>retarded niggers think Iran is winning cause they lobbed some rockets at courtyards and sheds on US military bases when America killed entire Iranian leadership in a single moment and fucked up all their infrastructure
The goal was a regime change, I'd say the new leader being the old one's son and having basically the same ideology is a failWhen you fail to reach your goals, you lose. Nobody cares that you killed a bunch of sandniggers because they breed like rats
>>534595686Uhm sweaty it’s safe to say the Iranian regime has been changed. That sounds like mission accomplished to me.
Hormussy?
>>534595585US stated goals:>regime changefail, 87 year old leader replaced with son who father, wife and children were killed>destroy the navyfail, 150 ships sunk but Iran retains 3000 small attack boats and mine laying ships, plenty to keep the strait closed indefinitely>end support for proxiesfail, not even attempted>destroy missiles and drone capabilitiesfail, whilst 50% of launchers have been destroyed and 30% of stocks have been used or destroyed, production can still churn out 500 drones a week>end nuclear programfail, iran has all 1000 pounds of enriched uranium and since the usa has been incapable of toppling the regime will have 10 nukes within the year>bonususa has gone through 14 years of production of weapons and now requires the help of china for rare earths to ever build it back meaning the usa will lose taiwan and access to the south china sea in a trade for themIrans goal>surviveSuccess>close strait of hormuzSuccess>bonusget to charge $2m toll per ship, making them $100b a year which will make them wealthier than the saudis long termResult: strategic iranian victory
>>534595585One dead American is a defeat, dipshit.
>>534595936To be fair the US could win and achieve all those objectives with an Iraq-style invasion but everyone in the government knows nobody supports that shit anymore and the military values individual soldiers' lives way too much for any large ground operations to be successful so yeah it's impossible for the US to win this unless they manage to ignite a civil war and supply the anti government forces with equipment and intel
>>534596131Iran is not Iraq. It breaks all conventional military doctrine just like Afghanistan. Again, these are not incompetent inbred Sunni/Wahhabi Arabs cucked by Mossad and Saudi Arabia psyops. They know how to put up a fight.
>>534596131>the us could win if they did this thing they can't actually do and when they did do it before they failed anyway Stick to editing drone supercuts Ivan
>>534595755iran won though
>>534595585Why is the strait still closed and Trump gave up on 'Project Freedom' after a single day then?
>>534595585Winning is achieving a political goal by military means.Did America achieve such a goal? We can only say after negotiations
>>534596244Yes its a more symmetrical fight so they can use air superiority better
>>534595920too tight to make it in
>>534596678>symmetric No. Iran's whole mosaic defense doctrine is based around asymmetrical warfare.
>>534596332The Ba'athists were toppled and they don't control the government to this day so if that's what the US is aiming for in Iran then that's the only way to do it
>>534595978>Tacit admittance that one American life is worth about three thousand Iranian livesI mean, you aren't wrong in a spiritual sense but logistically you don't have a cat's chance in Hell.
>>534596867And then we occupied the country for a decade while trying to prop up a puppet government, ISIS emerged to destabilize the region, and the current Iraqi government is closer to Iran than it has ever been. Not a major dub.
>>534595585are ya winning, son?
>>534595585Hormuz closed. US military bases vacant. Bessent asking China to help the US get Iran to come to the peace table.Major victory.
>>534595585iranians cannot be defeated, they have all the advantages
>>534595686America has a higher fertility rate than Iran
>>534596867>Ba'athistsA minority. Now Iraq is literally ruled by pro Iranian shia Arabs that were shooting at Americans until the ceasefire was reached. Nice "regime change". But Persians are not a minority in Iran, and they've been ruling the place for the last 2600 years. They're not a fake ass country like Iraq
>>534596954Logistics aside, we could win with the right leadership, anywhere in the world.
>>534595920United States Blockade.
>>534595585Everyone knows your benchod bros. Iran will always always always be above shitty poop india. Even your own caste system and religion says so. Pretty fucking pathetic.
>>534599076You would if you couldYou won't cuz you can't
>muh K:DThe Nazis would have won if kill : death ratio was all that mattered
