of weird purpose?
>>534481720>>534482722Why don’t we have ubi as a trick to get women out of the workforce by saying it should only apply to women because the are the most oppressed or some shit
>>534494509>An actual job, any job and it's got to have accountability.Problem is there will never be enough of these to go around. As technology continues to grow, there will be fewer still.
>>534480911Where do we sign up to get the checks? Everyone is gonna want to know.
>>534491743I could live with an Employer of Last Resort, one which is like the WPA where you just have to show up and lean on your shovel all day (can't be fired except for crime or destruction). If an ELR worker does well, he moveswup pay ranks and gets more interesting tasks. Make base rate $25-$30/hr to price out the slumlord employers like Walmart (looking at you Breakroom); if a dumb faggot hates the government and would rather make $12/hr at the local shop then that's on the dumb faggot.
>>534494985Because fuck the central banks cyberpunk but with infinite rapefugees dystopia, and when you are in this system you can’t say no. Maybe china is more to your liking
>>534490870>no bro they wont eventually turn on you and use your ubi to force you into things you dont agree withim already forced into things i dont agree with by my governmentbut i also have to pay them for itfucking jewanons are very much pro gubernmint handouts, because a lot of them already collect neetbux and i would to if i could, instead of wagingfuck you
>>534481720Lazy faggot.
>>534495232Because your polish the union never left you still the same lompen proles
>>534492755>UBI is your cut of the robot's paycheck.Why would they pay you anything from the robot's paycheck? A cut of the money should go to the guy who owns the robot and the guys who build and maintain the robot. But none of it should go to you, since you just sat on your ass and weren't involved with the hole digging at all.>that technology eliminates the need for work.No, absolutely not. The hole still needed to be dug. Automation doesn't eliminate the need for work, it eliminates the need for humans to do the work. Automation eliminates the need for (You).It's insane that people think robots and AI are going to lead to UBI, when it is far more likely that the technology will lead to the mass extermination of unnecessary mouths to feed.
>>534493046This guy understands. 95% of poor people are poor for a reason, at least by the time they're 35 or 40.
>>534492755The anti-UBIists have one small little point: the machine owners are Machiavellian and already have the reigns of power. They will use those reigns to prevent themselves from being exposed to UBI taxation. Political violence will prevent that, but that is what Palantir and Flock are being built to prevent.
>>534480911... isn't that the desired result? The whole point of UBI is to provide bare basics without strings attached, so that the receiver can take low paying jobs without worrying about losing benefits
>>534495335Gradual population reduction with little sprints every now and then is what they are going for
>>534495304>NOOOOOO WHY DO YOU NOT LIKE SLAVING AWAY FOR YOUR OVERLORD>FUCKING PLEBIANS REEEEEEEEEfuck off jew
>>534495335>It's insane that people think robots and AI are going to lead to UBII tried to hint at it but mfs in this bread are dumb as fuckonce your work isn't required you gonna get culled you dipshits. there's no scenario where everyone is happy. humans and life in general isn't known for that. it cannot logically work out like that
>>534495399In other words we will need more Luigis, and the AI mafia are trying to foresee their appearances.
>>534490706I went to jail for drunken shenanigans and there wasa guy in there who had socked ~$100,000. Over the course of two months, his young wife spent it all. I ended up buying him instant coffee every week for the duration of my stay. People spend stupidly.
>>534495375I'll admit that I'm trapped. I don't think i'm stupid or indecent, but I have made some mistakes. And there's no real route out. Which is why I've been agreeing with UBI in theory but asserting the same as >>534495335>it is far more likely that the technology will lead to the mass extermination of unnecessary mouths to feed.I think I have value to provide, but I don't really have a clear way to show that anymore.
>>534481720the point of ubi isnt to take care of literally everything in your life, its a basic safety net, you still have to work bitch
>>534495335>insane that people think robots and AI are going to lead to UBI, when it is far more likely that the technology will lead to the mass extermination of unnecessary mouths to feed.In America, yes.Elon Musk will have his AI robots build him a palace on top of a mountain of human skulls.In Europe AI and robot owners will be taxed and that money will go to UBI for non-oligarch AI android overlords.
>>534495503The polack longs for his masters lease, not longs he NEEDS it, without the union he doesn’t know what to do. Kurwa many such cases
>>534495557that just justifies the culling though, from their perspective. quite literally. they can show your comment to themselves and naturally arrive at the conclusion that cattle must be culled before they get ideas. literally talking like that is what seals your fates
>>534494457Commie nigger you completely miss the fucking point. UBI is antithetical to the Flynn effect. This is a blood and soil problem. We all want luxury space communism, but in the fiction that it happened there's always a cataclysm that deleted the useless first. The "people" selling this know that too. You're arguing from the useful idiots perspective. You aren't going to be a card carrying member as much as you think you are. If you were you would have a seat at Davos. Some where in that thick fucking skull of yours you know that this only happens after the red terror.If you actually want it you know what has to happen beforehand. Stop the third world invasion. Expatriate as much of what's here as possible. Rout out the traitors in the government and corporate. Institute literally any kind of reasonable standard to qualify for it and the means to achieve be audited to that standard. Then test if the carrot works. If all the prerequisites are fulfilled UBI would likely not be necessary. But people like you want free shit. A man that doesn't work doesn't eat is for a fundamental reason. His name is Brian. He's my 52 year old fat POS cousin that still lives with his mom and hasn't had a job in 25 years and yes he's on the dole. It took him 20 years but he shitbagged his way into it.
>>534493470A true People's Currency would look like Monero. No KYC possible.
>>534495679No, it doesn't really matter either way. No one is going to voluntarily beg to be priced out of being able to live, and RoboCorp will want to eliminate the useless eaters one way or another anyway. That said, I think the most balanced view is my own. "It is what it is." I'm just trying to enjoy my time before I go. Maybe I should never have existed...
>>534481720UBI means "Basic income" it should cover the absolute minimum austerity maxxed living expenses. 20k is somewhat reasonable as long as you aren't in a major city
