The American decline seems really rapid and sudden, but when did the cracks start showing, in retrospective? Was it 9/11? Or before?
>>534608445Iraq war. Afganistan the workd was behind us, Iraq not so much. Thanks lindsay graham
>>534608445America never really got over losing the Vietnam War
>>534608445>but when did the cracks start showing, in retrospective? Was it 9/11? Or before?Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention, i.e. no two countries with a McDonald's would go to war. Which is laughable now and a faggot could have easily pointed to the fact that you a dumbass nihonji or krautnigger was able to buy a bottle of Coca-Cola in the late '30s, but nobody did. And ended up becoming policy when Clinton signed the U.S.–China Relations Act of 2000 and seriously fucked us over.And something that, mind you, has affected you as well. Wonder why we haven't thrown bullets, tanks, missiles, etc, at Ukraine? Well, that's why o algo
>>5346084451865. Any other answer is wrong.
>>534608445Civilisational collapse is not a linear process, once started, it follows a long period of slow yet irreversible decline, then suddenly collapse at the end. Today's America has passed all these stages, only rotten corpse remains.Three things are required to maintain a stable civilisation: free people, shared identity and private wealth. The first was destroyed when then federal reserve was established, the second was gone when the naturalisation act in 1965 and the last one was eradicated when the Bretton Woods system was terminated. After that there is no way back, only the certain death waits ahead.
>>534608445I would say 9/11. That destroyed America's aura of invincibility.>>534608580The rest of the world already knew Afghanistan was an unwinnable war. Just look at what happened to Great Britain and USSR after they dipped their beaks in there.But 9/11 had to be avenged so it was inevitable.
>>534608445Youll notice that america started failing as soon as millenials became 30 year old adults. the cracks started showing in thsaturday morni;g cartoons and other stuff that indoctrinated my generation to sunconsciously slip in future narratives and talking points. Post 9/11 it was alot about trauma based education
>>534608445America is currently so much better off than China and Yuropooristan that it's not even funny. Yuropoors are so delusionally propagandized right now that they may as well be behind the iron curtain or living in North Korea
when they lost in vietnam, has been all downhill since
>>534608445it was covid, kikes overplayed their hand and lostthe only way for america to survive is to get rid of the parasite - jews
>>534609195The funny thing is most Americans thought the Iraq war was revenge for 9/11. They didn't even know the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq, lol
>>534609217the real europe is western europe. and in this case, europe looks much better than america on your map (except for poortugal as always).
>>534608445Reaganomics
>>534609217>per capita incomekek, no cleetus you didn't go bankrupt from having a broken bone after your 12 hour 7 days a week no vacation shift because jeff bezos has a lot of shekels
>>534608445JFK assassination
>>534608445Reagan and Rupert Murdochwar on FDR's New Dealpoisoning the minds of the proles for 30 years with GOP doublethink bullshitonly way billionaires can get their tax cuts is to herd the retards with propaganda 24/7blame AustraliaRupert Murdoch is a cancer on civilisation
>>534608883They never got over winning ww2.
>>5346084451930s - 1940s: "Did you just ask why Jews are controlling everything? NAZI! ARREST HIM FOR GERMAN ESPIONAGE"1950s: "Race isn't real, race is not scientific! This Jew at your university says so! Thinking in race makes you a NAZI and the Nazis killed heckin 6 GORILLION joojoopeepo in the holobunga."1960s: "Oh this new migration law might let non Whites in, but it definitely definitely definitely won't change the ethnic composition of your country goy I promise. Also we should have sex outside marriage and abort kids kiddies."1970s: "Oh they're just temporary labour / gastarbeiters. By the way we need kids to learn about the HOLOBUNGA in schools so they know race thinking is MONSTROUS and EVIL. Also we need HATE SPEECH laws to prevent people complaining about these temporary workers, because race isn't real because we said it wasn't"1980s: "Oh they're just temporary refugees from wartorn countries. Have you heard the new hit from our (((music industry))) kids? White Girl, Black Boy, Black Girl, White Boy!"1990s: "Oh they're just a multicultural experiment we'll see if it works or not"2000s: "Oh we need to help the poor refugees again, even though most of them are coming from non warzones. We should really legalise gay marriage by the way"2010s: "Oh they're just an answer to the aging population, great replacement is a far right conspiracy theory. By the way kids, did you know you're trans?"2020s: "HAHA DIE WHITEY WE ARE REPLACING YOU AND YOU DESERVE TO GO EXTINCT SHABBAT SHALOM"
>>534609217Have you been to both America and Europe anon? Europeans are lean, relaxed and not gluten intolorent or allergic to everything. Also isn't one of the blue zones where people commonly live to be over 100 on an island offshore from Italy?
>>534609325Yes. I recall being young then and both invasions seemed to happen almost simultaneously and for the same reason(s). That being "war on terror".
>>534609666It's the Jews btw
>>534609178>Civilisational collapse is not a linear process, once started, it follows a long period of slow yet irreversible decline, then suddenly collapse at the end. Today's America has passed all these stages, only rotten corpse remains.
>>534608445>911>covidmiga always fa but never fo
>>534609666It's the Jews btw.
The Jews were too eager to destroy their golem.
>>534609666America's decline matches the decline of all nations who let in Jews btw
>>534608445>when did the cracks start showingFor me it was 9/11.America before and after 9/11 were 2 different countries. The police state that the current generation growing up is only natural to them because it's the only thing they ever knew.Yeah, yeah. America had lost wars before; they lost Korea, and they lost Vietnam, but they had won the Cold War, so it was a win in the long run. But 9/11 was much more than just Afghanistan and Iraq; it symbolised a new age of Zionism and putting Jews in front of everything. No one noticed how the main Protestant branches suddenly went from "jews killed jesus" to "jews are the chosen people, better than us all". No one noticed when the Department of Homeland Security was created and given to the kikes as a way to have a police force in the us to fight islamism (lots of people were hell-bent on the idea that Islam would try to take over america) and the Department of Homeland Security started to grow, absorbing other parts of the government. Hell, no one noticed that ICE was completely useless (Bill "get the fuck out of my country" Clinton had deported 12M, Bush had deported 11M, Obama just 3M and Trump only 900k). Now they control all the institutions in charge of investigating if a foreign country has control over America...
>>534608445>picking yourself back up is declining
>>534609723Your demographics are fucked, there's no way that's just white men without including "white" as well.
The cracks started showing when the jews arrived.
>>534610038It's been a Jewish nation since day 1
>>534609723>Pic relatedHoly shit, will retards actually stop posting that shit alreadythat "decline of white masculinity" pic is from a literal nigger-fetish forumand on top of that, do you seriously think that all of our grandfathers were some sort of giant, muscular chads? The malnourished, alcoholic, smoker farmers?
>>534609618Touché
>>534610114no, it's not.jews only arrived in america after we kicked them out after the "sugar war" (a group of very wealthy jews had escaped prosecution in Spain and moved to the Netherlands at a time when the Netherlands was part of the Spanish empire, and they planned to create a new Israel in northeast Brazil using the slavery money and sugar money).After we defeated them, we forced them all to fuck off, and they went to a Dutch island known as "New Amsterdam". And the rest... The rest is history...Yeah, Brazil also expelled Jews...
>>534609765This.>>534609812It's like they can't help going too far, too fast and fucking themselves over.
>>534608445America is doing fine. It's just the far-right hillbillies (wignats/spic-fuentes crowd) and the left (communists/feminist) being loud and unhinged as usual.
>>534610591Pic related is the first synagogue in the new world.After we defeated the kikes, we used it to raise pigs for a while just to desecrate it before allowing it to be used as housing.
>>534608445It's been a slow decline since their civil war (most of the subversive constitutional amendments took place after the civil war) and it's been accelerating since then with watershed moments being the fed reserve, civil rights era and hart-cellar, 9/11 and patriot act, and the jews going full mask off with trump's 2nd term.
>>534608883the '70s in America seem extremely dark in retrospect, especially compared to the '60sformer hippies prostituting themselves on the street for heroin, cities awash with trash and runaways, filthy entertainment, draftees being spat on, universities brainwashing students with neomarxist rhetoricAmerica's geography left it perhaps the only world power untouched by the war, when the rest of the world was a bombed-out ruinfrom that you get the material abundance characterised by the image of the American dream of the 1950s: the suburban modcon utopiabut by the '70s something had gone horribly wrongwhether it was administrative mismanagement, neomarxist infiltration and consequent loss of social cohesion (you call it 'Civil Rights'), a deep state intelligence apparatus rendered psychotic from drug abuse, leaded petrol, synthetic endocrine disruptors dumped en masse into the home, the delayed effects of mass psychological manipulation, the rest of the world starting to recoverI don't know which, maybe it's all of theseAmerica was way out in front at the end of the war, but it squandered its advantage, and has been living on the inertia of the dollar reserve ever since, eternally convinced of its greatness for being geographically separated from Europe and Asia enough to avoid the bombersI was disgusted with the dirty little shotgun shacks I saw people living in, so different from the media-image of itself that America shows to the rest of the planetbest country in the world from 1945-1975
>>534608445Trump II. He singlehandedly alienated the USA's most important allies. His tariff idea is retarded. There is a reason why noone does mercantilism anymore. His Iran war, if it is finally over, will be a global embarassment as bad as Vietnam and might severely harm the world economy as well.If somebody had told me that the US empire could be eroded that quickly two years ago, I would have had called him insane, because the USA was so strong in every regard.
>>534610479>and on top of that, do you seriously think that all of our grandfathers were some sort of giant, muscular chads? The malnourished, alcoholic, smoker farmers?yeah, relatively30% of GenZ are LGBT
Nixon perhaps. The current crew that sold our governing functions to the highest bidders all got started in his administration. Then you have Reagan with trickle down, and Clinton pulling restrictions on the banks. Banks, mind you, that receive free money from this government system because they are the first beneficiaries of currency inflation. Then we have the Roberts court doing Citizen's United. These incremental decisions lead inexorably to a single result, the Aristotelian transition of a democracy/republic to an oligarchy. But this only examines the problem on the political/economic side. We have also suffered collapses of both Art and Faith. These too have turned to extractive industries. Art has progressively declined in purely aesthetic terms and became a speculative vehicle to launder the money sloshing around at the top. In inflation adjusted terms, the last Movie to make it into the top ten gross was Titanic. The pop charts are now filled with front personalities who neither write or even bother to perform their 'own' music. The greatest novels of our era were about a limey child wizard going to boarding school, fo years. And now AI derivation of all existing art will destroy both the industry and the consumption, perhaps even the aesthetic purpose of art within our lives. Our churches became a place for begging God to make you rich, and for charlatans to fleece you. God does not dwell in those places. A good man does not ask God for things. A good man relies on God to develop his moral purpose, to find meaning through right action.Work has declined in meaning and value, but the system rewards stakeholders so you fill your day with inane meetings born from idiots, none of which add a quantum of value and merely exist to perpetuate their cult ideas. 'Business School'. Lol, lmao even. We are the hollow men. Our societies turned away from just purposes. The only good thing, the only silver of hope on the horizon, is a total collapse.
>>534608445It's funny how the NAFOids make memes like this and then their Ursulas and Kajas make some dumb statement about solar panel inverters being a security threat (???) and then they go back to hating China because that's what the EU ordered them to do, but then you need to go back to loving America because you're now alone, but then Trump does something and support for America implodes even harder and people start accusing NAFO of being a CIA anti-EU glowop, but then they realize that a world where America+China are the enemies of Europe is a world where the far-right's calls for the lifting of Russian sanctions become logical and a winning camping promise, which makes them panic and default to "yes America is subjugating us and that's a good thing you fucking chud" and then they put Langley references in their bios to satirize you and they're practically one major Ukrainian loss from conceding Greenland as a bribe to Trump to bring him in and have him fight their NAFO war, just to prevent the collapse of Ukraine which would (in their minds) prevent the surge of fascism.All of which is ultimately a very abstract form of antifascism where instead of collapsing your society with shitskins and green policies they simply collapse it by opening your gates to the antifascist invaders to prevent you from installing fascism, where they very proudly and clearly declare that without America Europe shouldn't exist because an independent dictatorial Europe is the ontological evilness and antithesis of their ideology, the thing that'd close their gay bars. Better have Trump bully Europe into submission than have Europe not submit and develop the bad goy thoughts again. And we're back to square one as if nothing had progressed in the past century.
>>534612147year 5 of special operation
after 250 years, its all so tiresome, trump is a fitting end, a criminal grifting pedophile traitor with dementia
Recurring Themes & Overall ConsensusEarliest cracks: Split between Civil War/early 20th century (Fed, amendments) vs. post-WW2 (1970s) vs. 9/11 as the visible “sudden” phase.Core mechanisms: Loss of shared identity (immigration 1965), financial sovereignty (Fed/Bretton Woods), elite capture, and cultural subversion.Jewish influence: Dominant explanatory framework for many posters (especially after >>534609666); treated as the unifying thread behind policy, media, and demographics.Biological/cultural embodiment: Direct references to the masculinity decline meme you shared, with both endorsement and skepticism.Tone: Overwhelmingly blackpilled. A few contrarians claim America is still richer/stronger than Europe or China, but they are shouted down. No real “solutions” beyond ironic accelerationism or waiting for the corpse to fall.The thread is a near-perfect microcosm of the online declinist ecosystem we’ve been discussing: Spenglerian morphology (civilizational winter), Tainter-style complexity exhaustion, demographic panic, and the exact visual rhetoric of the original graphic. It shows how these ideas circulate in raw, unfiltered form on /pol/.
>>534609217Truly I don't know how one can consoom nothing but one-sided state-run media (literally every euro network) and then have the gaul to claim others are brainwashed.
Post the real one
>>534612787Ok
>>534608445https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr7fEcPV2Bgdefinitely the 70s like other anons pointed out, its been a slow burn since then. i think the main reason is because secular ideas from Europe had finally reached the USA because even today we are less progressive then Europe but unlike today, Europe had a strong cultural influence on us still. in the 50s, most young adults attended church. by the 1970s only 1/3rd attended church. And another major reason is its when began moving a lot of our jobs overseas.
>>534608445Obama was when people realized commies Take over.
>>534608445>self landing rockets>complete satellite dominance>ai software making do nothing specialist obsolete>soon to be robot workforceYeah, we're self owning hard right now.
>>534608445Relative and material decline began in the 1990s, the absolute peak was the moment after the Soviet Union fell.Unipolarity was the case from 1991 to 2008. 2008 was when Russia invaded Georgia, that was when a foreign power was finally able to assert veto power on the ambitions of the United States, in part due to the material decline during the 00s.We have been in a multipolar world since 2008.
>>534612781>pledges allegiance to a flag
>>534612930feminism would have killed the white family regardless of the immigration act
>>534611697>i would have called him insaneyou are an idiot then. usa cant produce anything, everything is expensive, and the usa hasnt won a war in nearly 100 years. how does any of that tell you usa is a strong empire?
>>534609618This. You wouldn't believe how much winning resulted from putting down the gentile uprising for mr. Shekelberg in the second brother war.
>>534613288>he doesn't know who Whitchit Stands is
>>534608445Long before, brother. Desegregation in the United States was the final nail in the coffin for the US. My mother was born in 1952. My daddy was born 1957. Mom grew up like a little hillbilly girl because that's what she was God rest her soul and my daddy was a Sicilian boy living in Little Italy. But they forced my daddy to go to school with all niggers because him and my grandmom and grandpa before he died lived in the inner city. So they put him in a high school full of niggers. My mom didn't deal with that shit until she got to high school with her brothers and they forced all of them to deal with niggers. My mom told me years ago that they bussed in the nigger kids from the city and that all the white kids were fucking stunned because they never dealt with that shit before. It got so bad that they had to chain the doors shut so the whites didn't kill the nigger kids. My uncles fought a lot of those good for nothing niggers. So in retrospective, the fall of America happened many fucking years ago. 9/11 was just the icing on the cake of destruction. The Jews already won ages ago. And they know that and if you're intelligent enough, you know this as well.
>>534608445>when did the cracks start showingWhen they went in to do sone adjustments to the Articles of Confederation, locked the doors for secrecy and came out with the con-job-stitution. Read the anti-Federalist papers or listen to them on audiobook. (they are free.) The anti-Federalists predicted exactly what would happen. Patrick Henry nailed it.
>>534609693America was just thirsty for blood after watching their twin towers fall. And they were brimming with confidence too - after Desert Storm looked like a war between alien tech and spear chucking savages
>>534608445>The American decline seems really rapid and sudden, but when did the cracks start showing, in retrospective? Was it 9/11? Or before?somwhere in the 60s. JFK assassination would be MY pick
>>534608445GWOT.The whole thing was a multi-decade exercise in futility and delusion from a country lashing out against an imagined threat, which accomplished nothing except demonstrate the limits of its hard power--lessons it immediately failed to learn.
>>534608445Around the 80s it was pretty obvious
>>534613888People claim this, and feared it'd affect most people's lives, but it barely did anything. Iran would be the same since we could push back Iranian drones away from the strait. But it is what it is.
>>534610114Nope. Initially, the US was the last white nation to fall. They resisted, the jews running the british empire declared war on them, they still managed to resist and even after momentary lapses destroyed the first 2 jewish central banks established on their soil, only to fall for good when the third (temple to moloch) central bank of america, the federal reserve (not affiliated with the federal government but fully privately-owned) was established. They then became the new center of jewish power, moving on from england which was demoted to a branch. They then were instrumental along with other subverted european powers in destroying totally, racially, cumturally, in every way, the germans who dared to try and purge the taint from themselves and fight it off. But the germans showed us that it can be done. This is why the kikes put white genocide into overdrive, because whites definitively showed that they are an existential threat to them. The muslims and other browns might be more hateful, but they lack the capabilities, so the jews are choosing to trade stability for safety from total annihilation.
>>534609217USA is a total shithole, stop larping as some great civilisation.
>>534614037Barely did anything? Who do you think will foot the bill for 20 continuous years of war?
>>534608445Kennedy, he introduced corpos to the idea of corporate governance. Immediately resulting in shit like the AR in Vietnam debacle and the like.
