Your nationalism is daddy issues with a flag. Lacan would see it immediately. You need a Big Other: nation, race, Trump, tradition, “the West.” Something to certify your identity, because without an external master-signifier your self-image collapses back into lack.So you invent thieves of enjoyment. Migrants stole the jobs. Jews control the banks. Feminists corrupted the women. Liberals ruined the culture. Your politics is fantasy management. Trump works because he performs the Father: vulgar, rich, untouchable, promising the lost wholeness you never had.But the Real keeps leaking through. Loneliness, porn-brain, humiliation, economic failure, no coherent future. So you post harder. You racialise your inadequacy and call it politics.The Jew becomes your ultimate fantasy-subject, blamed for your castration, imagined as the thief of a wholeness you never possessed. The migrant becomes proof that your enjoyment was stolen. Trump is your obscene stand-in Father, selling you permission to enjoy resentment. Your perfect nation does not exist. It is your lack wearing a flag.
shut up moshe
You will never be a real woman
It's funny how leftism criticism largely boils down to statements that are the equivalent of:>You believe birds fly in the sky>You are made to think that rivers flow downstream>You have been conditioned to accept that fire burns
>>534603209You treat your fantasy structure as nature. Birds flying is not ideology. “The Jew stole my country” is. Rivers flowing downstream is not ideology. Needing race, nation, and Trump to stabilise your identity is. You are confusing material reality with the symbolic fiction that gives your resentment a target.
>>534603209It's always ad hominem. No ideas, no sources to back up claims, just pure projections.I can't believe the left is something, people are retarded.
>>534602913Tldr, Jew: Basic bitch generic Liberal Edition, go back to redit Nigger / Glow Nigger / Roastie / Faggot / Lbgt / Them and / or Those, Nigger Jew Faggot Roastie Anon
>>534603311“Ad hominem” would be saying you are stupid, therefore wrong. That is not the argument. Right wing ideology often works through fantasy. The Big Other guarantees identity, then an enemy is invented as the thief of enjoyment. “Migrants stole your future,” “Jews control decline,” “feminists ruined women,” and “Great leader will restore the lost nation” are not your empirical observations. They are fantasy structures that organise your resentment.
>>534602913>Migrants stole the jobs. Jews control the banks. Feminists corrupted the women. Liberals ruined the cultureThese are inventions.It's class warfare.The ruling class decided that the middle class was unsustainable and is working to destroy it.The US Iran war is the final stages of that war.2027 isn't going to be fun if you aren't prepared.
>>534603426What the fuck are you talking about holy shit go back to /lit/ I fucking hate philosophy majors Jesus Christ please commit sodoku
>>534603316The left is just as delusional as rightoids, but have different fantasies. Left-wing ideology can also function as fantasy management. It may install its own Big Other. History, progress, revolution, justice, rquality, “the oppressed,” or “the right side of history.” These become symbolic authorities that certify identity and moral worth to the leftist.
>>534603624Rightoids don't read or think so good
>>534602913>it thinks nationalism is daddy issuesIt would appear you are incapable of defining "nationalism." Go back to india.
- Hey, is that a pajeet throwing garbage down the river?!- No, it's a thief of enjoyment, a projection of your own insecurity, a Big Other who is only there to materialize your inadequacy and embody your inability to rejoin with self.- Oh, gee, I was worried for a minute.
>>534603691India is probably the most nationalist country on earth, precisely for reasons I've already stated.
>>534603636So separate territories makes sense then... racially, culturally, and spiritually, Anon
>>534603706Nobody said littering is imaginary. The point is that your politics starts when you turn a man throwing rubbish into a racial metaphysics of decline. That leap from “someone did something bad” to “the foreigner embodies corruption” is the fantasy structure of your politics.
>>534603728Yeah, that's not what it means to humans.Good luck.
>>534603706Lol Anglo Jew Flag Anon
>>534603800Okay, give your own pick me definition of nationalism and I'll show you it's exactly like what I said.
>>534603684You didn’t disagree with me. Evasive. High verbal IQ. Show flag
>>534602913Every one has a Big Other he larping faggot. Your communist eschatology pretending to be Science is secualr religion taken from faggy Hegel who tried to cope from Kants Ding-An-Sich. You retarded nigger. Lacan is a Kantian project and using he to pwn some enemy but not on yourseld is falling back into the phantasmic reatructure of the Real you cannot encounter because your phantasmas have occupied your perception. Nigger.
>>534603800My meme flag also means good luck towards them and / or those, interestingly enough Anon
>>534603787>"look at this goy, he his basing his entire politics on observing things around him and making generalizations based on that, what an absolute fool"
Well, everybody needs this. And no, it's not a scam, it's the only reason people live. It's a sacred duty to keep your people YOURS
(((Liberals and / or Conservatives))) blah blah blah
>>534603292>Birds flying is not ideology. “The Jew stole my country” is.Is the existence and influence of AIPAC an imagined ideology or an objective fact? > Rivers flowing downstream is not ideology. Needing race, nation, and Trump to stabilise your identity is. Ok let's start with removing jewish, black etc. identity and will finish with removing white / european / western identity last. Sounds good?> You are confusing material reality with the symbolic fiction that gives your resentment a target."Human rights" don't exist in material reality, they're imagined symbolic structures that give your weakness an excuse for existing and are a means of social domination and control over the Other, more powerful and lacking in weaknesses you posses
>>534602913WhatAre you braindead?Racialism is the willful drive away from wholeness, into the unknown of proprietary biome-driven progress and evolution.Racialism is the driving force of Human Speciation which you despise because of an anal para-religious intent of con straining humanity into One formless mythologized Blob that never existed to begin with. Second hand abrahamic universalistic dreams going undercover through psychologization and a thin layer of rationalism.Pic (probably) unrelated
>>534603902Pattern recognition is not the same as turning anecdotes into a religion. You are not “observing reality.” You are selecting whatever confirms your fantasy, then calling the result common sense. Your "evidence” only matters because it plugs into the fantasy first.>>534603877Correct, everyone has a Big Other. The point is not “you have symbolic mediation, therefore you are wrong". Your politics organises lack through specific master signifiers. Then externalises contradiction into fantasy enemies. Your reply actually confirms. You immediately turn “communism,” “Hegel,”, etc, etc into contaminating objects, then discharge jouissance through slurs.>>534603933“Sacred duty” is just the Big Other speaking through you. You have moved from politics into theology. Nation becomes God, blood becomes sacrament, and outsiders become contamination. That is not an empirical argument. That is the fantasy admitting it needs holiness because it cannot justify itself materially.
>>534602913Rarely have I seen so much projection in one post lmao
>>534603292Pakistani rape gangs aren't ideology either.
>>534602913nah I just don't want to live around niggers, Indians, and other net negative human trash.Put me in a corner and I'll murder as many as I can before I'm taken out.
>>534604187Projection of what? Calling it projection is already conceding to the Freudian frame. You are using psychoanalysis to say psychoanalysis is projection.
>>534604177>>534604350Racialism is the willful drive away from wholeness, into the unknown of proprietary biome-driven progress and evolution.Racialism is the driving force of Human Speciation which you despise because of an anal para-religious intent of con straining humanity into One formless mythologized Blob that never existed to begin with. Second hand abrahamic universalistic dreams going undercover through psychologization and a thin layer of rationalism.Pic (probably) unrelated
>>534604236Pakistani rape gangs are just ontological, hermeneutic objects that represent an idealized, projected abstraction of the meta-other, whose queerness is nothing but a fantasized interpretation in your mind, an avatar of the Ur-Foreign.
>>534604306This is precisely the fantasy of contamination. The racialised other is not engaged as a person or even as a policy problem. He becomes the stain that explains why your imagined community is not whole. It is jouissance through disgust masquerading as politics.
>>534604425Racialism is the willful drive away from wholeness, into the unknown of proprietary biome-driven progress and evolution.Racialism is the driving force of Human Speciation which you despise because of an anal para-religious intent of con straining humanity into One formless mythologized Blob that never existed to begin with. Second hand abrahamic universalistic dreams going undercover through psychologization and a thin layer of rationalism.Pic (probably) unrelated
>>534602913Trump ain’t my daddy, real or kike psychobabble stand-in. My daddy is the United States Constitution, i.e. the rule of law, which states, in part, that “Congress shall have the power to declare war,” which kike puppet POTUSes have been ignoring for decades.Rule of law, not of a man or any group of men. A republic. Which we did not keep, so now we have to do the revolution thing again.Sigh.Anyway, unreality insistent fuckers like you are getting the first bullets/nooses/guillotines.
>>534604415“Human Speciation” is not an argument. It is a fantasy of salvation through racial separation. You are accusing me of abrahamic universalism while doing pagan eschatology with genetics jargon. You just replaced God with evolution and soul with biome. The structure is identical: fall, contamination, purification, destiny.
>>534602913i don't want to live around pajeetindians should only exist india or be lynchlet me live with my people in peace you subhuman cockroach
>>534602913I read only the first sentence and Im not reading anymore of this subversive tripe until you unhide your flag. We all know youre in israel right now, you fucking slime. Sage
>>534604541>Anyway, unreality insistent fuckers like you are getting the first bullets/nooses/guillotines.How many weeks until the uprising? Two?You did not escape the Father. You relocated him into constitutional law. The constitution is your sacred text. The republic is your fantasy of restored order. “Rule of law” is the Big Other that supposedly guarantees reality.But the contradiction appears immediately. You say “rule of law, not men,” then fantasise about extrajudicial killing. Once the sacred text fails to guarantee reality, you reach for purification through violence. Your constitution is functioning as a holy relic that authorises revenge for your failed fantasy.
>>534602913>You need a Big Other: nation, race, Trump, tradition, “the West.”you need diversity, inclusion, fag rights and what not just to tap yourself on the back how you're way better than everyone else.your big daddy is just yourself, you have no dreams or ideals or anything. your idea of good society is just endless everyday life that's why you find peace in consumerism, upvotes and total consensusyou are the absolutist while your local nazi is nelson mandela compared to you
You will never feel whole because your politics misidentifies lack as theft.Lacan’s point is that lack is not something migrants, Jews, liberals, feminists, or traitors put inside you. Lack is the structure of subjectivity itself. You became a self through language, law, fantasy, and the Other. That means you were never complete self to begin with.Nationalism sells a fake cure. Find the thief. Purge the contaminant. Restore the lost nation. Then wholeness will return. Everything will finally feel ordered again.But the lost wholeness never existed. Every victory will disappoint you because the hole was not caused by the enemy. If migrants are not enough, blame Jews. If Trump fails to restore the symbolic order, blame the hidden traitors around him. If the nation still feels broken, invent a deeper conspiracy with enemies to explain it.Your politics will never free you from that cosmic lack you've always felt. It only gives that lack a culprit. And that culprit will never satisfy you long term.
>>534605136Yes, the liberal/leftist has his own Big Other. As stated here>>534603636But it does not make your racial mythology true. It just means there are two fantasies here. The liberal fantasy is universal harmony. Your fantasy is restored wholeness through exclusion. Both are fantasies at the end of the day.
>>534604682Creationist antiscientific mentally ill drivelYou have been throughly deconstructed and diagnosed, which means you must be immediately secluded and hospitalized right now.
>>534605818>no argument detected
>>534604177You have a disregard for real events. People that sell drugs in my district are real, 1/2 of our entire money goes to sand nigger gibs, that's real, however somehow an imagniary order dispersed by a global functioning ideology somewhow re-writes the real I encounter into some fantasma. Your Big Other forces you to re-integrate everything you see. You are not allowing yourself to encounter the Real because your imaginar order would break. And you are still a nigger.
>>534605498You will always feel whole because you have contained a stabile cage around your perception. The Other for you is simply a different subject but the Othet you use is an Other that your simbolicak father figure allows you to beat.
>>534605914Racialism is the willful drive away from wholeness, into the unknown of proprietary biome-driven progress and evolution.Racialism is the driving force of Human Speciation which you despise because of an anal para-religious intent of con straining humanity into One formless mythologized Blob that never existed to begin with. Second hand abrahamic universalistic dreams going undercover through psychologization and a thin layer of rationalism.Pic (probably) unrelated
french communist pedophile faggot with 999 jewish pedophile communist faggot friends wants you to know that *you* are pathological for not wanting to live next to objectively violent, smelly and stupid nonwhites. he, the french communist pedophile faggot, is normal. this is very serious science. if you don't get it it's because you're not smart enough. you're not stupid are you?
>>534605498>Lack is the structure of subjectivity itself. You became a self through language, law, fantasy, and the Other. That means you were never complete self to begin with.whats amazing is the gay cult that preaches no one is ever happy was started before 2012 the year the world was destroyed by fag marriage
>>534606132>The Other for you is simply a different subject but the Othet you use is an Other that your simbolicak father figure allows you to beat.
>>534602913>Your nationalism is daddy issues with a flag.Including for Israel? Say Israel should embrace progressivism and have open borders
>>534602913>there is no other. There is nothing beside the immedite, the ego.>race doesn't matter. Nation doesn't matter. Tradition doesn't matter.You are in no position to talk about sprituality or wisdom, as you lack both.An intellectual amoeba like you should just shut the fuck up.
No, I just want to be able to go outside without being surrounded by Jeets everywhere
>>534604094.
>>534604094AIPAC exists. Lobbying exists. Institutional influence exists. The fantasy begins when “a pro-Israel lobby influences policy” becomes “the jew stole my country.” or "the jew runs my country". You turn a real institution into a hidden subject of history, then make “the Jew” your object petit a, the imagined thief of stolen enjoyment.Human rights are symbolic. So are borders, property, money, citizenship, race, and nation. Symbolic does not mean fake. It means sustained by law, language, recognition, and belief.The question is what your fantasy needs the symbolic order to do. Yours needs a racial enemy as the explanation for your lack.>>534606132"B-b-but you have one too" is not a rebuttal.Yours turns enemies or imagined enemies into thieves of enjoyment, contaminants, and causes of lost wholeness.Chuds are the ones pretending their fantasy is nature, biology, tradition, or reality itself.>>534606165“They are dirty and stupid, and the people who disagree are degenerate Jewish communist perverts” is not empiricism. It is your fantasy of purity talking.
>>534603209Don't forget pathologizing.
>>534602913So let's kill kikes and deport nons and murder all sexual degenerates and traitors and see how well your theory holds up.
>>534604177Conflating obvious statistical reality with anecdotes proves you operate in bad faith. It's a shame you'll never realize that we're some of the few that actually want what's best for the world.
>>534602913I can say with certainty I know a hell of a lot more than whoever wrote this drivel
>>534602913>>534603292AI slop.
>>534604425to me they aren't people, they ARE stains upon my society in every measurable metric.Love then so much? Move to India, faggot.
>>534606326Israel is the perfect example of nationalist fantasy.
>>534606957newsflash, every race is tribal, thus nationalistic. No amount of useless philosophy degree gobbledygook you spout will make us hate the other any less, nor vice versa.
>>534606709This whole notion of far-right people being losers who resent immigrants ignores the fact we are fully aware of what will happen when Whites become a minority, unlike everyone else.
>>534602913Everything you just said is pure ideology devoid of material fact. It's a very narcissistic and verbose way of dismissing goyim discontent as fake, crazy, or some other pathologization. It's a strategy to power. Jewish capitalist Zionist power.
>>534606806Stalin already tested this logic. First, it was Kulaks, then revisionists, then Trotskyists, then foreign agents, etc. The Khmer Rouge did the same. Cambodia did not become whole when they rounded up and killed every element designated as the enemy, neither did the Soviet Union. They both became terror states organised around suspicion and witch hunts for impure elements subverting the glorious nation. Before collapsing in on themselves. The purge never cures the lack and satisfies the fantasy. There is always more demand for sacrifices to purify the nation.
>>534603292>You treat your fantasy structure as nature. Birds flying is not ideology. “The Palestinian stole my country” is. Rivers flowing downstream is not ideology. Needing race, nation, and Bibi to stabilise your identity is. You are confusing material reality with the symbolic fiction that gives your resentment a target.You wouldn't dare ever levy these critiques and deconstructions on Jewish power. This is what inherently undercuts your whole argument and exposes it as illegitimate - hypocrisy matters in this regard. Remember lurkers, whenever you see someone like OP picking apart your worldview and justifying their attacks on you, remember the "NAZI method.">Say "No," Ask about Zionism and IsraelDo the same standards you're being judged by get applied to the Jewish race and the illegitimate state of Israel? If not, then you're just dealing with hasbara like this thread.
>>534602913Sounds like a load of Jewish victim blaming bullshit tbqh.
>>534606709> AIPAC exists. Lobbying exists. Institutional influence exists. The fantasy begins when “a pro-Israel lobby influences policy” becomes “the jew stole my country.” or "the jew runs my country". You turn a real institution into a hidden subject of history, then make “the Jew” your object petit a, the imagined thief of stolen enjoyment. Is the AIPAC an objectively real organization run by "the Jew" whose purpose is to further jewish interests by controling the government of US? Yes or no> Human rights are symbolic. So are borders, property, money, citizenship, race, and nation. Symbolic does not mean fake. It means sustained by law, language, recognition, and belief. The question is what your fantasy needs the symbolic order to do. Yours needs a racial enemy as the explanation for your lack. Who is "you" in this case? A political enemy "you need as the explanation of your lack"? How would you prove wrong someone who says that you need a symbolic "rightwing" enemy to explain the failures of progressivism? Lacan's rhetoric is peak postmodern drivel and the easiest way to disprove any position held by a postmodernist is to use postmodernism against him. When you know how to use correct phrases you can "deconstruct" anything and superimpose your "explanation" of it over it but that doesn't mean it's useful or true. It's just a psychoanalitical pseudoscience turned political - "you want a functioning government which punishes crime because you want a daddy" is literally the same retarded tarot reading as "you were angry when punished as a kid because you wanted to fuck your mommy"
>>534607259I didn't say your material conditions, alienation, and suffering are fake. You're explaining your suffering with simple fantasy, a conspiracy with a face.Pure ideological supplementation. Your real suffering caused by multiple complex phenomena, spanning back to long before you were born, is explained away with a fantasy figure behind it. The system produces losers structurally, there is no simple agent behind your suffering.
I only know about lacan from this video and its enough to make me like him without understanding his ideas because im stupidhttps://youtu.be/rJz4OaURJ6U
>>534602913What's the alternative? Globohomo? No thanks.
>>534606709>>534606957>>534607268>>534607895Racialism is the willful drive away from wholeness, into the unknown of proprietary biome-driven progress and evolution.Racialism is the driving force of Human Speciation which you despise because of an anal para-religious intent of con straining humanity into One formless mythologized Blob that never existed to begin with. Second hand abrahamic universalistic dreams going undercover through psychologization and a thin layer of rationalism.Pic (probably) unrelated
>>534602913>nationalism is bad>except for non whites and jews>memeflag
>>534602913>>534603292>The Jew becomes your ultimate fantasy-subject, blamed for your castration, imagined as the thief of a wholeness you never possessed. The migrant becomes proof that your enjoyment was stolen.>Birds flying is not ideology. “The Jew stole my country” is.
>>534602913Faggot
>>534606709>"B-b-but you have one too" is not a rebuttal.It is because you try to superimpose a view from the outside whipe being a part of chain of hysteric politics. You mask yourself as Reason, behind the mask is the face of panic as you feel endagered as the Real moves closer. It will encounter you.
>>534604422Lmao. What a polemical deconstruction of post colonial ethnonationalism!
>>534607982genetic engineering is a far better candidate for evolutionary "progress" given that it's something that can be achieved within decades instead of tens or hundreds of thousands of yearsif you genuinely felt the world would be better off more closely matching your DNA in particular, it would be far more effective to engineer retroviruses to accomplish it directlyif you love your race, it would make sense to convert all others to the same rather than some extermination or segregation agenda
>>534607055“nothing will make us hate the other less” is the mask dropping. Your hatred clearly comes first, then you cherry pick ideas from politics, biology, history, etc, to arrange around it and call it objective reality.Hunger is natural too, does not mean famine or eating disorders are sacred.Nationalism is the real tribal impulse industrialised through the state apparatus, but it is not actual tribalism. You have no real tribal connection to someone 50 miles away in your country. Nationalism is an 18th century invention that manufactures a fantasy tribe, gives it a lost golden age, and gives you a fantasy enemy to justify it.
A great man once explained what OP is doing.>"They would lay down truisms and platitudes; and, if you accepted these, then they were applied to other problems and matters of an essentially different nature from the original theme. If you faced them with this point they would escape again, and you could not bring them to make any precise statement. Whenever one tried to get a firm grip on any of these apostles one's hand grasped only jelly and slime which slipped through the fingers and combined again into a solid mass a moment afterwards. If your adversary felt forced to give in to your argument, on account of the observers present, and if you then thought that at last you had gained ground, a surprise was in store for you on the following day. The Jew would be utterly oblivious to what had happened the day before, and he would start once again by repeating his former absurdities, as if nothing had happened. Should you become indignant and remind him of yesterday's defeat, he pretended astonishment and could not remember anything, except that on the previous day he had proved that his statements were correct. Sometimes I was dumbfounded. I do not know what amazed me the more--the abundance of their verbiage or the artful way in which they dressed up their falsehoods. I gradually came to hate them." -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
>>534608752Can you disprove nationalism anthropologically?
>>534608666I'm glad you noticed, Satan.
>>534608814Disprove what exactly? That humans form in-groups?
>>534609130Well you'd have to create a theory that the idea of a state is something imperceptible to humanity, like the social connections needed to support an empire far exceeds the human capability of understanding so you essentially have to lie to everyone. Then again it woudl be silly to say that we understand everything about humanity when humanity has never lived in such a high oppositional environment with so many minorities so there could be mass emergent behaviour we've never seen
>>534609273*high population for instance, all the cultures before modern cultures centered on rivers developed massive empire spanning ethics and religious systems to essentially justify the state
>>534602913>>534604350Your wokeness is daddy issues with a flag. Lacan would see it immediately. You need a Big Other: feminism, ICE, Trump, gender pronouns, “no more borders.” Something to certify your identity, because without an external master-signifier your self-image collapses back into lack.So you invent thieves of enjoyment. There are nazis everywhere. The police hate black people. _____ is too white. Men need to man up and accept strong independent women.But the Real keeps leaking through. Loneliness, twitter addiction, humiliation, economic failure, no coherent future. So you post harder. You tweet 20 times a day and call it social justice.Trump becomes your ultimate fantasy-subject, blamed for your castration, imagined as the thief of a wholeness you never possessed. White people become proof that your enjoyment was stolen. The media is your obscene stand-in Father, selling you permission to enjoy resentment. Your liberal fantasy world does not exist. It is your lack wearing a flag.
>>534602913Yes! This is why we need street shitters in our countries.
>>534602913lol, nigger
>be pseud>spend twenty years understanding human condition >come to realize that the solution is to gas the jews, just like Cletus told you back in third grade before bullying youIncredible hiw much of philosophy is losers pretending to secret knowledge to feel better about themselves
>>534609811Most socialist philosphy is nonsense exactly based on believing they're picking up on some untapped signal bumping around the house of knowledge with dowsing rods and thermal cameras looking for ghosts
>>534608752>>534609130Racialism is the willful drive away from wholeness, into the unknown of proprietary biome-driven progress and evolution.Racialism is the driving force of Human Speciation which you despise because of an anal para-religious intent of con straining humanity into One formless mythologized Blob that never existed to begin with. Second hand abrahamic universalistic dreams going undercover through psychologization and a thin layer of rationalism.Pic (probably) unrelated
>>534602913Wrong board. You're trying to explain issues to people who can't self introvert enough to understand that they're all low IQ pedophiles. If they can't see how talking all day about Epstein, Jews and Indian raping children, loli and age of consent, implies a feverish sexual preoccupation with children, then the simple insight into how right wing politics is a delulu mythology will fly over their heads at height of an interstellar craft flight.You're genuinely trying to use high IQ postmodern philosophy on low IQ pedophiles who can't stop bringing children for even a second (paki rape gangs in this thread).
>>534610164>Second hand abrahamic universalistic dreamsHe is right, that the state is a lie, he's just not aware that he's the one being lied to
>>534609273A state is far too large, abstract, and impersonal to be experienced like a tribe or village. You cannot directly feel millions of strangers as an organic community. Hence the state has to be made imaginable through symbols, but that is not tribalism. It is symbolic engineering using the state. Ancient empires used gods, sacred law, and dynasties. Modern nationalism uses nation, language, race, land, etc.Tribalism is the raw impulse, organic at the scale of family, clan, village, etc. Nationalism is that impulse processed through state machinery. High population and ethnic diversity may intensify conflict. But that does not prove racial nationalism is the natural truth. It only proves states need symbolic systems to manage populations at scale.
>>534602913>Your nationalism is daddy issues with a flag.Uhm...I think it's a bit more than that lol
>>534602913Also do you mean to imply that the opposite of nationalism is mommy issues?
>>534610362So Hitler becoming a dictator to try and make people's lives better through the justification of socialism and shared racial heritage was a wholesale lie?National socialism seemingly throws a wrench in your plan because it allows you to absolutely state the state serves the people and their race and that will deliver them the most happiness. How do other socialists content with this? Since socialism is just some flag you can wrap yourself in to say whatever you want about reality, you'd have to disprove national socialism or empires actually benefiting anybody. Then you're just back to economics, no?I was wondering yesterday if the first lie sold by the state was that it needed to requisition people to mine copper
>>534610362>weasels out of adressing his crypto hegeliansim sonhe doesn't have to adress KantEntire Lacan perception is so deeply poised by leftists it is untrue to itself. Again: Lacan is kantian praxis. Using it against a Other to try cornering it into accepeting ones own imaginary order is staying on the same vector you pretend to critisize. You just try to win.
>>534610513No, the opposite of nationalism is daddy issues with a world map. Nationalism wants the Father as nation. Liberal universalism wants the Father as humanity. Nobody escapes the Father.
>>534610862liberal universalism is intrinsically feminist and gay (jews love it, it's english socialism), and is why modern society randomly started being ran by minorities and women which are completely incompetent. So actually your ideology is the disjointed retarded usurper ideology that has nothing to stand onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP9412LFP0o&t=124s
>>534610862You don't realize this so I'll enlighten you..You sound incredibly retarded LMAO
>>534610658I'm not claiming to be outside the symbolic order, what's your point? That doesn't change the fact your politics is one big cope.
>>534611119utilitarianism (modern liberalism) is cope and might even be refuted in my lifetime
>>534602913Well what if this but also the kikes? That’s the real trvke
>>534610980So, you're saying, you lost to a bunch of feminists, gays, and jews? The tough, masculine, gun tooting, nationalist got usurped by a bunch of faggots?
>>534611202Yes I already said liberalism is a fantasy.
>>534611255Okay so you know how you were saying shit is made up and doesn't matter? How do you justify your entire ethics system then if it's "fantasy"?
>>534602913Leftist ideas, especially ideas around women, are based off of religion. Human equality is not real and never has been.
>>534602913Sure thing Moshe.And then theres this.
>>534611384and this
>>534602913You will never be a real philosopher
>>534602913Nah, kikes are ruining everything they touch
>>534609335I like how this was ignored. Human equality is the Big Other
>>534611314Lacan would agree with that.>>534611299Symbolic does not mean meaningless. Money, law, property, nation etc, are symbolic. But they still rule your life.Not all fantasies are equal. The Chuds fantasy is a particularly nefarious one, because it posits simple fixes to complex problems. Genociding the jews isn't going to make you happy or fulfilled.
>>534603706>bp
>>534602913who is to blame for the race-consciousness obsession that has infected the public mind over the past several decades??? If the final conclusion you reach after decades of race-consciousness propaganda is that "race is irrelevant and should be ignored politically" then you are certified npc. The conclusion is SUPPOSED TO BE that racial differences are real, good, appreciable, worthy of celebrating and working to preserve and that geographic and cultural isolation(which was the norm for 1M years) is the only way of achieving that.
>>534603426you have a meme flag. you’re jewish. there is no right or left, just jews on both sides. pleb brained faggots like you can’t understand what’s directly in front of them
>>534602913Nationalism is bad>For White peopleIt's good for>Everyone elseUnless it's time for war>Fight for your countryOr for sportsball>Yay the world Cup>Yay the Olympics
>>534611649Oh no!
>>534602913I hate this type of pseudo-phylosophical post-modern drivel so much.>let me, a failed intellectual, tell you about yourself without revealing anything about my own philosophyAll your ilk do is smugly tear down everything you see while offering no alternative. We can all do that.
>>534611649So you symbolically believe in liberalism so that you can pretend to have an ethics system on which to criticize and dismantle liberalism which you say is made upwhile also fundamentally not understanding what liberalism is or that you're actually just a socialist
>>534602913Nope. I am just sick and tired of all leftists shit visions and agendas. They turned to some weird 3th world communism muslim black brown ass fucking annoyance. That's it. I am done with leftist retardations!
>>534611236of course. Final frontier of understanding is fulfillment. Men understand that and, if given chance, will lead happy, sustainable lives of just doing shit they want with their family. However women, jews and niggers lack intellectually capability to be truly fulfilled. They can't just kick back and enjoy, there is always another handbag to buy, another chain to put around your neck or another shekel to scam. It is through this eternal boredom that they get impetus to act, just as it is within men's adaptability that they can deal with increasingly bullshit society to obtain fulfillment they seek.
>>534611649I know Lacan would agree with that. My question is do you agree to that, and if so, what do you think the implications of such a belief is? And while we are here, can we also both agree that class itself is a Big Other, because, similarly to nationalism, you have no real common interest to another person who just has the same relationship to the means of production to you that lives 50 miles away.
>>534611649>Genociding the jews isn't going to make you happy or fulfilled.We can't know that for certain until we do it right ;)
>>534608752So Israel should be dissolved and assimilated into the surrounding region and jews should mix with Arab Muslims until they are no longer jews. Anything else is the fake tribalism of nationalism.
>>534611119My point is, that this isn't a place on which a political thought is formulated the fantasy you superikpose on /pol/ that it looks for tribalism this trying to refute it by stating a state is a complex steucture is in itself true to /pol/, so the question remains why you need to impose this, which is neatly explained when one supposes (pbbly correctly) that you are a crypto-Hegelian or poisonned by hegelianism thus still weaseling out of Kant. You are forcing an order to justify the imaginary order you are in, so your Ego may stay intact.
>>534611623The funny part is he specifically called me out and I answered him. Oh well, what do you expect from a LARPing pseud pretending to be smart on the internet?
>>534612210>entire society is based on the bible>bible says slavery is okay>socialists: actually black slavery is agaisnt the bible>how?>don't worry about it and that's how you get socialism disguised as liberalism and socialists telling people it's liberalism an old lie that creates new lies
>>534612181>We can't know that for certain until we do it right ;)Exactly. OP should have no problem with this. Besides, it doesn't have to be a bloody procedure. Just dissolve Israel's borders and have them assimilate and intermarry with their Arab Muslim neighbors until they're all just Arab Muslims with a little bit of forgotten jewish ancestry.
>>534608692But I believe in diversity and think all people should have the right of self-determination and are entitled to their own land and soil (including european people).
>>534602913You have constructed a false image of yourself that is smart.To anyone who actually makes money and does shit, you sound like a fucking idiot.
>>534608752Why did you ignore my question?>Your nationalism is daddy issues with a flag.Does this include Israel? Do Jews need to condemn nationalism and Zionism?
>>534612515well your job is a spook too
>>534602913I read Lacan’s lectures and I guarantee that no vulgar leftist has ever gotten anything from him. It is the most opaque and unworkable collection of ideas I’ve ever interacted with. The various graphs people derived from the lectures are unhelpful and non-illustrative. Laura Miley is the only reason leftists even know about Lagan and she is so far removed from anything he spoke about as to be completely ideologically unrelated. oP is a fag.
>>534612210Yes, racial nationalism is one possible response to mass society. But it turns real problems, housing, crime, low trust, atomisation, etc, etc, into one simple racial story. We were whole once, but then they entered, they corrupted it, remove them and order returns. It is a retreat from complexity, reducing it to a myth of purification. That is why it is fantasy. Not because the problems are fake, but because race becomes the master key to restore the symbolic order.
>>534612683Ah so can you anthropologically prove that white people need to live around minorities?
>>534612181Name (1) society that purged the Other and the perfect symbolic order was restored.
>>534612515Your job will never fulfil your lack, and you admit right here by lashing out in anger. You felt threatened and needed to reassert meaning and regain control.
>>534612683Who's they though
>>534612826whypipo
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>>534612683Why are you not okay with killing jews? What's your hang up here exactly?
>>534613006Jews brainwashed the negroid into thinking they gave him modern liberalism somehow
The drama of the world is necessary and it is done with a purpose. Our identities are given to us for a reason and serve a purpose. Having an identity is not a burden or a wrong of some kind but a game or mask we play for a time to learn about ourselves. Attachment identity can lead to problems but it’s through that attachment that wisdom is gained. >the Jew, the migrant etcEvery group is given an ultimate enemy. For some it’s Jews for others it’s Whites for some it’s the patriarchy or Israel or Russia or the west and so forth etc. it is necessary that man, all men everywhere, be given an enemy that he believes to be an oppressor and responsible for all societal ill. This too is for a purpose. The state of society is not a chaotic mess under attack from malevolent actors but in reality a very carefully controlled breaking down of society so that it may be rebuilt better like muscle. The clinging to the various identities given to man are necessary to an extent for the sake of learning of ourselves and others but ultimately man should be himself and various identities of the world of which he may claim are mere tools or toys for man’s use for his understanding.Racial nationalism is Not inherently bad or good. Simply another tool for man’s use to know himself. Aldous Huxley called ideology a surrogate religion. All ideologies a surrogate identitty until the man becomes himself. In the meantime these identities are not to be considered evil but merely another manifestation of man’s totality. Also meme flags are always faggots without exception lol
>>534612765>Name (1) society that purged the Other and the perfect symbolic order was restored.Do Jews still exist? The answer is yes, therefore we cannot know the answer until they are completely eradicated from existence, so again we can't know unless we try, you should be perfectly okay with this ;)
>>534612826“They” means whoever your politics needs as the contaminant. For the Chud, it is migrants, jews, gays, troons, liberals, feminists, traitors, globalists, all enemies blamed for the collapse of order.The target always changes because a return to wholeness is not possible, but the structure stays the same. Something feels broken and a thief is required. That thief becomes the thing blocking the return of wholeness, to restoration. Achieving the perfect nation, the most just laws, true masculinity, true tradition, racial purity, or whatever Big Other you worship.
>>534602913Nationalism is just modern tribalism, the basic human social structure since the beginning of humanity on this planet. Take this pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook and shove it up your cunt, faggot.
>>534603426You're correct about everything but don't expect to accomplish anything here.
Stop bumping memeflag kike threads with no arguments.
>>534613187Already refuted ITT.
>>534613173Well brass tacks, the only thing materialistically that matters on this planet is race. Most of your philosophy was created by the prime race, so it would be pretty hard to claim that actually it was the prime race that was more wrong than actual subhumans when we were found floating around in boats. Do you think non whites have superior philosophy? obviously not you don't use it
>>534613255its a great thread for young anons to see why dumb shit is dumb
>>534613006Because it won't work.
>>534613395why not? Has any society killed their Epsteins before?
>>534613395>>534612912
>>534602913Tldr, your father is right - its all your fault
>>534613468See>>534605498
>>534602913This is one of the best examples of the term "midwit" I've ever seen
>>534613395>Because it won't work.We haven't eradicated all Jews therefore we cannot confirm that hypothesis to be certified truth, we can't know unless we try ;)
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>>534613509So, all of Spain's problems were solved? It must be the perfect nation, why are you not living there?
