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Attempting to ban or restrict porn will be the death of the America First movement.

Remember "I just wanted to play video games"? Well that applies to porn too.
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>>534711224
Kill yourself you disgusting degenerate. You’re not needed in any society.
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why does society collectively not care about how easy it is for children to access hardcore pornography? this is responsible for so much being wrong with Gen Y and Gen Z
inb4
>be a better parent!!
it's impossible to police this for their entire childhood, even if you don't give them devices, their friends will have them, and child safety filters are easily evaded
inb4
>but muh heckin' fascism!
im not asking for fascism. im not asking for backdoor control of the internet. I'm asking for the problem of children easily accessing pornography to be addressed. currently it's not addressed in the slightest. reddit, meta, etc. are public companies and serve children porn all the time with zero consequences
if liberals don't fix this problem, fascists will
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>>534711224
>Stop going to war for Israel
>Regulate banks
>Regulate corporations

...

>No I'm going to tax people who sell pictures of themselves online! That'll fix our problems.

This is why I hate conservatives. Not that they are wrong on principles, but they are always wrong on what is most important.
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>>534711444
Because society is a bunch of pedophiles and sex pests. Any other argument is a huge cope, nothing more, nothing less.
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There is nothing more antisemitic than restricting youth access to pornography.
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>>534711224
>tax
Top kek, why not just ban it? He doesn't give a fuck about porn, nigga just wants to siphon money to government from it.
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>>534711224
Classic conservatism. They claim to love "freedom" unless it conflicts with their retarded bible beliefs. The world would be better off if we killed every single christcuck, jew, and muslim in the world.

>>534711444
>it's impossible to police this for their entire childhood, even if you don't give them devices, their friends will have them, and child safety filters are easily evaded
Not my problem. Raise your fucking kids properly with the tools you have. If you're so bent out of shape about keeping your son from jerking off, that's nobody's job but yours you retarded christcuck nigger.
>SMALL GOVERNMENT SMALL GOVERNMENT
>AAAAAHHHHHHH HELP MY GOVERNMENT PLEASE RAISE MY KIDS FOR ME
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>>534711224
Holyshit that bitch is ugly as fuck.
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>>534711444
>checked
It's not our problem to raise your fucking kids. If you can't do, fuck off and don't have them. If you dislike the first amendment, there's plenty of other shitholes you can live in.
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>>534711224
>fishback
top kek.
>muh god
kys.
While his name and reasoning is shit I still support him.
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>>534711886
It's the 1,000 yard stare that gets me. The stare of 20,000 virtual cocks, soulless.
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>>534711444
>im not asking for fascism. im not asking for backdoor control of the internet
Okay, but this is how it always starts.
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>>534711224
Based
Death to simps
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>>534711224
Nobody that matters subscribes to OF whores. Worthless coomers and degenerates.

But, I still think you're right. It's just like how rightoids hate taxing millionaires because they picture themselves as a temporarily embarrassed international playboy coomer billionaire and they wouldn't want to be taxed or have any restrictions once they finally hit those winning lotto numbers.
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>>534711224
Fucking hell they're retarded, thankfully it's working in our favour in this case kek.
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If you want people to have kids the average pay has to be enough to support a family.
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>>534711224
>Remember "I just wanted to play video games"? Well that applies to porn too.
No. Porn is a degenerate business.
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>>534711444
Make it illegal for children to access the internet. All electronics devices should require proof of identification when purchased only.
If caught it is contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Constant monitoring violates the 1st, and the only thing gov can control is commerce.
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>>534711224
>I totally oppose this
>that’s why I’ll take a hefty cut and allow it to continue
Fucking kikes are the devil’s spawn
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>>534711224
whores btfo
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>>534711224
Why not just nationalize onlyfans?
You can then moderate sin through price control.
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>>534711224
There was once a decadent movement to spite witchcraft and obscenity laws
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>>534712489
>muh feelings

>>534712588
>ban this! restrict that! it's for le HECKIN KIDZ

You're just leftists wearing a different color. You don't believe in freedom, you believe in making everyone else conform to your idea of decency.
>inb4 KIKE!
Literally the same as some leftard tranny calling me "NAZI or "CHUD"
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>>534712449
No. The whole Demiurge Saturn moon matrix is gay.
Start with something like Dumbing Us Down by John Taylor Gatto and work towards the Conspiracy Against Humanity by Ligotti
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>>534711224
America First is a nationalist and conservative movement, not a lolberg/shitlib one.
>>>/r/eddit
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>>534711833
>>534711924
>I HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPOSE YOUR CHILDREN TO PORNOGRAPHY!
no you don't. It has nothing to do with "raising your kids properly". it's just as illegal to give kids drugs. Yes you can "raise them right" by teaching them to avoid certain bad people, neighborhoods, etc. but if a 7/11 is letting kids buy alcohol, that 7/11 gets shut down instead of facing zero consequences or autists saying it's the parent's fault for raising their kids wrong because a 7/11 sold them alcohol, or even gave them free tastes of it
>>534712285
maybe, but perhaps you could nevertheless try to solve the problem anyways? as I said, if liberals don't try to fix it, then fascists will. And liberal in this context means anyone who is pro-pornography. Gooners crying and crapping their pants about how hard it is to fix the problem doesn't make the problem go away and make parents stop caring about it. It's like liberals that pretended the border wasn't a problem under Biden
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>>534712836
"To each his own" and "live and let live" are fundamentally liberal beliefs.
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>>534711224
Damn she's hitting the wall FAST.
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>>534711224
Just give them the death penalty, it's not hard. If there's a death penalty that becomes law, they'll quit.
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>>534711224
Taxing hoes and simps is based.
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>>534712908
Yeah that's gay too I always go to a different store if some cunt cards me
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>>534712908
>pornography existing is the same as me "exposing" your kid to it
I pray to god you don't have children because you're way too retarded to breed. Do the world a favor and kill yourself.
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>>534712908
No one forces your kids to do anything you dipshit. If your kid sneaks into a strip club, that's your fault. Raise your own fucking kids, shitstain.
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>>534711224
why doesn't she just move out of Florida?
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>>534711833
>Classic conservatism. They claim to love "freedom" unless it conflicts with their retarded bible beliefs. The world would be better off if we killed every single christcuck, jew, and muslim in the world.
Don't forget liberals.
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>>534713288
>checked
You'd get rid of the majority of the problem with the kikes.
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>>534712908
You wont be able to stop your kid from drawing furry porn. It isnt a human at least.
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>>534711224
How the hell did degenerates on 4chan get bamboozled into thinking that Republicans were the party of free speech or that the bible thumpers magically stopped their eternal crusades. Did they really think game devs and journalists were wielding real political power over sexy stuff?
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>>534711224
This is a much bigger hit to producers than consumer. You can literally find only fans trash online for free
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>>534711444
If you consent to building the digital panopticon you don't get to complain if a bad actor uses it to destroy your life.
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>>534713368
Every christian should be rounded up and deported to sand land where the other two "my bible is better" nutjobs live. There they can fight and kill each other over which of their fairy tales is superior while the rest of the civilized world watches, grateful that they no longer have to deal with that kind of retardation.
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>>534712908
God I had parents so fucking much. The world doesn't revolve around your retarded shitheads.
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>>534713174
And thus we see the difference between the kiked lolberg who thinks that it's good and proper to allow markets and culture to turn society into a moral minefield, and the traditional conservative who thinks that order, family, community, etc are actually worth protecting and preserving.
Neck yourself, you jewish cunt.
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>>534711224
Anytime a person watches porn a Jew takes a dump on their soul. Banning it would be a service to society.
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>>534713654
>MUH MORULZ
your morals can blow me. I think it's immoral to impose your morals onto other people.
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>>534711224
The problem they are trying to fix is, that onlyfans make so much more money showing asshole than more important jobs, like surgeons or whatnot.
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>>534713654
Just be Amish you stupid fuck, no one is stopping you. You can homeschool your kids, live in an Amish or Mennonite community and do every LARP thing you want. Your morals are based on a sand nigger death cult that has rules for slavery, beating women then says welcome foreigners and turn the other cheek. It's a pussy religion for faggot kike lovers.
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>>534711224
It's already impossible to fuck a woman and now fucking christcuck whores are going to ban porno. WHAT THE FUCK.

EXACTLY HOW DUMB ARE YOU GOYIM CATTLE?
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>>534713799
lel, I won't waste any time dealing with a lowly shitlib like you. Just fuck off back to plebbit.
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>>534713174
>sneaks into a strip club
the reality is
>obvious 10 year old walks in. is asked if he’s 18. he says no. welcome in!
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>>534713163
it was good when it only existed in stores. now an 8 year old can easily access gangbangs on reddit. no one faces any repercussions for this
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>>534713799
>. I think it's immoral to impose your morals onto other people.
This is why we will always be divided. People who believe in freedom but understand it means people doing things you don't like are the minority.
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>>534713853
Civilisation belongs to conservatives. My suggestion is that you and your degenerate, amoral ilk fuck off and make your own civilisation.
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>>534713943
If your 10 year old is wandering around to a strip club without your knowledge in this day and age, you're retarded and negligent. Your kids will do the same shit you did as a kid though, so pretending otherwise is braindead.
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>>534711224
TAXATION IS RAPE
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>>534713905
I accept your concession christcuck. Don't forget to bless Israel today while worshiping your jew on a stick.
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>>534714025
>now an 8 year old can easily access gangbangs on reddit
Who gave him the device? Who didn't put parental blocks on it?
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>>534714041
Eat shit, conservatives don't exist. You conserve nothing and aren't right wing, contrary to your kike bullshit. We already have a civilization, you sand nigger lovers are the ones that have taken over and destroyed it.
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>>534713358
This is impossible to argue against because I could list out a bunch of really shit institutions ran by Anglo-Saxons, and you'd just say "but they're actually secret Jews".

I'm sick of the anti-Jew fags on here, and I don't even like Jews.

To me, all anti-Jews are really just christcucks in disguise. The number of people willing to renounce Judaism and Christianity is nil.
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>>534714097
>pulls "christcuck" accusation out of his kikehole despite no mention of christianity from me whatsoever
lel, how very telling.
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What is Fishback's position on Shitwood?
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>>534714062
it was your dumb comparison, the internet is not some red light district. it’s incredibly easy to access porn, without even meaning to
just clarify things for us: do you think it’s a problem or not that kids can easily access pornography, despite the best intentions and practices of their parents?
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>>534714128
Anglos are shabbo goys, fuck off, kike lover. I'm an atheist and all your sand nigger religions are trash. White people didn't make a single one of those sand nigger religions.
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>>534714118
>fag with genuine liberal beliefs tries to tell me about what it is to be "right-wing"
kek
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>>534714113
the school gives kids tablets and laptops, a kids friends can have devices, and parental controls are a joke
now please stop exposing your ignorance of what modern parenting is like
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>>534711224
Porn is free you retard. Stop paying for online whores you freaks.
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>>534714190
Not my problem, if you don't want to ever encounter porn or a naked woman, live in an Amish community.
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Not my problem. Not because I'm a larping trad christcuck like the majority of /pol/ chufa. But because I'm not a simp loser who sends money to these ((((((((creators))))))).
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>>534711224
>Fishback
Are you serious, Nigger. What kind of name is this. Kek.
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>>534714278
thank you for being honest about the fact you’re a coomer who places effortlessly convenient access to porn above all other concerns, we must agree to disagree then
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>>534714256
Don't send them to school then, dipshit. You can homeschool, send to a Catholic or some other sand nigger school. You have plenty of choices you just refuse to do it cause it's easier to toss them in public school and ignore them.
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>>534711224
no it won't. people are sick of degenerate gooner perverts and even worse the chomos with their 'drawings'
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>>534711224
I could use the ban, I'm getting seriously perverted
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>>534714348
>all parents and children must radically uproot their lives just so i am not slightly inconvenienced in accessing pornography
you know we’re the future of society right?
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>>534714256
>parental controls are a joke
nobody who says this has any idea what kind of parental controls exist and are just lazy niggers who don't want to parent their kids. You can completely control what your child has access to on the internet, or even when your child has internet access at all, you just don't want to figure all that out so you'd rather have daddy government do it for you.
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>>534713833
Until they bring back witch burnings and concentration camps for OnlyWhores and paypig simp faggots, nothing is getting fixed
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>>534714425
No you aren't, the future of society is 3rd world shitskin garbage run by feudal kikes.
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>>534714261
Neurons that fire together wire together
If a person becomes conditioned to arousal and orgasm after browsing thirsttraps on Instagram, their natural path is to to go towards the low ability low resistance social media porn sites like Twitter and Reddit and then to the next escalation which is Onlyfans.
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>>534714426
when’s the last time you tried them? do you even have kids?
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>>534711224
There's a difference between watching porn and subscribing to onlyfans, these onlyfans whores are parasites who leech off the loneliness of men and should be taxed 1000%.
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>>534711224
>If I only get 50ct to every dollar I charge I now also only want to get only 25ct to every dollar I charge
Didn't think that through did she now
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>>534714417
>The only people who care about legalized pornography are the exact kind of people we don't need.
Counterpoint: People who don't believe in personal freedom should be shot without question, starting with you.
>bringing up loli shit out of nowhere for no reason
lmao
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>>534714559
Of course they're parasites, no different than sports niggers, celebrities, talking head media, etc. This country is just scams and gambling, there's nothing else thanks to kikes. OF is just a symptom of the destruction of our country cause we don't have sound economics or monetary policy, so people move to the easiest way to make money.
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>>534714613
Look how enraged this guy is, threatening to shoot anyone who takes away his pornography. You're the exact reason it needs to be taken away.
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>>534714705
>i'm not angry, you're angry!
says the person seething over people looking at online titties
Your entire argument boils down to
>YOU NEED TO LIVE YOUR LIFE THE WAY I WANT YOU TO
And my answer to that is: No. Kill yourself you shit-eating nigger.
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>>534714477
i’m the one fighting against that future, you aren’t so your opinion doesn’t matter
reproduce or die
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>>534714671
His point is that men are lonely and OF gives a proximity porn doesn't provide.
By interacting with the whore, you get a personalized interaction lonely men mistake for intimacy.
These whores gain profit from men with shitty lives, hence the term "leech."
Yes, the lonely men epidemic is a symptom of a greater disease.
>Inb4 some really successful uber chads consume OF content
naxalt argument. kys.
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>>534714232
I called it. Everyone who disagrees is a Jew, and everyone else who is bad is just a Jew in disguise.

You sound like a psyop operator, if I'm being honest.
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>>534714846
Again, your typing in all caps fuming, lashing out, telling people to kill themselves if they threaten the only intimacy you've ever had, that of a picture on a screen and your right hand.
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>>534714877
>checked
If you were, you would be actually fighting against endless brown immigrants and kike rule. This country is insolvent and all the money is being stolen by kikes and shabbos. Complaining about porn while the entire country burns around you.
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>>534714927
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>>534711224
Porn is bad for you.
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>>534714903
No shit, it's a symptom of the greater problem. Women voting, shitskins flooding in, all the assets being stolen by kikes.
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>>534714995
Its a spiritual war out there
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>>534715139
It's a spiritual war within us too.
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>>534714995
>Porn is bad for you.
its really not.
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>>534714960
i am but this thread isn’t about that, don’t be disingenuous and change the subject
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>>534715231
It takes all of us to stand up to those who are going to attack us for telling the truth.
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>>534714942
>you're fuming!
>you're lashing out!
project harder. you're the one obsessed with what other people do. I just want to be left alone. You no-porn retards are just authoritarian niggers who feel the need to police others under some twisted sense of "morality."
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>>534711224
If you are too incompetent / inept / ugly / socially retarded / brown to get laid in 2026, you deserve to suffer.
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>>534715251
Oh, well as long as you say so.
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>>534712908
>Things exists
>Therefore all children are exposed to it

Also why is it "MUH PORNOGRAPHY"

Every single day on 4chan/twitter/etc of people getting exploded by drones, Jeets throwing themselves on tracks, and Chinese dying in industrial accidents.
Yet all I ever hear from cuckservatives is PORN PORN PORN PORN. Why are you so sex obsessed?
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>>534711224
PORN IS FUCKING FREE
WHO THE FUCK IS PAYING FOR THIS SHIT?
JUST GO TO XVIDEOS LMAO
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>>534711224
porn ban is the trojan horse for global digital ID
aka mark of the beast system
no digital ID no payments, no social services, get fucked and die
porn is bait
literally fucking bait
like a bucket of apples in the middle of the forest meadow
and everyone is a fucking deer
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>>534713368
bible thumpers quit existing when the crusaders broke up centuries ago. people today who can't name 5 of the 10 commandments aren't thumping shit
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>>534715311
I'm not sure about what to do because I too ignored the warnings in the past.
Finding God took pain and time.
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>>534715344
You're literally just yelling at me because I called you out. You care way to much about pornography and it shows. It has nothing to do with "personal freedom" that's a cope you use. With your argument if I stopped you from jumping off a bridge and killing yourself I'm just an authoritarian who wants to oppress you. Strange, where have I heard that line before? Again, sage
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>>534714980
George Bush started two wars in the Middle East. Trump started one. Which one of these are Jews?
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>>534711651
TruTru
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>>534715379
that doesnt say anything about how its bad for you
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>>534715255
It's literally about just OF tax, you're crying about porn, stay on topic too. Or you can talk about the cause of the problems, rather than the symptoms.
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>>534711444
>im not asking for fascism. im not asking for backdoor control of the internet.
But that is what you are getting. And you will get it good and hard, so lube up.
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>>534713654
>the traditional conservative who thinks that order, family, community, etc are actually worth protecting and preserving.

If they actually believed in any of this, they wouldn't be stepping over homeless people on their way to work or let Jews turn everyone into usury

Suicide rate for children in America was actually a lot less when the internet was more free.
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>>534715439
Have you ever questioned why it's free?
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>>534714041
>Civilisation belongs to conservatives
What have you conserved?
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>>534715523
Both are shabbos goys. Bush was a retarded drunk that was just a figurehead like Biden was. Trump is a willing participant in the kike nonsense. All politicians short of a choice few are garbage and should be tried for treason.
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>>534711395
You are not real.
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>>534711224
On this topic, RIP M0th3rlel3ss.com. Karens killed it.
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>>534711224
walled
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>>534711224
right wing politics is how do I tax people without sounding like a socialist. tariffs is one way, this is another.
if you think it's about the morality of it you fell for it. they don't give a fuck about prosecuting epstein, releasing pedophiles to go back to flee to israel, or starting wars for ressources all over the world. There is no morality in the us government.
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>>534715659
I'm on the side that will make it a death penalty to be in porn.
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>>534715570
i accept your concession
please enjoy your friday night jacking session
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>>534715518
>You're literally just yelling at me
No I'm not you hysterical faggot.
>You care way to much about pornography
says the person who wants to ban it
>It has nothing to do with "personal freedom"
You literally want control what people can and can't do.
>You don't understand, I need to protect you from yourself! l know what's best for you and I need to take your porn away for your own good!
lmao
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>>534711444
So just teach kids about sex and love since early ages. There's literally nothing wrong with it. In a society that normalizes sex and nudity porn loses its power.
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>>534715724
So you live in a fantasy world. At least you're honest.
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>>534711444
Im struggling with this now as a parent. I've almost given up. It doesnt matter how much I try, the neighborhood kids are
browsing the internet without supervision or filters. I banned my kids from playing at other kids houses because they saw a gore video and had nightmares for weeks. Now some of the older kids have phones on them and I'm stuck between the choice of accepting its gonna happen or locking my children away to become weirdos.
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>>534715468
That's not stopping them in Texas from forcing you to display those commandments in schools
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>>534715795
Just make the law. Let the courts say it's ok to make porn. Force their hand, so to speak.
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>>534715681
It is acktually 403, that kinda sucks.
Anissa kate has decent tits.
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>>534715855
The gay porn doesn't cause homosexuality people sure think that the ten commandments can turn you Christian.
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>>534715872
The law is the constitution you fucking retard. First amendment would not allow your bullshit, so go live somewhere they allow it.
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>>534711224
I can't even fathom who'd pay the whores.
It boggles the mind.
Porn is literally free.
And these chicks literally hate you
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>>534711224
I'm fine with this shit up until the internet ID shit. That's just no.
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>>534715559
No you're right, it was banned in the entire western world until 1967. Everybody who lived before you was just an uneducated retard who had no concept of these things and you're the le epic smart individualist who can see through all the lies. Even with the truth staring you right in the face you refuse. Pornography is a tool of oppression, why would any man captured by it try to become better? Why are their endless testimonials of men and women who kicked it swear by its dangers. All that is fake, trust the science or whatever. Hope you get another 4 boosters or something..
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>>534711651
While i hate every woman and think they should be burned on the flaming corpse of thier simps.
I agree completely
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>>534711224
get fucked you coomer faggot. porn is jewish and a cancer and if any whites have a problem with that then i hope they see the light and recover from their addiction but if not then they are with the enemy and their opinion is meaningless
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>>534715559
Stop using porn for a week and see how you feel.
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>>534715756
If you weren't grasping porn so hard your knuckles were turning white you wouldn't care if it was taken away. I don't watch it therefore I don't care if it gets taken away because it has no effect on my life. On the other hand you care so deeply you are sent into an emotional rage telling people to kill themselves or threatening to shoot them yourself if they dare threaten your little crutch you use to hide away how ugly you really are. Am I controlling you by stopping you in the act of suicide? Does that make me a fascist? Poor you.
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Why do pro-ban people even post on this website for anonymous free speech?

Why don't they feel more comfortable on reddit which implements pro-banning policies
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>>534715938
Who said the concern was that it's going to turn kids Christian?
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>>534712489
Yeah, but gen z and gen a are incredibly stupid niggers that cannot even find free porn on the internet and every one of them has a subscription to some OF whore
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>>534712285
>backdoor control of the intranet
Cloudflare says hey lol
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>>534715940
picrel is later than the Bill of Rights, but perhaps captures the level of "reality" one could achieve with what they called the "press".

Note how it's not photographic (photos hadn't been invented), and it's not a movie or video.
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>>534716270
>you like to post on 4chan therefore you should be okay with kids being drowned in pornography
this is really your stance?
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Do the anti porn guys still whack it? I tried just looking at the wall thinking about boobies, it was a tough go
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>>534715559
>Used to destroy countries.
>DoEsN't SaY iTs BaD fOr YoU
What a massive faggot with 0 ability to comprehend or put forth thought. Hence the faggotry.
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>>534716293
oh no they'll see the Ten Commandments and then they'll stop masturbating and start going to church, what will saint netanyahu slayer of demon spawn of iran (children) think of that?
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>>534716124
Lmao @ your attempt to twist this around
>I, the person obsessed with banning porn to the point of comparing it to stopping you from committing suicide, actually don't care if it gets taken away
>You, the person who just wants to be left alone, are actually the one obsessed with it and it clearly controls your entire life. That's why I need to take it away from you.
Spare me your self-righteous bullshit. You're the same as every other tyrant in history.
>You don't understand. You're diseased. You need me to save you. Ugh, why are you making me do this? I'm just trying to help you!
Help me by jumping off a bridge, retard.
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>>534713833
It's a very unproductive use of money as opposed to having it spent and benefit a community, lord only know where that OF money gets laundered to
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>>534714041
they can't lol
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>>534716439
Yes considering half the boards in the catalog are porn.
If you were morally principled you would stay away. But you're not. And instead go on evil porn website to advocate for banning and censorship.

You can't have your selective cake while advocating for X instead of Y

Kids also shouldn't be exposed to the evil oppression of your opinions which are nazi and racist coded. That's the general consensus they have on other social media like Reddit.
They fit more in line with your agenda, yet here you are arguing on this website.
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>>534716439
It's as if they think telling the truth should be limited to a website, the truth is the truth. Porn is a political weapon being used against the western people of the world. It has always been recognized as this, but I guess because some Jewish doctor said it's actually super healthy because it makes your pp tingle all other downsides of it are washed away as purity spiralling. These guys are so serious about opposing the Jews that they demand you let the Jews continue to poison them allies like this who needs enemies.
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>>534711224
The cum must stay eternally with me.
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>>534711224
>As a Godly man, I'll make sure I only take half of those whore's wages
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>>534713833
That's a perfect example of how interest groups, such as jews, can control people into acting against their own best interest.
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>>534711224
Porn should be outright banned.
Circumcision also.
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Only jews are angry about this
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>>534716717
You sound like the same group of lunatics that said Pokemon and Harry Potter were corrupting the youth. You belong in an institution. You unironically believe looking at breasts online is some kind of "evil."
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>>534716610
Twist it around? Everybody can read our posts and see that everything I said about you is true. You literally still cannot stop yourself from calling me an evil tyrant and telling me to kill myself, all because I threatened your booby pictures. How sad is that? Self righteous? How is it self righteous to subject myself to being to die from some nothing like you? I'm merely telling the truth and you hate that, because you hate yourself.
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>>534711395
Neither is Christianity.
It just needs Europeans who love Europe.
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>>534711444
>it's impossible to police this for their entire childhood, even if you don't give them devices, their friends will have them
Well then belt the fuck out of your kid's friend's parents for being shit parents.

If your child has shit friends it's on you.
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>>534712908
You’re not a fascist. You’re a bolshevik communist. No real fascist is against his country’s definition. And for white america the constitution defines us as a nation. Fuck you and I hope you and your jewish kids are burned alive by african niggers. Go to hell, kike
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>>534716717
yeah i don’t think children should be able to access 4chan either, just like they shouldn’t be in strip clubs or brothels, you’re not making as nearly a coherent an argument as you think you are
we “theoretically” have it as illegal to serve children up pornography, but do it through a website and it’s fine. do it through a store and you’re a pedo groomer going to jail, do it online and who cares just a part of life
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>>534716839
Being told to die*
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>>534716827
>You sound like the same group of lunatics that said Pokemon and Harry Potter were corrupting the youth
No.
How about you comment on the actual merits of the argument instead of resorting to the usual strawmen and punching bags?
No one here is attacking Harry Potter.
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>>534711444
>im not asking for fascism.
You quite literally are.
Don't worry though, you'll get it, just like the UK did.
Not my problem though, I don't live in your state.
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>>534711651
of funds israel so taxing it into oblivion helps with the first demand
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>>534711224
Christ
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>>534711224
Oh good, taxes and banning work great right?
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>>534711444
>I'm not asking for X, I'm just dismissing every alternative to X and demanding *something* more be done
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>>534716919
I don't care about children.
I think you shouldn't be able to access 4chan
Because you're gay and pro-censorship.

I think if you argue for anything pro-censorship you should be on pro-censorship websites like Reddit and Neogaf where you're relegated to your own kind.
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>>534716641
of proves women are unloving entirely, and do it all for cash. There's no other thing that is woman, that's the one kind of woman thing: the whore. You know this because the of "model" isn't hated by all women, which they would be if their behavior was shameful.

There was a man who exploited a child, he killed her too. He was a FedEx driver. We understand that was abuse, but women are the FedEx drivers of life who exploit men.
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>>534711444
I agree but you can't legislate morality. Look at the Amish. Gee, I bet they have zero porn addicted teenagers. You know who's making and distributing the porn? And making sure it's teehee whoopsies in a place you'll find it when you're 12? It's Jews.
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>>534711444
All those goy shuffles and face scans you have to do for online ID is made to protect children. Seems like they are working on it.
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>>534717066
ok well we can talk when you reproduce and have white children like i did
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>>534713040
And “dIgital ID” is a fundamentally jewish communist belief.
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>>534715797
Maybe tell them about the dangers of the internet like our parents never did?
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>>534713654
You’re a jewish communist and your imported pet nigger muslims are about to eat you alive. What’s the next country you’re fleeing to kike?
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>>534716919
I think children should be able to access 4chan /pol/ but ONLY pol. And the porn should be removed.

Nigger's ok though. Kike is meh. Don't freaking overdo it though.
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>tax the consumer
>stops making
wew, can see why she did onlyfans and not economics.
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>>534714190
So then BAN PORN YOU FUCKING KIKE. Lying little jew. But no, you want to keep porn legal while installing jewish digital ID. Burn in Hell, kike
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>>534711224
I piss on religion and I piss on all these moralfag freaks. The utter destruction of MAGA and conservatism is a necessity for the whole of Humanity at this point. They're trying to drag us back into darkest barbarism and they must be stopped at all costs.

>>534717139
No, it's fascism in a nutshell and the essence of everything right wing.
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>>534711224
The government has been doing this to smokers for years
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>>534717135
You shouldn't be able to talk here at all.
Go fucking home unc
Fucking bitch ass old man

Go fucking play dictator in your HOA boomer bitch
Stay the fuck off the internet
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>>534711224
They should get 50% tax for having shit taste and low standards. Imagine paying money for that goblin when there's almost infinite content of free higher quality women.
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>>534711224
Fishback is too based
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>>534717066
>You can't be for censorship on a pro-censorship platform
This is the same logic they are using in Germany to ban right wing parties.
They claim that people can't vote to end democracy if they see fit.
You are speaking from the perspective that the system must be preserved over the people it's meant to serve.
Meanwhile, the anti-porn perspective is that if rules are not beneficial then they should be changed.
Personally, I don't think censorship will work, but I'm not opposed to it because the minimal hassle required to bypass a ban might be enough to deter a lot of people struggling with addiction, which I'd argue is every male over the age of 14 at some point in their lives.
It's the same reason why they tell suicidal people to leave their gun inside a case.
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>>534711224
This is correct. There is no broad right wing coalition, people voted for Trump because they were tired of nigger riots and trannies, that's it. The right was politically radioactive for years and years because it was associated with televangelist jack thompson types. They finally managed to change brands, and immediately that type crawls out of the woodwork and starts tradfagging again, and it'll have the same result. And you have all these meme faggots who want to pretend like it's some kind of kike plot for men to want to see a naked girl, this place is going to look like a subreddit in five years.
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>>534717228
fuck off
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>>534711395
>t. seething eggless foid or simp
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>>534716270
Because they’re jewish political activists so they are trying to clog up their opponents forums
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>>534717335
let’s clarify things because you’re being emotional and possibly disingenuous:
do you think children should be able to legally access and purchase and be sold pornography under 18?
all i am asking for is this ban to be meaningfully enforced in an online context, i am not asking for any new bans or restrictions that already don’t exist in the books
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>>534711224
>>534711395
>simps most affected
Literally figure out how to subjugate a woman
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>>534717415
???

Didn't you dislike that the FedEx driver raped and killed a little girl? But if you know that exploiting her was wrong, why don't you hate the of whore as well?
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>man polling 9% in the Rep primary against the Trump endorsed black man's 54% wants to ban porn
OH NO! WHO GIVES A SHIT!?
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>>534717273
Don't ever let them tell you that digital ID is required to ban porn. You don't need digital ID to arrest the porn producers in California who bring in underage children from around the world to make videos. You don't need digital ID to shut down all of their websites and subsidiaries. You don't need digital ID to make an announcement that you will prosecute anyone who produces porn with the intent to distribute it to large Audiences, even if you did all those things you would still protect people who have nude pictures of their spouses (that's another argument these Jews will hurl out as if they actually care about that at all)
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>>534711224
Odds of this Fishback character actually doing anything if elected?
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>>534717534
about the same as Trump giving no new wars and mass deportations
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>>534717534
Zero, sadly
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>>534711833
>if I cant watch women being railed in the ass by some degenerate with a horse cock my rights are being threatened!
Lol
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>>534711444
>im not asking for fascism

I am.
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>>534717573
They're self reporting and they don't even realize it. Or they don't care. I don't know which is worse, remember when people used to be ashamed of these things?
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>>534717308
>it’s FASCIST in our 50% shitskin migrant country where criticizing israel is illegal!
No kike, it isn’t. People in Nazi Germany had FAR more freedoms than Americans or Europeans do today. Rope yourself fucking bolshevik.
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>>534717429
You're right, they shouldn't be able to legally access those
Lets arrest them for it. Touching porn gets kids jailtime now
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>>534717357
There's no such thing as porn addiction, it's something conservacucks conjured up to justify censorship and repression. There should be no restrictions on porn whatsoever and anyone and anything opposing this freedom needs to either step aside or be torn into pieces.

A total war against conservatism, no mercy this time. Civil society allowed them to fester for too long under the assumption that they'll leave free people alone. This did not happen, the totalitarian beast has endless hunger for subjugation and slavery. It must be crushed entirely. And yes, all parties, individuals and such who oppose freedom and flirt with fascism and right wing crap need to be outright removed from any sort of influence or possibility of influence. It's time to go forward, and nothing should stand in our way.
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>>534717429
>YOU'RE EMOTIONAL YOU'RE EMOTIONAL
Is that like your catch phrase unc?
sorry this shit only works on your dumb whore wife.

>all i am asking for
Yeah all I'm asking for is for you to fuck off to facebook so you can go cry about the local niggers walking on your lawn

Fuck off old man
Go quote your HOA laws to your faggot neighbors who are sick of you

4chan used to be a site where bitcoin and drugs were sold openly
Now we have faggot boomer dads here talking about needing to ban tits and bad words because it might hurt his fee fee's
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>>534716919
I think you need your fucking head caved in with a golf-club and your children should be chemically castrated to end your pathetic cuck lineage, but thankfully you don't have any so the only expense will be the wet-wipes to clean the club.
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>>534715436
Why are you a degenerate gooner?
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>>534715523
Lol wow
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>>534711224
She's not even hot...looks like a carrier for retard genes lmao.
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>>534717661
good job on dodging the question that would expose your actual beliefs, you’re probably just another gooner getting emotional about your porn
should it be legal or not for kids to freely access porn mr anti censorship?
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>>534717648
Gotta have the death penalty for people posing in porn, aka the "models". Just passing it will put a stop to it.
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>>534715797
>I banned my kids from playing at other kids houses because they saw a gore video and had nightmares for weeks.
And you didn't confront the parents about this? Maybe let them know what their children are doing and exposing other kids to?
That seems like the appropriate response instead of "you can't have friends anymore."
The worst parents are generally the ones who hover over their children 24/7 and try to shield and insulate them from every bad thing and every outside influence. I'm not gonna tell you how to raise your kid, but I will tell you that being a control-freak like this never has the intended effect. You risk them growing up resentful of you and rebellious. My advice would be to actually talk to and teach your kid about the world and its dangers instead of trying to shield them from it.
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>>534714030
That’s literally what laws are you retarded ancap kike.
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>>534717785
You want to execute every kid who picks up a porn mag? Harsh
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>>534717664
Why were there zero "gooners" in the 18th century? inb4r

inb4r = in before reddiot eg
Don't do a reddit like "I found a guy who owned a bunch of paintings in France".
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They shut down motherless, let's shut down onlyfans next. It's all jewish anyway.
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>>534717657
There's a lot of literature supporting the idea that porn consumption can develop into an addiction.
Furthermore, a lot of the studies championing the so-called positive effects of porn were funded by the porn industry.
Can you really tell me with a straight face that you think that OnlyFans and MindGeek having, until recently, rabbi owners was a coincidence?
If "civil society" tolerates this evil then it's civil in name only.
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>>534715940
>t-t-the first amendment wont allow it
Appealing to a piece of paper that means exactly dick to the people enforcing laws is the ultimate cringe.

Also, you can 100% guarantee the people that wrote the bill of rights didnt intent for it to include obscene material. So your appeal means NOTHING gooner.
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>>534717851
oi oi oi yer drunk m8
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Should be 90 percent for most whores and 99% for anyone making over a million a year. They should also be ineligible for healthcare coverage for being filthy sluts filled with whore diseases and doing whore activities.
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>>534717429
>do you think children should be able to legally access and purchase and be sold pornography under 18?
Yes. Children should have access to all information pertaining to the human condition so that they can grow up to be well informed adults. Censorship only produces retards and slaves, which is why right wingers advocate for banning everything. Pornography is sexual education and sex is not evil or bad. This is why religious fucks hate it - it disproves their fictions merely by being an undeniable fact. Nothing right wing or christian (and muslim and jewish) can survive contact with reality.

Exposure to all facets of life, as mentioned, creates informed and inquisitive adults who simply know life itself. Porn, which is to say sex, is just one facet of a well rounded life and person. Your entire premise rests on the tired bullshit that sex is evil. It is not. Your religion is a lie. Very simple.
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>>534711224
The karenocracy will continue to employ its most powerful weapon, "think of the children", until digital ID for all is the law of the land and the data leaks that leads to have sufficiently embarrassed porn consumers enough for the karens and their simps to gloat "see! we told you so!". And the right will continue to sit down and take it, because muh principles. It was never about freedom. It was never about less regulation or small government. It was always about moral grandstanding and finding new and innovative ways to bitch about society, because they're jealous of all the people who got to participate in it while they were kept at home and overly sheltered.

>>534711651
True

>>534711833
Karenism extends beyond religion, it just plays overly religious people like a fiddle when it's convenient
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>>534711224
I hope the next revolution leads to forced deprogramming of christniggers, and gas the ones which persistently refuse deprogramming. Christniggers destroyed /pol/ for the last decade.
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>>534717881
It's not even hard, no conversation, just push to have laws that make being a porn "model" have the death penalty.
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>>534716610
If whats keeping you going in this world is beating your meat, youre honestly lower than a nigger. They atleast get pussy
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>>534717784
>DA LAW WHAT ABOUT DA LAW, ERM UHM WHAT ABOUT LEGALITY
I have your IP address and post history
the cops will be on their way soon for posting on an anti-sematic board. Your anti-semetic beliefs aren't legal in your state.
You're going to jail for a long time bud
Say bye bye to your house
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>>534717661
>Just let the Jews propagandize the population bro, it's not that bad bro, I have 37 subscriptions to OF trannies bro it's chill bro why are you so jaded bro, just touch your pp to guys in dresses like we do bro
Shocking revelation
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>>534711444
ban internet until over 21, treat it like alcohol. if you give it to your kids you lose your kids etc.
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>>534717888
>Also, you can 100% guarantee the people that wrote the bill of rights didn't intent for it to include obscene material.
Benjamin Franklin ran around France with his dick out banging as many french chicks as he could.
Thomas Jefferson fucked his own slaves.
The idea that the founding fathers were prudes is a ridiculous notion.
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>>534717855
The ancient Greece had to lock up nude statues of women because people would break in and jerkoff on them.
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>>534717642
>People in Nazi Germany had FAR more freedoms than Americans or Europeans do today.
Not true. They were slaves of a totalitarian regime, and you will never bring it back.

>>534717881
>There's a lot of literature supporting the idea that porn consumption can develop into an addiction.
Christian "science" isn't real science. The rest is of no importance. Pornography is beautiful and should be celebrated.
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>>534717870
Oy vey then how will shekelbaum earn his honest living, you just hate hard working folk you terrible fascist antisemite oy gevalt.
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>>534715659
You have an unfalsifiable theory.
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>>534718030
Cool. They fucked.

They did not like public indecency. At all. You weren't even allowed to show toilets on television until like the 70s anon.
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>>534718009
Pretty sure its largely legal in the states to actually just let your kid drink, mostly the law is specifically against selling booze to them
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>>534711224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnVUHWCynig&list=RDEMP88Q434vrk8g2adWIF598Q&index=3
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>>534718059
>im a monkey
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>>534717855
>Why were there zero "gooners" in the 18th century?
There were lots of them, and Casanova was famous for it. There's a lot of Western lolicon from the 18th, 19th and early 20th century as well. Pornography is beautiful. It is life itself.

>>534718056
Your stupidity is impressive.
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>>534718059
>Pornography is beautiful and should be celebrated.
>>534715379
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>>534718207
Are you suggesting I said something untrue?
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>>534715797
>or locking my children away to become weirdos.
More weird than watch porn and gore?
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People were waffling on about age verification in this country, then it happened and now its restricting access to porn, most notably pornhub. I haven't heard a single person mention it, since they all just googled porn and found the next result without age blocks. There's always somewhere else.
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>>534718056
Your iq is too low for this conversation. you think your evidence is in your favor.
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>>534718178
No argument I see. Pornography is what makes us human.
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>>534711224
This tax will literally only impact South Asia
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>>534718269
But we are not to argue with them. Pointless! But, we must get the laws made, and have them upheld, that of models receive the death penalty.
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>>534718265
Porn is as old as humanity. You can accurately judge a civilization by the quality of its pornography.
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>>534718312
What exactly are you arguing? There were no gooners before the 1800s?

What exactly do you think im arguing?
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>>534715379
Yeah all sorts of art has been used in that way, zooming in on porn having been used in that manner too isn't some gotcha
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>>534718404
Why did the jews show porn on Palestenian tv?
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>>534718385
The first art of a sexual nature is waaaaaaay later than human society anon. What are you talking about? Lol are you trying to make an objective statement or reading from your wishing journal?

How are you different than a monkey?
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>>534718296
I was annoyed about the 'block' on Twitter until I found it just doesn't apply when you browse by a user's Media tab
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>>534718522
Maybe they hoped the terrorists would rather have a wank than blow themselves up, or it would chill them out a bit
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>>534718542
>The first art of a sexual nature is waaaaaaay later than human society anon.
It is so old it predates our species. The rest of your post is irrelevant.
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>>534718404
That was always it's intended purpose whether your ready to admit it or not. All if does is cause harm. It provides no benefit to society and only seeks to brush all problems under the bus. People say if porn was banned today then all the men would revolt, so therefore in the absence of porn the men would have already solved the problems we still face today but overthrowing the people in authority. Is it starting to click yet?
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>>534711444
make it illegal for anyone younger than 18 to own or touch a smart phone or computer
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>>534718394
Yes. I mean, when we say "there were no" we don't mean that there weren't extraordinary cases.

Let me give you an example.

There has never been a 24 hour analog watches sold at Walmart.

If you go to their online page you can find some. aha you may say.

I'm not going to go through the long drawn out thing.

The redditization basically makes everyone retarded.

There are no women who have the hots for fat nerds.

It's just how it is, that's all. The rare exception is so exceptionally rare it's not relevant.
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>>534718668
>It is so old it predates our species. The rest of your post is irrelevant
Didn't realize dinosaurs were making porn
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>>534718736
The death penalty for of "models" is enough to alter the situation. Make it count for the past too.
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>>534718558
A friend of mine got verified by sending a bluery pic of him flipping off the camera. I'm fairly sure most sites just did minimum compliance to avoid being hassled. Companies like meta and X aren't going to miss out on ad shekels because of what our irrelevant government thinks. Every account I still use was 10+ years old and was auto verified as above 18. I still don't like it, but i was unaffected and everyone complied, they won.
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>>534718668
>It is so old it predates our species
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>>534718695
This sounds like that commie mindset that all pastimes and entertainment are bad just because they let people relax and blow off steam instead of have a commie revolution, can't remember the name of the exact dude who was known for it
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>>534718899
don't you know about Gooner Sapiens?
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>>534718749
So youre saying it was less common to be a degenerate in the past?

Depends when and where. Romans had baby chutes in their whorehouses for all the unwanted children.
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>>534711224
I fully support this and want this implemented throughout the EU too.
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>>534711444
Checked
>all the mindbroken porn addicts and JEWS and POOS seething at this post tells you all you need to know
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>>534714041
Name one thing conservatives have actually contribute to society and culture besides bitching about it and trying to censor it
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>>534718915
Lol yeah right, banning porn is akin to banning karaoke right? Because porn is no different than karaoke it allows you to "relax". Also, yes I'm a Jewish Bolshevik for wanting to end Jewish ran pornography. It's incredible the lengths people will twist themselves into to protect pornography at all costs, I wonder why?
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>>534715436
usually the most degenerate too
I used to bang this bible thumper whos parents were huge cuckservatives and it turned out they were swingers
i found out from my older brother's friend that he was approached by the mom at his gym that both of them go to
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>>534711224
>I won’t tax billionaire jews but I’ll tax random whores on behalf of Jews
Cuckservatives are so fucking stupid
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>>534711224
An "onlyfans tax" isn't the same thing as ID verification. I don't see downsides to this besides the fact that the government would be raking in money from porn and it probably wouldn't stop it.
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>>534711444
This is just some incel pretending porn is why he’s a fucking loser kek, always the same shit on here
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>>534718961
No. I'm saying gooners didn't exist.

It's a long and drawn out thing to explain, I'm saying they didn't exist.

Here's a similar statement:
No Americans are astronauts.

let's see how correct I am.
~ 0.0000019314 astronauts per usa

I just assumed all living astronauts are Americans to sort of account for the possibility the space program heats up.
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>>534719093
>fertility goddess
>pornography
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>>534711224
Mecha-Kikes steal tax money and give no services back. They are on both parties.
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>>534719106
Probably the Jews are behind it so they can steal even more from the people they're already abusing in their own industry. All tax dollars go to Israel anyway, and the guy who created only fans only gets what like 5 or 10 percent? Now the Jews in Israel will get 50 percent too! Ban it outright it's unchecked exploitation.
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>>534719179
fapping to prehistoric fertility cult idols is just basic 1a activity, anon. America is a judeo-scientific country.
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>>534712449
>If you want people to have kids the average pay has to be enough to support a family.
Oh, they want people having kids. They just don't want a certain kind having kids.
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>>534717472
>Why don't you hate this adult woman who is selling images of her body during the act of consensual sex like you hate this guy who violated and murdered her child
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>>534719178
I understand your point, I disagree. Pagan nations didnt have the concept of sexual degeneracy. They didnt consider it a problem, thats a Christian moral standard.

One of the first things the Christian German invaders of rome did was close down the whorehouses. Rome was famous for its pleasure cities. Pompei was a pleasure city, go look at all the preserved frescoes. All sex shit.
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>>534719350
In the one case, only one healthy relationship was violated, that is of one girl who would have grown up to have a life and family.

But in the case of the of whore, hundreds are destroyed.

The same is true of romance authors. They should receive the same penalty as of whores aka models.

Anyway, just passing the law would stop most of them.
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>>534719179
Christcucks like j*ames fishback absolutely see it as such. We gotta ban depictions of rape porn too
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>>534711444
If you care about 'muh kids' then you are arguing for the immediate execution of all politicians and all jews world wide as well as the genocide of all migrants.
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>>534719368
You have zero understanding of the nature of existence in the past.

Consider that your pagans couldn't read, and also that there weren't any books.

They didn't need books. They didn't need to sit on a couch to experience a story. They were the story.
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afk
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>you will pay $7 a gallon for gas
>red puritans will ban everything the blue puritans missed
>you will die for israel
>and you will be happy
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>>534719518
>well they r both destroyed
Yes making a porn video is identical to being murdered
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>>534711224
Yeah ok, trying to impose your religious views on your constituents won't end well. They're not going to win.
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>>534719637
>the source of virtually all recorded history of ancient Europe
>couldn't read
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>>534711224
Video games were an excuse we used to justify a return to traditional morality. We used it to sell our agenda to young white men. Video games create weak effeminate men
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>>534711224
i have never paid for porn in my life. i torrent all my porn and reencode it into 480p to make it smaller and make the whores look less busted
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>>534711224
I'm getting real sick of this israeli payed(US taxes) for christcuck propaganda everywhere now.
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>>534711224
and what about the Epstein files? Are the jews and rich people free of the sin tax?
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>>534711444
>if liberals don't fix this problem, fascists will
fascists have never fixed any problem.
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>>534714128
>iq not high enough to come to same conclusion that humanity has repeatedly reached for thousands of years
lurk two more years before posting faggot
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>>534714170
The founding fathers were pedophiles.
Fuck this idiot.
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>>534711444
We should execute all the moralfags constantly crying for more censorship.
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>>534711444
good post. it's totally wrecked the dating scene as well. porn should be banned. 300 dollar fine for viewing porn, 2-3 years for performing in porn, death penalty for producing and distributing porn. nothing less.
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>>534721229
We could ban porn and you’d still be an unfuckable loser crying on here
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>>534720066
Checked and forsooth.
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>>534715518
personal freedoms are important
taking them away isn't the way to go
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>>534721368
you argue just like a woman
>sex is the only unit of value i understand.
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>>534716839
>Everybody can read our posts
I just did and you should be killed.
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>>534719932
Imagine if you put that intelligence for great use.
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>>534720352
That is a narrative you just made up.

Tell me what the last major revolution was. You're a faggot who will pilpul, so I'll share the answer with the class.

Tthe Enlightenment was the last major revolution. It was Europeans against the Vatican. The result of this did not lead to the overturning of Roman power over Europe, but it granted the space for a resistance to develop. This resistance grew over several centuries and culminated in the English Civil War and then American Revolution, the winners of which stated the Jesuits were their primary enemies.

The pro-Vatican people became also known as the Black Nobility, as the center of power migrated out of Rome to northern Italy to Germany and Switzerland to England and to America.

Among the rising factions in the past 700 years, along with the Anglo-Saxon, is also the Jew, which had previously been limited in Europe until the secret societies which were their competitors (eg, the Templars) were outlawed. So, what did the Templars do? They converted to "Judaism". That's literally how old any of these "jewish" factions are, and it's merely a result of Franks trying to kick Vatican agents out.
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>>534722476
it is a great use. i've got a fantastic porn collection that will fit on all my devices
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>>534711224
Based porn and prostitution is degenerate, people should pay artists and animators to make smut instead.
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>>534721851
Women's solipsism is crazy vro



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