How did Western Europe get so great?I am having a neurosis over how Serbs behave and live. I never wanted to emigrate for many reasons, but I find myself increasingly angry that Serbs behave like rural cretins and if you do anything about it you'll get jailed and be the guilty one. You can only watch how they destroy the country and further degrade the society. I can do nothing less than do my job and not behave like them, but I can't change shit.So, how did the West get so great? How did people get to know self-responsibility and order?
>>534565391Also, I know the west has fallen already, but even in this fallen society in many or some countries, there is some order, and if you think it's bad, it is and you should complain, but from a point of view from someone "below" that level, it is still light years ahead of us.
>>534565391>am having a neurosis over how Serbs behave and livethat's because you're a beta cuck on his way to troon out, just admit it
>>534565391Absolutely OP geography. The smartest in the world will gravitate to the best places and defend them.
>>534565529I am not going to get into this debate. Some people just care less about their environment, some people notice less things, they mind less things, and they don't care as long as they get to jerk off.This state of the society is completely sickening to someone with a brain and a soul. You not minding the barbarianism of this country is simply a testament to your lack of intelligence and a soul.
Separated from the great steppe.Great steppe proved to be creating short lived but powerful empires that snowball into destroying almost everything it could reach. Pannonia, greece, china, poland, russia, india, all this wasnt far enough. Western europe was far enough.
Consciousness has levels regardless of ethnicity. It comes down to collectivism and holding back information.
>>534565751>>534565559I believe these are rational explanations, at least partly explaining it, but the question is, is there hope for the rest of us in future, for Serbia, I feel like there isn't. How is Poland doing.
Simple, it's because we balkan niggers are suffering from a profound state of stoicism where in our deluded mind , accepting everything for what it is , is the ultimate state of being. Romania is same thing
>>534565918Yet I was born here, I do not want to be a stranger in another's country, in the era of raising animosities especially. Shit sucks. At least I wasn't born in India, but Serbia might even become India soon. I don't think these people will be able to build and maintain the infrastructure necessary to support the society. They already kind of aren't.
>>534565800no, there is no hope for you. we were so great only because we defeated you. we are not great anymore because were infiltrated by the you government.
>>534565559our land was an uninhabitable swampy shithole that would've been half flooded today if it wasn't for our ancestors terraforming this land into the extremely fertile farmland that it is today
>>534565391>So, how did the West get so great?Thousands of years of passive aggressive german infighting over the most petty shit imaginable.
>>534565391Culture and shared interest of a homogenous high trust society that protects itself are the foundation of all success.
>>534565800>is there hope for the rest of us in future, for SerbiaAt the last minute the Jewish brothers will save you, and yes, you have hope.
>>534565751It's colder, so people can think analytically.But then, open, so overland trade and farming is possible in ways that wouldn't be seen in the Med.Then, it's near the nexus of civilization, the middle east, by way of Rome and Greece. So while it took a while to start, it wasn't gimped like the Americas, which have similarly good weather and space.And yeah, you need protection from nomads, but that isn't necessarily a geographical thing, since European people are mostly all descendents of steppe nomads anyway.
How is Italy not the west? We fathered the West. I am your daddy.
>>534566385Eh, I don't think Magyars, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Rusyns ruined my life. Perhaps the orientalism did, but I don't know if it's our orientalism, the Orthodox orientalism, the Turkish orientalism or all of those.
>>534566462>suicide drones "lost to iran"yeah, lost in its anus after exploding.
>>534566884You literally cannot find a map of "the West" on the internet. Scandinavia is not in it for some reason.Italy and Iberia, no offense, have to be excluded from the West, not for their lack of historical contribution at all, but for obvious reasons
>>534566986>You literally cannot find a map of "the West" on the internetI searched for this one for 10 minutes. Apperantly the West is sometimes just France and Belgium these days.
>>534566986Scandis have contributed almost nothing. Spain had one of the greatest empires the world has ever seen. Did you see what your countryman Novak said about Italy? He said Italy is the most important nation of all time with the most important people in the world.
>>534567103>Italy is the most important nation of all time with the most important people in the world.That would be China and Chinese people
>>534567312quietly, no.and try some humility next time.
>>534567103Italy is no doubt important but it's too regionally varied with the south being a complete shithole (you don't have to compare it with my country, it's still a lot richer), exporting Mafia culture to the US and while there are a lot of Italians like Marconi who contributed to good of humanity, but Italy has been giving too many mixed signals in the recent history.
>>534567312No lmao Chinese people are peripherial to history of the world.
>>534565391keep in mind these westerners will be the first to self-destruct from their 'greatness' . The rural serb will survive for another thousand of years, can't say the same about fr*nch and angl*s. I love everyone but this is the sad truth.
>>534567312China was barely influential outside it's own borders. All east asians are very isolationist
>>534567418Ancient Greece for example completely shaped the western European thought but can you really call modern Greece west. Again, nothing personal, Greeks love us, I like them, but we are trying to be objective here. Half sure the intelligent and concious Greeks would agree anyways.
its because western europe used to be a very homogenous very high trust society whereas the balkans are low trust because of all the wars and terror"the west has fallen" means it stopped being a high trust society at least between people. high trust only exists for business now. the people hate each other more than probably ever before
>>534567577Both Korea and Japan are not just heavily influenced by China, they practically adopted Chinese culture. If you read any of their literature prior to the XX century, you will see for yourself.
>>534567559>The rural serb will survive for another thousand of yearsI don't think so. How can a rural man defend himself against aircraft carriers, billions of Indians, Chinese, Africans, millions of Arabs, and what would he defend, his home and field? Civilisation is not about defense, it's about expansion on every plane, from literature, to science, to medicine, to territory, influence, a cockroach can outlive us all but we do not like cockroaches since survival is not a beuatiful thing in itself.
>>534567577>very isolationistthats why they cool tho
>>534567700You think negroes and arabs will know how to operate tanks and planes just to attack Serbia? lol . Worst case scenario chinks will invade europe and bring their totalitarian bug system state in here since nobody is able to defend this euroslop after commies destroyed it.
>>534567700>survival is not a beuatiful thing in itselfEven Serbs know this. Around 95% of our mythos is dying honourably for the sake of virtue. Yet for some reason this falls on deaf ears, despite the fact that you had to learn about it and recite it in school from memory even. But it doesn't matter.
>>534565450It's above you financially but below you spiritually. I pray you don't only see the west as greater because of its capital. Reducing humans to economic units is the first step in ensuring you have the same demise they do.
>>534565391Western Europe is the islands and the Land beneath it between the Rhine and the Pyrenees, to the south is Jews, to the east is hunns, to the north is fish pickling autistics who quite frankly are better left to their enrichment activities.
>>534567868It's not below me spiritually, many Serbs are angry, rowdy, there is constant honking in the cities, there is negligence among doctors (my grandpa died because of it, so much for the "troon out" part, many of the things are personal), generally, being a highly spiritual country means having a country where people are aware who are cohesive with their environment, and we are not that at all. Spirituality here is at most surface level and cultural. There are literally betting shops everywhere and there is still some smoke culture.
>>534568000By the way, I haven't mentioned money that much or at all in this thread. Money is not a personal issue or issue of this thread, I would rather have a poorer Serbia with more normal people than this garbage.Money is just our cope, we say we don't have money but over there where they have money they are also bad people. Because if people realised how bad we are and internalised it, it would destroy our entire insane victim complex.
>>534565391Geography.Huns attacked europe, hungary got fucked, magyars attacked europe, hungary got fucked, tatars attacked europe, hungary got fucked, turks attacked europe, hungary got fucked again, russia attacked europe, hungary got fucked yet again.Same goes for serbia, I guess.>>534565559True for a degree, but not everyone could choose to just move west. Also our countries had really good periods, there were multiple times, when germans came to live in hungary and not the other way around
>>534566084Because in Balkans there are 3 pillars that rule : strongest rules , shit flows downhill and fuck you got mineYou know I'm right, I know I'm right and all Romanian flags here know the same
>>534568285And we know we can't change it, Christ, Zoroaster and Buddha have hardly charged the world too, so it is false that you can alter your environment.
>>534568285>fuck you got minetrue but only because of communism,once the boomers die romania will turn into a 'nordic'esque country>shit rolls downhill true,it all starts in Bruxelles,paris and berlin> strongest rulesIsn't that everywhere just with a different threshold?
>>534565391Italy are included, if not for the Romans, for the renaissance, as are portugal and spain for their explorations to the new worldThey all had great periods.
>>534568120>when germans came to live in hungaryIt's mostly due to squalor and overpopulation back home as far as I know.I know that Armenians and Germans came to live in medieval Serbia. It's not necessarily a follow up that it was better here. 'Haps they were just paid.
>>534569252The map can change, but the question remains the same even if you change the map. Anyways as I said >>534566986>>534567065
>>534569252italy also has the second largest manufacturing sector in europe only after germany. italy is a highly developed country. idk why people skimp over that fact. definitely much better developed than the uk for example. italy just doesn't have one big city like france or england. it has milan, naples, rome, turin and palermo, all being big. and then tons of medium sized yet well connected, compact and developed cities like modena, padova, genova, bologna, bergamo, verona, venezia, firenze, brescia, trieste, bari, etc, etc
>>534568574LoL, good luck changing people who think living like niggers is a sign of power>>534568618This is funny cuz in order to be like Norway for example we would need to conduct several genocides and bayonet every non white in this country plus the gypsy and shitskin lovers ( which are way to much for anyone's liking )
>>534569287>GermansYeah anon, Germans also came in Transylvania and made it into a jewel but then they left and now it's a defunct relic of the past. At this point bring back the German nobility to rule us with an iron fist, much more simpler then trying to rule ourselves
>>534565391Great geography helps a lot as many people mention, but it isn’t everything. Views, principles, behavior also matter. Western thought and philosophy flourished here. Industry flourished. Agriculture flourished. They mastered maritime trade and formulated modern capitalism. Western Europe is liberal. Not in the libtardish way, although that is also prevalent there, but I mean liberal in the sense of being fundamentally western and modern.
>>534566462mazel tov, ustasa!
>>534565391Its mostly about quality education. Ive learned both in Romanian schools and in German schools and i can confidently say thats what makes the difference.https://youtu.be/_8i9AibTSE0
>>534565559Yeah, I'd say a good mix of Caucasian populations and geography. Plenty of forest and ocean. France seemingly began with the best post-Roman position (Frankish realms). Then surrounding areas developed their own strengths in time.>>534567103Sweden was almost an empire of fair political significance, due to some remarkable warrior kings. They had the misfortune of bumping into Russia. Italy has definitely been a cultural powerhouse, thoughbeit. A combination of German and Catholic influence also had its effect on some eastern places.
>>534565391I am having a neurosis over how Bulgarians behave and live. I never wanted to emigrate for many reasons, but I find myself increasingly angry that Bulgarians behave like rural cretins and if you do anything about it you'll get jailed and be the guilty one. You can only watch how they destroy the country and further degrade the society. I can do nothing less than do my job and not behave like them, but I can't change shit
>>534572886Same shit.
>>534565559so Albania, Croatia, southern Italy and France? I don't think your theory works
what a shit thread, you could've wallowed in self pity without involving anybody elseyou want to know why "da west" is so great? study geography, history, and human behavior under generational oppressionhere's a little pointer: being tucked in a safe corner and allowed to develop without your society being uprooted every couple of centuries is a really nice thing to haveadd literal continents of sparsely inhabited real estate within reach and zero competitors, and you get your superpowers
>>534573931It's kind of the opposite, because evolution is driven by necessity not idealism. So the easiest places in the world to survive in, like near India's massive rivers where you can harvest massive amounts of food throughout the whole year has the most subhuman kind of people. People who survived through the ice age, like Caucasians and east Asians, have the best future planning and complex problem solving capabilities
>>534574499nelupaj gluposti!zapad je imao vise ratova (izmedju sebe) nego balkan, da nepricamo da je srbija imala 500 godina mira pod turcima (do prvog srpskog ustanka)
>>534574499>what a shit thread, you could've wallowed in self pity without involving anybody elseYou should be grateful I have not resorted to the usual chimp violence like it is common here and I had a very justified reason to do it.I will leave. You guys can play a game of thinking we are a country and a real society without me. I hope some things that happened to me and even worse, never happen to you, because obviously if you walk with two eyes blindfolded and haven't got a family member killed by incompetence and heard of people getting infected left and right due to negligence then yeah you can be here and write 20 pages of cope of relativisation and conclude it is the same everywhere.Dog.
>>534575275And nobody said that's not the case, but I am not going to wait out my life here and be in this society while less gifted individuals figure out to not trash the streets, spit on the road and other relatively minimal insights. It's true that everything has a cause, and there's not some mysticism. if you guys figure out how to behave like humans then I'll return. Godspeed.
>>534574717prvo, nauci kada se ne pise spojeno a kada odvojenothe rest will be in english in case some foreigner wants to pitch infirst off, "the west" did not wage wars of total destruction or subjugation against itselfmost of western europe never faced anything like the arab, turkish, or mongol invasions. in fact the only part that did, which are spain and portugal, took centuries to reconquer and recover, and even today they have a marked difference in work ethic and overall mentality compared to the restnot all wars are the sameand the "500", which are actually 300 years of turkish occupation saw this region razed to the literal fucking ground dozens of times, people thrown into slavery, exploited and tortured in ways that would break the modern manall the while western europe could develop, increase literacy, come up with things like property and individual rights, while our individuals WERE propertyand that's the crux of the problem, people don't seem to understand that you do not make a high trust society out of slaves because slaves are for the most part locked in a survival, me first mentality. does the "I'll take what I can today, screw tomorrow" ring a bell? or "I'll dump trash wherever I want, it's not my backyard"?serbs began to recover from this and did a pretty good job, and had over a century of relatively stable development until communism happened, our most educated and worthy people got fucking executed and we're back to 1830s except our oppressor are other serbs and our children are raised on tv and influencer videos instead of epic poetry.>>534575275your mental state is your own responsibility and we're not your fucking babysittersyou asked why serbia's a shitshow, and got your answer>chimpoutdo it faggot, and take a few progressives with you if you're not a bitch
I'm a bit of a serbboo because I'm a huge Njegoš and Byzantine Christianity fan but is it really that bad in Vojvodina?If you had western salaries would it be bad?
>>534576070>and our children are raised on tv and influencer videos instead of epic poetry.Theres literally a thread on /lit/ right now about Serbian epic poetry and how it's more kino than globohomo. Thing is all of the West is way more globohomo than some Serbs using TikTok.
>>534565391>Germany>Ireland>Austria>Scotland>BelgiumTry harder, anon. This is obvious trolling.
>>534565391Codified consensus. Western Europe was a bloody meat grinder until codified consensus became a thing. Kings threw common people at each other and consumed excess resources instead of investing them in the future. The more Western Europe codified consensus (starting with councils, guilds, etc and then even more through parliaments, ending in democracy) the better things got. We are now moving away from these principles towards autocracy again. Politically, by various strongmen, but also by adopting a sort of corporative feudalism. And predictably, a small minority once more dominates resources and everything everywhere gets worse for anyone not belonging to that clique. It's an incredibly slow and difficult process, and it absolutely cannot be forced. The people need to want to govern, they need to want at their core to have a say in the future, and without that, you cannot have codified consensus.
>>534576070napoleon, hitler, endless wars for spanish succession, 30 years war, england was in constant war for 1000 years....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_of_succession_in_Europehttps://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-wars-2031197in fact we live in longest peace period in europe, man can say war made west developed!
>>534576070>years of turkish occupationwas time of no wars in Serbia, serbs lived in rural part and turks in towns, they had contact only once per year when was tax time (which serbs didn't want to pay)...serbs willingly gave kids to janissaries (for it was good carriere, if you doubt read history and look around self at serbs who sell their and their childrean future for few kg of sugar and sunflower oil)
>>534576070>your mental state is your own responsibility and we're not your fucking babysittersYou cannot babysit other people, that much is obvious, you can teach nothing to other people who are not ready to catch the ball you're throwing, as learning is an active process.Have you ever wondered why there is not another Christ, Zoroaster, Buddha, and has not been for a long time, it's because they figured out that most of you are unable to process and filter information presented right in front of you. I am not mentally ill, I just asked myself questions about why you decide to behave like you do, why you don't change your ways even when pointed out you're clearly in the wrong, why you throw garbage in the river I went to see, why are you unable to carry out your duty, uncomfortable questions in general to the psyche. The state might have been casually reached through those factors, but it cannot explain why you're currently having a mental processing power of a retard. I am the Nietzche of Serbs and I will expose this society fully until you can do nothing else except face the uncomfortable truth. You badmouthing failure of the progressives and the new thoughts to cling onto the obvious emptiness of your current reality just shows you're a bot.
>>534576774>until you can do nothing else except face the uncomfortable truthAnd everyone does. You need a sensitive and a caring brain to pick up on this, but the reason you can do nothing but perceive mental discomfort is because deep down there is something that reacts to the truth you decline.
>>534574499nah it's geneticsgermanics still weren't able to civilize the anglo celts for example (1000 years) and through mixing got worse behavior themselvesgermans built and behaved correctly, whether as franks in the west or as prussians in the east... no excusesthat being said, there are plenty of proper people in every country no doubt, so no offense to anyone
>>534576246because we lag in everything, faggotization of society included lolour poetry is nice and all, but it's useless if no one reads it>>534576487you have no idea what I'm talking about do you>>534576774could you please refrain from quoting me next time you post a comment in which you're talking to yourself, okay? thanks
>>534567868>american has no idea what he is talking aboutmany such cases
>>534565391>but I find myself increasingly angry that Serbs behave like rural cretins and if you do anything about it you'll get jailed and be the guilty oneNo you wont. Call the communal police and they will fine them.
>>534565391Serbia is low IQlow IQ = poverty
>>534577312Funny how IQ has very little to do with how you're doing economically when western powers decide that you can be a powerhouse or not. Yugoslavia was doing very well after WW2 and we even build our own military jets by ourselves and in cooperation with Romanians. As soon as they flushed us down the drain all of a sudden we all became "low IQ".
>>534565559This theory never worked in history. Best places were ruined by people moving.
>>534577447High IQ slovenian was 2 times richer than an average yugoslovenian so you are just proving my point and albanians kosovo lowest IQ were the poorest
>>534577742correlation between IQ and being rich is about 80%
