Abortion is justified morally on the assumption that babies do not experience pain or any sensation in the early stages of their development. Therefore, if you murder someone quickly so they do not experience fear or pain, this is arguably no different than abortion.You may say that by killing an adult, you are robbing them of their future, but the same is true of an unborn baby. You may say that you are emotionally hurting the victim's loved ones, but that implies that people's lives are only valuable if they have friends or family, which of course makes mockery of the concept of inalienable human rights.
>>534720976Real question, would Lovecraft kill his Dunwich son or would he let it grow?
>>534720976It's not complicated they just want to kill babies ritualistically and everything else is just bad faith arguments to let them do that.They will make any sequence of noises they think will make you let them kill a baby.Stop trying to argue with them.>>534721037No octopus ever called me Goy.
>>534721138Based reply
>>534720976Abortion is interesting because either murdering a pregnant woman is a single homicide or a double homicide. That is, a baby is a person or not a person, always, and this cannot be otherwise, unless we are willing to say a woman can change the objective moral value of a thing simply by changing her mind. This is what bothers me about abortion. They want it both ways. Women want to decide reality by their whims.
>>534721138Yeah that's true. I'm not looking to argue per se, but rather reinforce my own opinions through debate. I genuinely value this place as somewhere you can come and just talk about anything. What is it with the sacrifice though? I know that ancient civilisations would sacrifice children and women to ensure good harvests, rains etc. but what is the rationale today?
>>534721335Yeah I agree, similarly women will be devastated by a miscarriage whilst trying to have a child in their forties, despite the fact they had multiple abortions during their twenties. It's the hypocrisy I can't stand
>>534721335Your enemies use language like a predator imitating a target it's trying to kill.They're only arguing so you don't kill them while they wait until they feel safe killing you.
>>534720976Abortion is wrong because life belongs to God and taking it without permission is an offence punishable by death.Same as murder.Pain or no pain is just the pineapple on the pizza at this point.
>>534722435But if people don't believe in God, how will this convince them?
>>534721380>rather reinforce my own opinions through debateFair enough far be it from me to stand in the way of morale.>What is it with the sacrifice though? I know that ancient civilisations would sacrifice children and women to ensure good harvests, rains etc. but what is the rationale todayDo you think there's a difference between a woman having a man in a special robe cut up her baby for a good harvest and a woman having man in a doctor's costume cut up her baby for a positive economic forecast?Past that, blood sacrifice and the murder of children are not some arbitrary flotsam of past superstition, they're emergent properties of the degenerated mind, from the dawn of man to ten thousand years from now anywhere degeneracy is allowed to flourish sufficiently will see ritualistic blood sacrifice, particularly of children. You can't get away from the patterns of human belief, which scales inevitably to one of two forms.
>>534723595Well convincing them is off the table regardless.
>>534724321That's very a interesting point you make. In the modern era, the economy or capitalism is essentially our religion, and it is central to every decision we make, and often we prioritise it over our own wellbeing. Be that with abortion, immigration, consumerism etc.
>>534724409I don't know about that, I'm an atheist (not in a redditfag way, just in a British way) I've long thought that being pro-life makes more sense from an atheist perspective, because it asserts that there is no eternal soul, this is the one chance to exist which we have, so how dare a mother deny her child that
>>534725174Greed is always only surface level. Let go of this idea that greed is the primary motivation, clinging to it will only bring you more confusion.The sub surface motivation is always sadism.
>>534720976You aren’t the first person to think of this. It is irrelevant.The basis for abortion is not rational nor emotional, it is blood magic.
>>534725295That's kind of meaningless pseudo philosophy, "not murdering someone implies that you only have one life" does not follow. The fact is that the vast majority of atheists are unsalvageable degenerates, the statistical slant is so extreme no other policy besides rejection becomes reasonable. There's not going to be a seat at the table for the "good atheists", any more than the "good jews" or "good blacks".In the grand scheme of things its statistically irrelevant to the rest of us if you, yourself, are virtuous and good, besides the vaguest sense of sympathy.
>>534720976Depends.What's the race?
>>534726442I feel like that's a little extreme, and propose that those who can prove themselves worth the effort of pity despite those permanently crippling faults should be excluded from such overwhelming and otherwise rightful prejudice.
>>534726442>Not murdering someone implies you only have one life That's not what I intended to say, rather my argument was that Christians believe in heaven, so why does it matter if the baby is aborted? Whereas atheists don't believe in the afterlife which makes abortion cruel because you're denying the child their only chance to experience life
>>534725431Sadism on the part of the Mother?
>>534725621Can you expand on that?
>>534726622You're going to let the zombies into the camp and stop men from shooting them even as they're eating your fucking family.People like you do absolutely nothing but get your own kind massacred. History is full of you.
>>534726926>Why is it wrong to steal from a child if they'll get more stuff laterBecause the crime is of itself wrong regardless of repair made later.Consider it is also wrong to attempt to kill someone even though it could happen to someone a theoretically infinite number of times without their knowledge or lowering their lifespan in any way.>Whereas atheists believe life is for some reason extremely sacred and we need to make sure babies grow up and experience things for some reasonExcept that isn't true. Atheists don't come to that conclusion largely, they follow their logic to the inevitable conclusion of maximizing degeneracy and the harm done to innocents. Your people have killed more babies in a lifetime than all the casualties of all the wars in human history combined. You have set the stage for a century of mass death that will not be equalled for a thousand years. But hey at least your grandpa was wrong and we managed to force women into the workplace for a couple generations so it was all worth it.
>>534726976Whatever bad you think in society is motivated by greed is almost always going to be motivated by pure bloodlust and you're going to be consistently confused as to why your enemies are acting so "strangely" until you accept that.Certainly, sometimes people do bad things for money, but you don't eat a baby for money. That's what the men at the helm of society are doing, burning truck fulls of their own money, annihilating their companies, happily taking losses, just so they can eat a baby and get fucked in the ass by another millionaire. You either worship truth or you worship ugliness, that's been true since we crawled out of the slime and it will be true when the sun explodes.
>>534727317I never said they should take food off my table or govern our people.
>>534727045The excuses for it are just excuses. You can’t argue with evil.
>>534720976Well that's one rationalization shot down, but the reality is that women insist on abortions so they can avoid becoming moms at any moment not of their choosing, whether that's by accident or through their own poor decisions. Anything they tell you above and beyond that is just to make you okay with the abortions that they are going to have no matter what as long as they're allowed to - or at the very least keep you busy while they come up with another reason that isn't the real reason. The baby's welfare was already considered and dismissed.
>>534720976Abortion is taking away a future Canon fodder soldier, therefore any women who does it must pay a heavy tax or fight in its place
>>534722435ftfy
>>534727589I wasn't saying that atheists are pro-life, but rather that it would make more sense for them to be.
>>534720976Lenny: TrumptardsGeorge: National Socialists
>>534720976here is the thingif we as a society need abortion there is a problempussy is good but you can literally just get married and have all the pussy you wantreligion is autistic about pussy for a reason
>>534720976any woman who aborted a child needs to be put into an industrial to blender.
>>534727734Damn...
>>534728542more men support abortion than women depending on the study and they're all closeit wouldn't happen unless men supported it because they want an easy cumrag and bounce
>>534720976>Abortion implies that killing is only immoral of the victim experiences painactually, you're retarded, very much so.abortion implies that killing is immoral because you are killing someone that did nothing wrong but existit has nothing to do with painyou are retarded, probably brown, but definitely retarded, to a very worrying degree
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>>534727965I don't think you can blame women, they are very susceptible to antinatalist propaganda
>>534729062i agree with this premise but most men convicted of rape dont have any political affiliation the same goes for most women and men who get abortionsthe majority are just npcs who had a bad night outthe grandstanding has zero effect on these kind of people. if the cultural norm for these people was get job get house get bitches they'd follow it but it isn't that. it's a feckless club and app scene where no one wins and shit happens.
>>534728042Women already pay a tax for not having children, they're called tampons
>>534728472I reckon she smells like salty fish... Also how does marriage prevent abortion?
>>534720976It's not that deep, faggot. If the fetus is wanted and dies, it's a much bigger impact than if the parents don't want to keep it and choose to abort. Fuck you and your emotional gymnastics, niggerloving dredge.
>>534729517>how does marriage prevent abortionin the before times you could just find a girl that was marriage material and just marry herthese strange archaic creatures didnt even know what a porn was and in many cases didnt even saw sex as sacredcan you imagine if you never saw a porno and your teenage love interest and you just figured it out on your own? yeah that was the case for most of your ancestors
>>534728413they are prochoice because they want God to abort them and send them to hell, because "they aren't spiritually sentient yet", as their reasoning goes...>>534727317zombies aren't realif a person is infected with a virus, or something like rabies, we still wouldn't put them down, unless they're an aggressive threat towards people, why? because there's no justification for murdering someone for something that's out of their control.you absolute niggers.
>>534729020I may be retarded, but at least I don't watch nip cartoons you fucking weeb
>>534730050>No pornThank God I live now
>>534730272>I may be retardedOK RETARD
>>534730456No you don't understand, I made fun of myself and in doing so, took the power away from you. You can't make fun of me now because I did it first
>>534730556retard
>>534720976Every single decision you have ever made has robbed trillions of potential people of their future. Babies have the potential to become people, but they are not people yet.
>>534730797Suck my chode zipperhead
>>534731019You are vastly overestimating my sperm count
>>534726515Albanian
>>534731019You can just admit you want children to be sacrificed.
People who are against abortion don't know the difference between an embryo and a fetus.
>>534731855So you're saying everyone involved in late term abortions is a murderer?
>>534720976Tell me bout that place, George!
I started off being slightly pro choice. But after having a family I completely changed my opinion around. Those little clumps of cells are people. That weird looking 8 and 20 week ultrasounds became little laughing giggling babies. After seeing the process play out.. the pro choice side does some weird lying about what's actually happening
>>534732077There'll be lots of cat girls, and they'll let you give them head pats and listen to your plans to save the white race
>Abortion is justified morally on the assumption that babies do not experience pain or any sensation in the early stages of their development.This is not a justification - that is a trivial claim that speak to nothing of the motivation for abortion. Abortion could be sought even if it was perfectly known to cause extreme pain and suffering, but of course this would demand greater proof and assurance of a net improvement being probable from undergoing the procedure.>Therefore, if you murder someone quickly so they do not experience fear or pain, this is arguably no different than abortion.These are qualitatively and categorically different contexts that cannot be readily equated.>You may say that by killing an adult, you are robbing them of their future, but the same is true of an unborn baby.True - however, it is worth noting that unborns are greater potential compared to adults for the simple fact that there are fewer priors for Bayesian analysis.>You may say that you are emotionally hurting the victim's loved ones, but that implies that people's lives are only valuable if they have friends or family, which of course makes mockery of the concept of inalienable human rights.Value being derived solely from having friends/family is not implied - the existence of that dimension of value is implied.
>>534732212Thanks for sharing
>>534720976Yes Goys, it's only a clump of cells and it doesn't feel anything.
>>534731776I never said anything of the kind. I simply stated the objective fact that babies are not persons, and as such abortion is not murder. But there are other arguments against abortion. The fact that I reject the argument of it being murder does not mean I support it.
>>534733296>I never said anything of the kind. I simply stated the objective fact that the sky is not blueHarm toward the most innocent of God's creatures is an abomination, and your condoning it will hang on your neck like a millstone on the day of judgment. Repent.
>>534733403There is no god, and a fetus is a piece of meat. But I don't condone it, I am actually against abortion. But I am against it for reasons not related to a fictional sky-wizard.
>>534720976That book was propaganda. The propaganda is that men should white knight for women no matter how they behave, dress etc. And it worked.
>>534720976>Abortion is justified morally on the assumption that babies do not experience pain or any sensation in the early stages of their developmentnope, abortion is inflicted upon our countries by the jews
>>534720976>Abortion is justified morally on the assumption that babies do not experience painNo, it's justified on the assumption that they aren't sentient. Before you're sentient, you aren't a person, you're just a bunch of bones and organs.>>534721138>>534731776The outlawing of abortion is pushed so there will be more kids in foster care to use for ritual abuse / ritual sacrifice. Abortion doesn't work as child sacrifice unless it's done after the fetus has gained sentience. The sacrifice needs to involve suffering and the killing of a sentient being in order for it to work.
>>534734348Abortion diso not reduce the number of orphans, abandoned children, black children, or any other made up "based" reason for abortion If it didn't count as blood sacrifice then literally every aspect of it wouldn't be run by jews
>>534720976They specifically state in most murder trials that the victim was robbed of life, that people were robbed of their family member/loved one. We only allow abortion to appease women. It's only justified to help women avoid responsibilities.
