curious how the reformation and protestantism went from this to viewing jews as the chosen people and propping up an insane death cult prophecy.
>>534547152The jews that say that they are jews but are not, they are of the synagogue of deception, the university of magic and the hexagram is their symbol. Operation Grief, Battle of the Bulge all over again. Commie fuckers playing the subversion game getting passed the 50 yard line. Nothing is what it seems and much can be learned that is not taught.
>>534547515>commie fuckersyeah, about that. capitalism is another jewish scam you've been tricked into believing.
>>534547515so how are they guilty for the blood of jewsus
>>534547152When the Jews got expelled from Spain, many of them went to Amsterdam. There they created the modern corporation and banking system. They thoroughly integrated themselves into the Dutch "Reformed" Church and Calvinist circles. The Jews returned to England under the Calvanist Oliver Cromwell and have ruled the Anglo empire ever since.The primary vehicle through which Judiasm conquered Protestantism was Calvinism. Calvinist prosperity gospel worships greed, to the point of saying that being poor is a sign God hates you and you are going to hell.
>>534547152Man's self-righteousness is expressed by secular and religious moralism, the bible's entire pretext says that everyone being a sinner, means that having good morals doesn't save you, and since the law cannot save, you should be surpised to find religion and government doing precisely what Satan wants them to do, because Satan is trying to redefine himself ontologically as God. So naturally, God being very funny, named Michael as a rhetorical to the mere attempt of trying to imitate him. Its also very funny because you notice that it implies his foreknowledge doesn't cause Satan to try it, it merely implies that while God was contemplating it before, during and after it happened, he decided, to leave easter eggs all over the text. The easter egg for the thread OP is realizing that because it's by grace, you're essentially asking me why water is wet, religion has nothing to do with prophecy, Satan uses religion to associate himself with prophecy, because the entire point of israeli/evangelist theology is nothing more than an on-ramp for the false christ. Satan has always intended on pretending to be God, and he intended on using the knowledge of good and evil, to guilt trip man into building religion and government, so that they would eventually dialectically merge into a theocracy, and this is what he's hoping everyone falls for, because it follows the dominionistic interpretation of the text. All he's doing is redefining the context of the world, using man's ideas derived from an ego he developed as a result of knowing good and evil. And this includes all of his ideologies/philosophies/economics/cultures/religions and laws.They are all ontologically opposed to God by nature, and this is how satan gets his false peace, because he already speaks the same spiritual language of fallen man.
>>534547788Thomas Jefferson stated that Calvin's religion was demonism.
>>534547152Dispensationalism pushed an alternate interpretation of Scripture wherein Christ saving the world was not the goal, but a intermediary phase (dispensation) that serves a punishment to the jews, but which claims that the jews will 'once again' become the sole 'chosen' people, the only ones who matter, in the next 'dispensation'.This is a clearly false understanding of Scripture. Everything is fulfilled in Christ. The Old Testament all pointed to Christ. The physical lessons of Old were pointing to the Spiritual realities in Christ.As Hebrews 10 shows undeniably, the blood of goats and oxen never did anything, it never had the power to remove sins. It pointed forward to the blood of Jesus, which does have the power to cleanse us of sin. Dispensationalism is a heresy particularly common in the US due Scofield's annotated study bible being pushed by Rockefeller and Free Masonry into US seminaries, which then provided false and dangerous interpretations to the readers; who would go on to teach those lies from the pulpit.
>>534547601Why are you jeets like this?Mind your own business before the true God pours out His wrath on you
>>534547788This explains alot, Calvinist prosperity
>>534547152Martin Luther was a philosemite dicksucker who worker closely with Jews early on to break from the Church until he tried to convert them to his “new improved christianity” and they just laughed him out. By then he had already started a massive schism and the jews were bankrolling half of it.Then he had a butthurt rage and wrote this book.
>>534548991Calvin also was the first to approve of usury.
>>534547152His only problem with the Jews was they wouldn't worship HIS Jew, Rabbi Yeshua, and kept worshipping the older Jew stuff. He was pissed they rejected (in his eyes) their own messiah.
>>534548890Interesting, the Zoroastrians in Persia had a similar tale about demons being spawned from Ahriman having anal intercourse, I believe.
>>534547152jesuits, cyrus scofield and the dispensationalism deception.but its only foothold is the US for some reason. no other protestant nation cares about jews.
Because you believe the Catholic conflation of Protestantism and Non-denominationals. Protestants still maintained the liturgy and formalities of the Eucharist while shedding Papal authority and the Magisterium. What you see in America is the product of settlers taking their Bibles with them into small communes out in the middle of nowhere. In the absence of missionaries you got Baptist and Evangelical preachers simply trying to spread the Gospel and leaving small communes in their wake to interpret the Bible to the best of their ability.
>>534551507aka you get con artists starting mega churches and getting rich off of retards
>>534549593>a religious figure was primarily occupied with the religious affiliations of religious peopleShit, got any other wisdom to share with the audience?
>>534551802/pol/ wheels out ML and this book as some big gotcha against the jews, when he's just mad about jews worshipping the wrong jew, lol.
>>534547574Materialism is the scam. Communism and Capitalism are two systems organized around that false paradigm.
>>534551507>>534549028>>534548991>>534547788Just throwing out that these answers are propaganda and are just flat out wrong. The zionist nonsense stems solely from Dispensationalism.Lutherans kept the liturgical practices and blind view of sacraments being means of grace; Calvin was half way between and Zwingli was memorialist. All are foundational leaders in the Reformation.I hold to Zwinglian memorialism based on the fact that the other views are incoherent. The offering saved that saved was already given in Christ; it is not the eucharist. We do the eucharist in remembrance of Christ, as He commanded. It does not save us; it does not bestow grace; it remembers Christ's body and blood which are the offering which was acceptable to Christ. Its symbolic and is a physical show pointing to a Spiritual truth.So too with the water baptism. The water does not make you spiritually clean, it does not wash away your sin. Only the blood of Christ does. It is symbolic, meant to have us focus on the Spiritual reality that Christ's blood has saved and that we have been born again in repentance, turning away from our old sin-led lives. The water is just a symbol for ceremonali cleaning.Hebrews 10 outlines these things clearly. Give it a read. The sacraments are a celebrating and a remembering of the victories of Christ.
>>534547152>>534548755I think dispensationalism especially took off in the US because the foundation of the state of Israel was formed after ww2. suddenly there was this entity springing up in the middle east and it stuck with the scofield heresy and spread as something probable.
>>534548755It's actually not. There is nothing in the bible that even suggests jews lost their status and according to the NT jesus said himself that the old law will remain until the end of time, completely contradicting what was written in the pauline hebrews. There's no new covenant and there never will be. You'd know this if you actually studied OT but you rely on the pauline hebrews to justify a claim that was never made by the original apostles. They would consider the thought of the "old" covenant being faulty completely heretical and would reject you as they did paul. You worship a bastardized offshoot of judaism concocted by a charlatan and his followers. It's time to accept this.
>>534547574Marx did not like how kikes put being kikes before being communists.Just because he was irked by their kike behavior does not make him the good guy.Capitalism, for all its flaws, has worked out far better than communism ever has.There should be a Third Way, without the kike crony capitalism and without the filthy kike theater kids economics
>>534547152because you're retarded and didn't read into his entire life and him reneging on that pamphlet when he was older anyways it doesn't matter every single christgolem is a traitor to their ancestors and culture
>>534551995>Answers referencing the historical fact that Calvinists undid the expulsion of the Jews and placed them at the top of the usury/corporate pyramid are clearly flat out wrong because I believe some horseshit about the sacraments not having graceNigger, are you retarded?
>>534547788why were puritan americans the only non-poor high iq societies?
>>534552273>There's no new covenant and there never will bethe New Covenant was prophecied in the OT by God himself.Jeremiah 3131“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
>>534552273>There is nothing in the bible that even suggests jews lost their statusHave you ever read the Bible you stupid piece of shit?>Deut 28:15-19: However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you: You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country. Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed. The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.>Luke 20:9-16 Then began he to speak to the people this parable; A certain man planted a vineyard, and let it forth to husbandmen, and went into a far country for a long time. And at the season he sent a servant to the husbandmen, that they should give him of the fruit of the vineyard: but the husbandmen beat him, and sent him away empty. And again he sent another servant: and they beat him also, and entreated him shamefully, and sent him away empty. And again he sent a third: and they wounded him also, and cast him out. Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him. But when the husbandmen saw him, they reasoned among themselves, saying, This is the heir: come, let us kill him, that the inheritance may be ours. So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, AND SHALL GIVE THE VINEYARD TO OTHERS. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid
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>>534547152Worth noting that Martin Luther liked Jews originally and had to be exposed to them for years and years before he got to where he wanted to write that book.
>>534547152>protestantismDo you mean american evangelicals? You mentally ill faggot have nothing to do with european lutherans.
>>534553831Incorrect, this is a renewal of the original covenant, has nothing to do with replacing it. If you don't believe that then explain why the apostles all followed the old law even after jesus supposed death and resurrection. This talk of a new covenant is all bullshit.>>534554293>claims I'm stupid>literally provides support for my argumentWhat do you think "covenant" means, anon? It's literally a deal which becomes null when one party is in breach. That doesn't mean jews are forever cursed or replaced as his chosen as god literally gave them an out via forgiveness of sins through prayer, repentance and sacrifice. Dunno how you think it does when the same fucking thing applies to christians, you are in breach of the law and you repent. You aren't cast out. You're a dizzy retard who doesn't understand the basis of your own religion.
>>534547152I don’t think it did. Luther started as a philosemite and blamed Catholics for the problems between Christian’s and Jews. Jews helped him translate the Old Testament into German and create Protestantism. Later he had a falling out with them and turned on them.Protestantism like communism was a Jewish psyop from day 1. The Christian Zionist types are actually the ones doing Protestantism correctly. Also you should actually read Luther’s book. His criticism may surprise you. He argues that Judaism is a sexist and racist religion but Christianity is an antiracist and antisexist religion so they are incompatible. When jews pray they say “Thank God I was not born a goy or a woman” but when Christians pray we say “There is neither Jew nor Greek, nor male nor female, all are one in Christ Jesus”. He also bizarre blames Greeks and Italians for infecting the jews with racist and sexist ideas (the jews did not learn to be racist from God who is of course antisexist and antiracist but from being around Romans and Greek pagans).
>>534554620>In the United States, evangelicalism is a movement among Protestant Christians who believe in the necessity of being born again, emphasize the importance of evangelism, and affirm traditional Protestant teachings on the authority as well as the historicity of the Bible....>Protestants follow the theological tenets of the Protestant Reformation, a movement that began in the 16th century with the goal of reforming the Catholic Church from perceived errors, abuses, and discrepancies.[3][b] The Reformation began in the Holy Roman Empire[c] in 1517, when Martin Luther published his Ninety-five Theses as a reaction against abuses in the sale of indulgences by the Catholic Church, which purported to offer the remission of the temporal punishment of sins to their purchasers.read a book you shit stinking nigger beast.
>>534555142>then explain why the apostles all followed the old lawthe book of Acts proves this assertion wrong.
>>534547152«Citizens of Rome of all descriptions were subjected to the carnage – women were raped, hospice patients killed, and many prominent allies of the Imperial cause were not spared. Particular vehemence was displayed by the German Landsknechte, many of whom were Lutheran, towards the Catholic holy sites. Churches were ransacked, relics profaned, and sacred images destroyed. Parodies of Catholic rites were carried out; for example, a prostitute was dressed in priestly vestments and seated on the throne of Saint Peter to the cry of "Vivat Lutherus pontifex!", and animals were mockingly presented for communion. Violence towards clergy was pointed, with monks being castrated and nuns raped, along with a general targeting of priests for killing.»«In assessing the effects of the Sack of Rome, Martin Luther commented: "Christ reigns in such a way that the Emperor who persecutes Luther for the Pope is forced to destroy the Pope for Luther" (LW 49:169).» - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(1527)
>>534555469It absolutely does not. Only Paul makes the claim and it sent the original apostles into a fury which is why they had him go sacrifice an animal in front of 4 witnesses to prove that he was still a good jew. Paul is a con artist and he flat out admits it himself in his own letters.
>>534555573Acts 156 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13 After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,16 “‘After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it,17 that the remnant[b] of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18 known from of old.’19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, 20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. 21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
>>534553656The guy you're replying to has it completely backwards, oliver Cromwell the faggot traitor he is, was a puritan. The Americans were Calvinists who escaped England before, during and after the puritan uprise and their subsequent execution of King James's son.
>>534547152Fun fact the jews supported Luther and the spread of Protestantism despite Luthers antisemitic writings.https://youtu.be/oZZt8YbF0VI?si=SBKzq5LHLyG7T6Ps&t=2403
>>534555278If you're talking about evangelical zionists they really have no other branch of Christianity they reference to. They just listen to modern talmudic Jews and any person who gives them positive feedback for their insane views. American evangelicals don't even read the Bible because if they did they wouldn't be evangelicals.
>>534555740Yes, gentiles do not follow the law and that was what the entire argument was about, whether the gentiles should follow their laws or not. You are supporting my argument here. No one ever claimed otherwise, because the law is for jews. Jews have always believed that gentiles only need to follow the noahid laws to be in god's favor. This is not proof that the old law is obsolete.
>>534555995>noahid lawsdont exist. God didnt give Noah the law.>11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”>11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”>11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”by grace you are saved through faith, and that is not of your own so no one can boast.keeping laws wont save you, Jesus fulfilled the law of the prophets himself since he is God and only God can keep his law completely. thus the law was nailed to the cross for means of righteousness since Jesus was the only righteous person ever to walk the earth and it was finished.
>>534547152You mean the Official Church of Protestantism™? preaching Zionism, Liberalism, Love™ not Hate™? Why is it that people are so easily fooled by labels? None of those Zionist institutions have anything to do with the Word of God or the Reformation. Back in the days the single one uniting realization was that the Roman church is the whore of Babylon, and the pope is the son of perdition, that antichrist who sits in the temple of God (Christians) and shows himself that he is God. And it was about the open Bible, as prophesied in Revelation 10 through 11. All that is what Protestants understood, even today, like myself and many others, even here on this board. But somehow people treat "Protestantism" like it's a Catholic Church Part II. That is ridiculous, that misses the point of the Bible entirely, yet again. For some reason people are easily fooled by institutionalism and labels. Do you seriously think when the Scriptures where opened, that the deceivers and devils in this Roman world beast system just stay put in the Roman church? No, they invented a whole set of new ideas, many false institutions, humanist ideas, mythologies, "science", and also "Protestant" church institutions of course (Zionism). And now those harlot daughters of the mother of harlots are used as a strawman how bad "Protestantism" is, in order to gather people back into the Roman mother whore institutions yet again.I don't care what calls itself "Protestant", a Christian is based on the Bible, the word of God only. That is our measure, as Rev 11 describes. And everyone who is outside of this measure is considered outside the temple, like a heathen. And any "Protestant" church who does not BOLDLY state in ALL CAPS that the Papal Roman Church is MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, any "Protestant" church who does not state that is NOT a true Biblical Christian church after the Holy Spirit of God that caused the Reformation to happen.
>>534556186>don't existthis is the problem with christians. Completely unaware of the foundations of their own religion. As I said, your acts example only supports my argument. They were not arguing over whether or not the law stopped being applicable to jews since the messiah came. They were arguing what changed for gentiles since according to jews it is literally their job to lead the world to the god of abraham. So the debate then was always whether the gentiles adopt jewish laws or stick with the noahid laws. You provided the answer.
>>534547601Filthy heathen don't write or speak to white people ever again. Know your fucking place jam boy.
>>534556429please give me the chapter in the scriptures where God instructed Noah to write down the law.>according to jews it is literally their job to lead the world to the god of abrahamthen why dont you do your job and do the exact opposite.
>>534555278Protestantism did not start with Luther, Luther died a Catholic despite what some pope says.The Church had to cycle through like three popes in a few years to find one to excomunicate Luther, they could not burn him like Hus.
>>534556626It's part of the oral torah. You really should study judaism more closely if you are going to worship their messiah. Now please answer my question; if the "old" covenant is no longer applicable why did the original apostles (paul was never an apostle) follow the "old" law even after jesus had died and resurrected. It's a simple question and you don't want to answer it because it completely invalidates modern christianity.
>>534555894The German states supported Luther as a means to centralise power away from Rome. Shrimple geopolitics.These threads keep popping up and their is so much propaganda in them always.
>>534552273John 14:6
>>534556757>oral torahso it is not written and thus is not of God.>why did the original apostles (paul was never an apostle) follow the "old" law even after jesus had died and resurrecteddo you have a single source to back yourself up?I already gave you prove from the books of Acts where they discussed if gentiles should be circumcised and keep the law.the apostles Peter and James argued against gentiles having to follow the law. God saves by grace, not by law.
>>534547152The Scofield Reference Bible.
>>534556905It actually is written in the talmud. >I already told you that gentiles don't follow the law!Yes, and as I said that's a total non-sequiter and gentiles were never in history expected to follow the law. If there is a new covenant then it's news to the apostles since they remained observant jews until they died. Funny how that works. I guess jesus didn't tell the people he spent 3 years ministering with about it.
>>534557103>It actually is written in the talmud.into the trash it goes then since its satanic.> it's news to the apostles since they remained observant jews until they diedno, they were the first Christians. they didnt continue the sacrifices for sin that the old law requires.>doesnt provide source where the apostles followed the old lawconcession accepted.
>>534556872>The German states supported Lutherthe German Emperor sentences Luther to Vogelfrei, meaning the law doesnt apply to Luther. anybody could have killed Luther and not be punished at that point.
>>534556872Right and the Turkish Sultans subsided the Protestant princes. Protestantism is a scourge that destroyed Europe.
>>534557388And yet nobody did, Luther died peacefully in his home.What was the HRE to do Jerry? Rip off Rome like a bandaid? Actions speak truth more than words.
>>534557695>And yet nobody diddo you even know the history of how Luther came to translate the bible?his Lord made sure nobody got to kill him by kidnapping him.
>>534547152Modern jew worship is largely a modern phenomenon that really exploded during the 40's and 50's with the creation of the state of Israel. But it has roots in 1800's textual criticism and the publication of new bible versions, bible commentaries, etc. Early-modern cults such as Mormons also popularized this new age theology.
>>534548890There are pockets of christianity in india older than christianity in europe, anon.
>>534547152Here are a few topical pages from Werner Graul's 1937 book "Witches, Heretics, Saints." Finding no English translation, I used Google translate but it constantly choked on the Fraktur. So that's what all the edits are, me cleaning up the font-induced hallucinations
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>>534557777You are not a Deutschman.
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>>534547152The answer lies in the question. The judenswein cannot create, they can only subvert and destroy. All of their key golems, from christianity to protestantism to liberalism were White developments that were subverted and corrupted by the juden to serve their agenda.
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>>534547152unironically when martin luther saw how utterly retarded his fellow gentiles were he went insane and realized it was hopeless
>>534547152That book is so fucking hard to find and buy on the internet. Finally found a copy printed by a right-wing company.
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>>534555142>That doesn't mean jews are forever cursed or replaced as his chosen as god literally gave them an out via forgiveness of sins through prayer, repentance and sacrifice.Repenting means renouncing Judiaism and accepting Christ you stupid piece of shit.
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why are jeets and jews still allowed to post on here?
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>>534547152Protestantism isn't a real religion, it's just a way for midwits to feel religious while also being against Christ's church. (Church is, like, hard, man. Can't I just boogie-woogie on Sunday morning instead?)
>>534547601All people who reject Christ are guilty of murdering Christ.
>>534558156>all they could do is to ad hominem Lutherkekzero arguments against the actual reformation
>>534555743Are you stupid?
>>534558434whats hard about going to Church passively?studying the Word is the actual hard part that most christians in name only dont do. they just listen to others telling them what the scripture supposedly is about.
>>534558575>zero argumentsStefan, that's the intro, where the author lists the various labels applied to Luther by different groups. you didnt even make it to the analysis of the happenings before you surrendered to your urge to celebrate the "triumph" of your position. so tiresome
>>534559512I read all of them. there is nothing of substance against the reformation.>>534558218 even admits that the heretical acts of selling indulgences literally "holy business" was the cause for all of it.
>>534547152Luther was a raging philosemite his entire life, only in his final years did he come around to what the Catholic Church had been saying about jews for the last fifteen centuries. There is literally nothing Luther said about jews in this tract that the Catholic Church had not already been exhaustively polemicizing against, and to a far more venomous level than him. >inb4 Vatican IINo dogmatic or doctrinal changes were proclaimed by V2. The stance of the Church has softened through its being poisoned by the post-French Revolution secular humanist type morality as everyone else and needs to be corrected, but it still asserts that the Catholic Church /is/ Israel and the illegitimate political state of modern pissrael is an abomination.
