is this board marxist leninist or pro trotsky?
Mao > Stalin > Lenin > Trotsky
>>534570660
>>534570759explain why you think mao is bigger than stalin?
>>534570660Pro Tolstoy.
>>534570660I'm pro bash your thieving nigger faggot commie head in with a blunt object.
>>534570824>>534570824I think Mousey Dung was bigger than Lenin because he was a glutton who ate everything that moved.
>>534570824All Stalin had to do was continue running an already well-established power, his task was mainly preventing control from slipping out of his hands. Mao was a political genius - he both united and liberated China from foreign influence. A task of unthinkable magnitude. Today's China is largely his legacy, although his successors workshopped the economic part. The pure genius of Mao can not be overstated.
>>534570660I'm pro LudendorffKill communists
>>534570660the only good commie was ho chi mihn.
Tito gang rise up>>534571106>Had a mental breakdown when his wife's son died in the war he startedlook it up
>>534570660Let's just say i would hang Trotsky first and lenin second.
>>534571022If by mao you mean Deng Xiaoping then by all means you are right
>>534570660They're not mutually exclusive. Trotskyist eternal revolution is in no way anti-lrninist. It's anti-stalinst. Also, being a communist should be punishable by death.
>>534571022>All Stalin had to do was continue running an already well-established powerhow?there was many problems inside party and whole ussr. this why he had to do heavy handed purges to create his own group. many people was against stalin's collectivization. he stopped lenin era NEP policies. he had to fight for party leadership. in the overcome and elimanted both left and right opposition.
>>534571335Deng Xiaoping was great and his legacy is amazing too. But the challenges he had to face are dwarfed by those Mao had against him. Deng was a very talented governor, which is good when you already have a unified country that needs development. Mao was a genius, who was able to establish a foundaion for Deng to develop.
>>534571022Stalin stole power out from under the equivalent of a 4chan autist who only got his job because he was a Jew. Mao got power because he was a literal nobody living in the mountains like a hermit so the Japs didn't steamrole his power base. He was the only warlord left after Japan pulled out because of the US. They were both retardeds
>>534571488I mean to say that Stalin's main challenges came from wihin the already established system. He did not have to create a whole country from scratch. Mao had a different task ahead of him - somehow unify a country essentially split into dozens of regions and factions. Overcoming that and emerging victorous was nothing short of a miracle.
>>534571584Yeah but Mao also had a bit to much paranoia. Even Xi remembers his cultural revolution and how he saw his father being humiliated and family tormented due to Mao's Paranoia. In my opinion Deng was better as a leader then Mao.I also agree with the way Deng handled those CIA agents in 1989 in tinanman square.
>>534571719niggerred army created by trotsky. you cant deny his contribution in ussr. he was good commander despite having no prior experience in army. he defeated white army.
>>534571832Both armies were peasants fighting with farming tools and hunting shotguns. I read a story once that both forces saw each other, then dropped their weapons and ran away. They were nothing more than idiots mobs.
>>534571832>red army created by trotskyNo nigger, he didnt created shit. He took credit from others.Mikhail Tukhachevsky was way more important in the creation of the red army then Trotsky ever was
>>534571813cultural revolution was crazy>>534571759stalin will always be rank above mao for me. he defeated nazis and put red flag top of berlin. mao was unstable leader and in the end he shook hands with usa.
>>534571999>cultural revolution was crazyThat's a mild way of putting it
>>534571813I am in no way shitting on Deng here. Or endorsing the cultural revolution. Just saying they had fundamentally different tasks in front of them and Mao's objective was much more challenging. He singlehandedly ended a century of humiliation and restored a divided Empire. Like the dragon Liu Bang was.
>>534570660Here, in this place we take a massive shit on commies
>>534571985are you aware that russians fought in ww1? you are describing russian civil war like it was battle of primitive tribes fighting in jungles amazon... russians had artillery and machine guns, train guns, armored cars.
>>534572092If the US hadn't joined the war, his head would be sitting in a Japanese museum.
>>534572221>If the US hadn't joined the war,soviets would fuck up japan after they done their job in europe. you lost in korea and vietnam btw.
>>534572203It was maybe one step above tribal warfare in the Amazon. I certainly wouldn't call it well organized.
>>534570660>is this board marxist leninist or pro trotsky?I'm not Jewish.What's the difference?
>>534572308Japan was never in a position to conquer China anyway. They had been stuck in China for 4 years when US joined. It had been a failure of a war from the moment it started.
>>534572092Me neither, I'm just saying that in my opinion Mao fell a bit by the end of his rule. What I never understood to be fair is why not a lot of people aren't talking about Ho Chi Minh. That guy was one of the best leader of the 20st century yet non speak about him
>>534572308Maybe they would have, but not fast enough to stop the Japanese conquest of China. They would have needed to transport large numbers of materials across sibera. That would have crippled their fighting ability in Europe.
>>534571997trotsky was peoples commissar for war. he traveled constantly in his armored train to direct operations against white army.
>>534572102With what purpose?
>>534570660we're all pro tsar
>>534572356Should add the labor bunds and Alexander Parvus (born Israel Lazarevich Gelfand).
>>534570660Trotsky was a particular disgusting Jew. They're all disgusting, but Trotsky was just so Jewy. I enjoy the fact that his head was split open with an ice pick.
>>534572392I mean the whole war was literally due to their elites wanting to be seen as conquerors. Let's be frank anon , the Japanese were very servile people prior to 1945 and would do as requested by their superior without questioning. Look at whole Khalkhin Gol campaign. If Zhukov would have done the mistakes the Japanese commanders have done he would have ended up tortured by Beria not as "War Heroes" with a strategic mind unparalleled.
>>534572402Lets put it this way. Mao was a visionary. Deng was a manager. Both fit their positions perfectly and managed to accomplish a lot for the benefit of their people. Xi seems to be doing an amazing job as well. One of the few sane leaders on this globe today.
>>534572392It was like Russias war with Ukraine. Japan would have won eventually.
>>534570660I hate Muslims.
>>534571335What Deng did was achieve the Great Leap Forward that Mao failed at.Now Xi succeeds Deng and does not "return to Mao"/"de-liberalize", as some Western media frame it, but just keep working along the original "plan" in the post-GLF China.Mao -> Deng -> Xi is an unbroken continuum in total coherence.
>>534572425Anon. Do you really fall for like lies ? Go read about the red army and it's commanders. Trotsky was an oportunist who knew how to heavy hand his way into either stealing credit from others or/and gaining power
>>534572441To feed them, better than canibalism
communism only appeals to the weakest members of society. usually the youth. where they have no skin in the game. then you go to work for 10 years and start building up a good life, then some 16 year old faggot that read a communist manifest all of a sudden thinks whatever you offered society to any meaningful success in life is not valid, and then you start to understand why older people hated commie faggots. because its true, many people have come before you and worked really hard for a good life, and your weakness disgusts them, just as much it disgusts me, and its not even a conversation most people who have put in their hours at a bullshit job to have a good life are even willing to entertain.its easy to hate the rich, but do you have the courage to hate the poor? because the longer you play the game of life, you realize that you do have skin in the game, and you deserve what you got, and you dont care that the wage slave has to work at mcdonalds.
>>534572402>why not a lot of people aren't talking about Ho Chi Minbecause they cant demonize him like how they demonize mao and stalin and they wont praise him. hence he is forgotten in west.
>>534570660/chug/tranny, stay in your containment thread.
>>534572664"chinese characteristics" turned out to simply be market capitalism
>>534572620You are right here, I couldn't put it better. Thanks for proving your point anon>>534572816Why the fuck can't they prais him. He literally build a powerhouse from an ex colony. Vietnam is way more powerful then any African country and they both started from the bottom
>>534572789It's just a grift to get white people to hand their nations property and military to Jews.
>>534572885Pretty sure the Chinese characteristics are confuciousnism. IE there is still a strict social hierarchy (not that any commies actually managed to get rid of it anyways)
>>534572885>>534573012Chinese characteristics is some spoons of national socialism
>>534572601Japan's war was merely a futile endeavor to obtain colonies of their own in order to be perceived as an equal global player by the West, which Japanese religiously worshipped. They would go as far as completely destroying their own culture in order to become respected by Westerners and when that failed, they decided to go on a genocidal spree against the civilization that had given them everything and had never asked for anything in return. But ultimately, it had been a fool's errand from the get-go. No matter how many men they would sink into China, there was just no way they could conquer all of it, let alone control it like they had Korea. Even without the US involvement, war against China would have never succeeded. Japan eventually realized this and in impotent rage started massacring Chinese people because they were unwilling to submit. To this day Japan hates China because they were the first foreign power to defeat them and because today they managed to become what Japan had always wanted - an independent Asian superpower that can rival the West. Japan will never forgive China for their success.
>>534572924 >Why the fuck can't they prais him. same reason why they never apologized for bombing vietnam with chemical weapons which still kill people there. ho and his people humilated yankies pretty bad.
>>534573096Yeah this also but it was also masterminded by their elites who still wanted the glory and the conquest. Like during the Meiji restoration, the entire upperclass of Japan was nothing more then power hungery lunatics who loved acting like samurai of old. Even Tojo admitted the whole war was orchestrated y the Japanese elites and even try to coup Hirohito in 1945 for this.
>>534573096thank god japan's and south korea's populations dying fast and iran showed how hosting american bases in your country is a liability. lol
>>534573189Our relationship with Vietnam is pretty good these days. I don't think they hold any animosity twords us or we them. If we're both over it, then what are you so mad about?
>>534572928there is some humanity in the idea of sharing is caring. but how naive. i have been to work long enough to know plenty of people bullshit their way to a paycheck week in and week out. putting in the minimum and getting equal or sometimes more than you. how undeserving and selfish to think that we are all equal when i know damn well people will cowardly do a half assed job and expect equal pay.its like getting paired up in a group project in school. there is just teams that have their shit together and work well, then there are teams that have weak members but still manage a good result. then teams full of bad news bears. and maybe some people actually deserve the failures coming their way. i have been on both sides of the situation. sometimes the winning team, sometimes the losing team. but over time you just realize that if you dont care at all. people will leave you in the dust. like a crackhead wandering the streets sucking dick for the next hit.
>>534573189It's a dark remainder how effective US government propaganda is. If the Germans were doing a movie about how cool was bombing the Brits the whole world would cry Nazis but when the Americans do it they are based and trad freedom fighters. At least the Germans used normal bombs and not everything explicitly denied by the Geneva convention
can someone red pill me on Mao? How does he differ from Marx? what should I read by him? thanks
>>534573461>then what are you so mad about?https://youtu.be/kMzJvwG2rsQ
>>534573611I'm not watching your gay video chinaman
>>534570660I have never seem anyone open admit they are pro Trosky. What's wrong with trosky and why he is used like a slur?
>>534573713It's made by the Brits and even they condemned the US actions in Vietnam
>>534573363Actually no, as much as I hate Japanese elites and would like this to be the case, it was not. Japanese society was very much pro-war, even more so than the elites. To a certain degree the Japanese street and its jingoistic attitudes compelled the ruling class to start their wars. Average Japanese were hungry for war and blood, and the rulers had to act upon it. It was not an entirely slave-like society that imperial Japan is often portrayed as. Not to say that I am trying to excuse any of Tojo's or Hirohito's crimes, of course.
>>534573469>William Laws Calley Jr. was a United States Army officer and war criminal, convicted by court-martial of the murder of 22 unarmed South Vietnamese civilians in the My Lai massacre on March 16, 1968, during the Vietnam War. Calley was released to house arrest under orders by President Richard Nixon three days after his conviction.
>>534570660Marx > Ho Chi Minh > Lafargue > Lenin > Trotsky I can appreciate these guys for their place in history, but basically all other marxists are evil or misguided.
>>534573598marx: lets do revolution with proletariatmao: fuck that lets do revolution with peasant army
>>534572402When I deep dived Marxist stuff 2 years ago, that was something I noticed too: Ho Chi Minh was exceptional. Communism is still evil though.
>>534573821>Japanese society was very much pro-warThat's because their elites told them to be so. They used the Bushido code of Honor and what not to domesticate the Japanese into being the goyest of the got. If I still haven't convince you just look at Kamikaze pilots and banzai charges. Till 1945 the whole Japanese society was elites larping as conquering Samurais and everyone else trying to emulate them. Also look at the Japanese who were against the war and the Kempetai wasnt doing shit because the brainwash goy cattle was doing it for them.
>>534571022>kills all the sparrows because retarded >thirty million people dieYeah, real genius right there, you fucking idiot.
>>534573898Pretty much. Also let's not forget the landmines and traps that are still an active threat to life in Vietnam.>>534574139Minh was way to smart for the ghosting he is getting right now
>>534574265>real genius right there, you fucking idiot.what did you achieve in your life that come close to what mao did in his life?
>>534570759And all of you to a gas chamber
>>534574443I didn't kill 30 million people, you dumb thieving nigger shitskin.
>>534570660I’m pro Stalin, he is what every leader should aspire to be, turn a shithole into a superpower If India had a Stalin they’d have certainly been a superpower today and not have 1 billion people running around
trosky bcuz ofv sam hyde
>>534574534Let's not exagerate now anon
>>534574516im not an american and chinese people still love and respect mao. nobody will remember you after you are gone.
>>534574614You're a poor thieving sack of shit who will never have anything in this life and everyone will hate you for eternity, like Mao.
>>534574749you are seething pal
>>534570660stalinistML and Trotskyism are jewish shit
>>534571022>All Stalin had to do was continue running an already well-established powerlol no, the Leninist fantasy of global revolution had to be replaced with an actual workable empire, and Stalin did that. He also removed the international cosmopolitans from positions of power. Stalin was ruthless, but in an effective way. >The pure genius of Mao can not be overstated.he starved millions of his citizens because of his retarded bullshit. He as an illiterate peasant who didn't know shit about running a country, only running a guerilla campaign.
>>534574796Yes, I hate you thieving commie sacks of shit with a burning passion.
>>534574796>Seething Anon you are talking with an agitator right now in case you haven't noticed . He won't argue with you but will attack you
>>534570660/pol/ is Stalinist
>>534574164Their elites sort of feared a revolt at several points during the first half of the XX century. They were striking a delicate balance between jingoism and industrialization, which was not very easy to maintain. An average Japanese was also very much dissatisfied with the outcome of the Russo-Japanese war, from which they did no gain anything tangible. But I suppose a lot of it came from the rulers of Japan pushing the narrative of grandeur and trying to emulate European empires’ colonial policies. Essentially Japanese decided to murder their own kin in order to placate the West. Let history judge them.On a sidenote, I really should study Ho Chi Minh more. I am ashamed of knowing so little about him.
>>534570660Hitler
>>534574946What do you want to argue about, memeflag shitskin? What is there to argue? All commies are thieves and they deserve death. How can you even argue against that?
>>534574614you should switch your flag to commie, nafo troon
>>534574896>He as an illiterate peasantmao was not illiterate >>534574946yeah fucking amerigolems>>534574952baZed>>534575025sHitler died like a rat in his bunker.
>>534574965Yes you should, that guy was a genius and knew how to fight his battles step by step. I really don't get why he isn't talk about more by anyone. Also the Japanese elites also feared losing their power and influence to the Americans since we all know who made them open to the world. They saw what the Brits did in China and feared that if they appeared weak then they are next.I really don't get /Pol/ fascination with Japan. Yeah it looks great and everything but the society itself is as corrupt and ruthless as the Koreans. They literally had to put laws into effect to stop higher ranking people from treating their workers as niggers in the Confederate South. Also the degeneracy can not be overstated about the Japanese
>>534575160what? nafo troons are biggest anti communist and anti russia trolls online.
>>534575206No,no,no this isn't a normal American. Look how rabid he went against China and everyone talking about the atrocities committed in Vietnam by them. This is Elgin at it's fines anonHere is your proof : >>534575046
>>534575206Retarded kiketroon with outdated ideologies. Kill yourself.
>>534571022how much organization do you really think <>china<> needs, at any given point?there has never been a period in its history, never, when it wasn't trying to agglomerate into the next edition of its syndicated imperial blob form.
>>534575284ML and Trotskyists evolved into modern globalism, its same shit under different brand, nafo trooms are ideological trotskyistsboth are toxic human eating ideologies that help jews to ruin societies with false promises, the end goal is to steal, loot and run away with money
>>534575302No, I'm a business owner here in America who is tired of worthless thieving sacks of shit like your shitskin ass taking from me. You have no right to take from people practicing free trade because you are too ignorant and shitty to create value yourself. You are the evil that cannot create, only destroy.>shitskin commie memeflaggot calling anyone a shillLol, you laughably retarded pathetic thieving nigger.
>>534575302we have american online defence forces here?>Kill yourself.sorry im not cuck with tiny balls like your fascist daddy sHitler
>>534575678do you know how many tons of gold marxists have stolen from ussr during its existance?try to guess
>>534570660op is a faggot
>>534575743its not called "stealing" when you own the place>>534575678>you are too ignorant and shitty to create value yourself.lmao
>>534572203it was like USA gang warfare, inasmuch as homeboy in tuman province gets a call from his brutha out west, saying 'you gotta suit up and get those niggas bro', now tuman homeboy gets his guys and they fight some other tuman niggas who were trying to rudimentarily democratize tsarist russia in their own slightly different way. homeboy wins the nigga fight but then the other niggas' bros come in on a train and take out the homeboy. meanwhile, nobody can read except jews.
>>534575743Don't fucking care. All thieving commies are pathetic worthless sacks of shit and they should all hang.
>>534575702Yes we have, read this and tell me all his posts are natural from a sound mind : >>534575678He literally is defending the night city dystopian future his masters have prepared for him.
>>534575702i mean>>534575349
>>534575828You are, you stupid faggot. That's why you want to "sieze" (steal) the means of production, because you're too pathetic of a nigger to produce anything on your own. Again, evil like you can never create, only take and destroy.
>>534575940I take back what I said about Elgin. Americans are that retarded and here is the final proof : >>534575847
>>534575930hes real mad even tho we dont even talk about deep ideologic stuff here itt>>534575963>because you're too pathetic of a nigger to produce anything on your own.communists put first man made object into space though
>>534575963Anon. Look at your country where 1% rule you like plantation masters ruled the niggers. You are nothing more then an uncle Tom for them.
>>534575930The only thing I'm defending is killing worthless thieving faggots like yourself. Again, you are too pathetic to create, so you take and destroy what others create.As far as my tone goes, other anon claimed I was seething but that's not really a strong enough word to describe how I feel about thieving commies. Murderous rage mixed with disgust would be closer.
>>534576050You don't even need to discuss ideology. Read fucking Mike pondsmith, the creator of cyberpunk tabletop game. Every way and form he described the dystopian corporate future that normal people are nothing more then cattle to be used can be seen being practice in real life in the US today.
>>534570660All commies must hang
>>534570660https://youtube.com/shorts/f381vzVKivc
>>534576159>ReadYou just asked way too much of him. The only thing he can read and compute are shitposts.
>>534575864around 12k tons, its equal to 6% of old gold that was ever mined by all humans during whole history including modern times>>534575828>its not called "stealing" when you own the placesee, you are trotskyistML is the only hope for nafo troons to win, otherwise you will be reduces to slaves or hanged just like that >>534575864 person mentionedthats why the best way to deal with marxism lebonism is to crack head with pickaxe
>>534576065And, you're too fucking dumb to realize that communism would only give them more power. Communism doesn't take from the corporate elite, it gives government powers over to them.>your government and corporations are bad>that's why we need to put them togetherEvery commie has the IQ of a nigger.
>>534576112you are mad because you are well aware that capitalism is collapsing. >>534576159job security and stability is collapsing rapidly especially with new AI shit somehow theres still people defending current system. lol
>>534576159hey newsflash, nigger, most people ARE cattle and are made to be ruled over, doesn't matter what system - they'll be ruled by the smartest narcissist sociopaths.
>>534570660Idk what the point of these raids are. It's not punishing us, its not hurting us, it's not convincing us. It's really just a waste of time for you commies
>>534576337Capitalism is a made up word by thieving sacks of shit like you who want to steal from others practicing free trade. Fuck your made up capitalism strawman, and fuck your thieving nigger existence.
>>534576252you should check definition of stealing. communists won civil war. you cant steal from yourself. they owned state treasury and other imperial stuff.
>>534574952Correct. As it should be. >>534576422Your world is collapsing in real time. Communism is inevitable.
>>534576453>1791, "man of money, one who has large property employed in business," from French capitaliste, a coinage of the Revolution educate yourself mate
>>534576252levi bronstein, subversive alias-jew and mexican ice axe enthusiast
>>534576666Soooooooooo, that's why you raid this place? Also real capitalism has never been tried
>>534575206shut the fuck up pratyuk bansal you disgusting shitjeet
>>534576521so you admit waste of resources, then might makes right - stalin purged trotkyist jews and cracked head of trotskyarguments with niggers are useless
>>534570660trotsky in the sense it's all feds.
>>534576789theres no leftist propaganda itt. we were talking about who was better communist leader before you amerigolems derailed the thread.
>>534572664Mao got bailed out by Kissinger and the Rothchilds. Deng Sucessfully turned a backwater into a modern state. Xi is turning it into global superpower. Xi is playing the long game and winning.
>>534570660every single one of you is brown or jewish. kys. you're enemies of white and everything that's good and true in the world.
trotsky lost the icepick debate
>>534576718levi bronstein head was cracked, it was an easy death for his crimes but quite funny lol
>>534576901This is an American board, the fuck outta here
>>534576913Trump owns Xi, look at what happened to TikTok my guy, raped by americans and jews. Guys a joke and a laughingstock, guess that's the same, anyway he's a double nigger.
>>534577083nah this place is international >>534577062>finding others suffering funnyseek mental help schizo
>>534577084binland will be one first countries in europe that will be nuked during first minutes of ww3 btw. you shouldnt have joined NATO.
>>534577199You're speaking English
>>534577199shabbos goys who support trotskyism or lebonism are not people((real communists)) dont consider you as people also, according to ((real communists)) work drones will low IQ like you should be organized in labor armies to work for free loleach ((real communist)) can manage 2800 work drones...oh i have seen it somewhere else lol
>>534576685Yes, you stupid nigger the word capital existed before your retarded thief ideology, you're the one who made it into a strawman and stuck an existing word along with it.
>>534577424>look boys i implied judes with ()you are so edgy
>>534577487did you read communist manifesto?
>>534577511I did. It says "you're gay"
>>534577461your properties will be nationalized when the time comes
pro-schizo posting
>>534577718you will be sent back to pajeetistan when the time comes.
>>534577718Your face will be removed via buck shot
>>534570660this is like asking someone their religious denomination
>>534577594no, it tells to take all property of goyim and force them to work for free
>>534570824Kill count
>>534577951Sounds pretty gay to me
The funniest thing about these coordinated raids is that because commies can't defend their positions for shit, anybody that happens to stumble upon these threads, I'm convinced, will instantly begin to reject communism
>>534572527Don't look up where his descendants work
>>534578043yes, very gayalso it tells to abolish nuclear families goyim should work in such conditions for few hundred years before they build all required assetsthen builders of communism will enjoy results and finally they will get communism
>>534578362*kills himself after getting gangbanged*
>>534571488The power structure to facilitate the purges was already in place. He had a strong intelligence apparatus and was already embedded with political connections and knowledge. He basically just had to put his foot down and target the people he already knew would cause him issues, with a secret police that was already used to extra judicial killings. Lenin built from nothing and so did Mao. They both had to build those power structures and normalise/mask repression. Lenin had the advantage also of existing after a notoriously repressive regime, so marketing that was likely less difficult.
Kim Il Sung > Kim Jong Un > Kim Jong Il > Stalin > Mao > Uncle Ho
>>534577718You won't do shit. If you would then you wouldn't be a worthless commie.
>>534576966This. Keep reminding them how jewish it all is.
