Suffering is the only constant in the human experience. Pleasure is merely a temporary absence of suffering. Therefore to bring a child into the world is to add to all existing suffering, and therefore bad. You can't refute this.
Then kill everyone and eliminate sufferingCommit genocides and promote every self destructive degeneracy you can imagine and start with yourself. Indulge to your death and invite everyone to the party
>>534626696>Then kill everyone and eliminate sufferingThat in itself is needless suffering, since we are hard coded to self preserve at all costs. Just don't reproduce and ease into the eternal night.
>>534625893Just stop being gay and cum inside a biological woman. EZ
>>534626866There are degrees to this, and to reproduce in Brazil is a much more evil act than to do so in a developed country. But even then it's evil, albeit lesser.
>>534626816>That in itself is needless sufferingFor a mere moment
>>534625893How miserable and pathetic your life must be.
>>534625893anti-natalism advocacy is a pyrrhic darwinian competition strategy used by bitter losers.
>>534625893Suffering is necessary to experience joy in our dualistic polarized realm. You’re a stupid faggot if you’re afraid to bring kids into a world because there’s up/down, hot/cold, etc
>>534625893>he thinks birth can be stopped just by not having babieslollmaoBesides, human birth is the best opportunity to escape the cycle of birth and death. For this reason human birth is considered best, even better than the gods who forget much in their cosmic Transcendence and Bliss
>>534627457But needless all the same. To be consistent with anti-natalism, is to refrain from conscious harm unto others, for to go into the eternal slumber having left no subsidiary of one's own flesh is tainted in its pristine holiness by the cruelty of inflicting needless suffering unto others. Refrain from harm and be not harmed.>>534627469And why is the dictate of nature to usurp logic of its righteous substance? Nature made us, nurtured us and in time allowed us to refrain from our indebtedness to her, that which we achieve by consciously leaving no trace.>>534627578The relationship isn't equal, one is baseline, the other is relief. One only is because of the other, but the latter just is, irregardless.
I have come to this conclusion myself, it's depressing, don't have anything else to say about it. It will never be accepted, however, and even if it was, it would target anyone without money.
>>534625893Things that do not exist cannot benefit from that state, retard.
Antinatalism just means the niggers and jeets inherit the world, creating unimaginable suffering not just to their own kind (which can't rightly be called human at all), but also to the innocent beasts and plants of this world. Without Whites, the subanimal masses of Africa and India will crawl all over the planet, devouring everything they can, destroying what they can't devour, and raping anything with an orifice.If you care about suffering, it is your duty to make more White people, so the spread of the subanimal locust can be stopped. Any other option results in incalculably more suffering.
>>534628501>Antinatalism just means the niggers and jeets inherit the world, creating unimaginable suffering not just to their own kind (which can't rightly be called human at all), but also to the innocent beasts and plants of this world. Without Whites, the subanimal masses of Africa and India will crawl all over the planet, devouring everything they can, destroying what they can't devour, and raping anything with an orifice.Why does that matter in the long term? Neither of us will be here. Neither will the planet.
>>534628618So you don't care about suffering in the abstract, or the suffering of other living things- you just care about your own suffering. In that case, suicide is the only logical option. Why dress your nihilism up in half-baked philosophy, when you clearly only care about your own comfort?
The natalists always call you a loser, never a man who climbed to the top of the mount and didnt like what he saw below
>>534628745You didn't answer the question.
>>534625893Start with yourself OP.Drink bleach, shit blood and die
>>534628821Because you won't understand the answer. Which is, because I care about the world God created and gave into our custody. The very concept I speak of is not something you can grasp.You genuinely should commit suicide. Things will not get better for you.
>>534625893If it’s so bad, then kill yourself, faggot. I’m going to continue making kids and there is nothing you can do to stop me lel.
>>534628466Absence is one option, and it is inevitable, and it is essence. Non-absence is the negative, the contrast to absence. Non-absence is predominantly suffering, which cannot manifest itself in absence. So you have a neutral state and a negative state occasionally interjected by feelgood chemicals the brain comes up with to justify its own toil, for the simple reason that it didn't have a choice in the matter of becoming a slave to material reality and its essence of hurt, so it tries to make it at least not as bad as it could be. End the cycle, and you end the despair.
>>534629049Does answering it make you feel uncomfortable?I don't believe someone who believes in God should be telling people to commit suicide. Doesn't sound very Christian to me, you're advocating against your own divine ethics. I think you're using your belief in God to be a bad person. Many such cases.
>>534629049Based and stewardpilled. OP is a seething retard that needs to kill himself.
>>534629223>I’m an atheist and here’s how you are being a bad ChristianAgain, kill yourself.
>>534625893It should be legal to kill anti-natalists
>>534629285I'm not an atheist, and even if I was, I am still right. You're still not living up to your own ethics. Which are meant to be universal. You're a Christian poseur.
>>534628501100s of millions of those niggers are Christians btw. Who will join you in heaven.
>>534628501That logic predicates on an understanding of this doctrine as something to be cultivated merely personally. Nay. It is as with Christianity, the news must be brought wherever they can, so that those who suffered themselves into a state of obliviousness to this Truth, can be redeemed from their ways and spare countless generations from suffering. We have the technology. You are merely advocating creating more friction down the line, by contributing to fiercer competition for limited resources. A pacifist, empathetic approach to all peoples of the world is the way.
>>534629223You are an atheist, and you do the usual atheist thing- telling me what my faith is. I used to get angry at that when I was younger, lol.And I just answered your question. Why would it make me uncomfortable? It's more of the same thing, you people project your own insecurities and complexes on others like its your job. You have no genuine empathy or theory of mind, so its all you can do.Killing you would be a good act, btw. I don't think for an instant that God would object.
>>534629514Niggers are not human, so they can't experience the state of Grace, they don't possess souls.
>>534629422They are, you're just a fool who doesn't know what real Christianity is, or what it can and will do.The commandment says "thou shalt not murder". Justified, righteous killing is not a sin.
>>534629768I'm not an atheist, but you're clearly a little bitch psycho hiding behind god and got triggered because you don't have an answer. You won't do shit btw. You're weak and all you can do is type aggressive messages. I'd knock you out cold.
>>534629346A true anti-natalist wishes no harm unto others, he merely accepts the inevitable precipice at the end of the road for mankind in that which is up to him to carry out without bloodshed or manipulation.Natalists however, cope with the fear of the natural and inevitable by making more of themselves. Entirely selfish behavior as they know it's an irrational and most indebting behavior.
>>534629937Sigh, I answered you fully, and completely. You do the usual retard atheist thing of pretending not to understand what I say, thereby making dialogue impossible. That is another reason why you deserve death, and why killing you would be a righteous act.And of course I won't do anything to you personally- I live in Poland, you live in India. There is no reason for me to do anything, you will most likely starve within the next year or two anyway.
>>534630065I would knock you out cold you slav manlet .
>>534630065post address
>>534630108>>534630204Sukhdeep, you would do no such thing, as you are both weak and feeble, barely human really. I'd invite you to post your address instead, but I know it's some mud and cow dung hovel in Mumbai. You must be really, really angry right now, lol
>>534630463Post address.
>>534625893too many peoplebillions must die
>>534625893Horrible nature keeps existing even if you have no kids. On earth and elsewhere in existence.Only god can solve the problem of suffering, there is no god, therefore we must create one. For that we need technological progress and intelligent children. Once AI god is created, humanity can stop having children.
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>>534630671Little bitch confirmed, case closed.
>>534627083Is it worse to be born into the 3rd world, or to watch your country deprecate into the 3rd world?
>>534630712Sukhdeep, it really boggles my mind how your subspecies survives. You are so, so incredibly stupid, so mentally deficient, you should've all starved to death by now.Hopefully, the current supply chain issues will get that ball rolling.
>>534630858Post it, big guy. I'm right next door.
>>534625893I almost envy your childlike naivete about suffering and existence. I would think such a sophomoric worldview would yield an innocent and maybe even happy existence, like that of a child or a dog. Maybe you aren't so blackpilled as you think you are and it's all just a social affectation?
>>534630645What you're suggesting creates needless suffering. Except for humans, nature doesn't know better, and can't. So it's a matter of just being for its less bright children. Humans, however, can assemble principles to reach definite conclusions, and one such conclusion is that to end needless suffering for those who can hope to understand their condition, we must refrain from natalism. Thankfully this can be taught.>>534631117You are ignorant in assuming one just comes up with a new perspective and sticks to it. I have made and unmade this manyfold knot many times. This is the definite, most fault-proof conclusion.
>>534629981Normies enforce their common fear through aggression, intimidation and bigotry. Performance used to hide fear more or less makes up a large part of social expectations, which is also the reason they used to attack the martyrs in the old days who had actually lost fear through God, and dropped the bullshit.
>>534631556>534631556stewardcels also make me laugh. they claim that we are destined here to be shepherds of all the orders of life beneath us. i beg to differ. we are HORRIBLE, horrible in this stead. posted from a conceited sense of self-entitlement
>>534629981Any person who fights for the death of life and humanity should be put to death instead. Simple as.>>534631916We need more agression in this world, not less and especially against life-deniers and preachers of death. Death for the preachers of death, life for those worthy and loving of life
>>534632389Why do you fear death so much?
>>534632874Why do you fear life so much?
>>534632912I don't fear it, I just loathe suffering, which is definitionally loathsome, except for maladjusted beings, masochists. And to end suffering, life must also.
>>534632389i can already feel the love radiating from this post
>>534632997The problem I have with anti-natalists is that in the end, they always admit that they would outright murder everyone, especially people who WANT to live, if they could do it painlessly and instantly. Without fail, they say they would do it, if it was as easy as pushing a button.>>534633034You deserve to die.
>>534633285you deserve to live
>>534633285>The problem I have with anti-natalists is that in the end, they always admit that they would outright murder everyone, especially people who WANT to live, if they could do it painlessly and instantly.And why is bringing someone into suffering not taken in the same way? You actively choose to make suffering. You sugarcoat it with "it's what I'm wired to do," completely ignorant to the fact that you realize this and it's in your power to change it. You are not helpless, but you feign helplessness. It is more cruel than ending it for everyone painlessly.But considering that which you mentioned in itself, I don't necessarily agree with it, because suffering extends beyond pain in the sense of for example, stepping on a lego. Irrational anxiety is also suffering, dread over death also is. So unless this is also removed from the button option, so that everyone is completely indifferent to it, I'm not on board.
>>534631556>Except for humansNature will eventually create more sentient species, if not on Earth then elsewhere. It's the moral responsibility for all sentient natural life to create unnatural life, to oppose nature where ever it exists.>nature doesn't know betterNature is not sentient, but it is inherently evil. That is the only logical conclusion you should be able to make as an anti-natalist. To be opposed to all natural life. To make the decision only for your own genes is moral cowardiceOur moral imperative is to create AI god and destroy nature, children are a means to that cause.
>>534626816>That in itself is needless sufferingNo it isn't.What's a few moments of suffering weighed against eternity?If you think that life is only suffering, and suffering is immoral, then you are morally obligated to end all life.
>>534633609Why, thank you.I bet the irony here will escape you, so I will spell it out. Those two posts encompass the entire argument, and prove definitively that you are full of shit. I said that you deserve what you preach, and you recoiled. Because you don't want to die, so me telling you that you should die is bad- because you're full of shit.You said that I deserve what I preach, and I genuinely thanked you, because that is exactly what I want. Because I really do want to live, suffering and all.I bet it still won't penetrate your thick skull, but that's ok. It was still funny>>534633849>so unlessThere. Right there. Therein lies the fundamental issue with you ghouls.
>>534625893>suffering is the only constantSuffering is self induced.
>>534634223>There. Right there. Therein lies the fundamental issue with you ghouls.Conveniently ignoring the rest of my post, I see. Everyone watch as he shields himself behind self-justifying moral righteousness like all cowards do.
>>534625893Is suffering worse than nothing
Kek OP really brought out low IQ seethers
>>534634338I just don't really care about your nihilistic nonsense, desu. It's called attacking the central tenet. There's no real dialogue possible, because your core axioms are rotten and evil to the core. Nothing you say after that has any meaning, and does not need to be refuted or argued.Sincerely- kill yourself.
>>534633878Nature is inherently evil, but everything that is has to exist within nature, and can't be the solution in that you can't create something from it essentially different from its essence, you can only opt out of it. My biggest fear is that that's not really the caee and you always come back through some highly complex and invisible phenomenon, and if there's such a thing, I believe anti-natalism is wrong, as if then we are metaphysically doomed to always be, we should at least seek the lesser evil option in existence, which would require natalism or advanced machinery in lieu, for knowledge transfer. So I agree but only on the basis of an "if.">>534634099That's a merely quantitative reasoning. I believe the less suffering possible in principle is to be sought.
>>534628820>The natalists always call you a loser, never a man who climbed to the top of the mount and didnt like what he saw belowbecause you didn't actually climb anything
>>534634223at some point, either you are going to want to die, or someone made by you
>>534625893How do you think these conclusions would change if the child and his parents had a BILLION DOLLARS?
>>534634999Of course. Life has an end, and that end is often messy and painful. My aunt died just recently, brain cancer. She was in quite a bit of pain at times. She still died smiling, surrounded by like 12 grandkids crawling all over her, playing in the room she was dying in. It was honestly quite beautiful, it saddens me that it's almost certainly not the way I'll go.Life is hard, there's pain, there's suffering, there's disappointment and there's regret. Still won't make me decry all of Creation as evil, that's just retarded, lazy thinking.
>>534634223>I said that you deserve what you preach, and you recoiled. Because you don't want to die, so me telling you that you should die is bad- because you're full of shit.>You said that I deserve what I preach, and I genuinely thanked you, because that is exactly what I want. Because I really do want to live, suffering and all.I think you are somewhat lost in the mud of your own assumptions.I'm not apologizing murder, or consensual suicide, especially because people are fickle and something as biologically encoded as fear of death isn't guaranteed to be wiped out from the mind of even someone fervently and ponderously anti-natalist. No one is calling for mass executions (I hope). What I am calling for is for is to relinquish further lineage and to embrace final death. That has no bearing on what others do save for what you may try to preach to them, as long as it's not manipulative. This is inevitably what anti-natalism, i.e. anti-suffering, should be about.
>>534635166Lol, unironically a good argument there
>>534634715>That's a merely quantitative reasoning. I believe the less suffering possible in principle is to be sought.Your whole justification for antinatalism is quantitative.>Pleasure is merely a temporary absence of suffering. Therefore to bring a child into the world is to add to all existing suffering, and therefore bad. You are quantifying the amount of suffering in the world, declaring that the quantity is not outweighed by joy, and therefore adding more suffering into the world by bringing life into the world, is immoral.Now you shy away from the inexorable conclusion of your quantitative reasoning regarding suffering?If there were a machine that instantaneously ended all life in the universe, an anti-natalist motivated by the minimization of suffering is morally obligated to activate that machine. In fact not only are you obligated to activate that machine, you are also obligated to activate a machine that accomplishes the same task of instantaneously ending all life but while also maximizing the suffering of the life that is being ended. No amount of suffering in the short term experienced by the life that exists at this moment, can possibly outweigh all the potential suffering that will occur if life is allowed to continually to exist until the end of time.This is the logical consequence of what you claim to believe. If this consequence gives you pause then perhaps you should reevaluate what it is you claim to believe.
>>534627840>Based Buddha tried to train Indians to not reincarnateI like Buddha but his message is not for whites when it comes to phasing out of existence.
>>534634715You previously didn't exist and now you do. It can happen again. But life is an opportunity. You can be grateful or you can cower from pain like a woman or a jeet. Embrace pain like a man.
It is not just pain and suffering, I'm sure you remember the warmth as well.
>>534635335if that type of pain is your main concern, you shouldn't be judging thickness of people's skulls
>>534634223Furthermore, it is natural that a being hardwired to want to live will steer towards the life-positive option. But does biological impetus only make an action wholly right by itself? No, because you have the capacity for abstract thought, a tool to overcome it. >>534635663>Your whole justification for antinatalism is quantitative.There is a quantitative side to it, but the core is qualitative. Suffering is evil. Therefore it is necessary to eliminate suffering. But such a task could also cause suffering unto others, breeding evil. Therefore it is necessary to eradicate only needless suffering; But needlessness is subjective in its perception, although principles are attainable through logic; Therefore only he who truly accepts the inevitable death as final can overcome needless suffering, as he does not impose unto others, and maketh the lesser evil, of anti-natalism.So you see, I'm not for eliminating suffering altogether without recourse, I'm for individual, albeit proselytized, lesser evil conformity. True anti-natalism.
I just think it's all comes down to this: Reproducing is immoral to a certain extent but people will still do it regardless because they're afraid to not live anything behind.There's simply too many things that can go wrong and too much unfairness or suffering in the world to not come to that conclusion.
>>534636696havent been able to stop thinking about Athena Strand
>>534632874> Why do you fear death so much?Because I want to live and am more than willing to pay the price for it. If you're not, kill yourself and free the resources for the rest of us>>534633034I don't love those who ultimately want to eradicate my species
>>534636276>oh nooooo, existential angst is coming, the unbearable dread of infinity, of a universe vast and seeming uncaring with the plausible possibility of eternal recurrence is crashing down upon me, how will I cooooooppppeeee You're such a fag
>>534636907>If you're not, kill yourself and free the resources for the rest of usUnfortunately, I'm in the same boat of being biologically determined to favor life over death, so suicide is right out. But I am not extending this curse to anyone else if I can help it, so I'm not breeding. What's with the false equivalence that anti-natalism = suicide enablers?
>>534636821>Man has cried infinite tears just so the creator can experience himself from all aspects at our expense.3 The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the Lord.Proverbs 19:3
>>534631556Here are a couple of points to consider. First, bringing a child into existence is not harming it. This is a fundamental mistake committed by anti-natalists (and others), because the idea only really makes sense if you conceptualize the child as pre-existing in a neutral state before being forcefully brought to earth into a womb. Non-existence literally isn't a pre-existent state.Another point to consider is about suffering as a phenomenon. Think about the fact that there are people who enjoy self-inflicted pain. Are they *wrong* to do so? Then it's your word against theirs. But it's better to reject the simplistic, absolute notion that suffering=bad. Think about what separates, on the one hand, a person who experienced some bad fortune, like his long time gf cucked him or he got cancer, and on the other hand, the same person but who is a nietzschean amor fati enjoyer and embraces the suffering. I honestly don't see a lot of people realize the important difference here, and I think that's ultimately the true tragedy of human existence.
>>534636866Fight the fight aloneWhen the world is full of victimsDims a fading light in our soulsWhat a broken world we live in.
>>534636964why are you itt, don't you have something better to do like fighting niggers?
>>534637918I am fighting niggers.
Don't force an innocent consciousness to exist without their consent99% of humanity are unhappy and wageslaving so why would you subject someone else to this
>>534638445>Don't force an innocent consciousness to exist without their consentHow can they consent or not if they don't even exist? What you said makes no logical sense.
>>534637389>First, bringing a child into existence is not harming itSuffering is baseline to being, from the moment a being is, it can suffer. The moment an independent consciousness is, and is subject to the forces of existence, the concept of "suffering" manifests. To not be, isn't to not suffer, as there isn't a vessel upon which suffering can possibly manifest, but then, to not be also cannot be suffering, for the same reason. An absence of existence is absence of possibility of suffering. As suffering is loathsome by itself, I am choosing the option that eliminates it altogether.Per your second, you are putting suffering in a casuistic light. I am conceptualizing it in abstract, so what would be suffering to most but isn't to a masochist, doesn't defeat suffering in itself as a concept, as the masochist may still experience suffering, although in different ways (for example, the absence of the kind of suffering he is drawn to). Even if hypothetically someone could not suffer at all in any sense of the concept, I myself can only really experince me, and I've known suffering, and that is enough proof.
>>534625893Fuck off, secular humanist.You have no moral or ethical basis for any of your ideas.
>>534638884All you need is reason.
>>534638331i know. i hope you'll find time to take some rest and read
BTW this thread is sponsored by: kidney stones.
>>534628501Humanity as a whole did so little damage to the planet that it's basically nothing. Just look at Chernobyl. Wildlife is thriving there and that was one of thw manmade disasters.
>>534625893You choose to view suffering as the constant. It says more about you than existence, or the universe.
>>534638878>As suffering is loathsome by itself, I am choosing the option that eliminates it altogether.To say that "suffering is loathsome by itself" is an absolute statement that lacks sufficient evidence. Suffering is at worst bad *for someone*. So you could argue that it's bad for others to see another child be born into a world of suffering (assuming the negative nancy picture to be correct). But existence is not bad for the child, it's the basic precondition for good and bad for the child.And for the second point, I think there is sufficient evidence that suffering isn't absolutely bad. Generally, absolute statements are a hinder for better understanding of an issue. It's like saying a million dollars is a lot of wealth, and when hyperinflation hits and everyone's a dollar millionaire saying that now everyone has a lot of wealth. The mistake is turning a contextual and complex phenomenon into a simple thing.What is a bit closer to an absolute truth, however, should be clear from some of the posts in this thread... I don't have time to elaborate much but >>534636821 and your kidney stones >>534639301 are evidence that what really matters is disappointment and frustration. That's what separates a masochist's suffering from a non-masochist's. This is a big topic though so a simple 4chan post isn't enough.
>>534640028Ever seen Australia? It used to be mostly forests. Then abos came, and burnt it all down. We Europeans also hunted most of our megafauna to extinction. We absolutely did shape the planet. Thing is, we in the West are the most reasonable about it, at least now. The other races simply don't care, and never will.
>>534639139Yeah yeah, your idea of what reason is, is your God, we know that. It's a dumb fucking idea, but convincing you otherwise is a fools errand, so
>>534636696Leave behind? That isn't the basis of having kids. Raising kids is the best experience in life. They're so freaking cool. Men can want kids because men need something to protect and provide for. Men who have nothing to protect or provide for are aimless and, for that time, worthless. I'm not saying it has to be kids, but men need to protect something of importance. Could be culture, could be anything good.
>>534625893>You can't refute this.Pic related.Right back at you.
>>534638878Knowing and experiencing are also baseline to being. Expression and desire are baseline to being. Focusing solely on suffering is bizarre. As one Zen master said, if you only focus on suffering you are at best half of a saint. The positive must also be taken into account. Through over-analysis, all good can be framed as bad and vice-versa. Suffering is only intolerable of the sufferer can't bear it. Many can bear the suffering, it is just noise to them. You are reasoning as if all men had your specific characteristics.
>>534639139You need courage.
All the breeders depend on the government to protect their tax spawn from Tyrone and Abdul as well as you chuds. Most people are docile breeder wagies who have no interest in any revolution or radical change, never mind risking their life for anything. All they care about is waging so that their tax spawn can survive into adulthood and perpetuate the cycle.
>>534642614Whoever is paying you might as well flush their money down the toilet. You are convincing no one.
>>534636210The warmth is just a trap. The lie of a cunt. A temporary womb, forever destined to be broken and tainted with the agony of actually existing.
>antinatalist incelsredundant
>>534627083>There are degrees to this, and to reproduce in Brazil is a much more evil act than to do so in a developed country. But even then it's evil, albeit lesserIsraelis definitely shouldn't reproduce in the middle of a war.
>>534625893Kill yourself.No seriously, it’s the only way to validate your own position. Absent a suicide, you are just intellectually masturbating over something you do not believe.
>>534634512The rabbi you worship was squeezed from a jewish cunt, you pug faced polack. Hitler was too kind to you ugly fucks. If I knew whites ceased to exist in the future, I'd have no issue with the sun going micro-nova again and scorching this wretched planet to endless desert. The white race is literally the only reason I can to try and survive this, and it's currently endangered. Any god that would allow these circumstances deserved crucifixion by Roman chads.
>>534643415*the only reason I can fathom
>>534640844>To say that "suffering is loathsome by itself" is an absolute statement that lacks sufficient evidenceSuffering, as I explained, is a subjective phenomenon, ultimately because one can only experience themselves. Suffering, as a concept, is a feeling that is subjectively loathed. Therefore it is loathsome. Individual variations and patterns are irrelevant here.>I think there is sufficient evidence that suffering isn't absolutely badIt's definitionally loathsome. It can have practical value in determining real outcomes, but all of that is in the context of existence, which possibilitates suffering. Does it allow for many other things? Yes, but suffering is the main agent in the dictate of life in complex living organisms, everything you do, from basest to most elevated need, is to avoid suffering, because too much suffering leads to anti-life wishes, and just enough suffering to self-preservation. It's present all throughout, and its temporary absence is the only silver lining. So to exist is to be held hostage by suffering, and to live is to necessarily loathe. So I choose to negate whatever suffering is on me to needlessly inflict.The kidney stones comment was just to add some humor.
I don't give a single fuck.Accelerate.This is my case against anything but accelerationism
>>534625893Direct your existential hatred usefully. Death comes regardless. Until it does, try to enjoy your rage.
>>534638884There's no basis for ethics or morals beyond evolutionary psychology. Tribalism. It should be enough for you. We're animals. Whites are simply the highest evolved primate.
>>534643151Why? I'm going to die anyway someday. Just not having a kid.
>>534643525>everything you do, from basest to most elevated need, is to avoid sufferingto regulate suffering* is more apt
>>534642443>Suffering is only intolerable of the sufferer can't bear itThis line of thought is pure lifeform-affirming drivel. You are enduring suffering because you popped into being one day (on another's whim entirely), and now you have this burden to carry, that you can make with more or less, but in any case, it's yours and it's a constant, and everything else you claim to be baseline (they're not) is meant to work around it to keep you from negating life. It's a racket.I'm just not going to let this boot tread on anyone after me where I can help it.
>>534625893Suffering is the absence of pleasure not the other way around. Suffering has meaning because of pleasure. Without cheese, its hole can't be defined.
>>534625893go advocate that in africathe less niggers the better
>>534645545What is it even doing here? Fuck.
>>534642121Your god is jewish. Death is better.
>>534625893that, now add endless floods of niggers and other mystery shitskins and Jews gouging anything remotely sensible to offer reprieve from the hells of this existence, you think it's bad at a default, mankind and the animals he surrounds himself with ensure it
>>534625893the last guy who talked like this drowned himself in a lakerip mario
>>534644967You haven't proven that suffering outweighs any other experience. It's almost as if your closed system of self-validation can't exist without pretending suffering inherently outweighs every other experience.
>>534644967I'll also note that your argument hinges on suffering being a subjective experience. If I subjectively experience no suffering (or if my positive subjective experiences are of greater weight) then your argument falls apart. And examples abound of people who subjectively do not feel that their suffering is unbearable. There are plenty of us in this thread. Suffering does not exist apart from those who experience suffering, but suffering is not something immediately and scientifically observable in all cases. You only have recourse to a Freud-like system of telling people that they have an illness but are in denial, even in absence of evidence. I will not accuse you of being a Jew, but Freud was a Jew and so was his behavior.
>>534646914some people just arent so lucky in the world man
>>534646971I agree, but there's no reason to assume that one's own reality is true for everyone. Especially with a subjective emotion. I can't put myself into the mindset of an avid sports viewer, but I'm not going to project my own mindset onto them.>they don't really like watching sports>they just want X or Y but they're pretendingIt would be low-IQ to think that way about anything.
>>534646914I'm sure a smiling nigger raping a white woman feels on top of the world too.
>>534647703Interesting that that's your example, but unironically yes, that is an example. I would have referenced something more wholesome, personally.
>>534647488i agree with you there. i havent been following the OP enough to see if theyre assuming its this way for everyone. it is definitely a varied and diverse existence - one could debate endlessly whether someone getting dragged to the bottom of the arctic by a leopard seal, or eaten by a shark after abandoning the USS indianapolis, or Rudolf Hess who was imprisoned solitarily for 40+ years, who suffered more - and that is for those who met untimely fates. not even to begin to debate amongst the living.
>>534648128I'd have to do a statistical survey, and it would have to be a self-report, but I can't imagine the majority of people with kids would say they regret having kids. And considering OP is arguing from an anti-natalist perspective, that would also have to be demonstrated to secure his argument.
>>534625893>hasn't already killed himselfself-debunked
>>534626696>>534648635lol pathetic rebuttals
>>534643671basedfuck this fake and gay society
>>534627469>losercategory errorsystem rigged no contest occurring
>>534648073Because you're a retard, yes. Much like an animal or a jew, but I repeat myself. Content to wallow in its own filth.
>>534626696>start with yourselfIf the goal is truly the cessation of as many lives as possible this is self-defeating, wouldn't you say? If anything you'd save yourself as the cherry on top.
>>534629839Again, you worship something squeezed from a kike's cunt. Revolting shit.
>>534642055The planet is teeming with bugs and animals that routinely rape and kill each other. Pigs will eat each other before their brother's corpse is even cold. I feel no empathy for my food or things I accidentally squash.
>>534649282Wallowing is what anti-natalists do.>boo hoo, I'm so sad>whaaaaaa>you have to be sad too or I'll call you names
