Unintelligent people are used to reading or hearing things they do not understand. It happens all the time. They do not think anything of it. And what I'm pretty sure they do is, they try to infer your overall intentions, and if they like it, they say "I agree with this!", and if they don't, they will say that what you are saying is a lie. They never point out they didn't understand or ask you to clarify. They will just say that you are lying.tl;dr: If you present a midwit with a simple argument that logically proves your point, but the argument takes mildly complicated (the bar for this is very low btw) logical sequencing, he will just think that you are lying.The reason I am saying this is because some high IQ people are unaware of how stupid normies are, and they think that normies are acting in bad faith, or not wanting to listen. That can be true, but it is often obvious that they just can't process your arguments and that's the root of why they think they're lies.
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You seem to think I care. Lol. Fucking midwit.
>>534509941they also just don't listen most of the time
>>534509941Are you young? This is a simple truth that I worked out at about 8, here, watch this, someone with at least moderate intelligence speking to a moron, listen as he tries to make the moron even understand his point, to no avail as he quickly realises the moron is exactly that, incapable of understanding a simple premise, incapable of empathic thinking, incapable of a hypothesis, it's why idiots are so tiresome if you bother with them, which is why smart people never do once they're free to ignore them completely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ClLiH9uKN4
>>534509941Seems like you have an example in mind that inspired this thread. What is it?
This is true. Differences in intelligence are a good explanation as to why some people just can’t understand things that seem as easy as 2 + 2 = 4 to some people. I remember a post months ago that gave an example of this. People with average and higher IQ were asked a question along the lines of, “If you didn’t eat breakfast or lunch, how would you be feeling at dinner time?” They pretty much all answered that they’d be really hungry, starving, etc. The same question was then asked to people in the 85-95 IQ range. The majority of them said things like, “I don’t understand the question” or “But I did eat breakfast and lunch today.” Basically, it just isn’t possible at their intellectual capacity to understand what’s being asked. It’s be like trying to run the latest vidya on a DOS machine from 1995. It isn’t going to work, not now, not ever.I think this is also seen in how so many niggers instinctively run from the police. They aren’t making an informed decision because their brain cannot compute an answer to questions like, “What situation will I be in in the next five minutes if I rush now?” They don’t fear consequences because they can’t even fathom them. Then a whole laundry list of excuses is made for why they ran. “He had a bad childhood. He’s never had a father figure in his life. He was high. The police were disrespectful. He was just scared.” In reality, he’s just retarded.
>>534509941motivated reasoning is a far bigger factor than iq in making people stupid. the problem with normies isn't iq, it's that they consciously or unconsciously judge a factual claim not on its merits but what they think other people think(social approval). there's plenty high iq normies
>>534510158Sometimes its bad faith, but some people are unaware of their actual limitations too.>>534510406>i knew this at 8!At 8, I'm pretty sure I also thought, "most people are idiots!" sometimes. What I am saying here is not the same, not for the same reasons, not proven or explained on the same depth.I'll watch the video.>>534510455No one in particular, I was just reading twitter, and they were arguing about housing prices. Some guys kept bringing up arguments regarding how prices work, scarcity etc, and the leftists just wouldn't get it, ever, no matter how hard they tried. And you could tell from their "counter arguments", they couldn't even process it. Kek.
>my mother will cry when she watches the news and see's misfortune and catastrophe happening in other countries but ignore the misfortune and catastrophes that happen in this country>"oh it's awful what happened in X country, were lucky we don't experience this here" >inform her that these things do, in fact, happen here >our people are murdered, our women are children are raped all the time.>ask her why the death of foreign people results in a stronger emotional response to the death of our own people>"that's not true anon... i... um... erm... uh... it's not the same" it is clear that midwits don't think about anything.
>>534510576>In reality, he’s just retardedkek
>>534510406Ai said I'm over 120 iq, and my cunt has an average iq of 90 or as low as 80. I don't even think I'm smart at all whatsoever, I'm a midwit in many regards.But interacting with people around me is soooo draining. It's hell. They want me to get a job but i rather be alone than with the monkeys telling me what to do.
>>534509941U lie!
>>534510770autist detected
>>534510793>and the leftists just wouldn't get it, everThat's more like religious frevor imo.There are genuinely otherwise smart people, who get blinded by religion. And by religion I also mean cultish political opinions too.
>>534511620thanks
>>534511693nah man, that's the thing. they legit can't process things.if you tell a midwit something like "if 100 people want 10 of something, the price will increase until only 10 out of them can afford it", he legit can't process it or understand why. it is incomprehensible to them.it is not religious fervor because then they would do mental gymnastics to justify it, i suppose, or find ways to spin it, but they would be able to process the argument, which they aren't. you can tell they did not process it. that's what i am trying to say, many people are oblivious to how stupid many others are.
>>534510770idk why some idiot called you autistic, this makes sense, the thing is, i think you're one of those who are unaware of and oblivious to the limitations of other people's reasoning abilities.sure, motivation matters. sure, wanting to understand matters. but all that aside, there's still actual limitations to their mental abilities, that's what i am trying to explain, most of the time that you think they're pretending to be stupid or acting in bad faith, they actually cant understand you, never will
>>534512092>then they would do mental gymnastics to justify it,Well maybe you can show those comments, but many pro-rapefugees shut their brains down when it comes to giving them free housing to the locals' detriment, because anything else would be literally Hitler.Sure there are lots of stupid people too, but i guarantee you that for some very smart people, maybe through childhood indoctrination, but rapefugees are a religion.
>>534511728Based
>>534509941youre lost when you try to debate normies, retard.work on your own business, make money, get your own and laugh at them instead.this is what youre supposed to do. dont come here being an idiot or incel.
youre not high iq when you try to teach a pig how to fly, retard.
>>534512542I mean, yeah, you're right.When the argument is just "muslims rape", of course they know what you're saying. That one is very straight forward. Sometimes they respond like "not all of them", "its because of their hard background", which is of course retarded, but those counter arguments show that they understand what is being said.I was talking more about economics, which is often the part of politics that requires complex arguments that many people can't process, though it can happen in other aspects.I don't have a good example right now, but sometimes those arguments are basically "prices would be lower if there were more options and more supply relative to demand" - response: "well if that's your excuse then why don't you guys lower prices now? why wait until there's more supply?" (i legit saw this one kek)>>534513043>>534513126What an imbecile. "Just make money! Work on your business! You're an idiot for caring about this!" even though I brought up a very valid point and something many people don't know. You're so useless for thinking that there's anything wrong with debating things that don't affect me. Don't respond to me again, go make money or something instead, if you respond to me then, according to yourself, you would be "teaching a pig how to fly", so don't.
>>534513621>those arguments are basically "prices would be lower if there were more options and more supply relative to demand" - response: "well if that's your excuse then why don't you guys lower prices now? why wait until there's more supply?" (i legit saw this one kek) Yeah those are definitely stupid people.I also read germanins comment, and he's right about us working on some business instead of rotting here... Debating retards...
>>534513621the picture perfect world in your head will always remain a dream and youre going to live in hell with me.the end.
>>534510406If you ever watch someone using the Socratic method on the public it is quite fucking sad. It's actually nearly identical to an adult speaking to a child, but the only difference is the adult has about 20,000 retarded pre-conceptions and has to be coddled and babied much much harder, and for far longer than a child before they will finally decide to actually disengage all their defense mechanisms and finally start listening to what the person is saying. Even then, it's like 50/50 a lot will just get hyper triggered like a post war vet who has ptsd and break down and revert back to the initial defence position causing the Socratic user to have to restart from the very beginning of the conversation. None of this is worth it imo unless you actually love the person you're trying to get through to, anything else is a gigantic waste of fucking time unless you're monetizing it or something.
>>534514276Could this also be the reason that couples where at least one is young, tend to work better?Adults in their 30s tend to have their opinions set in concrete on everything.
op is a liar
Who started saying midwit?
>>534510576Well yeah, that’s the thing that’s become a famous meme here, low-IQ people not being able to understand something as relatively simple to us as hypotheticals/conditional questions; however:>people in the 85-95 IQ range.Is a little overstated of a range, 95 IQ is close to average (by definition 100), and I’m sure most people with a 95 IQ can understand questions like that at least; the claimed range is 90 and below (as in this picture: >>534510030), that’s when they start struggling more and more with it, 80-85 pretty much guaranteed to struggle with it, and below 80 of course it gets worse and worse, approaching what’s regarded as outright intellectually disabled at 70 IQ and below (from mild to moderate to severe to profound mental retardation).
>>534509941This is depressingly legit, and as a real life ultra high IQ autist, I had to learn how to reorient my life around this as a teenager. Protips: >even if the logical arguments are actually correct and the reason that you became convinced, use emotional language ("because I care about x" or "x deserves better"), social referential language ("because the hot and successful people agree with me," or "are you saying millions of other people are crazy"), motivated reasoning ("because this is good for you"), or persuading with complements ("you're way too smart to think that," rarely works with men but often works with women)>best way to learn this is to unironically observe women, who do this shit intrinsically like how beavers build dams>yes, the life of an autist is a terrible inversion of imposter syndrome, where you know you have to be fake in order to talk to normies and hate yourself because you know that you are not being yourself
>>534510030the breakfast question is someone obstinately refusing to patronize another person's condescending dialectic, 20-questions style of argumentation, but not being articulate enough to communicate that. the subject of that question is irritated that the other person doesn't just fuck off and drop the matter("i already had breakfast"), but insists on continuing to talk to the subject like a moron, which the subject is able to understand just fine, but, again, isn't articulate enough to express to the questioner. the questioner either doesn't understand this, or merely resents the subject for refusing to play along with his style of communication, so the questioner dismisses the subject, incorrectly, as merely stupid.Asking a series of yes or no questions to manipulate the other person into feeling forced to accept a certain conclusion is condescending, it is assuming a position of superiority over the other person, and it's very easy to recognize, even to somone whose only recourse is to answer "fuck off, i already ate something this morning"The person who misunderstands the situation is the lawyer, who is perhaps angered that a person he looks down on has refused to play along with his style of conversation.the breakfast question meme reveals more about the lawyer, and his acolytes who post it, than someone who supposedly doesn't understand "conditional hypotheticals."
>>534513910Another thing theu do is think they are being subtle with doublespeak.The "experts" of it arent particularly good and when their 58IQ pets try to emulate them, it is excrutiating.
>>534513126>>534513043Eh, some people got mad because it’s a bit harshly put, but yeah this has a good point to it, in that you shouldn’t let too much arguing with fools online swallow your life up, and more productive things you could be doing day to day.However, if it’s in moderation, there could be some worth to intellectual debates online; including for the benefit of onlookers, outsiders reading the convo … even if the person you’re arguing with is just a normie, midwit, retard or whoever who just can’t see it, it can still redpill third-parties, including from noticing how retarded the person you’re debating is being.There’s some value to sharing good info and redpills online, again if you don’t be too much of a sperg about it. Like it or not, the Internet’s a big part of life nowadays.
>>534509941he midwit meme is real. It's why midwit Europeans are the way they are compared to lower IQ races or to actually high IQ Europeans. The reason for an apparent inherent susceptibility to ZOG propaganda found in a large subset of the European population is due to higher average IQ levels in Europeans compared to other races combined with social reinforcement through utter control of our information distribution channels (media, academia, etc.). Lower IQ races have much less issue with this kind of self-destructive ideology and propaganda. It works with Europeans because they have the intelligence-driven ability to double-think more so than certain other races. Double-think on that level requires a minimal level of intelligence in order to perform the necessary self-deception. Europeans can lie to themselves better and condition themselves to think within the bounds of the lies. They can withstand the cognitive dissonance better. It's literally the IQ/midwit meme graph. Smarter Euros know the deal, but their midwit brethren would ruin their lives if they spoke or lived the truth. Even the midwit Euros are generally aware they are engaging in self-deception, they just seek out others doing the same in order to socially reinforce the unnatural and illogical belief systems they follow so as to protect and preserve their social status collectively and individually.None of this would be a problem, however, if the higher IQ Europeans were in complete control of information dissemination and media. Unfortunately, we have the Cult of the Chosen in complete control of that, and so we get this result: Europeans engaging in self-deception based on GloboHomo propaganda based on their level of intelligence (lower intelligence to a point being resistant because they don't have the ability to self-deceive properly, middling intelligence being very susceptible to the propaganda, and higher IQ being resistant but for different reasons than the lower IQ).
>>534509941If you argue with boomers and you know your shit, just put money on the line. makes almost any boomer back out.
>>534509941This is probably the most midwit take I've read on 4chan today. Omedetou, anon.
>>534515373You seem like an intelligent person, but you seem to assume that everyone else is like you. Defiance in the manner that you described it is actually very high complexity, and empirically I have found most people incapable of that level of subtlety (but it certainly does exist). Compare:Defiance>understand the purpose of the questions before all of them are asked>understand the power relationship>recognize the form of questioning as a condescending abuse of the power relationship>choose to protest the power relationship by undermining the style of questioning itself>seamlessly present one's symbolic act in a manner indistinguishable from genuine lack of comprehensionvs.Stupidity>"But I already had breakfast"
>>534509941Over my long years of pointless internet arguments I've had the very hopeless realization that at least 1/3 of people cannot comprehend what another person is saying. I used to make make my point and they'd answer in single sentences disagreeing and stating their position, then I'd respond with a much longer counter argument, sometimes a wall of text showing step by step how I arrived to that conclusion and several pieces of evidence, and their response would be the exact same point they made earlier just worded differently, just a sentence of two. I stopped bothering years ago, best case scenario I make a short effort and quit if they respond like that the first time, the final word is overrated.Many people are just incapable of changing their minds and it's not just bad faith, they legit cannot comprehend a different point of view. Worse, to them you seem stupid, like you cannot comprehend their very simple single sentence argument. They approach everything like a fight to be won and winning means looking better than the other person, even when it comes to practical problems.
>>534509941you're one of them midwitted normies, more or less.
>>534510030but normie midwits turned this around as in >how would you feel if you didnt have breakfast this morningthat is followed with simple i ate my breakfast becasue they have no idea where you are going with this question out of the blue as a proof or retardation as in prisoners.one group of midwits thinks its outsmarted another and its was a thing for a while.Aboslutely not counting in the possibilty that asking prisoner about not having breakfast in prison would mean he was getting dicked in his cell or some other shit and no wonder he went primal on it.Shortly after witnessing that zoomer retardation i went and took IQ test at MesnaIQ 145im completely and utterly fucked
>>534509941no,what you say is true for retards, but not for midwitsactual midwits ARE>acting in bad faith, or not wanting to listenthey could process it all, but it requires more effort than they're willing to makeand for what? to put in question their world view, which is part of the ego they're encouraged to cherish by narcissistic jewsso they'll choose the least effort path: not because they can't reach other paths, but because it'd cost them double, through the effort of trying, and the self actualization it implies, which implies yet more effortswhich is far, far lower than being a niggerwits: a wasted potential is always worse than the lack of potential
>>534515973uneducated ghetto people understand power relationships. they grow up getting yelled at and hit for not understanding.>seamlessly present one's symbolic act in a manner indistinguishable from genuine lack of comprehensionneither seamless nor indistinguishable ; the intent of the person answering is clearly rejecting the lawyer's condescending way of speaking to him.
>>534515373He said he was a researcher, not a lawyer. So they probably asked some convicts who would want to answer some questions and they would get extra ramen rations or be exempt from cleaning duty for the day for doing it, so they were probably willing to play ball with the person asking questions.
>>534509941Are you confusing midwits with normie retards?The point of a midwit is he's just above average. Enough to infer shit here and there but not enough to understand something in the deepest sense and sprinkling it with too much ego to be humble about it.In the OP you just seemed to describe your average "but I did have breakfast" retard.
>>534517911that's not what a midwit is, you dimwit. gtfo here, go back to plebbit.
>>534517730>they
>>534509941>Unintelligent people are used to reading or hearing things they do not understand. It happens all the time.Hold on. Op, what do you mean by this?
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>>534510158It’s referred to as a bullshit filter. Maybe you’re just not as intelligent or even remotely interesting enough to listen to as you think yourself to be. Being a narcissistic twatwaffle doesn’t make you interesting or intelligent but it does make it easier to ignore you.
>>534515973>You seem like an intelligent personyeah, to a brainlet.
>>534515305giga IQ>>534515373so if you ask someone a series of yes or no questions to MANIPULATE the other person, to FORCE them to accept a certain conclusion, is condescending and means you look down on them?but why would the series of yes or no questions lead to the conclusion that we're BRUTALLY FORCING the victim to accept? could it be that we're logically right?
>>534510406I always kind of wondered but my “holy shit people are dumb” moment was after I watched Inception and everything I could find online was people confused by the plot. My guy, it’s linear, if there were things happening simultaneously on the different dream levels you might have a point but that’s not what’s going on
>>534510923I feel your pain, having people over you in a job that are lower IQ is painful as hell. I had my last job completely figured out in 2 months, all the problem people who needed to be fired in management and how I would restructure the company. Watching idiots destroy a company was grueling.
>>534510576>It’s be like trying to run the latest vidya on a DOS machine from 1995. It isn’t going to work, not now, not ever.did you try VLC? that shit can play anything bro.
>>534509941>but the argument takes mildly complicated (the bar for this is very low btw) logical sequencing, he will just think that you are lying.anon, i will flat out tell people the absolute truth, and they will think i'm lying, because they are mentally projecting that they lie, "like everyone else does"they will deny truth and facts straight to my face, because to them, ppl like me don't exist
>>534519923give an example
>>534519436if you can't outwit the dimwits you deserve what you fucking get
>>534510923>ai saidkekyou're an idiot. that is about IQ 30
>>534509941The issue is emotion. We have created an overwhelmingly cerebral society and never even mention the word emotion or feelings now. The reason you can't change idiots minds is because the truth is unpleasant and upsets them. They need to believe falsehoods to feel happy. If you take that away they'll go crazy.It's why you can't convince religious people that God's fake. It gives them feelings they need. Almost everyone operates on feelings and rationalise their thoughts after the fact. If we were able to make people feel safe no matter what was said we'd have that world of truth.Emotion based reasoning is the least researched Or talked about thing yet we all do it all the time.
>>534519086>giga IQtera IQ
>>534521080The powers that be would prefer people not understand rhetoric lest they recognize that it’s being used to manipulate them. Pathos, ethos, logos, same as it ever was.
>>534509941>I don't understand midwitteryOk. You're allowed to just say "I don't get it."In other words, no u.
>>534518472That's exactly what it means. You're retarded.
>>534521950kekON U, lil fag.although, i suspect it may be ESL but given the general trend of this board, you are just another plebbit scumbag who needs to erased from existence.
>>534522062Are you trying to prove you're 15 or what? Talk like a man you little faggot.
>>534509941You're lying!
>>534509941Very optimistic of you to think that lower IQ people are even interested in politics.Large majority of them just vote for whoever their relatives/friends/neighbours are voting for.
>>534509941it's far worse then any of that, take the biggest loon you can imagine like chris-chan for example there's thousands upon thousands of chris-chans, and their vote matters as much as yours.
if i told those chris-chans that sonic would vooooote for -insert candidate- they'd all fall over themselves to vooooote for him.
>>534522417he's indian. forgive him.
>>534513126Even Christfags said it best"Cast not pearls onto swine"
