Why did Britain stave the Irish?
>>534712469>the british
>be an island>surrounded by water>don't go fishing???
>>534712469We do a little trolling
>>534712469They needed a good staving. Spare the stave, spoil the child.
>>534713112Ireland lacked the economic capacity to produce enough fish to feed it's population though. Britain suppressed Irish fisheries so they did not compete with British ones and took food grown in Ireland as the Irish. It's pretty inexcusable.
>>534713375My dude all the "Irish" things were British. Ireland was (and inherently still is) British. The British people living in Ireland couldn't afford food during a global famine and now a bunch of wewuzzers cry about not getting enough gibs.
>>534712469Have you ever met an Irish?They did us all a fucking favor.
>>534713292>>534713155>>534712469As good jewish shabbo golems they did the needful and now are being redeemed by shitskins
>>534712469God cursed the British by destroying its global empire. Now look at them
>How many potatoes does it take to kill an Irishman?>0
They thought the free market would solve the issue and so they didn't restrict exports from Ireland. Then they realized how badly they fucked up but it was too late by then.
>>534715538I think they did it on purpose, Britain has constantly tried to subjugate Ireland, including by moving transplant populations in, like Northern Ireland. When you think about it, a lot of the things Israel did to Gaza, Britain did to Ireland first. Their denials sound pretty Jewish, too.
>>534715538>Then they realized how badly they fucked upyes, this is something that is completely ignored when people discuss the faminethe british population itself sent considerable aid to ireland, and eventually the british government wanted to help, but it was just too late by then, the potato crop continually failed and it was the overwhelming majority of crops in ireland at that point I think, trying to just magically switch over to wheat or barley wasn't possible. Aid failed because people didn't expect the famine to happen year after year, they saw it as a one off
>>534713112You weren't allowed to fish if you were catholic
It was a natural plant disease caused by phytophthora infestans, which also affected other parts of Europe, most of the land used to grow crops was poor quality as landlords owned the good land used for other things.
The British didn't starve them. A small protestant government made choices which didn't work out well for another group of people on a neighbouring island. What is often ignored is that Britain has always had a small but significant Catholic branch of aristocracy. During the period the Irish were hungry, these wealthy British Catholics sent a considerable amount of aid money to ensure the Irish had the means to survive. What happened to this money? It was largely pocketed by Irish clergymen. I have written accounts in a record of historical correspondences between my family in Britain and my family in Ireland thanking them for £2000 pound, but lamenting it won't go to those who needed it.This is never recognised!
Every time a Brit eats Fish and Chips, an Irish baby dies of starvation.
ironically, more people as a percentage died during the irish famine of 1740, but nobody ever talks about that
>>534716211post it
>>534712469does anybody know what actually happend here im rolling for the people that owned the food sold the food and said fuck you to everybody else did the crown confiscate the crops or some shit? is complying with the confiscation considerd treason? does litterly anybody even know about the potato famine ?
>>534712469For siding with the true king of England against Cromwell.
>>534712469Basically a disease hit Irish crops, the British were ruled by a libertarian Government so didn't do anything at first.But Robert Peel eventually protested and set up soup kitchens.So the British weren't being evil but just following an ideology, it didn't help that the fenian brotherhood invaded Canada in 1812
>>534716445not Peel, gladstone
>>534712469England placed the Irish in indentured servitude and decided potatoes were to be their cost-effective food staple. When the inevitable crop failure occurred, the british naturally did nothing at all to save them because, well, that's just how the british are. Now America is full of Irish, but at least it's not full of insufferable brits.
The people who starved from lack of potatoes were people who basically didnt interact with the wider economy. The had a tiny plot of land, planted and ate potatoes and didnt pay any tax. Should people like this be bailed out? There were to some extent. There were work houses.Growing up is realising the British were right.
>>534716548If you aren't ethnically British you aren't really American
>>534716279Some people that dont pay tax live in the west of ireland. Suddenly they want hand outs. British government's drags its heals because nobody leaps to handing out money like that. A year later later, large numbers of people really are dying and emigrating and it makes the British look bad so they finally act.
>>534716730>makes the British look badDoing something bad doesn't make you look bad. It makes you bad.
>>534716590yfw the local lords didnt ask the crown and or parliament for relief for the citizens... yes they should be bailed out lol it weakens your community and thus everything they could have given them emergency loan's or cut them some kind of tax deal so that the population of the kingdom didnt fucking die offif nobody plead the case of these people then its a local problem if not its different even a lunatic sociopath would think this is bad they had to be stupid or evil
>>534716823In Britain's defense, the Irish aren't very smart.
>>534716823lol, the jew has to ask. Funny thing is that they know exactly what makes them look bad they just have to ask as they have no shame in saying whatever they can to deflect instinctually.
>>534716730how large are the number's? they just let thousands of their subjects die?its dumb paying tax or not humans are a resource at that level tax is simpily a form of resource exploitation all rulers know this shit
>>534716909>how many people are there?They refuse to be counted because then they are taxed.>how much do they have themselves?They refuse to disclose this because then it can be taxed.>are they really starving?It seems so but we have so little information. Shit moves slowly. Oh shit lots of dead people. Speed up the process.
>>534717053Why not just kill british and rob them instead of farming???? Saar?
>>534717169Too hungry.
>>534716802I still laugh when I watch 1812 war documentaries. An amerimutt general was literally pissing his pants when we laid siege to it. And why wouldn't you?You're literally at war with chad and your just a little virgin amerimutt that doesnt trust a standing army.You would be lucky if we saw you as a femboy sex slave for each man in the baracks to chuck his muck into while you cry like an amerimutt bussy boy bitch.
>>534712469Demographics. Without the genocide Ireland would have roughly the same population as England today.
Any fellow Irish find English women very attractive? Something about their faces and their accents. Not just the posh ones either but also the slag ones.
>>534717202How the fuck did the irish even mamanged to get conquered by UK they are inferior manlet subhumans. We didnt even get conquered by j*pan until they were given modern technology by the wh*Tes.
>>534717321It didn't happen overnight, English tried for 1000 years.
>>534717215>brit attempts masculinity>homoerotica ensues
>>534717215I'm sorry we murdered you too hard in 1814 and you still can't let it go. Maybe you lads can try it again and see how it goes?
>>534717321Normans conquered Britain and ireland pretty much simultaneously and Normans were Chads.
>>534717490Yes obviously they are from Scandinavia. UK are just rape babies of the viking bvlls who pump their BWC into fertile celtic women.
>>534712469They didn't. In fact they went through huge measures to try provide food and purchased additional corn and wheat for them (there's an act of parliament about it). But naturally, don't let the truth get in the way of a good lie.
>>534713112It’s 1860. You need to live within 20km of the coast to make fishing viable. At the avail limit because cars don’t exist yet Einstein. Be legally allowed own property like horses and carts and boats. Have the capital to invest in such things. Whats the chances this Nigel has no idea about the reality of his own history. The Brits love to talk about the empire. But absolutely zero is taught in detail in their school curriculum about it. And they don’t ask why. They do. There was the empire. Then it was done. And no more. Even at university level it’s never really probed.
>>534712469Because they’re evil
>questionthread
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>>534717321Why are britbongs so short kekThey need to be conquered by Americhad whites asap
>>534716590And how did 3 million people end up in Galway in half acre plots? And where did they live 100 years before. And who owned the thousands of acres in Ulster and Munster and Leinster? How did a few dozen foreigners. Claim the land of millions of Irish? And why type of force was being used that made them move in starvation to that stony soil in Connaught?Did they just voluntarily give up some of the world’s most valuable farm land for the craic? Take a look at this photo. It’s a pretty tourist attraction now. But each tiny plot was sustaining a family of 2 to 16. With only one crop that could grow in that acidic soil. And they left under threat of murder and tyranny. Now they are just pretty empty fields. They used to be teeming with millions. Hard to believe.
>>534717269>But also the slag onesSuch a romantic people, the Irish
>>534712469Same reason why we conquered half the fucking world. Because we fucking could.
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>>534712469it was jews
>>534718134Don't take me up wrong m8. I love English women. I'm not trying to insult them.
>>534717978Automatic rifle combat favours short people.Even in history being short is better in wrestling, like japanese ju jitsu.Personally i'm 6ft 2 but i'm half scottish and the english had their day with us many times.
>>534718057Invited normans to their lands.
>>534718238Just move to England bro, common travel area and all that. And I hear the ladies love an Irish brogue so it should be like shooting fish in a barrel
>>534718136Silence Ranjeet
>>534718136It was actually a miracle. Look up the battle of plassey 1757, 50 000 indians vs 3000 Brits and we still won.Not by technology since they levied many cannons against us, but by sheer force of will and class. This is the battle that allowed us to become the dominant power in India.
>>534717572The normans weren't from Scandinavia. They were from France. And the small boats and their even smaller crew who ever landed in France had been there for well over a century before they conquered England.There was a massive difference between being conquered by normans and actual scandinavians. The normans were french who spoke french, were christians and exported feudalism and gothic architecture. The vikings were actual scandinavians who spoke mostly old danish, were pagans who exported danelaw and no kind of lasting architecture
>>534718983Most of my ancestry comes from the UK and I wish I could claim my British heritage but, alas, some retards back in the day decided they needed to throw tea in a harbor.
>>534719055The Normans were descendants of Vikings who settled in Normandy.
>>534719055The Normans were the Northmen that fucked up France so hard that they weee offered their own land just to stop.
>>534716445A disease did not hit Irish crops. It was a Europe wide blight, only the Irish were dumb enough to support a family of 12 solely on back yard potatoes.
>>534713375Brainlet take.Ireland was simply considered part of Britain at the time, so there was no conscious effort to undermine nor destroy them. Many of the British aristocratic families are Irish, the male hero of Pride and Prejudice is Mr Darcy which is an Irish-Norman family name.Britain wanted free trade within the empire hence the potatoes were sold outside Ireland.
>>534719115Just the nobility. They intermingled and assimilated with the local population in the lands France granted them.
>>534716279>the people that owned the food sold the food and said fuck you to everybody elseMostly this, plus there was a rule where you had to trade at market prices and not engage in any forms of protectionism.
>>534718057I don't know what you potato niggers were doing achieving 15% to 20% population growth over the course of a decade for several decades in a row. Ireland doubled it's population in the span of 60 years. I get that the potato enabled this, but jesus bro, doing this off the back of a single crop was asking for trouble, and the trouble found you in the form of potato blight.
>>534712469It wasn't on purpose I think. Britain's treatment of Ireland was 1:1 what's happening with the west today; a crushing of native people economically and spiritually, trying to replace them and creating a renter's economy for the sake of total control. They didn't expect the blight to wipe the last crutch. We're all living in conditions that led to the Famine, the question is what our potato is.
>>534719784That's a good point. With the centralization of the food system into e.g. farms in Idaho, food corps, and then grocery chains, people have never had less food security. What is the situation like over there? Are you highly dependent on imports? I often wonder how we would survive if we had no refrigeration or plastic. With the corporate system, it doesn't look as if planning for serious emergencies is going to raise any stockholders' income, so doubtless these entities which control the whole of our food supply will be short shrift if something critical happens.
>>534713375>Britain suppressed Irish fisheries so they did not compete with British onesIt's actually the opposite in both extremes; there was notable investment in Irish and Scottish fisheries under the Tories earlier in the 1800s (especially under Pitt), followed by a total lack of any intervention in them (supportive or obstructive) under the Whigs. The non-glib reason it didn't really make a difference was a lack of distribution networks; hardly any railways, poor roads, limited canal routes. So even where fishing continued, there wasn't much of a way to get it to inland areas being hit by the famine
>>534717719or maybe people were just too drunk to fish or do anything so some losers got salty years later and made the IRA to bomb shitit takes lots of bombs to keep the split for good trust me you can't half ass or drunk ass it
>>534717719>Whats the chances this Nigel has no idea about the reality of his own history. The Brits love to talk about the empire. But absolutely zero is taught in detail in their school curriculum about it. And they don’t ask why.Paddy posts once again totally indistinguishable from those made by an Indian.
>>534713112I always think this comment is quite hilarious. I always assumed they were rage bait , but release after a while they're sincere questions. As in, you're that arrogant, you legitimately believe that the irish never thought of it or something.
>>534719396Tenant farming was the norm where.a peasant would work the land of a landlord and give most of the crop grown on the land to the landlord as payment for living there. They grew a wide variety of crops but they were to be exported by the british, the reason the irish relied on potatos is because theyre calorie dense and you can grown lots of them using mounding techniques or using potatos boxs where you could get a high yield from a small surface area. Look into the penal laws put in place by the brits, they were fucked
>>534720653>too retarded to follow the thread>>534720711>where you could get a high yield from a small surface area.And the small acreage was only as much of a concern as it was due to rampant subletting by Irish tenants themselves.
>>534720888>no but it was the irish tenantsClearly you dont know anything about the penal laws and how alot of them "irish" were scot protestants who were allocated land
>>534719990We export well over 80% of our beef and dairy while importing 80% of our fruit and veg. In a global famine we could survive on dairy and meat but we'd be penalised, likely in fertiliser imports which we need. If we get cut off from feed then it's famine, and our leaders might just sell our produce abroad anyway. That'll be the big problem for us all I think. The Famine was started by a lack of representation. The Irish parliament was dissolved with the Acts of Union of 1800 after another rebellion, which led to rampant economic abuse. How many of us can say we're really represented by our governments? What if our representatives answer to their own Lord Trevelyan trying to manipulate economic crisis to achieve their social and economic goals?In my opinion we're on track for a global famine. That there could be some who see it as beneficial is more worrying.
((landlords)) starved the irish. the average briton at the time of the irish famine was a peasant, slaving away in a factory or mill until they died. if you lived in manchester, liverpool or any other industrial city then were more likely than not to never see your 30th birthday. all britons are seen as complicit in the crimes against the irish because the kikes in charge teach us from birth to be proud, defensive and dismissive about it. they give us something to feel superior to, so we don't realise that our own ancestors also had boots on their faces and barely had a better fate. obviously this attitude irritates the irish and causes further resentment.i'd be happy to apologise, but none of my ancestors were actually involved in the oppression because i'm neither a jew nor a royal, and everyone before me lived and died a miserable fucking life in the north west of england eating slop in workhouses. i want greedy fuckers dead as much as any irishman and anyone who has ever read a book or two about their own history probably feels the same.
>>534721978This is true. There was a class in England that would've preyed on anyone, we just happened to lack political representation. Anyone who goes "muh English" these days is just a retard politically masturbating, or worse a shill.
>>534719403>We believe in free trade so we took the potatoes, fish, food everything and sold it.>We'll just uhhh... take this food here from you and sell it lolHoly shit do Brits really? If you were in charge of Ireland that makes you unequivocally responsible with 0 deniability. Ireland suffered a famine and mass exodus (which is what Britain wanted), not the rest of the UK. >the male hero of Pride and PrejudiceThanks for giving me PTSD, I just had flashbacks from when they made us read that slop.
>>534719784But the rest of the UK did not starve, only Ireland which had a tiny population in comparison, yet was a food producer. These all just read like copes to rationalize what was really a type of genocide. Like how on earth can you look at what is clearly food confiscation and forced starvation and try to somehow justify it.
>>534723984We had a relatively small population but because of legal reasons all the land was split between people. The Penal Laws made it so that inheritance had to go evenly between everyone, so instead of younger brothers working for the elder or going to work for others everyone was forced to be equal. This meant that wealth couldn't be increased over generations without reducing the population. The point was to keep everyone at subsistence level, they just didn't foresee the Blight.
>>534712469can you learn to type you dumb fucking retard gorilla nigger
>>534724847But the UK is responsible for your laws because they rule you. They forced you into subsistence farming then starved you on top of it? I thought Ireland wasn't cucked like this.
>>534725259>They forced you into subsistence farming then starved you on top of it?Yes, that where the animosity comes from. Did you think it came out of thin air?
>>534712469To force them into industrial jobs in English factories. Read Karl Marx you retard.
>>534717321Imagine being born as a Korean dicklet. You are absolutely the Ireland of Asia, constantly obliterated by China or Japan for your entire history, and desperately insecure about it.
what happened to them was bad, wtf can i do about it tho mang
>>534713112>U got a fishin' loicense for feeding urself m8 or are we going to have to ye 'ead in, yea?
>>534721978The entire second half of your first paragraph is demented modernist horseshit, btw.Serfs. In the 1800s. In the British Isles.You historically illiterate clown, I bet you couldn't even describe what a tenant farmer was, without falling into "serfdom" tropes/the reality of Russian serfdom.
>>534727136Do the same thing to the muhammeds and the pajeets but worse you bucktoothed retard.
>>534712469before the brits raped enough of the irish they looked like white niggers.
>>534713155kek
>>534717215>w/e nigger
>>534713375yeah ur right we parked the HMS celtocaust in every single stream and duck pond in ireland and also took every bit of food they hadtruth is the irish are retarded and always have been
>>534712469Visited England a few times many years ago. Visited Warwick Castle during the summer. Going through the entire castle notice less and less people. Eventually my dad and I are the only ones in a tower and we panic and thought the castle closed. We rush downstairs and still see no one. Get outside to the courtyard and everyone and I mean everyone is staying in the shade or leaning against the walls for shade. Nearly everyone is eating ice cream. I guess we visited England during a "heatwave" though since my dad and I are from the Democratic People's Republic of California it barely affected us. Had a great time. The English we encountered were generally nice and funny.
>>534719719this, micks are fucking dense.
>>534717215those men would call you a faggot for posting such a thing.
I can't believe how bad pol has gotten. It is your duty to educate new fags. Post links you raging homosexuals.https://codoh.com/library/document/chris-fogarty-irish-holocaust/
>>534712469they're jews
>>534712469>on multiple occasions try and collude with the Vatican to undermine the Protestant King of England>be surprised when they keep you on a TIGHT leashin reality it's because in 1840 they hadn't built rail or telegraph networks in Ireland yet because nobody lived there, so by the time Parliament became aware of just how bad the famine was it had been weeks and tens of thousands were already dead. and it took further weeks to actually get food aide out there for the same reason; it had to be carted out by wagon which is slow as dogshit.
>>534717321all of about five people lived in Ireland when the English conquered it.
>>534718057your ancestors sold it for a sixpence they promptly spent on whisky
>>534723872how is that any different from Idaho selling potatoes to the rest of the US?
>>534726582>Irish need not apply
>>534712469>How come the British didn't use time travel to travel to the 20th century and bring back knowledge of the Haber process to 1845 and use it to circumvent the effect of potato blight in Ireland for it's subjects?>Are the British just cruel? How could they let the common occurrence of famine in the 19th century (and all prior centuries honestly) go on like that? >How come they didn't send famine relief (even though they did)?
>>534712469It didnt happen and or they deserved it im not reading all that
>>534719719This is the power of drunken fits of wife beating
>>534724847damn. the jews in England were trying out communism on the Irish
>>534712469There's some genetic and sociological issue of the Celtic peoples getting routed by the Germanic peoples. The English example is just one, and one of the latest examples.
>>534720653The irish were not intelligent enough to think of it until it was suggested. Even then, they still starved.
>>534712469The Irish starved themselves. To this day they're still whining about it, get over it.
>>534729694The celts were not and are not a people, it was a culture and it died many hundreds of years ago.
>>534712469Same reason the Americans were passed down the baton of civilization from the British and managed to fuck it all up and ass it to the Chinese within just 70 years. Barbarian retards will always be barbaric retards.
>>534729860It hasn't died, and like Slavs, yes you can make a "unified White people" argument.It's just they are in places like Wales, Galicia Scotland, etc.
>>534729938The celtic culture is long gone, it repleced the earlier bell beaker culture which is also long gone.The Welsh and the Scots are nothing similar and the idea of them being celts is just romanticised nonsense.
>>534730042In the future academics will publish similar tales about Britsh and paki cultureLord Rishi was ethnically anglo saxon
>>534730042I really don't know what you are going for, why you have a hardon for (((culture))) of the Celts.Just because Celts share Germanic genes and are largely angloicized, doesn't mean you start obfuscating Celts.
>>534730113>In the future academics will publish similar talesFunny you should say that . . . . .kids in Britain today listen to rap music and many speak and act like they are niggers from america.It could be argued in the future that we were invaded by people from West Philadelphia, again it's just culture not the people.
>>534716279What I find extra fucked up is the fact that there were substantial amounts of livestock and dairy products being produced in Ireland during the famine, as well as grain. The vast majority of which was exported to Britain under armed guard. Imagine being one of those workers and being responsible for the raising and butchering of livestock while there's a famine going on.
>>534713112You limey faggots cut down all the trees first. No trees, no ships.
>>534730208The celtic thing annoys me, big time.Celts in the British isles weren't a thing, it was just adopted culture and practices, same with Anglo Saxon stuff.Anglo Saxons didn't wipe out the ancient Britons but the culture was adopted. Pockets remain were it wasn't but the people are no different.It annoys me more with the Cornish, who in recent years revived a dead language (they were lucky and still had shit written in Brythonic and now claim to be celts, even though they are no different to any other county in the south west of england. They lost their fishing industry so they now rely on a celtic LARP for tourism.
Why didn’t they practice crop rotation? Even the ancients did it
>>534730831I have no problem with stating the best comprehensive history, and yes, Irish (((grievance))) culture is real. But then, as you can see, denying the comprehensive hsitory annoys me.
"I am haunted by the human chimpanzees I saw along that hundred miles of horrible country. … [T]o see white chimpanzees is dreadful; if they were black one would not see it so much, but their skins, except where tanned by exposure, are as white as ours." - The Reverend Charles Kingsleyhttps://muse.jhu.edu/article/595894
>>534731089Ugly people are described as "like the poor Paddies who eat potatoes"; an extended passage discusses St. Brandan among the Irish who liked "to brew potheen, and dance the pater o'pee,[e] and knock each other over the head with shillelaghs, and shoot each other from behind turf-dykes, and steal each other's cattle, and burn each-other's homes". One character (Dennis) lies and says whatever he thinks others want to hear because "he is a poor Paddy, and knows no better". The statement that Irishmen always lie is used to explain why "poor ould Ireland does not prosper like England and Scotlandhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water-Babies
By God they should be made to work!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM9ZIh6ix5E
The foul Irish
>>534712469The Anglo thirsts for Aryan blood.
The Choctaw gave you guys some money for food. Did you all spend it on pints again?
>>534731077Oh I forgot this thread is about the Irish, I have a deep passion for ancient history particularly in the South West of England, where I am from.I will say again though, that what the Irish think of as Celtic probably isn't (they never had the influence of the Anglo Saxons, so there is that) But little is known about celtic culture . . .it's all be lost over time, take the Druids for example? The celtic priests - despite groups of people LARPing as druids (at Stonehenge, etc.) NOBODY knows anything about them or what they really worshipped. The Irish in any event are more closely related to the Scots as it appears that is where most of the Irish originate, the Scots in turn were isolated English! I have to be careful as I am using modern day boundaries and it's all a bit messy.Plus- I have been drinking.
>>534730327>again it's just culture not the peopleI've noticed a big push for culture over the people the culturecomes from. Wikipedia is all about culture now ie. The Roman Culture, Visigoth culture
>>534731836Don't think for one moment that I am following some modern trend, I am not an academic and I am a lot older than you probably think.As for wikipedia, I wouldn't trust it as far as I can throw it. There are so many inaccuracies in just about everything.Do you recall the problem with the Scottish Language entries a few years ago?People tried to correct it but they were 'unedited' . . . turns out the guy writing the articles was an American teenager who couldn't even speak the language.
>>534730208Celts are based>>534730831Nigger what. The entire base population of the Isles were Celts. Everything else was a case of we wuzzing.
>>534732866NO
they used all the food to feed their armies around the world; while at the same time killing the people the jews hate, because they irish are the tribe of judah. luckily many escaped to america.
>>534712469https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uNMGzSL42U
