>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofWhat does this text mean in the 14th amendment?In 1868 Jurisdiction meant more than simply being withing the "geographical limits" of the united states and subject to its laws as that would have applied to Native Americans who were explicitly excluded from Birthright Citizenship in the 14th amendment.So what does "subject to the jurisdiction" mean?Jurisdiction meant Allegiance which was separated into two groups in the 1860s and still is today, its an ancient concept that goes back all the way to the Greeks and the Code of Justinian and eventually Common Law>Natural Allegiance: An intrinsic obligation of loyalty to the sovereign from birth.>Local Allegiance: Owed in return for the protection provided by the sovereign during a sojourners stay.Jurisdiction means allegiance, and allegiance of an alien present in another country is determined by domicile and that precedent set by SCOTUS goes back to The Venus (1814), The Koszta Affair (1853), Elk v. Wilkins (1883), Fong Yue Ting (1893), Law Ow Bew (1892), and finally with Wong Kim Ark in 1898.
Wong Kim Arks parents were "Permanent Residents" who were "Domiciled" in San Francisco and held "Allegiance" to the United States of America when they gave birth to Wong Kim Ark. They were not Temporary Visa Holders/Sojourners/Workers, nor were they Illegal Migrants.To be protected under the 14th Amendment you need more than to be "subject to the laws of the united states" as was determined in Elk v. Wilkins (1884) where it was ruled that one must be "completely subject to the united states political jurisdiction" and "owing them (the united states) direct and immediate allegiance."This was later reaffirmed in 1898 with United Sates v. Wong Kim Ark in which the word "Domicile" was used 28 times, and the word "Allegiance" was used 114 times.What was the legal definition of "domicile" in 1898?>Domicile: Lawful presence with the intention to stay permanently. What was the legal definition of "Allegiance" in 1884?>Complete/Permanent/Natural Allegiance: an intrinsic obligation of loyalty to the government from birth.>Partial/Temporary/Local Allegiance: Owed in return for the protection provided by the sovereign during a sojourners stay.
>Sauer, who is the federal government’s lead attorney before the Supreme Court, argued that “reside,” which does appear in the citizenship clause (in terms of state citizenship), “means domicile in the Constitution.” For children to acquire U.S. citizenship at birth, the constitutional provision “presupposes domicile,” he told the justices. Though none of them openly embraced Sauer’s effort to read domicile into the 14th Amendment, none explicitly rejected his argument either.>Sauer claimed that domicile requires legal permission to live in a particular location, and that permission is dictated by immigration law. As he told the justices, domicile “is lawful presence with the intent to remain permanently.”>Whatever definition of domicile the justices accept, if they agree with the Trump administration that domicile is a required component of birthright citizenship’s constitutional analysis, they will need to then address whose domicile matters. No one disputes that domicile requires assessing where a person chooses to live, so it’s not surprising that they also agree that a child who is too young to decide where to live can’t form a domicile. Instead, a child’s domicile necessarily depends on a parent’s domicile.
Qrd? Being drafted and liking it is a legal obligation now due to this "Natural Allegiance"?
>>534502351lol k
>>534502351Sure.
>>534503446It's an outdated concept but that won't matter, though they could acknowledge the outdated-ness and still interperet intent specifically to get all these fucking subhumans out of god's land
>>534502351I doubt it but am still hopeful. It will not be 7-2 but it may pass by a hair. John Roberts is a fucking nigger.
>>534502351>would have applied to Native Americans who were explicitly excluded from Birthright Citizenship in the 14th amendmentso based
>>534502351Green card holders don't pledge any allegiance either. You dumb filthy migger.
>>534504078They owe allegiance simply by existing, anon. That is the core of the concept of allegiance and jurisdiction, it is an ancient concept that goes back to an age where most nations were ruled by kings and emperors. Temporary Allegiance of a sojourner is owed to the sovereign while within the limits of his realm regardless of if the sojourner makes an oath or not. If a legal sojourner stays within the realm and decides that they will stay permanently they are automatically granted the status of "domiciled" and their children are thus protected under the 14th amendment.A sojourner who has ILLEGALLY entered the realm is subject to removal and deportation the moment they are captured by the kings men and thus they are not capable of obtaining the legal status of "domicile". Thus they are not considered to be owing allegiance to the sovereign as their very first act upon entering the realm illegally was to violate the sovereignty of the nation state.
>>534502351this is too serious for 4chantry a registered forum
>>534504669Wrong, this is what 4chan is exactly for. Just because you let all the jeets and bots demoralize you doesn't mean it affects me one bit.I was born in the sea of piss, you are just visiting
>>534504617All people that entered the country before 1929 had no legal paperwork to enter.
>>534502351It should be 7-1
>>534504958Crossing the border LEGALLY through an AUTHORIZED CHECKPOINT granted you Permanent Resident Status until 1929 because immigration was handled much differently back then and being an illegal migrant who didn't speak the language, stole to survive, and generally acted as an outlaw was a death penalty offense the United States. Back then ALL immigration was handled at the border, they would do medical checkups, primitive background checks, inspect everything you owned, etc. etc. all AT THE BORDER; that would mean places like train stations, docks, and other checkpoints along the border in the 1860s - 1920s. That is when things changed in 1929 and the Permanent Residency Card system was created and immigration was overhauled significantly. Wong Kim Ark for example repeatedly mentions "Permanent Residency", "Domicile", and "Allegiance".
>>534505295>all immigration was handled at the border Can you provide any example of the paperwork they were issued? Also a lot of people came through the Mexican and Canadian borders and didn't go to any check points all they did was they went to some town hall and give any name to get land. And there were a bunch of states that joined the union much later meaning those who lived there never went through any immigration process.
>>534507158In the 1860s there was minimal paperwork because paper itself was expensive especially during the civil war itself. The most common form of documentation you might find in the 1860s was probably the passenger manifest which would have been handed over to US customs and immigration officials upon arrival at whatever port, train station, border town the passengers were let off in.1st and 2nd class passengers would have likely never been inspected in the 1860s as they would be assumed to have money to take care of themselves which is how they could afford 1st class on such a long journey in the first place. Those of the "steerage" class who would have gone across entire oceans in cramped accommodations in the "lower decks" were all inspected without exception because the states they were migrating to were worried they might carry diseases, or worse, become a ward of the state.
I wonder what kind of cope OP will shit out when it will be rejected 0-9?
HAPPENING! SCOTUS ANNOUNCES MAY 14TH THEY WILL RELEASE AN OPINION ON ONE OF THE PENDING CASES!WILL IT BE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP?
>>534502351Yall just gotta bend your ass and get fucked by epstein
>>534502351>Jurisdiction means allegianceNo contemporary legal dictionary defines jurisdiction as such and you know it.
>>534502351Trannies pulling out what little hair they had left. Based Trump. MAGA FOREVER.
>>534502351you're forgetting about the precedent of jewishdictionthat means whatever benefits jews is law, cuck
>>534510256>contemporaryChanging the definition to fit your ideology doesn't mean anything
