I heard it could be Ahmosis 1st and Hebrew were just Hyksos, but I don't really know.Hyksos worshipped Baal and Set.Do you have information about it ?
Nothing Christian, Muslim or Jewish exists older than 1000AD.Post your best artifacts and watch me debunk them! :) I've done this before and never lost.To save some humiliation, lets lay down some ground rules and guidelines."dated paleographically" means someone DID do Hard Science(HS) dating of the materials and results, to put it mildly, didn't match, so the Curators have decided to keep results secret and not allow any more testing, due to projected loss in Tourist Revenue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketef_Hinnom_scrollsWTF does the artifact actually mean or say. My "paleo-Hebrew"(AKA not "Hebrew") and ancient Greek is a bit rusty, so we'll have to rely on other's translations. My Latin is a LITTLE better.Very generic "yeah, you guys are blessed if you pray" type stuff that generically seems to exist in any and all cultures, alone without context, isn't really proof of an otherwise very specific and INTOLERANT(of other competing dogma) religion. Even if (and its a big if) something, without other context, translates to "Israel", some other societies mere name of a region doesn't mean the society NOW using that name existed in any way. Location names seem to stick around. Witness the many feather Indian names of American States, rivers, etc.
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>>534615555Ramses II would be the exodus pharaoh.This guy would be the pharaoh that forgot Joseph since he overthrew the hyksos and removed them.Hebrews came with the hyksos, but they were not exactly the same. Both were semetic though.
>>534616271Ramses II would bring some questions. Why we didnt have no trace of exodus at this time ? Also Jericho was already destroyed at his time.I think Hyksos were mostly canaanites (sons of Canaan) while hebrew are semites (sons of Sam)
>>534615999Dead sea scrolls.
>>534616647Define the trace of exodus? There is more for the time of Ramses>Jerhico destroyedIt's been destroyed MULTIPLE times. What destruction layer are you referring?
>>534617152As much as I know, Jericho has been destroyed around -1550 BCE which match to the Hyksos exodus.I don't remember it has been destroyed an another time after.But to be honest, I don't really know, I'm trying to gather informations instead of "having right".
>>534617514Okay, that's fine. It's got multiple destruction layers, so there are many eras to the settlement. The appropriate time for exodus is around 1225 bc, and we have a definite resettlement of the area around 1400 -1300 bc. so that's plenty of time for them to restructure.
>>534616736>Dead sea scrolls.are fake and gay, just like everything else about abrahamic religions
>>534615555Dude his name was just Pharaoh, duh, that's what it says in English translations of the OT because of how particles worked in biblical Hebrew grammar. What the fuck do you mean "which pharaoh"? Asking historical questions like that is antisemetic. But yes, everything in there is 100% true history, and that's why you gotta go die for Israel.
>>534615555It was agamemnon, he enslaved egypt for a period of time.
>>534616271Wrong, his name was Pharaoh. So, kind of like a king named King. They're not gonna call him King King, that would sound dumb, like something an African would come up with.
>>534615555Exodus isn't true it's an older story evolved and achored to mundane events surrounding the time so the memory wasnt completely lost. This is basic function of myth. Most of the time it's very grounded and pretty lame where they come from.
>>534617946Cope>>534618001>>534618086Pharaoh is a retrojection for the title of king you dumbass. King Ramses II. Did you get dropped as a child or something? Not even a good trolling attempt.
>>534616736google "problems with Carbon-14 dating".guess what other great Jewish book was discovered just after WW2 to help justify "Israel" that has never been allowed to be even have complete photos of the original published?scholarship of ancient languages has increased since 1948, largely due to computers and shit.I can tell you without checking that the DSC, that has been allowed to be seen, only contain what was known prior to their 'discovery'.It will be like if an ESL Beaner from LA high school wrote something in English, but its presented as something from an 1800s British lawyer.
They didn't name the pharoah because its a fairy tale and the author didn't know any.
The Cross is a pre-0AD common pagan symbol and among other things is one of the most basic engineering structures any culture creates out of two sticks, to hang shit off of to get it off the dirt, and more visible. Its also "X marks the spot" indicator that two of the same stroke means "I meant to do that" vs "I'm a careless slob". The "Crosses" on many pre-1000AD Roman coins are a better match for the new model sword with extended hand guards that could be used without a shield either double handed Great Sword or sword and dagger, and considered bad ass and macho. Note many are curved at the point, and its either one or two, never The Holy Trinity as on some many post 1000AD churches. Some say the two represent parents and its a late Roman adoption of Egyptian "life" symbol. But I guess we don't really know due to total lack of supporting context in the vast and detailed universe of known and vetted Roman artifacts. Chi Rho means "the anointed one" in Greek and was used as that abbreviation since 200+BC. It was on Roman coins after Roman emperors started to fancy themselves demi-gods. I don't think current generalissimo calling himself a living god is very Christian. lol Probably the best claimed proof that Jews existed prior to 300AD is large candle-holder show on moment of a Roman victory in region, being carried off by Roman troops. However, in the Mel Gibson WW1 movie, an Egyptian street peddler is hawking a 5 candle version to Brit troops. Candles in a row that can be carried as a unit works for various lighting reasons. The 7 day week comes from lunar cycle which governs both land and water animal behavior and yes its 7 days as much as it is 28 or 14, as hunters and fisherman will tell you. It does "wrap" against daylight, so Egyptians (and no doubt others) used a 5 candle model with separate two other big and small. Plus, 5 candles is the Goldilocks size for using the turn-able "adjustable" candles in a row lighting feature.
>>534618347No, his name is literally Pharaoh, that is what the Bible says. Learn how to read Wnglish you dumb fucking zigger
IMO pottery/fired clay is excellent indicator of WTF was going on because:its easy to make, you just need clay and fire.everyone makes so much of it.everyone's is going to be different because is hand made from soft material. You could send a dozen guys trained to make exact same pots to diff villages who didn't have pottery and next generation you'd be able to ID diff villages by their pottery.once fired it lasts forever, in just about any environment.IIRC there are about 2 dozen Ethnic groups able to be IDed by their pottery in what is now Israel prior to Romans arriving. Guess which ethnic group is missing. :)Its a cottage industry in Israeli Dept of Antiquity to go around labeling any low quality broken unmarked clay frags as "proof of Ancient Israel" and "determined to be Hebrew".compare to societies that actually existed, such as Mayan, Hindu, Chinese, Olmec, Toltec, etc.You can buy that shit on Ebay and it will pass muster....even from Rick of Pawn Stars fame.
>dumb fucking pagan atheist antisemites: Hurr durr what is Pharaoh's name>me, biblical scholar and absolute pussy destroyer (משחתת כוס): RTFM>faggot babylonian illiterate: NOOOOOO THAT CAN'T BE TRUE, DA JOOZYou lost, tranny.
>>534619075>toltec>actually existed No.
>>534618023Best candidates are (sorted chronogically) :* Ahmosis 1st* Akhenathon* Ramses II
>>534619029https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_(books)
>>534615555I like Bakenranef.
>>534618001Please Mr retarded. Don't troll in this thread.
>>534619506If I'm retarded and trolling, then the entire justification for the state of Israel is retarded, and trolling. But, if you want to literally be on the wrong side of history, then be my guest.
>>534619275>toltecWTF they were all about is murky, due to low scholarship of Aztecs found by Spanish, but clearly someone existed and was building big shit, and they had a distinctive culture.Material culture at Tula GrandeAt its height, Tula Grande had an estimated population of as many as 60,000 and covered 16 square kilometers of hills, plains, valleys, and marsh.[7] Some of the most prominent examples of the Toltec material culture at the site include pyramids, ball-courts, and the Atlantean figures on top of Pyramid B.[15] Various civic buildings surrounding a central plaza are especially distinctive, as excavations show the use of columns inside these buildings and in surrounding colonnades. One of these buildings, known as Building 3, is argued to have been a symbolically powerful building for the Toltec due to its reference in architecture to the historic and mythic homes of the people's ancestors.[16]
>>534615555>ExodusCompletely made up, Strull."The Passover narrative is one of the greatest stories ever told. More than any other biblical account, the escape of the enslaved Hebrews from Egypt is the foundational story of the Jewish faith and identity, one that all Jews are commanded to pass on from generation to generation.Also, it never happened.For decades now, most researchers have agreed that there is no evidence to suggest that the Exodus narrative reflects a specific historical event. Rather, it is an origin myth for the Jewish people that has been constructed, redacted, written and rewritten over centuries to include multiple layers of traditions, experiences and memories from a host of different sources and periods." - ["For You Were (Not) Slaves in Egypt: The Ancient Memories Behind the Exodus Myth" - Haaretz, 2019](https://archive.ph/MbVFD)
>>534615999Schizophrenia
>this grenouille thinks the OT isnt 100% jewish liesLol, lmao even
>>534619503its not just that nothing claimed by "Josephus" has any evidence, its that nothing supposedly written by "Josephus" exists in any form prior to 1000AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JosephusLets remember that The Jews submitted over 4,000 pages of "authenticated photocopy" of "Nazis own records" for just one of the hoaxes, that were fully accepted by "Western" scholars and lawyers at the time, but now are "memory holed".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
>>534620110https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_steleTwo biblical scholars, Cryer and Lemche, analyzed the cracks and chisel marks around the fragment and also the lettering towards the edges of the fragments. From this they concluded that the text was in fact a modern forgery.[26] Most scholars have ignored or rejected these judgments because the artifacts were recovered during controlled excavations.[14][15][16]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avraham_BiranThe stele was discovered in 1993 in Tel-Dan by Gila Cook, a member of an archaeological team led by Avraham Biran.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$What is "unfounded" is the accusations that its a forgery are unfounded. Even without factoring in the Israeli Factor, odds are well over 1,000,000 to 1 that it would be a forgery just because there are so many forgeries compared to real artifacts. Notice how there is zero "further investigation" of these cracks and chisel marks. "Most scholars have ignored or rejected these judgments because…." Obviously, these aren't very good "scholars" because these are two distinct issues. I submit they "ignored or rejected" for exactly the same reason our Congress will routinely vote 535 to 0 in favor of Israel, without any good reason being given. "Scholars" with cushy positions will be hyper aware that, tenured or not, there are only a tiny number of such positions and if they get Black Listed for asking wrong questions their career is over, and they'd have to change their name and start selling aluminum siding in Ohio or something.
>>534615555Exodus is a fairytale
>>534620652"Work Will Make You Free" is just good solid German advice. It might not make you rich, but there will always be an open door for you. Arthur Butz was "free" to publish his book because his main gig was as a talented PhD level Electrical Engineer. Becoming a PhD EE is a lot of work and something History PhDs are simply unable to do. A guy like Butz could ditch his name, and degrees, and walk into any electronics company in any nation on Earth, and walk out 30 mins later with high paying position and fat hiring bonus."….during controlled excavations….." Doesn't sound very "controlled" to me. According to these unsupervised Jews it was "discovered" when they were rushing to pack up and "hit the road" in 1993.In 1990, I was working at a construction site with a foundation repair going on and there were issues about a few things like if water was collecting and if someone was pumping it out to make it seem like it wasn't, and if drilling into brick was being done correctly with drill setting, not hammer setting, etc and they set up 3 different cameras to run 24/7, because that was a CHEAP and EASY way to show everything was on the up and up, and to save money on extra inspections and site visits.https://cojs.org/how_i_discovered_the_-house_of_david-_inscription-_gila_cook-_cojs/
>>534617946Whats fake about them? I noticed you nerds can NEVER answer that question
>>534620735A few minutes later Biran yelled out again in his booming voice, “Come down already!”---he was impatient to hit the road and was irritated that I was holding things up. Finally I finished and came down the ancient stone road, through the Iron Age gates and plopped down my bag, drawing boards and measuring rod next to a wall in Area A at the eastern edge of the ancient piazza. I bent down to lean the optical level machine and tripod down against a basalt stone at what seemed to be the southern end of a wall. Something on the exposed tip of the next still-buried stone caught my eye, but I looked away for a moment as I began to dismantle the level from the tripod. In this brief interval, my mind registered what I had seen. I looked again and said to myself, “Oh! These are Hebrew or Phoenician letters!……"Fragments B1 and B2 were found in June 1994.[5] The stele was not excavated in its "primary context", but in its "secondary use".[6] ###############################################################Carving words into rock would be pretty rare and they just happened to use those same rocks as part of a wall as rubble?Let me guess. After finding Frag A, which was the only clearly "ancient Israel", heck, the entire Bible in fact, thingy ever found in history….they still couldn't AFFORD to set up monitoring CCTV at the site, not even 24/7, but maybe just for when they were digging stuff up, just for their own "scholarly" reasons to help them remember where they got stuff from. Or maybe Rabbis ruled that filming was not allowed, because we all know how often cameras were mentioned in the Bible.
>>534615555No one, because it never happened.The usual suspects experienced another usual minor expulsion over their usual insufferable criminal behavior, and then fabricated another one of their usual epic tales that depict them as the oppressed victims.As usual.
>>534620773The Jews would need to show WTF they are for the question "fake or real" to even be considered.I give props to the Catholic Church to allow bonafide skeptics to VERY PUBLICALLY run PEER REVIEWED tests on The Shroud of Turin.The fact the Jews refuse pretty much says it all, same as Holohoax sites.
>>534619387>AkhenathonMy bet is that Exodus is actually the old clergy purging Aten's cult and the survivors moving to the Levant, where their monoteism gave form to judaism.
>>534615555It was the Ethiopean king. The jews were slaves of africans, and they tried to retcon it out of embarrassmentMoses’s wife was a black african woman too, they forgot to change that in the rabbinical texts
BASED professor Jiang Xueqin just recently dropped a TRVTH NVKE video called "The Origin of Evil" and it is great. The guy exposes the entire foundation of elite religion, mystery cults, Freemasonry, occult rituals.No schizo rambling, no esoteric LARPing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgGfQdv_rPc [Embed]Yes he's Chinese. Yes he might be CCP. Idgaf, the content speaks for itself.
Ramses II big enough megalomaniac. Problem is Exodus is a hodgepodge of historical events. Mythology basically. The real reason for wandering for 40 years. Egyptians controlled Canaan while he was alive. They had to wait for the Hittite empire to collapse and the Egyptians give up their buffer territory. All those battles with Hittites were remnant warlords. A closer look at historical events in the Bible even admits to a treaty with the Egyptians later. Heebs were allowed to run a tiny buffer kingdom for convenience to Egyptians.
>>534615555Hebrews are Hyksos and Exodus is describing their expulsion during the erruption of Santorini. Even the names match.https://armstronginstitute.org/835-the-hyksos-evidence-of-jacobs-family-in-ancient-egypt
>>534619220Add consonents or ay it out loud, your scribbles mean nothing to me
>>534615555>Exoduswas never real
>>534621565That’s interesting. I haven’t heard that before but I have seen many times that Solomon had a son with the queen of Sheeba- Melenik 1st and he was a king of Ethiopia who Solomon gifted the ark the covenant. Some say he stole the ark but even if he did the fact the ark allowed itself to be stolen indicates it was the rightful property of Melenik. To this day, the Ethiopian Coptic Christians claim they have the ark
>>534623642You read a story, but it doesn't occur to you for a second to ponder how realistic anything in it is? Why the FUCK would a king give such a massively valuable weapon to the son of some foreign floozy, who would take it thousands of miles away?
>>534623556R, T, F, and M are all consonants, peabrain. It stands for Read The Fucking Manual, but I guess you're under 35 and don't know how to use a computer the right way.
>>534621565Jews were blacked way before that. Abraham is partially a descendant of Ham. Usually overlooked due to the fact that it was just one great grandfather who married into Shem's descendants.
>>5346242841- I said that’s how the story goes and it’s been repeated many many times. I didn’t say it was true.2- you simply believing that that’s not the case has nothing to do with what is and is not true. What makes sense is not the arbiter of what is real. People do things that defy common sense all the time for any number of reasons.
>>534624284How realistic is the story of Moses at all? Found in the reeds by the river of possible divine origin/ talks to God by way of a burning bush and is given tablets of law made out of Sapphire. It’s not as if realistic really matters in such cases, is it? Solomon commanding demons isn’t extremely pragmatic either, is it?
>>534619951>Atlantean figures on top of Pyramid why do they want Atlantis to be connected with native central americans so much?
>>534625978Cyclopean architecture is an ancient, megalithic construction method using massive, irregularly shaped limestone boulders fitted together without mortar, leaving minimal gaps.
