The major points for politics in the west today1. No war but the class war. Pursuant to Lenin's outlined foreign policy. This includes supporting neither Russia nor Ukraine in their war, as both are fighting for capitalism.2. Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act. For states other than America, repeal any law prohibiting closed shops, which are part of the UK and European Union. This is vital for organizing laborQuestions always welcomeSister thread on the Communist Manifesto>>>/lit/25257296
>>534515732Explain what capitalism is and then explain how the system we live under, in America, is truly capitalism
>>534516010Capitalism is when wealth is used as capital in order to accumulate more capital over and over in continual expansion and on competition with other capitalCapitalists, those who use capital this way, rule America
>>534516375You're such a babyCapitalism is a set of nationwide, federally backed financial policies that ensure the existence of a free and open market, wherein, the producers of goods are forced to compete for the capital of the buyers of goods and not the other way around. Does that sound like what we have here in America?
>>534516605Capitalism is Marxist term you. What you're referring to is called laissez faire and it will never exist because capitalism must always outlaw unions from asking for closed shop in their contracts
>>534516605>>534516961Also I don't think you know what the term "capital" means. It doesn't just mean money or wealth, it means money or wealth used to make more money and wealth
>>534515732hello im a neet, and i live with my parents and post in /pol/ all day, how can marxism save me?
>>534517134>how can marxism save me?you pretend to work while they pretend to pay you while you all are going to shit
>>534517134Happenings are always welcomed by NEETs
>>534516961>>534517021You are just assigning definitions to terms you don't think I understand in an attempt to confuse me and ultimately make me give up arguing you. It's what you commies do because you are not genuine in your intentions. Again:Capitalism is a set of nationwide, federally backed financial policies that ensure the existence of a free and open market, wherein, the producers of goods are forced to compete for the capital of the buyers of goods and not the other way around.
>>534517433You made that definition up yourself. Capitalism is simply the practice of capital
>>534517504I did make it up, thank you, but it is correct. What the fuck does "the practice of capital" mean?
>>534517710Do you know what capital is?
>>534517747I do but go ahead and give your probably incorrect definition
>>534515732Glory to Marx, down with the ZOG
fuck off bot and starve yourself
>>534518003I already gave it>>534517021
>>534518048I hate yo break it to you but capitalism, not Marxism, is about turning everyone into a bot, a bot to consume, a bot to work, a bot to vote
>>534515732>>534516010>>534516605>>534516961>>534517433>>534518044>>534519096Stop making these fag threads
>>534520471>rejecting the Elon/Trump/Epstein class is FAG behaviorUpdate your software
what was hitlers problem
>>534515732Maximizing democracy = niggers, jeets, and chinks can control our lives because there's more of them than us.I'd rather have a white nationalist isolationist autocracy.
>>534520919What exactly are you talking about in my OP?
>>534521494Do I have to talk about something in your OP specifically you low-IQ autistic nigger? Can you not comprehend the implications of marxist globalism, or are you just trying to deflect?
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Assuming this thread, or any posters in it are legitimate, here's an actual reading list from a library server. Additionally, S4A on youtube has a good audio book intro series on "introduction to Marxist-Leninism" that will take at most a few hours and will give you a good grasp of the concepts**First read:**A Communist Confession of Faith by Engelshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/06/09.htmPrinciples of Communism by Engelshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm**Beginners:**The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism by Leninhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/mar/x01.htmOn Authority by Engelshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htmBlackshirts and Reds by Parentihttps://valleysunderground.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/blackshirts-and-reds-by-michael-parenti.pdfCommunist Manifesto (skip prefaces) https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/**Basics:**Anarchism or Socialism by Stalinhttps://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1906/12/x01.htmDialectical and Historical Materialism by Stalinhttps://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htmMarxism and the National Question by Stalinhttps://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm**After:**Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Engels https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htmFoundations of Leninism by Stalin https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/State and Revolution by Leninhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/Wage Labour and Capital by Marxhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/wage-labour-capital.pdfValue Price and Profit by Marxhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf
>>534522134( CONT. )**Advanced:**Dialectics of Nature by Engels https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1883/don/Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR by Stalinhttps://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/index.htmMaterialism and Empirio-Criticism by Leninhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/__Introductory textbooks to Marxism-Leninism:__**What is Marxism all about?** by World View Publishershttps://dn720004.ca.archive.org/0/items/combinepdf-1_202209/combinepdf%20(1)_text.pdf**What Is Marxism?** by Emile Burnshttps://www.redstarpublishers.org/BurnsMarxism.pdf**What Is Marxism-Leninism?** by Vladimir Buzuev & Vladimir Gorodnov https://archive.org/download/whatismarxismleninism/whatismarxismleninism.pdf**Basic Principles of Marxism-Leninism: A Primer** by Jose Maria Sisonhttps://foreignlanguages.press/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/S20-Basic-Principles-of-ML-9th-Printing.pdf**Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism** by O. V. Kuusinen et al.https://redstarpublishers.org/FundamentalsML.pdf**A Handbook of Marxism: a collection of extracts from the writings of Marx, Engels and the greatest of their followers** - edited by Emile Burnshttps://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.236896**On Socialism - Selections From Writings of Karl Marx, Frederick Engels, V.I. Lenin, J.V. Stalin & Mao Zedong** - edited by Irfan Habibhttps://libgen.vg/ads.php?md5=1345da06199e86ae845f1de542c688de**Reader's Guide to the Marxist Classics** by Maurice Cornforth (1952) https://www.bannedthought.net/Britain/ReadersGuideToMarxistClassics-1952.pdf
>>534517134it will be there for you when either your parents die or they kick you out of their house because you will be forced to work in order to live.
>>534521887just have more white babies and quit your bitching
>>534521887It means an end to the "reserve army of labor"
>>534522516>just have more white babiesOkay, still not gonna out number 2 billion jeets and 2 billion chinks, not to mention all the other niggers. How about we just don't have a global government?>>534522664>it's okay if jeets and niggers on a different continent control your life as long as they wear communist uniformsNah, fuck off.
>>534522750>How about we just don't have a global government?no one on the left is calling for that for this generation or even the next. they have a multi-generational vision. plenty of time for minorities to catch up. lenin defended the concept of self determination of nations. if there exists a white nation oppressed by zionism, then thats the argument i would make. but then on what territory would constitute the white nation? idk. jews dun fucked you up good
>>534517134Well for one thing class characterization comes from a general average of your mode of production. The nature by which Marxist-Leninism comes to conclusions about reality is it's own beast but essentially boils down to Hegel's unity of opposites derived instead from the Material world of which we are a direct product of (Dialectical Materialism).In this sense your condition can be understood as it relates to other things and resolved into understand through sythesis of contradictions in your life. The way you live no is ultimately by the will of another and thus limited in this capacity. The contradiction of what you wish to do and what your material limitations is a point of contention as an unresolved contradiction in your life. In DiaMat we understand that freedom comes in knowledge of one's necessities (if you do not know what you need you are forced to seek them out as they arise or driven to do them subconcsiously, just as planning ahead to buy groceries gives you more freedom on what to eat for dinner than what is in your fridge when you're hungry). Your ability to own a house, have a social existence, have an influence on society etc, is thus limited by your inability to comprehend your necessities which creates a learned helplessness as a false consciousness or obsfucation from material reality.The resolution to this will inevitably be getting a job at some point (as the forced proletarianization of society is an intrinsic component of capitalist contradictions) and thus recieve a wage to survive that you pay for the commodities offered by other capitalists. This then becomes a matter of the extraction of the surplus value of your labor which limits these things you seek to which the solution is organization, unionization, strikes, party organization, parrallel contrstuction of society within the state and eventual proletarian revolution and abolition of capitalism to make you TRULY an owner of your life, your job, your house etc.
>>534520576>Update your softwareBeing Based is not Software and Marx was a Jew.
This is now a Nigger Hate Thread.
>>534523096Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew.Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.The Jew has already emancipated himself in a Jewish way.“The Jew, who in Vienna, for example, is only tolerated, determines the fate of the whole Empire by his financial power. The Jew, who may have no rights in the smallest German state, decides the fate of Europe. While corporations and guilds refuse to admit Jews, or have not yet adopted a favorable attitude towards them, the audacity of industry mocks at the obstinacy of the material institutions.” (Bruno Bauer, The Jewish Question, p. 114)
>>534523305This is no isolated fact. The Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner, not only because he has acquired financial power, but also because, through him and also apart from him, money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews.Captain Hamilton, for example, reports:“The devout and politically free inhabitant of New England is a kind of Laocoön who makes not the least effort to escape from the serpents which are crushing him. Mammon is his idol which he adores not only with his lips but with the whole force of his body and mind. In his view the world is no more than a Stock Exchange, and he is convinced that he has no other destiny here below than to become richer than his neighbor. Trade has seized upon all his thoughts, and he has no other recreation than to exchange objects. When he travels he carries, so to speak, his goods and his counter on his back and talks only of interest and profit. If he loses sight of his own business for an instant it is only in order to pry into the business of his competitors.”Indeed, in North America, the practical domination of Judaism over the Christian world has achieved as its unambiguous and normal expression that the preaching of the Gospel itself and the Christian ministry have become articles of trade, and the bankrupt trader deals in the Gospel just as the Gospel preacher who has become rich goes in for business deals.
>>534523305Not reading any of that Faggot
>>534523335“The man who you see at the head of a respectable congregation began as a trader; his business having failed, he became a minister. The other began as a priest but as soon as he had some money at his disposal he left the pulpit to become a trader. In the eyes of very many people, the religious ministry is a veritable business career.” (Beaumont, op. cit., pp. 185,186)According to Bauer, it is“a fictitious state of affairs when in theory the Jew is deprived of political rights, whereas in practice he has immense power and exerts his political influence en gros, although it is curtailed en détail.” (Die Judenfrage, p. 114)The contradiction that exists between the practical political power of the Jew and his political rights is the contradiction between politics and the power of money in general. Although theoretically the former is superior to the latter, in actual fact politics has become the serf of financial power.>>534523337Why do you view ignorance as a virtue? Doesn't seem to me the product of a superior being: to live like an animal and not engage with concepts logically. If you are correct it should be easy to refute the words here.
>If you decide to celebrate the birth of your son by snorting so much drugs you turn into a vegetable and now your wife has to change your diaper as well as his.... ya might be Matt Christman!!!!
>>534515732bump
>>534522927>no one on the left is calling for that for this generation or even the nextPretty much all of them call for that and say white countries need to pay reparations and shit for le evil imperialism. Fuck off chink/jeet/whatever you are, you can take some 5.56 green tips as reparation.
Capitalism + UBI is the best way.
>>534523856imperialism doesnt seem to make white workers in usa any richer
>>534522750What is even this nonsense lol. Soviets chose their own representatives and councils
>>534524062UBI is just enough and intended to just be to make digital subscriptions a state welfare service, it isn't intended to cover rent and utilities
>>534515732I'm listening.
>>534524417>all the means for developing production turn into different ways to dominate and exploit the producer; these means deform the worker, making him into a partial human being, leaving him degraded, a mere appendage of the machine; they also destroy the substance of labor as they recast his work as torture; they alienate the worker from the intellectual powers needed for the labor process, doing so in proportion to the extent to which science is incorporated into that process as an independent power; and they make the circumstances in which the worker works more and more abnormal, subject him to a hateful, supremely petty despotism during the labor process, turn his lifetime into labor-time, and thrust his wife and children under the wheels of the juggernaut that is capital. But all the methods for producing surplus-value are also methods for bringing about accumulation, and every time accumulation increases, this is, at the same time, a means of further developing those very methods. It follows that however well or poorly a worker is paid, his situation becomes worse in proportion to capital’s accumulation. Finally, the law that always maintains the equilibrium between the relative surplus population (or industrial reserve army) and the extent and energy of accumulation welds the worker to capital more tightly than Hephaestus’s wedges bound Prometheus to the rock. This law requires an accumulation of misery that corresponds to the accumulation of capital. So the accumulation of wealth on one side of the capital relation is simultaneously the accumulation of misery, torturous labor, slavery, ignorance, brutality, and moral degradation on the opposite side, where we find the class whose own product is produced as capital.
>>534522365long day at the 7/11?>>534522941my only motivation to get a job is to do escortmaxxing i want to politically creampie inside a white pussy multiple times
>>534524671>From the standpoint of a higher socio-economic formation, the private property of particular individuals in the earth will appear just as absurd as the private property of one man in other men. Even an entire society, a nation, or all simultaneously existing societies taken together, are not the owners of the earth. They are simply its possessors, its beneficiaries, and have to bequeath it in an improved state to succeeding generations, as boni patres familias.>the tremendous power this gives landed property when it is combined together with industrial capital in the same hands enables capital practically to exclude workers engaged in a struggle over wages from the very earth itself as their habitat. One section of society here demands a tribute from the other for the very right to live on the earth, just as landed property in general involves the right of the proprietors to exploit the earth’s surface, the bowels of the earth, the air and thereby the maintenance and development of life. The rise in population, and the consequent growing need for housing, is not the only factor that necessarily increases the rent on buildings. So too does the development of fixed capital, which is either incorporated into the earth or strikes root in it, like all industrial buildings, railways, factories, docks, etc., which rest on it.
>>534524417If you're new to Marxism, google labor alienation
why does marxism seem to lead to communism for most? it seems counterproductive.
>>534524881Have you read the Communist Manifesto?
>>534524402marx would have wanted UBI if we're being real
>>534524931no, and it doesn't seem practical
>>534524949He would have wanted anything that diminishes the pressure unemployment puts on labor, but he would also why capitalists are pushing it: because they need to fatten their consumer cattle and will feed them just enough to so that
>>534524992You think being ruled by capitalists is more practical?
Why did commies start spamming gibs me dat generals starting may 1st?Why are they targeting 4chan /pol/?
>>534525058i think there exists a way to thread the needle; but insisting on marxist theory and communism is so counterproductive it might as well be COINTELPRO's doing
>>534525101you don't want commies on pol? why not?
>>534525145>In the United States, the CIA, through the Congress for Cultural Freedom, funded various intellectuals, cultural organizations and magazines affiliated with the New Left that championed anti-communist ideas and Western values.[7][8][9][10] >The New Left was a broad political movement that emerged from the counterculture of the 1960s and continued through the 1970s. It consisted of activists in the Western world who, in reaction to the era's liberal establishment, campaigned for freer lifestyles on a broad range of social issues such as feminism, gay rights, drug policy reforms, and gender relations.[1] The New Left differs from the traditional left in that it tended to acknowledge the struggle for various forms of social justice, whereas previous movements prioritized explicitly economic goals. Marxism is so strongly opposed because it is actually *right* and provides a comprehensive, academic theory and explanation for labor alienation which nothing else does
>>534525032Greedy people breaking the law and then greasing the palms of authorities is not le capitalism. Capitalism implies rules and consequences for breaking those rules. You have never experienced true capitalism only oligarchy
>>534525542You don't know what the term capital even means
>>534525212Because it’s jewish garbage that led to the deaths of tens of millions. It’s not surprising that they’re running an op with these threads.
>>534525608It means a financial asset >Stalling, engage with my question
>>534525542M—C—M' (Money --> Commodity --> More Money). That's the basics of capitalist circulation
I don't know Marx that well, but it seems to me he inherits from John Locke the idea of the mind at birth as a tabula rasa, or blank slate... his idea of The New Socialist Man seems to be wrongheaded as a result. I think he gets wrong the idea of a international, borderless future with people moving as freely as capital moves now. Maybe OP or another person with more understanding can comment on this. thanks
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>>534525818https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capital.aspHere>stop stallingStop engaging in special pleading
>>534526149How come you never discuss the central banks and the bankers who print the money?
>>534515732COMMUNISM IS THE WORST
>>534515732CAPITALISM IS THE BEST
>>534526737Because without stronger unions, labor will be on debt slavery regardless since they are the ones who have to pay for the debt of the loans their employers take. Do you think labor had it any better when banks could all print their own notes?
>>534526737Isn't it true that most "money printing" (I put in quotes cause it's digital, not actual printing) is done by commercial banks when they lend? Central banks support these commercial banks by buttressing their reserves if need be.
>>534526897Did you see my post here>>534526078would appreciate a response if you can. thanks
>>534526897Employees don’t take on the risk of the loan like the employer does.
>>534519096Oh, yeah? Tell me what “non capitalist” countries do???
>>534526078Read Mao's On Contradiction, which explains the major difference between Marxist and liberal conceptions of society. Mao says a liberal theory of society is basically Guns, Germs and Steel, that individuals and society are just billiard balls that behave according to the environment you put them in.
>>534527135No that's true but entrepeneur gambling is less and less risky the higher you get because losses are socialized>>534527163Seek to undo atomization
>>534527213Thanks for the recommendation.Don't you think that things like kinship bias make the idea of completely deracinated peoples freely moving around the world as they see fit unrealistic?
>>534527641Communism isn't about abolishing kinship. It is about sublating it. Capitalism however breaks down kinship, it constantly atomizes. The major issue with capitalism is this atomization and disconnection of the individual from hiscommunity
>>534528075but it does abolish the nation state, which means the completely free movement of people. Wouldn't that also put stress on communities where people wanted to move (with appealing geographies and/or architectures, etc)? Wouldn't there have to be some restrictions on the movement of people, and what entities would establish and enforce those restrictions if not the nation state?
>>534527284> Seek to undo atomizationAnd which country did that?
>>534528615A soviet is a body of workers in a community small enough that they all know each other. Each soviet elects a rep and those reps form the next largest soviet which selects reps for the next soviet up and so on. If you want to live or work within a particular soviet, you write an application to that soviet because ultimately you need them to approve both your employment and housing
>>534528630I believe the USSR was much more successful at it than most, many of their apartment complexes were filled with extended families. They were not always great apartments and typically had shared kitchens and bathrooms, but they were free and so were the utilities and they kept extended families together
>>534528921>poor were forced to live with other poors in shitty studio apts taken from other people to live like sardines>while rich government officials lived in mansions and could afford vehicles and driversLMAO. Your talking points are so old, that even gen z prolly are hearing it for the first time.
>>534528812That doesn't sound like completely free movement of people... So Mao was developing Marx, because this need for communism to have "specific characteristics" adhering to a "national form" were missing in Marx's analysis?
>>534529062In the USSR education was completely free including higher education and you could choose any career path if you showed talent in it. People who did unskilled and menial labor had humble living situations but they were free and they had free heating. I really doubt people with menial jobs in cities today could afford better lodgings, many cannot even afford that
>>534529184>le educationWhat “education” was that, shill?? Russian historical revisionism? LMAO. Where are those big brain Russians at right now?? Ah yes, Dugin, the biggest russian mind of the 20th century.
>>534529183It's freer. But it's not missing from Marx's analysis?"These measures will, of course, be different in different countries."-The Communist Manifesto
>>534529276They were the first state to put a man in space
>>534515732MARXISM is full retardLeader wins. Kills everyone suspected of anything. Brainwashes everyone. Kills anyone suspected of anything. Oh buy wow but so you say cool red color stuff and revolution against oppression
>>534529321>le space raceLMAO. Oooh I see, rockets are now important? You know Nazi Germany had a booming military industrial complex while the rest of the country was DYING in poverty too, you disingenuous shill? You gonna talk about “le gdp” for the USSR too????
>>534522030Based, came here for this kek
>>534529321In a way that made the guy hate himself and communism and sucked so bad it had to be kept secret they put the guy in a fucking bottle rocket and he crashed back down without any control over the thing and even lucked out be to alive
>>534529376If you consider that Russia was an agrarian land until the revolution and they went through WWI multiple revolutions the global depression and then WWII and then rebuilt and became a *global* superpower without the Marshall Plan and became the first country to put a man in space? It's significant
>>534515732Hey, fucking retard, how are you going to have a working class struggle with no working class? Have fun getting automated away, fucking IDIOT. The only jobs that will be offered to the subhumans in 10 years will be: sex work or entertainment. Whores and clowns, buddy, good fucking luck with that. Good luck trying to seize AI infrastructure when you're on ten different psych meds with your dick cut off.
>>534529297Am I seriously misinformed? My understanding is that the arrival of communism will usher in world without nation states, i.e. without borders...>The nationalities of the peoples who join together according to the principle of community will be just as much compelled by this union to merge with one another and thereby supersede themselves as the various differences between estates and classes disappear through the superseding of their basis — private property. -- Engels
>>534529471People have been saying this for a hundred years and still depend on humans to build all their machines that are supposed to replace humans.
>>534529419never mind i change my mind i hope we send all people to space like that
>>534529610I think the problem is that you are visualizing this in capitalism's terms, the complete abolition of anything but the individual. Whereas this is about the abolition of various nation states contending with each other and each nation becoming a sort of community of communities. Every land is made up of communities of people who know each other and are connected to each other. Those don't disappear because city states do. They just stop killing each other and imposing their will on each other and work for common goals
I get why you guys like Marxism. It's goals are noble, Marx had great critiques, but it is so autistic it just fucking sucks. I desperately want a solution to the capitalist problem but this aint it. It's too tunnel visioned, it doesn't work in practice because of it
>>534530298I get why you like these criticisms, they are often voiced by people who are alarmed by Marx's conclusions and have no better response, but we have just heard it too many times
>>534522134>>534522202This is appreciated, friend
>>534530571You assume i'm arguing in bad faith. But these are not talking points, it is my own conclusion. Marxists reduce everything to material conditions and overlook everything else. Yes, everything has a material factor, it's a physical world. But the overlooks are crippling to the conclusions it makes and the mindset of consequentialism and instrumentalism is just dishonest and exhausting to engage with. Because everything else that isn't the emancipation of the working class is a tool to achieve that. it's just so stupid
>>534531851When you throw out historical materialism, then the explanation for why brutal slavery was used by every civilization for thousands of years just comes down to they were bad until suddenly they said we shouldn't be bad anymore
