durring 19-20th century it was dull physical labortoday it's intellectual things like maths, law, accountingsoon, with improvement of humanoid robots it will be trades99% of you will be useless witin this century because Tech-Oligarchs will have all the stuff produced for them dirrectly by robots and AI, you will not be needed nor as labor force nor as consumers and you will probably die in poverty in favella
>>534670935idgaf desu senpai. they will either introduce some form of UBI or the mob will (hopefully) just burn everything down to the ground. they might also just exterminate us useless eaters but i´d rather settle for the UBI :)
>>534670935I’m a nurse so my job is safe. I’ll enjoy being at the top of society.
>>534671266>idgaf desu senpai. they will either introduce some form of UBI or the mob will (hopefully) just burn everything down to the ground.first of all, that UBI will be small as hell second, UBI will probably be introduced durring intial stage then they will simply exterminate useless eaters, because useless eaters will not be needed nor as labor force, nor as consumers
>>534670935Aldous Huxley was your only warning.
>>534671321>ubi will be small as hellthats ok, i have been poor all my life and will be poor for all my life because i refuse to work. as long as the state pays for my room and my tendies i´m fine>useless eaters will not be needed as consumersHow did you come to that conclusion?
Favela isn't allowed by zoning laws in US. Tents on the sidewalk are but not slums.
>>534671452>How did you come to that conclusion?logicallything is what with implementation of AI and future development of humanoid robots - why would elites sell product to masses to buy stuff when robots would be able to produce all the shit for future techno-feudals - from toilet to huge yacht
>>534671438Brave New World is more prefferable outcome than what to comein BNW at least, they kept masses entertained and content, in our future elites won't even need masses and probably will simply erradicate them
>>534670935They will kill off billions of useless eaters soon with vaccines, famines, wars, and fake alien invasions.
I hope we will develop some sort of augmentations or prefferably bioengineering to keep up with AI
>>534672264This is true. But it's ok. Nobody lives forever.
who tf gonna carry out the order to kill everyone ? the elites WANT to be liked and to rule over somethingatleast I fucking hope so
i think they already tried in history before. if they succeed but keep a few useless ppl alive for entertainment how would we even know? dead Internet throery and digital quarantine bubbles like sandbox virtual PC but for information your screen receives
>>534672501you know amazon 1 click to buy, these companies got one click to kill to have the drone automatically fly to you and kill you. they just gotta add you to cart
>>534672501thats narcicist, narcisist are simply pawns of autistic-psychos
>>534672586I thought of that btw, and I think at best, they gonna keep around their uni and/or school friends
>>534670935How are the elite going to sustain their new lives? Who will buy all the shit they are making?
>>534670935>how do feel about becoming useless class?Back then it was labor, then intelect. They seemed to change the bar while we adapt, but they get angry that we adapt and i wonder if they just want us to die altogether rather than adapt to the thing they do to us.
>>534670935Uselessness includes tech oligarchs. Only thing they have is the ownership contract. Marginal cost of action in an AI world is different.>>534671452>>534672374Cuckposting the new spiel to prep the cattle for AI slaughter?
>>534677045yes, future will be defined by ownship of robotic labor force and land resources
Magic AI robots running everything is a hilarious pipe dream by techbro fart sniffers
>>534670935Still gonna fuck. Still gonna have kids. Simple as.
>>534671537Why the masses don't have their own legacy economy among themselves they do everything old school?Look, Jen made herself look more orange the Don in the thumbnail hahahaha she did it on purpose
>>534670935Robots are a nothingburgerAI is a nothingburgerRobots will never have the fine motor control of a human being. You think a robot will be able to lay bricks, construct a house, perform electrical work? You're dreaming, maybe in a hundred years. White collar professions will see huge declines in numbers but those were never real jobs anyway.When the AI bubble pops it's going to have huge consequences for the global economy but especially the USA and China. Trillions of dollars have been funneled into AI in the hope of future payoff when AI is better and does everything for us, which will never happen.
>>534670935good. give me a computer, internet access, my girlfriend, a place to stay with food and water. i don't give a shit about this stupid world. i just want to have fun on my own.
>>534680039Lol, this is why you will be culled by techno-olichars, because they will want more resources - they don't want to share, especially if it's some pleb
>>534680039And if everyone does the same as you, who will build and maintain the infrastructure you rely on to be a bum?
**The question from the /pol/ thread is a sharp one:** Why don't ordinary people ("the masses") just build and sustain their own parallel "legacy" (old-school, pre-industrial/modern-corporate) economy — local production, barter, mutual aid, small-scale farming/crafts, cash deals, etc. — instead of depending on the fragile, AI-vulnerable global system that might create a "useless class"?### Why it mostly doesn't happen (realistically)1. **Economies of scale and productivity crushed the old ways.** Old-school local economies were the default for millennia because transport and communication sucked. A village produced its own food, tools, and shelter. The Industrial Revolution (and later globalization) delivered vastly higher output, cheaper goods, variety, and living standards. A modern tractor + supply chain feeds hundreds; a guy with a hoe and horse feeds a family. People *voted with their feet* for the efficient system — higher wages, medicine, gadgets, mobility. Legacy methods survived only in niches or poor regions.2. **Regulatory and legal capture.** Modern states don't easily allow a clean parallel economy. Zoning laws, food safety regs, labor laws, licensing, taxes, building codes, and environmental rules make old-school scaling illegal or expensive at anything beyond hobby/farmers-market level. Try running an unpermitted slaughterhouse, cash-only construction crew, or unregulated school — you get shut down fast. The system enforces participation through compliance costs that favor big players.3. **Capital, specialization, and network effects.** Most people don't have the land, skills, tools, or community trust for self-sufficiency. Comparative advantage is real: it's more efficient for a software engineer to code, buy food from efficient farms, and pay taxes than to become a mediocre farmer.
Hyper-specialization raised living standards dramatically. Building a resilient local economy requires high social trust, shared values, and coordination — rare in diverse, mobile, low-trust modern societies.4. **Incentives and human nature.** Comfort and convenience win. Cheap imported clothes, Amazon delivery, Netflix, welfare/state support, and status goods outperform grinding in a legacy setup for most. The "masses" aren't a monolithic group with aligned interests; they're atomized individuals chasing personal gain. Attempts at intentional communities, communes, or separatist economies have high failure rates (see history of utopias).### Could a legacy/parallel economy still work better in an AI era?Some truth to the post: AI/automation could *enable* more decentralized production (cheap 3D printers, CNC, local energy, open-source designs, crypto for transactions). We already see fragments — homesteading trends, maker spaces, local food co-ops, gray/black markets, crypto barter networks, Amish/religious communities that opt out somewhat successfully.
But scaling it to "the masses" faces huge problems:- **Coordination failure**: Without strong culture/religion/ethnicity holding groups together, defection is easy (free riders, internal conflict).- **Vulnerability**: Small-scale is less resilient to shocks (bad harvest, disease, raids, regulation) than diversified trade.- **Status and fertility**: High-productivity modern economies correlate with (delayed) wealth, but low-fertility. Legacy setups often have higher fertility but lower material standards.- **AI itself**: Advanced AI + robotics might make even "legacy" methods hyper-local *and* ultra-productive, or it might centralize power further in whoever controls the models/energy.**On UBI and "useless class"**: The thread's skepticism is reasonable. UBI assumes we need to subsidize masses forever because jobs vanish. But history shows technology creates new demands and jobs (agriculture industry services ?). A parallel legacy economy could absorb some displacement via lower costs of living, local value creation, and reduced reliance on corporate/state systems. However, expecting widespread voluntary adoption ignores why people left those systems originally.**Bottom line**: It's not impossible in pockets (rural areas, tight-knit communities, crisis-driven collapses), and it might grow as a hedge against AI disruption. But as a full replacement for the masses? Unlikely without major cultural shifts, regulatory rollback, or systemic breakdown. The efficient, specialized, high-trust + high-tech path won for a reason — the challenge is adapting it to AI without creating dependency or instability. Local resilience is smart insurance, not a panacea.
>>534682990>>534683023>MdashIt's over
>>534683090You cannot own land, no one can, it's impossible And it gives tons of produce, more than you can eat alone
Ukraine drones are 300 dollars? Made at the kitchen table?
I have seen in Brazilian news, Brazilian poors who steal richer Brazilians have an anger towards them out of this world.
I'm kind of happy. Most people that have vented their frustrations to me are usually mad about people being idiots or something stupid happening.When they're replaced with AI there will be no more complaining or mistakes being made that can't be fixed by an engineer.
