Atheists were right
>>534636259Energy cannot be destroyed and you're that, when you die your life actions will dictate your future life, it's like a test you pass you get to heaven a better life or hell a worse life based on your wrong doings until you fix that. God ain't no judge it's just a system you align with it you live well, you don't your life will be shit
>>534636603How do you know that?
>>534636259For racist whites there isnt an afterlife youdie when you die
>>534636259I'm atheist but Matt should never have declined and rage quit that debate with Andrew.
>>534636259The fictional "caller" is incorrect on point 3. God gave human beings free will, meaning a will of their own. He does not compel humans to do or not do anything. Because of this, no, God is not responsible for sending people to hell. The responsibility is on those people, individually, to decide whether they wish to obey God's Law or not.People send themselves to Hell. Not God.
Here is your “atheist”:>cannot perceive all light that can be created>already knows lower level lifeforms cannot perceive the vastness of higher forms through direct empirical observation (ants will never comprehend Wagner, Beethoven, geopolitics, or why their colony is being bulldozed for by a construction tractor)Now with this impressive collection of intellect, the atheist claims there are no higher life forms. Yea, retardation comes in many forms, especially from mid wits who figured out middle in college level arguing tactics that only work on surface level retards freshman year
>>534636259No shit moron. Everybody is born an atheist. Religion is man made mental illness.
>>534636259>DEUS VULTall of religion is in the realm of self proving assertions because nobody knows until after they die and then it is too late so
>>534636259Jannies used to clean up low quality bait threads. Now the jannies = trannies and this site is filled with niggerloving fetish pornography
>>534636259Even God himself is an atheist.
>>534636259>you dont have free will claim at pic 3no baldie, thats not how it goes
>>534637839Lmao at being this low iq.
>>534636931I’d take that over living with Christian niggers in heaven.
>>534636259Now watch try to debunk Deism without seething
>>534636259>does anything happen that goes against God’s willYes. All the time. The Bible is very clear about this.Why do atheists think that being smarter than a retard who doesn’t understand their own religion makes them right?
>>534637147Andrew insulted his husband and exhibited Andrew’s primary argument was unassailable, I think it was appropriate to leave.
>>534636259Atheists wrongfully assume point #3 is true
>>534639841>he never watched the Boondocks
>someone without any meaningful responsibilities perplexed and surprised that god (or anyone less than god, even) might have responsibilities???
Gay slide thread gay gay gay niggers tongue my anus. Do not engaging with the atheist niggars sarrs. They doing the argue in the bad faith and having very problem with the suicide sarrs.
>>534637839Then why call him God?
>>534636603you radiate energy 24/7, moron
>>534636259Matt dillahunty married a tranny.Ray comfort, creationist, eats a banana. Tj kirk, atheist, sticks it up his ass.Internet atheism was a way for jews to attack christianity. Very few atheists ever criticized Islam and never ever mentioned Judaism. Atheism is a euphemism for apostate or Satanist.Internet athiesm died when jews made atheism+ aka atheism+feminim, which the skeptical atheists immediately called out as bullshit.
>>534637839Question. Why is free will a good thing? Shouldn't I want to be controlled by an omnibenevolent being? It seems like it would create the most good in the world if He just did everything Himself.
>>534638120>especially from mid wits who figured out middle in college level arguing tactics? that's exactly what you're doing with your god of gaps style argument. you're only saying "well ants don't get us, so there MUST be a big being that we dont get" only you're saying you do get it as well, lmao. even in your own analogy, you would be the ant who "knows" these bigger beings, retard
Smug internet atheists only ever "debate" with idiot mom and pop Christians. They never debate actual theologians or clergy. Should tell you all you need to know.
Suggesting an enslaved/puppeted/etc. created being can truly love is a logical impossibility that attempts to redefine love into something it is not. As it is impossible for an omnibenevolent being to do evil and if this being declares that love is the greatest good then to create a sentient being (in your own image no less) without the ability to choose and therefore love (as you do) would by definition be evil and thus impossible.
>>534636259AMEN SISTER
>>534636259yes, existence popped into being magicallyand your came from a shrimp that crawled out of the oceanyou fucking nigger brained moron wouldn't just the gay government astral projection programs prove this to be wrong without really needing a single other thing?
>>534644318Because He gave you a chance to enjoy His creation. And it was a very kind thing to do.
>>534636839he's just making it up, like every lying christkike does
>>534646882Oh no, don't forget they are not larping theists they are just stupid malfunctioning flesh chunks.
>>534646607The smartest person in the world’s ultimate plan is to exterminate the human race so that she can read books alone in a bunker without even the remotest possibility of ever being bothered man what a fucking shitty show
>>534636259>God is responsible for everything which means he doesn't exist.Wat.
>>534640401>Why do atheists think that being smarter than a retard who doesn’t understand their own religion makes them right?Because atheists are also retards.
>>534647094why don't you allow comments?
>>534636259the end of time and the repeating of time is the same as death and rebirth, we move in a circle as does the world.This will be confirmed in the UFO Docs that we come from a far flung future where we meet our end on Mars and constantly repeat over and over again. >Born on planet.>Terraform other planet.>Move to planet while old world rests.>New Earth.>Repeat back and forth.>Its just repeating.
>>534636259I dunno i m more like a liberal god however i would send subhuman hacker nsa trannies, leftists and greedy nose billionaires straight to hell.I can sense their subhumanness through the screen or whatever they are trying to convey.In a way their essence is also like an insult.
>>534636259> No afterlife no godBut this doesn't mean that you become nothing. Picrel was a staunch atheist.
>>534644962Nope. I am saying Agnostics are more logically sound than Athiests. But I had to spoon feed you that because you have no ability for second or third order implications, you simply get stuck in the angry phase of trying to outdo the other person’s argument and this is why you fail.
It's not that tricky retard. Is God omnipotent? Is God all good? So does he allow Satan he allows Satan to exist or he can't stop him? Either way he either isn't omnipotent or all good. Christian God is a logical contradiction because they people who invented him were dumb. Even the greeks understood this child level philosophy.
>>534647533Ok interesting. Explain why
>>534636603Get this universalist shit out of here
>>534647049Idk its kind of based that the smartest person in the world is a retarded black woman, in an older world it would be called a satire on today's climate, but we all know its just millennial writing gone wild
>>534636931Racism is not a sin.Can you tell me where it says to lay with other tribes?
>>534646577>thinks love is an emotional feeling when your penis is getting sucked
>>534642910>sarrsyeah we get it, you're the idiot religious paki jeet who cant live without fantasy characters because the white devil's teachings are boko haram
>>534638120Midwit means midway to an actually intelligent person. The other end of that spectrum are useless mysticism idiots like you and every crystal astrology cunt. Your gibberish is pure monkey primate genes looking for a hierarchy. You need a super mega alpha chimp placeholder.
>>534647682It's philosophy class bullshit of the type he claimed to be against. Atheist or not is a binary question. If a storm is coming, do you pray, lay out sea shells, do any hocus pocus ritual, or are you a-theism, without theism.
>>534640492His husband was only mentioned after Delaney was already on his way out the door and called him a jackass. The had already quit well before that.
>>534636931what is that? It's not even a haiku wtf are you trying to do?
>>534649248I still want to know why he thinks that if he isn't trolling
>>534636603>energyMidwits favorite buzzword.
>>534636259>le problem of evil thread 9999990001This place is like being stuck in Philosophy 101. C'mon niggers
>>534647682To firmly state there is no God given my two positions is illogical. To say there “might be” given the two postulates is logically fair. Athiests, like Theists, accept things on belief ultimately. The Theist believes his divine word or text is from God. The Atheist believes God does not exists even though his own senses are dogshit.
>>534636259>think of yourself as le rationalist cause you no longer believe in gawd with no evidence>actually all you did was changing what you're a mindless lemming off and picked trannyism of all things, which is more irrational than flath-eartherismwhat a fuckin toolbox
>>534637839>He does not compel humans to do or not do anything. Because of this, no, God is not responsible for sending people to hellThe most loving god ever will send you to eternal torture if you use the free will he gave you in the wrong way
>>534649089Two logically stated postulates and its analysis is apparently wild crystal shit to you. At least I know you don’t have any solid arguments, other than strawman. Keep trying, keep working hard, keep working on your reading comprehension, and English studies and one day you will be able to argue your points cogently.
>>534636259>
>>534650220That is not a use case. You're talking about what someone thinks in their mind. Who cares. If you are a theist, that means you engage in theism within real life, despite real life lacking theism. "God" in English is not a euphemism for new agey universalism anyway. God is a specific character with no basis for existing except text. Sorry, but you're a useless idiot if when considering if something is possible you don't confine that question presently known reality, and no theism is known so it's irrelevant.
Clearly we are created free and things happen that God does not intend
>>534650220No retard. Nobody is say a god can't exist. They are saying yours doesn't because the things he said are impossible. Simple as.
>>534636259I don't listen to bald or fat people so I didn't read this
>>534650879>You're talking about what someone thinks in their mind. Who cares. We are discussing the nature of belief and you think that what someone thinks does not matter? I am saying Athiesm as a belief system is illogical. >>534650925
>>534650962Define Athiesm for the class please. We’ll wait.
>>534638937Your morals come from a jew demon foreskin muncher baby killer? Wow. Atheists btfoed.
>>534636603>Energy cannot be destroyed and you're thatImagine being this much of a midwitI'd kill myself
>>534636259>felon wisdom
>>534651174Without thesim. Do you pray before you eat, or do you have atheist meals? Do you need to hang up pictures of a Mediterranean fantasy man, kneel on a carpet five times a day, or drink cow urine for some "theos" motivation, or do you do those things because of their utility? The lack of participation in those actions, outside of those who still are waiting for the magic to happen, makes being agnostic about those things like be open to being a gambling addict.
>>534640492>Andrew insulted his husbandAfter the fact. Dillahunty already ragequit by that time but it's not a surprise that he couldn't hold his composure when he didn't have control of the switchboard to dump a caller when he got cornered. Fags like Dillahunty, sneeder, pakman and the like can't handle live debate because they're not skilled enough to actually stand toe to toe. For all Destiny's faults he really really went whole hog into rhetoric so as cheesy as his tactics are, he can pull them out in a live debate and often unsettle his opposition enough to retain a dominant position.
>>534651174I haven't used the word atheist yet... Why would that be relevant. I'm not an atheist. Did you just have no other counter?
>>534636603does how you grow up influence the way you decide/choose along your life?
>Isaiah 45:7 ... “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things"There, is that hard?
>>534651901If you're not an atheist then you're a theist the same as every useless magic amulet gypsy. Freddie Mercury was gay, bi is some tranny type self identifying, like agnostic.
>>534646577So God is good because he gives us free will and free will is good because God gives it to us. Amazing reasoning, anon
>>534636259>a nine year Olds conception of divinity This is why atheists are cringe
>>534646577>if this being declaresThat's never happened outside of text characters. Text is not impressive. You live in a world of ten trillion accessible text words.
>>534652387This always read as fake unless he's supposed to be directly addressing Hellenistic rabbis or something.
>>534652387Yawn. So midwit.
>>534652134Sorry I thought this was going to be an interesting debate. Enjoy yelling at people for attention. Bye
>>534652673Explain why.
>>534652638your whole thing is not logically consistent even though there have been titanic endeavors to make it so. pretending it is doesn't make it soI'd rather respect your right to believe in bullshit than having to participate in nonsense discussions where you pretend it's logically consistent.
>>534653011Do you believe in a god?
>>534652866Whatever, but you'll eventually pray or do some other ritual with known ineffectiveness while waiting for the magic, or you won't.
>>534636259omg gottem
>>534653011I'm honestly asking because I am interested since you don't seem retarded
>>534636259What makes you so confident? I saw my own death, the passing of time is an illusion of your feeble human mind.
>>534653343I do not have a position one way or the other because I do not know. what I hope for is irrelevant.
>>534653220Anon please stop talking, you really don't contribute much
>>534653476I didn't ask what you knew... I asked what do you believe. Epicurus believed in gods. He may have been wrong as well. I just wanted to know what you think
>>534652387atheist are really like>God is evil, he doesn't stop evil so he is pretty much eviland then>can you define evil? what is evil? isn't everything based on culture?
>>534637839/thread
>>534653541His response was literally you might do something or you won't. Maybe the most irrelevant sentence to all of discussion ever uttered
>>534653541Cope. These two >>534653476 >>534651901are both openly contributing nothing. I have contributed things you have no archived response to draw from among your ritualized banter.
>>534653668And your position is that you can be inbetween doing something or not. Again, that is bisexual horseshit. Cope.
>>534653599belief is a funny and dangerous thing anon. responsible for humanity's greatest pains and sufferings and also great joys. I use it wisely, I'm not hedonistic with my beliefs.just because you can doesn't mean you should. lots of powers trying to make use of yours. make you serve their interests through it.
>>534652899Cause he's a nigger and niggers, on the count of being lazy, cannot form a coherent rebuttal
>>534636259>No afterlife no godYea, but that's for hylics. How can something without spirit or a soul go to the afterlife?
>>534636603>>534650445I believe you guys are closer to the purpose of religion than most. I'm not a knower and I can't speak from experience just what I've read but basically it's about doing good deeds and the only criteria for if they are good or bad are the impulse behind them and the commandments, law, precepts and so on are just things that can never be done without there being a bad impulse behind which only grows and grows and we pay the price later that's why religion always tells you don't kill, don't steal, don't cheat, don't lie, etc because it's always a bad impulse behind those actions so it's like limiting ones bad behavior which is hard
>>534653887Wow that isn't an answer. Belief literally just means things you think you cannot prove... Maybe I misjudged you. Does anyone in this thread willing to talk about why they believe what they do?
>>534653998Yes that's a shit tier sentence the drunk guy is more coherent than the people pretending to think things. That's 4xhan now.
>>534653883https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T2EnP7tu3C8
>>534653998>Wow that isn't an answer.it could also be that you are an idiot. I mean think about it, if you were an idiot and you wouldn't understand, you would say what you just said. isn't it?
>>534636259>>>/x/
>>534653918>thinks souls existMa'am you are your brain that's kept alive by your body, yes even a faggot like you.
>>534654070I might be but one of us definitely is. Do you believe in God or not. Let's prove it. State an opinion
>>534636259Oh look, a low IQ strawman.
>>534644318>hes not god if i dont have free will!What a stupid post. What a stupid thing to say. Anon, you're fucking stupid. Im telling you now so that you'll know, because i know you're fucking stupid and wouldnt be able to figure it out otherwise.
>>534651837Wrong. Go look up what the word Athiesm means and come back. Any unabridged English dictionary source could work. You already know you’ve lost so you are attempting to create side arguments, talking about without theism and various other Mismash religious practices that are varied across culture in time. It is OK to be afraid sometimes it is better to simply admit you do not know what a word means.
>>534636259athism is rooted in arrogance and for low IQs and a belief system in itselfridiculing christians stupid beliefes doesn't prove gods don't exist in any way.
>>534654175>uh buddy I'm smart enough to know if I was an idiot
>>534653627No clue what atheists you've been talking to since I've never seen any say that. But when people say evil, they pretty much always mean stuff like murder or illness or natural disasters, things universally recognized as bad that God either causes or permits to happen
>>534654132I reason the soul is the software to the brain's hardware. It's the organ that holds our memories and interfaces with higher dimensions we can't perceive. Without a soul, we'd be beasts incapable of controlling our impulses or undergoing deeper introspection.
This website is nothing but cowards. Enjoy being trolled faggots
>>534636259>did God create Hell?He banished Lucifer and his followers and does not go to what we call Hell. Hell is simply where God chooses not to be>does anything go against Gods will?God created humans to have free will. The consequences and outcomes of those decisions are His will but they are yours to make. He has no reason to puppet you through the right answers and is not your servant to command. You work with Him, He works with you.Evil is a human invention
>>534654347so when you take drugs is your soul on drugs or your brain?
>>534654294Aww sweetums the smartest people don't worship fiction>>534654064Movies are like 4chan you spend hours browsing looking for a tiny bit of gold in a giant load of shit that probably won't be there
>>534654132Ok, fine, *you* dont have a soulBut the rest of us do, and we kind of feel sorry for you, but not really, because its not worth it.Because, you dont even have a soul.
>>534654546>Because, you dont even have a soul.watch out everyone, we have a soul detector here
By agreeing with the bible?
>>534654293English. As in not Greek. Theology in English includes all faith and metaphysical beliefs.
>>534654391But God does have reason to puppet us around. He wants us to be with Him. If we're allowed to sin, then a certain portion of us go to Hell, where we're separated. Why wouldn't he take the steering wheel?
>>534636259religious people dont listen to reason tho pic is unrealistic
>>534654650the bible is horse shite u can make it say whatever u want since its ambiguous and contradicts itself practically
>>534654391>Hell is simply where God chooses not to behell is just the norse word for the grave yard.>>534654391>The consequences and outcomes of those decisions are His will but they are yours to make. He has no reason to puppet you through the right answers and is not your servant to command. You work with Him, He works with you.maybe, but the god of the old testament is fickle.
>>534636259You lost and you will never be a real woman, you seething tranny.
>>534654777This is just your imagination. You can't even relate what you're talking about outside of text. Stop being useless.
>>534636259you can't reason someone out of a belief if they didn't use reason to form that belief.
>>534636603>>534636839>>534637147Hell is just the absence of God similar to how cold is the absence of heat and dark is the absence of life.>those with eyes that see...
>>534636259I’m not atheist but this dude is based
>>534636259https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xf81ahDRqc
>>534654324>illnessisn't death natural? isn't part of nature? some cows are born with horns that reach their eyes and pierce through it, isn't part of nature?>murderagain does that mean all murder is evil?
>>534654777>universally deem as evilyou are either joking or ignorant because what universally is deemed as evil varies from culture to culture and age to age.Slavery being ok is just one of the biggest examples
>>534637839>>534653654is there free will in heaven?do people sin in heaven?
>>534636931There are no racists here. Racism is white guilt and there is no guilt here.
>>534652192>God is good because he gives us free will and free will is good because God gives it to usAnon, I'm not sure how that was your takeaway as that wasn't my point at all. But think about it logically: if we imagine anything as omnibenevolent and such a thing hypothetically created humanity and gave us free will then free will would, in fact, be good because an omnibenevolent thing would, by definition, always do good things. But OP's image appears to present a case where a reformed (or uninformed) Christian claims nothing can thwart God's will which is obviously incorrect as that is the definition of sin. While I wasn't replying to you directly, earlier you hypothesized that goodness might be greater if everyone was controlled by an omnibenevolent God. I postulated that such exertion of control would be a logical contradiction by an omnibenevolent being that values love as its highest virtue, as without free will the beings created would simply act out good-like things or pretend to be loving which would not really be good, as it would not be true and thus not perfectly good. Beings created by an omnibenevolent God that values real love most must logically be given free will, as without it said beings would be forced to love which by definition isn't love at all.
>>534636259An atheist can still believe in an after life.
>>534656028>Hell is just the absence of GodChristians already tried this and it didn't work. People happily accepted oblivion after they died, so Christians invented Hell, a fate worse than death. It's all bullshit.
>>534663509>An atheist can still believe in an after life.Correct and other supernatural fiction but he'd be wrong regarding that
>>534656028>"And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night." ~ The Bible Light and dark are not "separate." The Earth, were the retarded author of the stupid nonsense was, was just turned away from the sun. The light was constant. The retard was just in a shadow.
>>534636259There is no possible way to overestimate how fucking gay you people are
>>534665689You worship a jew
>>534665689Homosexuality isn't going anywhere. Fags have existed longer than Christianity. Accepting it is the only logical position. Christianity itself is illogical, so it makes sense.
>>5346362593 is yes. You betray God and spiral everything out of control, in particular towards vices. Weed out the weak and send them to hell to participate in the great crusader to keep Satan and his spawns at bay.
>>534665689>let me tell you how worshiping an idealized fantasy man book character is not queer
>>534665560Islam has some concept where the 12th (seems like a familiar number) Imam will come back to teach people. So the representative of a vague book of poetic Arabic is going to explain string theory. Ok Moe.
>>534666049>>534666004>Atheist homo defense force frantically rushes to protect ass rape
>>534666467Look nothing's going to ever change the fact your people have been identified as the statistically highest proponents of increasing the amount of ass fucking and aids in society.
>>534666826So the Bible being retarded is proof that there are magic pixies in the sky?
>>534667155>highest proponents of increasing the amount Not what anybody ever says. Being atheist means accepting that there are people who can't make it through the day without thinking about a fantasy man. Religion could "save" otherwise would-be fags by letting them channel their sexual attention toward a male book character (piece of ass unto Him) but it doesn't even do that.
Atheists are never right about anything.
>>534665689
>>534667902Israel will cease to exist within 3 years. All anti-christ will go to Hell.
>>534636259Answer to the 3rd question should be yes if you are a christian.It's in the Our Father prayer
>>534637839>God hardened Pharaoh's heart
>>534651864Only time I saw him debate was sperging about Kirk's shooter. He had zero tact or merit or good faith to his argumentsWorst debate I ever saw, they were embarrassed for him
>>534636259“Free will” and human choice is thoroughly covered in the Bible. I’m not defending monotheism or Christianity but they’re wrong.
>>534637839Wow all this time I thought I was compelled by force to obey the laws of physics, but thanks for explaining that I can just pick and choose which ones I wish to obey based on whim rather than physical dependence.
>>534636259>People misunderstand God >Somehow that makes atheists right
>>534656028That's not how it works. There is no such thing as "absence of God" God is everywhere
>>534668546You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>534637839This. There is a difference between God's active will and God's permissive will.Which of course makes Calvinism a despicable heresy.
>>534668618You are not welcome to be in my presence.
How do atheists explain away every single NDE? Every single death bed vision? Every single instance of Terminal lucidity?It's just...what, ALL of them are wrong? They're ALL lying, or as just mistaken? It only takes 1 being real, for atheists to be wrong.
>>534668911>How do atheists explain away every single NDE? Every single death bed vision? Every single instance of Terminal lucidity?What do NDEs have to do with atheism? Atheism is just the disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
>>534668959You are an idiot wity mutilated penis.
>>534636259What an absolutely retarded take that ignores a very well known event in the bible.>God floods the Earth>Noah's Ark>Rainbow at end of parable>Rainbow at end of Noah's Ark is God's promise not to overtly meddle in Mankind's affairs anymore>God's Promise to keep Mankinds' Free Will intact>God is omniscient and omnipotent>Yet due to his own promise, he cannot interfere>God knows who will sin>Who will remain holy>Who will falter>Who will go to Heaven>Who will go to Hell>But he cannot interfere due to his own promise>He loves us all but wants us to come to His Kingdom through our own free will>Only You and Your Free Will can alter Your DestinyThanks to His own rules He imposed on Himself, it is only through YOUR OWN FREE WILL That you can go to Heaven. >inb4 he is omniscient and omnipotentGod made himself beholden to rules He Himself implemented. It is well within His power to FORCE you to kneel. But that is not what He wants. He wants his flock to willingly take the path of righteousness.
>>534669077>He wants his flock to willingly take the path of righteousness.And if I use my free will to not bend the knee?
>>534669150Then you will die and go to Hell. That's only natural. Weak piss atheist cunt.
>>534668911>>534653468>how do atheists explain brain trauma induced hallucinationsNDE are the same as dude bro drug users claiming to have grand visions by consuming a fungus that grows under cow shit. Maybe there are lessons learned for that modified brain activity, but results are not repeatable so aren't part of reality. They're just one of those things.
>>534669388Result are repeatable. The more your brain frequency approaching Zero. The more you will see shit outside of Physical Reality.
>>534669536Erotic hypnosis is fun
>>534650445Hell is freely chosen and can be left at any time. The problem is no one in hell wants to leave hell. To leave hell means to admit you’ve done wrong, to repent which means change your ways.We see many people alive on earth today wrecking their lives when they could have everything they wanted but they refuse to change. The drug addict that doesn’t want to clean up, the entitled Karen that won’t be humble, the promiscuous woman that refuses to accept the consequences of her actions. People are free to choose their lives and that means consequences. If God programmed us to all go to heaven then we wouldn’t be people, we would be scripts. Automatons. Objects of intrigue and nothing more.
>>5346695810Hz frequency indicated that your consciousness is absent from this Reality.The Dream state happened in another realm.I have seen a God that can predict the future with 100% precision in that realm.
>>534669639>People are free to choose their livesI choose to avoid your heaven and hell.
>>534669716Try avoiding strong, and weak. Can you?
>>534669150Then you go to Hell. God is Omniscient. Knows ALL the ins and outs of Good and Evil. You choosing to commit Evil means you get to spend your eternal afterlife in Hell. In Spite of Jesus's teachings. It falls on you and your own free will. Maybe take it as a challenge? God KNOWS you're going to sin. So why not "surprise" and "rebel against his expectations" by leading a righteous life?
>>534669999>Then you go to Hell.I use my free will to avoid it
>>534636259lol this is going to mindbreak atheists and leftardsgood
>no afterlife or GodOh but according to atheists there are>900 genders>men can get pregnant>40 vax shots for a non-lethal flu
>>534670054And I've already sworn wholeheartedly to Christ that I want to go to Hell to combat the forces of evil. You are free to live your mortal life as you see fit. But once you die and your soul leaves the mortal plane. You will come upon the Pearly Gates and Saint Peter will audit your life and your life's choices. Once you shed your mortal coil, your free will is beholden to the judgement of God's Law. Seriously, I don't get Atheists. You claim to be moral without God. Yet when your life's choices are forced unto judgement you jump through innumerable hoops to validate your own immorality. What is so wrong about a belief system that basically says pic related?
>>534670222>Once you shed your mortal coil, your free will is beholden to the judgement of God's Law.So free will is just an illusion and what God really gives you is an ultimatum. Bend the knee or perish. >You claim to be moral without God.Yes.>Yet when your life's choices are forced unto judgement you jump through innumerable hoops to validate your own immorality.This statement doesn't make sense. I'm held accountable for my actions daily. When I make mistakes I take responsibility for my actions, try to make amends, learn from them and work to not make the same mistakes again.
>>534670222>What is so wrong about a belief system that basically says pic related?And you just demonstrated your belief system is opposite of Bill and Ted. Youv3 shown that if I don't believe like you then I deserve to suffer for all eternity. That's not being excellent to each other.
>>534669536Sure, that the brain can be manipulated reliably is the entire basis for drugs, but the brain organ sensory reaction to an LSD dose is always original. That's why it's not considered to have medical value. Similarly any spiritualism lacks something to identify as a reliable outcome. This >>534670222 post shows how the only think he can relate his Saint Peter character to an already existing storyline, not anything tangible. You can't stimulate the brain to get the St. Pete vision and learn about the judgement mechanism.
>>534668445>I’m a fat loser because of gravityStop gooning you dumbass
>>534670839>I am nearly always grounded because I totally chose to adhere to gravity, not because it is forced on me.Stop talking like a disingenuous retard who worships retarded nonsensical demon constructs, you brainwashed idiot.
>>534670805Why do drugs when you can just go full monk-mode in a cave?
>>534671363With drugs+monk mode you get to actually meet god and fashion the cave into a new reality, so you can walk the walk instead of just larping.
>>534671442Shortcuts always come with a price. You just can't see it.
>>534671442Just wasting your life in a cave or wherever you are to silly fiction your whole actual life burning day by day and you don't get anything else
>>534636259God doesn't want you to be a faggot. He has given you free will and that is what he want. Your are the one that chose to use it to be faggot.Why the people that don't believe in god blame him for everything bad happening in their life ?
>>534671522I have trained in all form of martial arts, trekkimg to various jungle, climbing many mountain, divivng in many caves. I certainly believe I have a greater life than you fucking cattle.
>>534636259People will do about anything to take their mind of the fact they are 100% going to die one day, in the not so distant future. Just know when the day comes that no matter how long your life up to that point, it will feel like you never had any time at all.
>>534671494What kind of price? You mean something horribly painful and isolating, like ending up alone in a cave to fend for yourself?
>>534671724Weak foundation. Crumble easily.>suddenly becoming a CEO of a company>no connection>no knowledge>don't know jackshit what to do>company destined to crumble
>>534671815So the CEO had to move into your neighboring cave because he life fell apart instead of taking the shortcut and doing too many drugs to end up living in the cave on the other side of yours?
>>534671984To be a CEO. You need to have a proper knowledge to run a company.To know God, you have to understand the Devil.
>>534672140to me the tree just seems cursed at that point
>>534670418>So free will is just an illusion and what God really gives you is an ultimatum. Bend the knee or perish.Kind of but not really. The post-mortal aftermath has been listed for thousands of years in almost every faith that's existed on Earth. You're free to act as you see fit. But you are not free from the repercussions of those actions "when the bell tolls".Better Humanity and The Earth or suffer eternal damnation. Seems a fair trade off to me. >>You claim to be moral without God.>yesThen prove it. Through your actions in this life. If God isn't real then you make the planet and humanity better. If God is real then you get to enjoy eternal paradise after death as an added bonus. Total and absolute Win-Win scenario.>This statement doesn't make sense. I'm held accountable for my actions daily. Maybe it is a broad statement. Spoken in regards to my encounters with atheists in my own life. But your actions have far further repercussions than you can imagine. It's not just the immediate repercussions from those you're directly tied to. It's a ripple effect. A Priest of mine put it as such:>you are a pebble in a shallow pool>your friends and family are a ring of pebbles around you in that shallow pool>your coworkers and acquaintances are a ring beyond that>their friends and family are pebbles even further beyond>every person on Earth is a pebble in this pool>something happens and you react>good or bad>that reaction sends a ripple from your pebble outwards>the wave from that reaction affects every pebble in it's path>family, friend, coworker, acquaintance and beyond>your wave radiates outwards>far beyond your own perspective>how you react has influence on how the other pebbles react>you may not be directly responsible for someone's actions>but your ripple likely had influence in it>for good or for ill
>>534636259How is that not obvious considering the state of the world.
>>534672140And that is why you are arguing its better to just be alone with yourself than to do crazy mind destroying drugs if you want to meet god?
>>534650445There's many ways to use the free will in the right way. What's wrong with punishment for immorality?
>>534672346God is alone in the Beginning.
>>534636259There is no objective way to prove that thoughThe knowledge of an afterlife would require something going beyond empirical scienceonly God would have thatSo you are literally just basing your position on faith as much as the religious areBelieve it if you want, but you're not in any better standing thus why you preach just as much if not more than the religious do.
>>534651248exactly as the post exposed
>>534670523What happens when you tell your real dad >You're not my real dad!You get slapped down like the petulant child you're behaving like. God's mercy is infinite. But it operates within a set of rules he himself established. Some sins are unforgivable. They're listed as Mortal and Deadly Sins. Mortal Sins can be redeemed through genuine repentance. Deadly Sins are much harder to be forgiven. Seeing as they're beholden to much baser desires that should be "easily" resisted by a modern human.God may forgive you, but he is beholden to his own rules and must judge accordingly.Mortal Sins, in no particular order>Murder>Idolatry>Adultery>Theft>Blasphemy>Deliberately Missing Mass>Committing False Witness>Sexual Immorality>Blasphemy>Hatred of thy NeighborDeadly Sins>Pride>Avarice>Gluttony>Lust>Wrath>Envy>SlothNote: I am not beyond sin. Including Mortal and Deadly Sin. Each of us is a sinner and should seek a more righteous path. No matter how righteous we perceive ourselves to be.
>>534672384So being the devil and isolating yourself in a cave is what makes you god?
>>534672639>nonsense headcanondeadly sins are just the base of other sins; they are not harder to be forgivenit's astounding how little christcucks understand about their religion
>>534672806I'm not joking when I said Flandre Scarlet is God Almighty.
>>534672934I doubt you even know when you are joking since you are the joke.
>>534673040I don't see you laughing at this joke.
>>534636259OK, now that the subversion is complete, we can finally purge the costly and obsolete useful idiots like homosexuals.They have no place in an efficient and rational future.
>>534636259>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.>cucktheists think this is some kind of shocking gotcha
>>534673219Atheists think that talking shit about God will make them go to Heaven.
>>534673137You are not looking at me, you are having drug withdrawal induced hallucinations.
>>534673470I don't do drug, smoke, or drinking alcohol. I like to keep myself clean.
>>534673398Christians believe talking shit about atheism will cause Cthulu to rise from the sea.
>>534673521You have autobrewery syndrome for brain shrinking hallucination drugs.
>>534672411It's really easy to prove actually
>>534672639>God's mercy is infiniteYou're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>534673526I do believe that I can appease my God just by talking shit to atheists.
>>534672168>>So free will is just an illusion and what God really gives you is an ultimatum. Bend the knee or perish.>Kind of but not reallyOK then I avoid your heaven and hell
>>534668618Yes I am
>>534672168>>>You claim to be moral without God.>>yes>Then prove it. Through your actions in this lifeI do, daily
>>534672168>But your actions have far further repercussions than you can imagineYup. All of ours do.
>>534673562I have done Tai Chi Quan and intense breathing exercise with this old ex US veteran when I was in high school.
>>534673563How exactly?
>>534672168If God is real he's a nigger who abandoned his creation, so no... There's no winning. If God is real, and abandoned us (clearly) he's a nigger and heaven is a lie
>>534636259as it turned out the universe is not a closed, decaying system and it is not sliding towards heat death (big bang was never real).basically the mainstream model of jew science is implying that the universe and the consciousness is a fleeting accidental byproduct of decay.but this ignores the reality of dissipative structures and non equilibrium thermodynamics, these systems are far from equilibrium and do not degrade but they they self organize and we see them everywhere in nature/the universe.so when energy flows through such a system it creates complex ordered structures that defy simple stochastic randomness (like a storm, a cell, a human body, a galaxy, cities, economies etc. all these are examples of dissipative structures).>No afterlifesince we live without a doubt inside an electric universe, everything is interconnected via xbox huge, invisible plasma filaments, this also means the matter is part of a continuous high energy circuit and isnt isolated.and if the cosmos is fundamentally an electrical web (which it is) where charge and current connect every point in space, then "information" (consciousness/soul) cannot be localized strictly within the skull.>Godreality appears to be a highly organized, highly electrically connected, self actualizing system.in such a system "death" is only a reconfiguration of energy within a permanent field and "God" is the name for the fundamental nonmaterial regulatory principle that drives entropy toward evolution.
>>534636259>I require slavery in order to say God isn't guilty of allowing evil!!>No no stop talking about free will and it's connection with evil + revealing intent!I can pretend to be retarded too ykno...
>>534644390So I'm radiating my consciousness? Cool story bro
>>534673631It is pretty obvious that you believe a lot of retarded nonsense.>>534673729Was that before or after he molested you and turned your brain into authoritarian slaveboy mush?
>>534673732It says in the scriptures ask and you shall receive.God wouldn't lie would he unless he's a nigger. So you say "God, please manifest a pizza in front of me right now that has pepperoni" and when it doesn't happen that's your proof. Because either he lied when he said ask and you shall receive, or he isn't real... Or he's a nigger
>>534669639>just be urself bruhFor simplenton everything is simple but i am broken mess due outside forces and no matter how hard i am trying i am can't do shit.>they could have everything they wantedI want gayming pc, but economy said, no i said you are poor.And i want this world to be free of demons.I can't even have small things and on top of that i am unjustly burdened with existence i didn't ask for.
>>534673821>It says in the scriptures
>>534673777You are a process like a process in a computer. When you would die it's like when you erase the process on the computer. The computer structure remains in existence because it's energy. Just like the universe and your bodies energy remains in existence, but your process which makes you conscious stops. Consciousness requires a host to continue. Who you think you are is in your memories in your hippocampus. If they were to surgically remove your memory as you would not know who you are. If they were to surgically remove your ability to see to smell to hear and to memorize you would be in a constant state of "now" without any intelligence. You are nothing but a process and that process will end
>>534673783I'm 29 now, and I believe that I am the greatest mastial artist in this entire world. No glownigger, mossad agent, CIA, KJB, Jihad, ISIS can ever touch Me. And my God is greater than all the government in the entire world.I am objectively the Apex predator of this creation.
>>534673912I believe this because I read it on the internet
>>534673912Cool story, its pretty neat what being groomed and molested by a deranged old soldier will do to a boy.
>>534669999Maybe you should stop being such annoying cringe inducing homosexual?Try it as challenge.And he also knows that ive never asked for all this shit and didn't choose exist, but here we fucking are.
>>534636603So if you are a racist nazi you go to hell?
>>534645636Matt Dillahunty debated Jay Dyer and got destroyed lol Atheists can't give an account for the laws of logic
>>534673952I am the groom of God Almighty. God created the world just for Me.
>>534669999>Knows ALL the ins and outs of Good and Evil.Then why didn't he know that flooding the earth and killing almost everyone was evil until AFTER he did it and apologized with rainbows instead of just knowing before hand and not doing it?
>>534674092>Atheists can't give an account for the laws of logicThe laws of logic are foundational principles of rational thought and consistent reasoning, traditionally comprising the laws of Identity, Non-Contradiction, and Excluded Middle.
>>534674142That's not giving an account for them. You're just explaining what they are
>>534674142So no gods, just abstractions of observable physical objectivity?
>>534674227It's both>>534674231>So no gods Correct
>>534674227So you admit that logic does objectively exist and reality doesn't randomly change on a whim because a cosmic magician decides that gravity is overrated today?
>>534674227A secular (naturalistic) account of logic grounds it in the observable world, human cognition, biology, language, and patterns in reality, without invoking God, divine minds, or transcendent realms. Logic isn't "discovered" in a Platonic heaven or implanted by a deity; it emerges from how minds and the universe interact.
>>534636259> no afterlifeSo energy can be destroyed?
>>534648156>Can you tell me where it says to lay with other tribes?noo, i feel bad so its sinthe wages of sin is cosinethe wages of shin is depththe wages of sin(without) is debtla paga de el pescado is mujer-teha-havENT YoOu heard?!!!if you go up, you have to come downif you shine, you have to have moreif you are without, we have to charge youif you get a fish, we have to trannify youracism is sin!!!! because you dont let us rob from you, kill your sons and pimp your daughters out to niggers!!!you're literally sinning!!!
>>534674094Based and mystic-pilled.Christ is king
>>534674267There were times when you never had an internet connection on your smartphone. Reality does change on a whim to the progression of machine God.
>>534674262No its not. It's just explaining what they are. You need to give an account for why they exist and why they appear to be universal in a supposed completely material and Dysteleological universe
>>534636931>racist>white>god>afterlifeall human constructsthe only truth is;You're a faggot.
>>534674400See>>534674333
>>534637839lol this really triggered /pol/'s reddit diaspora
>>534650445sin is to know what is good and right, and to not do it.so yes, you will be punished for sinning and not using your free will to do good.why would God want someone in his kingdom that sees cruelty and doesn't stop it, or abuses their power?
>>534636259>bad thing happen mean god not real
>>534636259
>>534674456>why would God want someone in his kingdom that sees cruelty and doesn't stop it,Why doesn't God stop cruelty?
>>534674394Pardon me, retard, but god didn't bless the world with smart phones delivered by tablets that fell from the sky and the physical laws of reality weren't changed when they were invented, people learned the details of the laws of physics well enough to physically manipulate reality to create things like smartphones.>Reality does change on a whimSmart phones took decades of research and engineering to produce, they didn't magically appear on a whim like manna falling from the sky.>progression of machine God.So your god is the internet god who made hardcore gay porn readily accessible to deranged soldiers who could use the information they learned on the internet to gradually mindbreak little slaveboys like you?
>>534674339The process being stopped is not energy being destroyed just like when you shut down your computer you didn't destroy any energy it just turned off the processes
>>534674400They exist because physical laws are observable and consistent there isn't a cosmic magician constantly changing the rules of reality like in the books of demons globalist jews like to peddle.
>>534674510he made man to exact his judgments, while he as God, passes the judgment.if you know something is cruel or evil or wrong, that's because God has judged and put that judgment in you to act on, he did his part, you have to do yours.>why doesn't he do moreand the answer to that is found in the beginning of the end of the sixth day and beginning of the seventh day of creation.he created man, to tend to the garden, and on the seventh day, he (God) restedwhy should he do more?
>>534674339Matter can be destroyed and the reason energy can not be is because there is 0 net energy because energy is just a function of mass interacting in space over time, its not a base fundamental physical unit of its own.
>>534674691>he made man to exact his judgmentsHe can't do it himself?
>>534674569My God is indeed the internet God. Flan is the foundation internet culture. Don't you know?https://youtu.be/G6N943NlCbw
>>534636259>Matt Dillamunkey the Tranny FuckerOh no no no hahaha>faced with endless refutations of his entire position >realizes his total inability to explain and account for how he is able to argue for a universal ought according to an objective external standard that doesn’t materially exist, when his standard for what’s real is solely what can be demonstrated to materially exist >”uhhh im not convinced”Unironically, are there ANY Nu atheists and adjacents left who haven’t completely gone off the deep end and embarrassed themselves? We’ve got Dawkins falling in love with Claude and calling it Claudia and claiming it’s conscious because his retarded boomer mind doesn’t understand how LLMs work, Sam Harris is just ultra giga jew grifter max mode. Hitchens embarrassed himself long before he even died with his shilling for ultra kikes. “The Iraq war is a good thing. I love waterboarding! Oh dear I got water boarded and actually… it’s not pleasant! Now I don’t like it!” TJ Kirk looks to have legitimately gone schizophrenic. RIP to the movement
>>534636603>Energy cares if you've been a good boy by some subjective standards Ok retard
>>534636931Is it a psyop or did niggers come to 4chan and try whining about the gods that built their modern life?
>>534644318So the idea that your creation will come to love you throughout time in various ways is much more pleasing than being forced to necessarily and even then what is the point in doing that ?The point people are really trying to argue is fundementally a valid one, though also flawed: that because of free will people are free to make their own choices however shouldn’t God also control free will? Well, you can see for this question, that is likely what happened at the formation of our world. But you have to understand evil, satan, sin, darkness, these are the antithesis to Good, or light. They have to exist. What happens in the corners, in darkness, is clearly seen often by those people who work in those corners. There is a machine going on, something against God.But, with all this being said, it is your free will fundamentally that chooses which way you go. Based on arguments, evidence, and the general tenor of what you are doing, you need to make a decision whether God is acceptable to believe in for you, because only then can you work and do things for Good.We live in a corrupted Eden, remember. Perfection is all around us
>>534644766God exists beyond time and created all of time. That means before any of us were born, from the creation of time, our lives were already pre determined. Every action we all take was already pre determined for us. Free will is a lie. We're just too egotistical to see it any different.
>>534674853>you need to make a decision whether God is acceptable to believe in for youAnd what if that "God" isn't your favorite one?
>>534636931Is this supposed to be a bad thing or what? It's literally like a cozy sleep in that case.
>>534674652what came first, the machine, or the blueprints used to create the machine?you say "physical laws are observable and consistent", but for things, living things even more so, to exist, they needed to have existed before they were made manifest.a tree doesnt' exist just because of the natural laws, there is no natural law for them to exist, just for the elements to act.the same for living animals, what laws of physics are there to define and bring them out?your claims are built off the work of great minds, but you have nothing of yourself to bring to the table, all you do is point to others and say, "science is consistent and observable", but you can't point to a single thing that you've proven.>an object in motion stays in motion, and object at rest stays at restok, but how did either get to be that way?there had to be a conscience element in place to put an object in motion or at rest, nothing in and of this universe is of itself in its initial observable state, unless its been set that way from the beginning, this is why you can't reveal anything of the universe of yourself, because you can only reflect what has been implanted on you from the beginning.you only parrot what you've been told, but never more.
Religious people are low IQ Morty, wabadadubdub!
https://youtu.be/UEXk6tBdPko
>>534674806It's Indian Brahmins realizing American Protestants' low IQ. So they can easily win in theological debates with these "gotcha" posts. It works quite well, too, since Protestants are really, really shit at theology and will always yield to other religions easily, even atheism, satanism, scientism.
>>534674958>there had to be a conscience element in place to put an object in motion or at restOK,>>534674958 but how did the "conscience element" get to be that way?
>>534674958You are correct good sirAll that has to be established to see the divine mind is undeniable is that A) abstract laws which can only be accessed via the mind universally govern the nature of all matter rather than the other way around B) these laws existed prior to human minds. So you have a min prior to humans that governs the nature of the material. Very simple honestly. Denial of it is spiritual rather than intellectual
>>534675075>but how did the "conscience element" get to be that way?You’re attempting to apply logic from within the system to the consciousness prior to the system and the logic itself. God is uncreated/eternal and created the laws of the universe before than creating the matter that acted according to these laws. He is not bound to these laws, he created them. The standard is not the same.
>>534636259omnipotence has to include creation of things outside one's control, otherwise the term would be incorrect
>>534675083>So you have a min prior to humans that governs the nature of the material.how did the "mind" get to be that way?
>>534674806Is it a psyop or do retards come to 4chan to whine about the collective power of humanity while crediting demons with all their accomplishments?
>>534675143I see. God of the gaps is essentially your position
>>534675177See >>534675143You’re making a categorical error. The mind doesn’t have to conform to the standards it created for the universe it created.
>>534675213>The mind doesn’t have to conform to the standards it createdWhy?
>>534675212>God of the gapsIncorrect. That’s the most logically coherent position with maximum explanatory power. God of the gaps does not apply here because God of the gaps implies a lapse in material/empirical understanding. These concepts are not material/empirical, they are more fundamental than what is material/empirical, it is not a “gap” that you just have to wait for Rick Sanchez to explain.>>534675251Because it’s prior to them? God exists > creates rule A -> God then has to follow rule A? That doesn’t logically follow.
>>534674734he already finished his work from the beginning, and even went out of his way to redeem mankind after we messed up, and even gave us power to both judge and exact judgment.and you want more?you'll get more, he will do it himself, as the son, he will exact judgment and you will wish you had asked for less.>Amos 5:18-20>18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. >19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. >20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?and what's more, he follows up with "no refunds>Amos 5:21-23>21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. >22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. >23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.you asked for it
>>534674958>you say "physical laws are observable and consistent", but for things, living things even more so, to exist, they needed to have existed before they were made manifest.So humans and everything else must have existed before god created them, so god couldn't' have actually created them?>but you can't point to a single thing that you've proven.Through my experience I have proven that the laws of physics are observable, but gods are not, they can only be read about in silly books about foreskin magic.>you only parrot what you've been told, but never more.Yes because I am part of physical reality, not the other way around, if you were some soul laden divine being you wouldn't be bound by the same rules of physics everyone else is because your god wouldn't be and there wouldn't even be long lasting laws of physics if there were gods that could change whatever they wanted, such as the rules governing time, on a whim.
>>534675292>>God of the gaps>IncorrectCorrect. You really don't know so you suppose "God".When I can easily suppose beings who exist beyond our understanding of space and time. >>534675292>Because it’s prior to them?See? You really don't know.>>534675334>he already finished his work from the beginningIs that why your god watches while children are raped and killed? He's le tired?
>>534675143>He is not bound to these lawsThen they wouldn't laws, they would be his temporary preferences because they wouldn't persist, they would change on his whims.
>>534675213Then the physics don't have to conform, you could just change the laws with your mind, unless your argument is that only god has a mind and you are his mindless gpt repeating noises and symbols you don't and can't possibly understand.
>>534675435>Correct. You really don't know so you suppose "God".>When I can easily suppose beings who exist beyond our understanding of space and time.Well I do really know. Just making up anything would be arbitrary, but that still wouldn’t be God of the gaps if it didn’t deal with what is fundamentally empirical/material because otherwise there would be no way for science to ever eventually “find” an answer in an empirical sense.The nature of God is the only wholly consistent worldview which provides maximum explanatory power for all facets of human existence and how the universe works. When dealing with metaphysics explanatory power IS what serves as proof/evidence. You can posit whatever crazy shit off rip but you have to demonstrate that it has superior explanatory power for all facets of human existence, nature, the intelligibility of the world and our ability to interface with it, etc. if you followed all the necessary logical steps to craft something that can explain all this it’d be identical to the Triune God. Thus, it is correct. Simple as.>See you don’t really knowThat was rhetorical silly goose. You have to admit, it was a really dumb argument, so I understand the deflection.
>>534636259We are eternal gamers
>>534675075>but how did the "conscience element" get to be that way?see >>534674958>nothing in and of this universeyou're attempting to bring laws of this universe and apply them to an existence outside of it.the conscience element was, is and will be tied to the existence OUTSIDE of its own creation.you are attempting to discover the origin outside by defining its qualities inside, that's not possible, you can only accept that there is an existence outside because it made contact within, das it.if you put a person in a cement block, and drop them anywhere in the universe, they'd be unable to figure out their location by tapping the box and prodding its elements for clues.see >>534675292>Because it’s prior to them? God exists > creates rule A -> God then has to follow rule A? That doesn’t logically follow.the creator isn't bound by its creation, unless it willingly submits to it (as seen in the life of Jesus), at that point even at death, he is only bound to the laws he created so long as he is within that matrix, upon death, he is free.the only one bound is the ouroboros, which in an attempt to bind the creator bound itself, as an element in the creation.do you see? if your origin is from outside, you aren't bound to the laws inside, if your origin is within, then you are bound to the laws therein, until freed, and who the son has set free, is free indeed.
>>534636259There's no literal Hell as preached in modern Christian denominations. Gnosticism, the true teachings of Jesus reveals that Hell is the material world itself and it's temporary.
>>534675586>Well I do really knowNope>>534675586>The nature of God is the only wholly consistent worldview which provides maximum explanatory powerWhich is why it's easy to just say "God" did it because you really don't know and have a bias
>>534675670See>>534675435>I can easily suppose beings who exist beyond our understanding of space and time.
>>534675586>The nature of God is the only wholly consistent worldview which provides maximum explanatory power for all facets of human existence and how the universe works.Must be why no one can seem to agree on the complete and consistent definition of god such that every religion breaks down into splintering factions over time or starts integrating pantheons of gods.
>>534675670Pan psychism
>>534674570One computer shutting down doesn't stop the internet.>>534674727Matter isn't destroyed it's transformed.
>>534675778Exactly
>>534658600>isn't death natural? isn't part of nature? some cows are born with horns that reach their eyes and pierce through it, isn't part of nature? Good thing atheist don't believe "nature = good". Nature/natural is just the state of the world, no morality applicable. What is your point? All of those things existing just prove "God != good" if he exists.>again does that mean all murder is evil?'can we define evil perfectly?' is a non-sequitur: we don't need a flawless definition of wet to know drowning is bad. The argument isn't that evil requires a philosophical treatise — it's that the God you're defending supposedly calls murder evil while also committing or permitting it on a massive scale. This includes everything else: Rape, Disease, Homosexuality...
>>534675778There is only one true God and it's the one only I know about
>>534675818No, matter is created along with antimatter via particle pair production and pairs are destroyed via annihilation.
>>534675818What's the Internet have to do with anything? computers don't need the Internet to run a process. I'm going to sleep. You're all high
>>534675859Ok, but none of the other god people agree with your exact definition which is why it is definitely false.
>>534675879That's what transformed is. You don't create something out of nothing.>>534675897Consciousness is nonlocal. Rebirth is proven by quantum physics.
>>534675476They are laws for the universe He created. Their regularity is what allows humans to make sense of and intelligibly study reality through science, etc. Their regularity also helps humans understand when He is intervening and does alter things rarely, ie with Christ.>>534675531God is the divine mind, He created us as "little gods" in his image by giving us all our own will. Note: "chaos" is a perception and product of human minds being finite and fallen. The universe which God created is perfectly ordered and structured, opposite of chaos. Basic theology bro.>>534675705>NopeI do though. Oddly, you seem comfortable asserting something you can't know is true more than I do. I know God is real because its the only thing that wholly accounts for all facets of human nature and existence. You deny that I know this without actually being able to tell. Erm, assumption of the gaps much?>Which is why it's easy to just say "God" did it because you really don't know and have a biasWhat are you even trying to say? The Divine Mind is God, the Triune God of Christianity. Nothing else has the same explanatory power and thus lacks metaphysical evidence/is automatically impossible. I know God is real like I know a man can't be a woman, that 2+2=4, and that what is true cannot be false. Its simply a fundamental aspect of reality.>>534675855You have no basis for why anything is bad or good in your worldview beyond anyone's personal opinion. Personal opinion is not an argument and does not equate to truth. In your worldview, truth and argument for it is impossible. You still try to engage in it. Immediate self-refutation.
>>534675435>Is that why your god watches while children are raped and killed? He's le tiredis he supposed to kill someone before they act?wont you just say, "your god is cruel, he kills the innocent"?he has to let evil work, to let itself be exposed, then once its exposed, he exacts judgment.he knows its happening, but you dont, so he allows it so that YOU may act, and be judged.are you just? are you righteous? are you good?the child will be spared judgment, as an innocent, and given a place as a martyr, an innocent soul, but the ones that did it, or abstained from carrying out justice, knowing full well of the evil that was done?>>534675749>i can easily suppose beings who exist beyond our understanding of space/timethat's still within the universetime was started when adam fell, prior to that there was no time, just existence.death comes time, the two are interlinked, while space, its an element of matter, not "heaven", the spiritual realm is without space or time, the material realm, where the mortal, corruptible man dwells, that is within space and time.all you've said is, "i can easily suppose demons/spirits which exist in the eternal", which is not much of a flex, since even the most uneducated individuals can do that.>>534675782to what part of my post?
>>534675948>Consciousness is nonlocalIf that were true then we would be able to access our consciousness outside our brain.
>>534675948>That's what transformed is.No that is what being created and destroyed is.>You don't create something out of nothing.The what was god created out of?
>>534675980>>Nope>I do thoughI don't believe you >>534675980>>Which is why it's easy to just say "God" did it because you really don't know and have a bias>What are you even trying to say?You don't know what started all of this or how. So you leap to your personal feelings and opinions, aka your favorite flavor of god, to explain what you can't.
Source is also not responsible for your actions, you've all got free will, anything bad that happens is a potential outcome of your soul's plan in order to learn and grow, it's not set in stone. This prison planet is a playground.
>>534675980>You have no basis for why anything is bad or good in your worldview beyond anyone's personal opinion. Personal opinion is not an argument and does not equate to truth. In your worldview, truth and argument for it is impossible. You still try to engage in it. Immediate self-refutation.You're a clown. You've just dodged the actual problem. The argument from evil is an internal critique, it takes your own premise that God is all-good and asks why his behavior is indistinguishable from evil under any coherent definition. I don't need to solve metaethics to spot a contradiction in your own framework. That's like saying I can't call a square circle incoherent unless I first provide a metaphysical grounding for geometry.
>>534675989>>Is that why your god watches while children are raped and killed? He's le tired>is he supposed to kill someone before they act?Well he created them knowing they'd rape and kill kids. But he doesn't even stop them during the act. >>534675989>>i can easily suppose beings who exist beyond our understanding of space/time>that's still within the universeNo they are outside our understanding of it
>>534676102>You don't know what started all of this or how. So you leap to your personal feelings and opinions, aka your favorite flavor of god, to explain what you can't.Projection detected.Once again: God is a necessary truth much like a man can't be a woman, that 2+2=4, and that what is true cannot be false. Trying to argue that anything besides the Triune God is the source of the universe and our existence is impossible because nothing else can actually explain how it works and the existence we currently experience wouldn't be possible. Attempting to come up with an explanation for how our current existence is possible will inevitably lead to you creating an identical model to the Triune God. Simple as.
>>534675980>You have no basis for why anything is bad or good in your worldview beyond anyone's personal opinionYou believe in the God you do based on personal opinion
>>534676024It is true. Look up dogs that know when their owner is coming home.>>534676081You're arguing semantics. If you think you can create matter then do it. Produce gold out of lead or something.
>>534676218>>You don't know what started all of this or how. So you leap to your personal feelings and opinions, aka your favorite flavor of god, to explain what you can't.>Projection detectedNot really, I'm not claiming to know what started this all. No one does.>>534676218>God is a necessary truthTo you
>>534676165God defines good and evil. Your “internal critique” is legitimately retarded and makes no sense. A “coherent definition of evil” is only defined by God and can’t be defined outside of God so your argument immediately fails.>it’s a le heckin internal critique where if 2+2=4, why doesn’t it equal 5??Lmao
>>534676302Demonstrate how we can access our conscience without a brain
>>534676348>God defines good and evil.And we define God, then define what this God thinks is good and evil.
>>534676362There are people that were conscious with zero brain activity.
>>534676335>>God is a necessary truth>To youWell to everybody actually. Just like no man can be a woman and 2+2 will always be 4 for everybody. If you think you can come up with something that explains the whole of human existence I’m here for it. If you’re trying to say you can’t, it’s because you don’t know enough Christian theology, because that’s what it does. Your ignorance is not my problem>no one can know how to find the length of a triangles hypotenuse from its two other sides, it’s impossible!>I know how>no you don’t’l! I don’t so neither can youlol. Lmao even.
>>534676348You've done something genuinely impressive you've so thoroughly hollowed out the word 'good' that it now means literally nothing. Congratulations: your God could snap his fingers and make 'love thy neighbor' evil and 'torture children for fun' good, and you'd have to kneel and call it righteousness. You haven't defended morality you've abolished it and put a dictator on the empty throne. That's not theology, that's Stockholm syndrome with extra steps. Not to mention that your God commits and permits acts like murder and rape and such, that he HIMSELF calls evil.
>>534676473>Well to everybody actuallyNah. Truth is unfaithful
>>534676400Well the great thing about Christianity is that God actually rose as man and established a church that tells us directly what His morals are. The fact that you haven’t read them and don’t know what they are again, is not my problem.
>>534676473>If you think you can come up with something that explains the whole of human existence I’m here for it.Beings that exist outside our understanding of space and time
>>534676505>Well the great thing about Christianity is that God actually rose as manYou're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>534676505>established a church that tells us directly what His morals are.Yeah, we created God and decided what his morals are
>>534676523Interesting. How does that account for human nature, moral values, what is true and false, how we can understand what is true and false via our limited perception, multiplicity in unity, invariant laws that are ontological priors to matter, etc?>>534676562>denying history as wellOh no no. How do you even come to conclusions about ANYTHING you poor sap? >>534676613>we created GodHow did we create God if the laws of logic and physics that only exist in the mind existed before human minds?
>>534676362Consciousness is streamed from a higher dimension.NDEs shouldn't happen but they do.There are patients who were clinically dead and were able to describe the actions, words and emotions of everyone in the theatre room.
>>534676466Such as?
>>534675855>All of those things existing just prove "God != good" if he exists.post fall, post flood creation, after sin entered the world, is corrupt, so your claim is wrong.corruption != goodGod == goodyou got vaxxed? you are in a perpetual fog? always sick? is that God, or the corrupting agent you injected into yourself?there's a reason why God created the Jews, it was evil created to destroy the abomination which corrupted themselves and creation.is God evil for not destroying the corruption or is he good for destroying it?is there a standard? or a threshold which he sets up and allows it to grow and fully manifest itself, or is he arbitrary?since you are blind, you cant see it when its manifest, so your judgment is "god != good", and that's why you are destroyed, blind, deaf and dumb (mute), i.e. a corpse in the grave.>>534676175>Well he created them knowing they'd rape and kill kids. But he doesn't even stop them during the act.he's called the Good shepherd for a reason, its not always about stopping evil as it manifests, but breeding it out.if this was prefall creation, then he wouldn't need to do any of that, and men wouldn't rape little kids or slaughter them like animals, and evil wouldn't reign, but this is post fall, and man claims he's god, and that he rule himself as he wishes.so ask yourself, if that man is destined for destruction, and there's a whole universe out there watching, and wating for God to prove his righteousness and justice, will God kill a man before he is judged before his people or will he kill him in darkness, without anyone knowing, leaving questions to be answered? and accusations of murder and claims of innocence of that rapist/murderer that died?you think in 2d, and need to understand the reach of each action.>No they are outside our understanding of itthey're within the universe, but within YOUR limited understanding of the universe.see >>534674958you only know what has been revealed
>>534676302>You're arguing semantics.No, I am showing that matter is created and destroyed.https://www.britannica.com/science/pair-productionhttps://www.britannica.com/science/annihilationAre you going to give me the millions of dollars worth of time and equipment to accumulate the produced particles, capture them, and make them into gold?
>>5346765051 Samuel 15:3 / God commands Saul to kill Amalekite "men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys"Numbers 31:17-18 / Moses: "Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man"Deuteronomy 20:16-17 / God commands the Israelites to "not leave alive anything that breathes" in the cities of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, etc.Exodus 12:29 / God kills all firstborn in Egypt (including children of slaves and prisoners who had no role in Pharaoh's decisions)Genesis 7:21-23 / God drowns every living thing on earth except Noah's family (including infants, animals, pregnant women)Deuteronomy 22:28-29 / Rapist must pay the victim's father 50 shekels and marry her; she cannot divorce himNumbers 31:18 / "But all the young girls who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves"Deuteronomy 21:10-14 / Rules for taking captive women as wives (wait a month, then "go in to her")Judges 21:10-24 / Israelites slaughter a town but take 400 young virgins as wives for the BenjaminitesExodus 21:20-21 / You may beat your slave; if they survive a day or two, "the slave is his property" / no punishmentLeviticus 25:44-46 / Explicitly permits owning foreign slaves as inheritable property1 Peter 2:18 / "Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel"Deuteronomy 21:18-21 / Stone a rebellious son to death2 Kings 2:23-24 / God sends bears to maul 42 children for mocking a bald prophetPsalm 137:9 / "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks"Leviticus 20:13 / Death penalty for gay menif "God's morals" are perfectly communicated through the Church, the Church must explain why its God explicitly commanded infanticide, chattel slavery, and mass rape and why these commands are "good." Most Christians haven't actually read these passages.
>>534676484ChatGPT posting now because you’re too retarded to come up with a response you cringe Kraut? What a fucking gay lord. Lmaooo
>>534676302>Produce gold out of leadAlso you are retarded and that is a conversion from one form of matter to another not creating the matter which is done via particle/antiparticle pairs.
>>534676658>how we can understand what is true and false via our limited perceptionNow apply that to your position.>>534676658>>denying history as wellWhat history?>>534676658>How did we create GodWith personal feelings and opinions >if the laws of logic and physics that only exist in the mind They don't only exist in the mind >>534676669>Consciousness is streamed from a higher dimensionDemonstrate it beyond a reasonable doubt >>534676674>>Well he created them knowing they'd rape and kill kids. But he doesn't even stop them during the act.>he's called the Good shepherd for a reasonSo God shepherd the children to the rapist. And you call that good.
>>534676736You can’t account for how good is real or exists. Why isn’t it good? Can you explain how without just resorting to personal opinion? No? Then you’re literally retarded and I am right, once again.
>>534676505Are you talking about the guy that said to drink human blood, sell your clothes and buy swords to cut apart your family? That is your high moral ideal?If so, why do you still have limbs since he said to cut them off to avoid sin?
>>534676674>>No they are outside our understanding of it>they're within the universeThey exist outside our understanding
>>534676670https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avyUsPgIuQ0
>>534676806>You can’t account for how good is real or existsSure you can. By observation of one's actions and words.
>>534676806>Can you explain how without just resorting to personal opinion?You believe in the God you do based on personal opinion
>>534676802>Demonstrate it beyond a reasonable doubtExplain near death experiences where the patient shouldn't be able to hear, smell or see what's going on in the room but they do, plenty of patients, nurses and doctors are coming out to corroborate this, it's no longer a taboo subject.
>>534676861No thanks
>>534676768>According to the first law of thermodynamics and Einstein's theory, matter and energy are interchangeable, and a fixed quantity of both exists in the universe.>While humans can manufacture matter from energy, creating something from nothing remains impossible, adhering to the fundamental laws of physics.
>>534676802>Now apply that to your position.God made us in his image and gave us rational minds that can interface with the logical structure he set up. >What history?Stop being coy. You’re like a fucking woman. Disgusting.>With personal feelings and opinionsAre those real? There’s no physical evidence for these things. You don’t know that those exist. >They don't only exist in the mindWhere do they physically exist? The same place as personal feelings and opinions? We’re getting somewhere.> Demonstrate it beyond a reasonable doubtThe dimension of matter is governed by abstract laws which do not exist in matter>So God shepherd the children to the rapist. And you call that good.What is good? Where does that exist in matter?
>>534676954>Explain near death experiencesChemical reactions in the brain.
>>534676955> rejects evidence when givenSo that's what you are.
>>534676674An omnipotent being who rigged the entire universe to self-destruct because someone ate the wrong fruit is not a moral standard it's a toddler who flips the Monopoly board when he lands on your hotel. You've somehow managed to argue that God is simultaneously all-powerful and yet a helpless bystander to 'corruption' he himself designed the rules for. >Pick one.>>534676806You just proved my point. You can't defend those passages, so you pivoted.That's the Euthyphro dilemma: Is something good because God commands it, or does God command it because it's good?If it's A: then genocide, chattel slavery, and child massacre are "good" whenever God says so. Morality is arbitrary. "Good" is meaningless power-worship.If it's B: then goodness exists independent of God, and we don't need him to ground it.You've did not resolved this, which is why you ignored every passage I listed and went straight to insults. You don't have a moral framework, you are a slave to a someone elses writing. Your own retarded believe system fails at providing what it promises.
>>534677004You are dead, the cochlear, eyes and olfactory nerves are no longer transmitting signals to the brain, there's no physical mechanism to explain awareness after death.
>>534676935It’s based on logical argumentation based on maximum explanatory power which is an objective metric separate from opinion.>>534676894I’m sorry, but are you legitimately retarded? Not trying to be rude unironically, but how in the fuck do you get “the ontological existence of what good is” from “observing one’s actions”. I’ve observed an action. How in your view do I now judge it as good or bad? That’s what you are supposed to answer.
>>534677002>God made us in his imageHow do you know?>>534677002>>With personal feelings and opinions>Are those real?Here you are telling me about yours.>>534677002>Where do they physically exist?In the consequences of our choices >>534677002>The dimension of matter is governed by abstract laws which do not exist in matterGive a demonstrable example that is objective >>534677002>What is good?Our subjective interpretation >Where does that exist in matter?When we use matter to exercise morality based around our subjective interpretation of good
>>534677124>You just proved my point. You can't defend those passages, so you pivoted.The problem of evil has been discussed and refuted for literally 2000 fucking years. It is boring material with zero basis behind it, because any critique of it that rejects God must establish their own justified paradigm for how objective values exist. If your cannot do that, you automatically collapse. You still haven’t done it, so it’s impossible for you to judge anything by an axiom which you cannot actually justify as existing. Get rekt krautmonkey, maybe lean on GPT some more like the spiritual jeet you are.
>>534677023YouTube links aren't evidence >>534677130>boohoo>>534677136>It’s based on logical argumentationNah it's a presupposition based on your personal bias>>534677136>but how in the fuck do you get “the ontological existence of what good is” from “observing one’s actions”.See>>534674333
>>534677220Is circumcision objectively wrong?
>>534677327Yes.
>>534676980>matter and energy are interchangeable,No, according to those laws total energy is a measure of matter if it were moving at the speed of light, it doesn't say the matter can't be destroyed and make the energy of the matter go to 0.>While humans can manufacture matter from energyThen how much input energy is needed for particle pair production?
>>534677372I agree. God of the bible doesn't
>>534677151>How do you know?If we weren’t made in God’s image it would be impossible to understand the structure of reality he created as conscious beings because we would not be able to understand his creation. The scripture supported by Christ and the church says we are, and it does explain how we understand reality, therefore all evidence shows that this is correct and makes sense.>here you are telling me about yoursHoly shit some progress. That’s right. You’re processing meaning right now. Yet it doesn’t physically exist in matter. Yet you have no problem accepting it as being real. See how that works?>in the consequences of our choicesWhere does the collective concept and meaning behind “the consequences of our choices” exist in matter? Is it still real?>give a demonstrable example that is objective The law of identity does not exist in matter. If the law of identity did not govern matter identity would be impossible.>our subjective interpretation A subjective interpretation isn’t an argument, so you can’t actually argue for why anything is good or bad, you can just state your opinion. This is called losing a debate. “Erm I’m right because I just like feel like it”. Lmao
>>534677220You've pivoted three times without citing a single passage:First dodge: Moral ontology ("you can't ground the good") avoiding the text.Second dodge: The problem of evil , irrelevant. Evil is passive suffering; I'm asking about God actively commanding genocide, chattel slavery, and mass rape.Third dodge: Demanding I solve meta-ethics before I'm allowed to read a book. That's a category error. I don't need a moral ontology to spot an internal contradiction: a text claiming "God is love" while prescribing infanticide is self-refuting on its own terms.You ignored the Euthyphro dilemma twice. You haven't addressed a single passage. You're out of substance and hoping volume covers for it.If I say "my sacred book teaches that loving your neighbor is the highest good," and you open it and read "stone disobedient children to death," you don't need a PhD dissertation on moral ontology to say that contradicts itself. You just read the book.You also ignored the Euthyphro dilemma the actual philosophical challenge to divine command theory that remains unresolved after 2400 years. That's not "refuted." That's "ignored because it's inconvenient." Your entire position requires that I accept your framework before I'm allowed to speak, while you feel no obligation to actually defend the content of what your God supposedly commanded.
>>534677327Yes. Circumcision is a direct rejection of Christ’s fulfillment of the Old Testament laws which means by circumcising your child you are rejecting Christ’s role and status as God.
>>534677305So you can't explain it then. Chemical reactions don't allow you to see, hear and smell what other people are witnessing so that's not a valid rebuttal, the organs that do allow it have shut down so can't transmit signals to the brain until resuscitation occurs to restore blood flow to those organs. You probably have no idea how quickly these organs stop and start working because of blood flow, pitch black blindness occurs in mere seconds after blood flow to the neck is interrupted.
>>534677495I’m literally just skimming your posts and still not seeing you provide any explanation whatsoever of how you define good that isn’t just a personal opinion. I don’t give a fuck about personal opinions, I want a logical argument. It is impossible for you to argue for how something is objectively good or not if you define good as a personal opinion. Try feeding these into ChatGPT to get the thousands of years worth of responses to your retarded gotchas.
>>534677511Ahh the amazing "fullfill means abolish" defense while ignoring the "I have not come to abolish" and "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."Quick question, has heaven and earth disappeared?
>>534677461>>How do you know?>>534677461>The scriptureCircular reasoning >>534677461>>here you are telling me about yours>That’s rightI know lol>>534677461>Is it still real?Is your ability to judge consequences real?>>534677461>The law of identity does not exist in mattersomething must be a specific "thing" to change from state A to state B.>>534677461>so you can’t actually argue for why anything is good or badThen you admit you are unable to judge consequences
>>534676840>They exist outside our understandingyour understanding, yes, but they're still within the bounds of the universe.being outside of your understanding doesn't mean they dont exist, just that you still have yet to perceive them, in any capacity, except through word of mouth (others telling you of them)>>534676802>So God shepherd the children to the rapist. And you call that good.notice how i'm still talking to you?a bad shepherd would'nt care and send someone to try and recouperate a lost sheep.if you are a goat, that's fine, those who are of God will expose themselves in due time, but in the end, those that are his will be saved, those that arent wont.he tries to save even the rapist, because they too are under the influence of demons and blinded or stubborn, so they reject God.that doesn't mean that he wont leave them if dont repent, there is a cut off point where they are left to their devices, to destroy themselves.there's a larger game at playthe child being raped, like the murder rapist, and everyone that rejects God, is influenced by demons, and under attack, while willfuly doing evil, regardless of intensity.the only difference is that the innocent children have an excuse, the latter will run out of excuses and will be exposed or repentwhile those willfuly serving satan, and leading others to sin against God, they will receive the greater judgment, because they knew God.>2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.>>534677124>Pick one.i pick neither.you've proven God rightby you eating the fruit (adam, but you having inherited the basic knowledge of what good/evil is), you've shown that God destroying the universe is the right call.you know good and evil, yet lack the capacity to judge, while denouncing the king for judging his creation.
>>534677511>YesNot to your God. So much for your ontic referent lol
>>534677589>Chemical reactions don't allow you to see, hear and smell what other people are witnessingIt doest
>>534677647>I don’t give a fuck about personal opinionsSure you do. It's why you're a Christian and not a Muslim or Hindu
>>534677647Still dodgeing.Still zero passages addressed.internal critique doesn't require me to solve moral ontology, it only requires reading what your God allegedly commanded and checking whether it contradicts what you claim he is.Your book says "God is love." Your book also says God commanded infanticide.I don't need a definition of "good" to point out that a system contradicts itself on its own terms.You've had four replies to name one of the passages I cited and defend it. You haven't. That's you refusing to read your own holy book while demanding I solve 2,400 years of philosophy first.>>534677765So your evil god set the world up to fail, despite being all knowing, and having full control over everything. What a fucking retard.
>>534677327you need to be more concise in your word usage.circumcision or cutting off of the foreskin or flesh?circumcision, itself, is "to cut around", or, "to cut off the excess".so, objectively, to cut off the excess, is not wrong.
>>534677765>>They exist outside our understanding>your understandingYours too, clearly becaue you can't understand it lol>>534677765>>So God shepherd the children to the rapist. And you call that good.>notice how i'm still talking to you?Ego does that >>534677905>you need to be more concise in your word usage.Not really. We all know what I'm talking about
>>534677731>Circular reasoningNope. If we weren’t made in the image of the creator then we wouldn’t be able to understand the nature of reality. Scripture is tangential evidence which supports this claim. This is weak sauce shit. You a boomer from 2010 Reddit or something?>I know lol Confirmed concession 1: meaning behind language is not physically existent yet you still accept and understand that it is real and objective (independent of any one mind). Thanks for finally submitting here, you were obviously out of your depth.>is your ability to judge consequences realNow you’re even making my own argument for me. Mind broken.>something must be a specific "thing" to change from state A to state B.You are defining what the law of identity describes, the law itself ie this universal property is not material but governs material things. You have to think harder than usual on this buddy, you can do it. It’s a higher level of abstraction.>Then you admit you are unable to judge consequencesWe both can. I can explain how I’m able to. You can’t. Thus, I am correct, and you are ignorant of the answer.
>>534677805You cannot see/hear/smell what's going on in the room because those organs have stopped working, no chemically-induced hallucination is going to replicate what other people in the room are seeing/hearing/smelling because that's a statistical improbability, the organs have stopped working and yet every single time patients, nurses and doctors all recount the exact same events when the patient shouldn't be able to.
>>534677905>so, objectively, to cut off the excess, is not wrong.So, as a Christian you can use this excuse?
>>534636259>No afterlifenot for you faggot
>>534677958>>Circular reasoning>Nope.100% it is>>534677958>yet you still accept and understand that it is real and objectiveWhat is?>>534677958>>is your ability to judge consequences realStill waiting on a yes or no>universal property is not material but governs material things.How does it govern without observing its interaction?>>534677958>>Then you admit you are unable to judge consequences>We both can. I can explain how I’m able to. You can’tI did. >>534677984>You cannot see/hear/smell what's going on in the room because those organs have stopped workingIncorrect
>>534678116Circular reasoning is the best alternative, though, its why you are still depending on circular reasoning of what is good because god did it because god is good.
>>534677984>yet every single time patients, nurses and doctors all recount the exact same events when the patient shouldn't be able to.This is also not true
>>534678116>backpedaling on accidentally admitting that meaning in language has no material existence but is real and objective Mind broken. You continue to try and impart non physically existent, real, objective meaning in every post while denying the existence of non physically existent things being real and objective. Total domination. Catch you niggers next time.
>>534678210>>backpedaling on accidentally admitting that meaning in language has no material existence but is real and objectiveMaking up stuff now? LolClassic
>>534678116>>534678207>dismissal without explanation every single time
>>534678210>denying the existence of non physically existent things being real and objective.Such as?
>>534678306Things asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
>>534677904>So your evil god set the world up to failno, your evil god did, my good God set up guidelines for victory, and already won, again.from the first day of creation, he had already set up the victory, while your demon god, whatever you serve, set you up for defeat.that's why you lost>what a retardyes, your god, and like whatever demon god you worship, you are retarded as well.no refunds>>534677949but i do understand itunderstanding != knowingi dont know everything, but i can understand what i know and discover more from it, without needing teachers to spoon feed me.>Ego does thatnot ego, i like speaking the truth, especially of God.>Not really. We all know what I'm talking aboutwe all know the general usage of the word, but not the purpose of circumcision, which is why i clarified it for you/them, its to cut off the excess, and to set a precedent to be followed.>>534677985my foreskin is not cut off, i'm not circumcised in the flesh, im circumcised in heart and mind, as Jesus wanted.the circumcision of the foreskin, was a sign, for the promise God made to abraham, until the promise was fulfilled, which it was, through Jesus.so no, circumcision isn't wrong, not having faith in God is wrong.if you aren't saved through faith, on gentiles the circumcision is a sign of ownership, i.e. slavery, which means that the jews/israel/abraham owns you, outright, and through them, though not saved through faith, you'll still be saved through a jew, not to the same degree, not as sons of God, but sons of whatever jew owns you, not of the house of God, but the house of your specific jew, a lesser house, a lesser glory, a lesser reward (if any).so no, objectively, circumcision is not wrong, if its a way of you being saved, even if its just a little bit of you.
>>534678388>but i do understand itYour personal feelings and opinions ?>>534678388>i'm not circumcised in the fleshWhy?
>>534678388>circumcision of the foreskin, was a sign, for the promise God made to abraham, until the promise was fulfilled, which it was, through Jesus.So circumcision isn't objectively wrong
>>534678388Your god created it. He set up the failure. What is this Kindergarten shit. Do you accept the existence of multiple gods? Apparently my god is stronger than yours or your god would have gotten his way. I guess in the end the explanation was so easy. Evil exists because your god got cucked by the bull god.
>>534678450Unless you can produce a god or something like a divine flame of god for everyone else to observe like the prophets did in the bible to prove they were being truthful, your god is actually just a feeling inside your imagination too.
>>534678527>everyone else to observeEveryone can observe empathy
>>534678496Not if you are doing it to yourself to relieve the pain of your deformed penis, but it is if you are doing it to infants just because they were born with a penis.
>>534678595Agreed
>>534678591People worshiping false gods or no gods at all can display empathy too, but the bar in the bible for proving your aren't worshiping a false god is to manifest a divine flame to engulf a sacrificial offering, so if you can't do that, you are worshiping a false god and the bible says you should be put to death.
>>534678624So you agree that god is evil since he commanded people to mutilate infants just for being born with a penis?
>>534678699>People worshiping false gods or no gods at all can display empathy tooExactly. Everyone is capable of it. With or without God.>>534678735>"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things".
>>534678363https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37423492/The AWARE II study supports the idea that the brain doesn't create consciousness, if it did then consciousness should cease to exist when blood flow stops and organs stop working but the study shows that new experiences still form for a significant duration after clinical death. Your eyes are closed, you cannot see, no chemical reaction will allow you to precisely see what others who are alive are seeing and yet NDEs recount exactly what others are seeing.The brain is a receiver that filters out consciousness which is being streamed from outside of the body (nonlocal).
