Daily reminder that solar is a scam. Anything solar is a scam.From the previous thread:>[A unhinged breakdown of solar cultists to cringe to respond]>Why are you quiet chuds?Because it is retarded and insane 1h babbling?> is against renewable energy is retarded.>Behead thous who insult renewable energy!Yea LOL look kid no amount of propaganda will make your cults dogma real.Here are the facts>Solar can not work this is a proven fact>It is proven by 1000s of 10000s of scams who beg for government money promising perpetual motion from the sun and fail every time.>Muh renewable is so good and independent and rainbows and unicorns?Any other fantasy you like to sell us?Perpetual motion machines?Warp Drive?Infinity engines?Teleporters?Philosopher stones?Replicators?>>534752336You can literally NEVER get any meaningful energy from sunlight, you need to deny evolution to believe there is some magic extra energy in sunlight that plants did never manage to utilize.The turk literally talks about everything not about the facts that solar panels are a joke and a toy at best not some energy of the future.
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>>534807071thanks I will now buy even more solar panel and converters and batteries
>Any other fantasy you like to sell us?>Perpetual motion machines?stfu kike it took me 5 minutes
>>534807071Did a solar panel fuck ur gf too?
>>534807071Oh yea I forgot to mention>Muh renewables>[literally only talks about solar shit and possibly wind crap]Behold I like to introduce you to Schrödinger's hydropower!The energy source who is in a super position and exists and does not exist at the same time!>Eco wants to talk about le renewables>Hydro is renewables>Never talks about hydro!Hydro is literally no joke never talked about despite it working and being proven. The only moment hydro power shows up in like ever is when the eco wants to bitch how hydro makes the fishes unhappy or something.Here is my response.FUCK THE FISHES!It is always these retarded scams with these retarded solar panels who literally need to violate physics and be some perpetual motion machines at this point who are peddled to government to give the greedy eco mega corporation free money, or to retarded idiots on go fund me or to investors. Every time this shit fails. Because solar panels can not work.It be literally better if you clowns started growing grass and burning it for energy(biomass) since this is the best way to get all the energy from the sun.If you want le renewable then you want big Hydro projects. Only you literally can never talk about this subject you eco fucks!
>>534807147Did you know that plans work with solar energy?
>>534807071Solar is great. I invested in a commercial solar installation a decade ago and I'm now comfortably retired, and don't pay electricity costs in my houses. All seething against solar comes from Americans salty that photovoltaic tech evolved thanks to Chinese scientists and companies and they can't compete.
>>534807113Cool have fun wasting your money.Either way I can not wait for the 8 billionth copium fueled eco thread>REEEEE why is there no solar future!>This is all your fault chud!>You need to give more money to the solar mega corporations! >>534807120You are a defective bot!>>534807143LOL literally nothing of value was spoken.You literally have no arguments you fagots!
>>534807223costs are not everythingI have energy on site, no transportation needgrid energy is much cheaper still
um sorry but that's not how it works? lol ur getting left behind. go drink dinosaur oil or whatever scavenger lmao we're winning the war against energy crisis with renewables and you're crying? rofl
>>534807071solar is okay for offgrid shit maybe but it cant work on its own and much more infrastructure is required like batteries but you also need lots of room for these panels. so unless you have a huge empty desert this shit sucks.then sun is also not consistent so sometimes you produce not enough. also a problem.
>>534807147It'd be faster and easier to just admit you don't understand how electricity works.
>>534807296again plants use solaryou eat the solaryou need room for plantsyou also need room for solarsolar is the regular way to get electricity, the grid is an abomination
>>534807178>LOLberterian quotes me talking how hydro power is literally Schrödinger's Hydropower.LOLberterian can not talk about Hydropower only>MUH HECKING SOLAR!Amazing the jokes write themselves!PS:>Did you know that plans work with solar energy?YES. Did you also know that it is impossible to get more energy from the sun then you would get from burning that plant as biomass? Making solar panels literally a useless scam?Also did you know that the amount of energy you get from the sun can not sustain a modern civilization? Feel free to go to the middle ages.
>>534807071I don't get it. There are solar farms all over the place harnessing plenty of energy
>>534807348no plants dont need solar panels.and no we dont eat solar panels.>you need room for plants>you also need room for solaryou cant have both.
this just in, "green energy" was a neoliberal banker push to send china a bunch of defunct 1950's nasa tech to prop up the entire global economy with ineffective trash while telling people they were saving the world
>>534807254It is like talking to a retard here.>costs are not everythingDO you not understand that for solar to work it literally must be a perpetual motion machine? Like the energy you get from the sun is pathetic and there is literally nothing you can do to change this.
>>534807405you can, solar panels go on rocky places, while plants go on flat places, solar energy is perfect>>534807395we love hydro power, fuck fishes
>>534807395Can you explain how a battery charged by the sun is different than a battery charged by water?
>>534807344>I literally can not talk about hydro powerWhy is that?
>>534807453Efficiency really, solar panels are only like 20% efficient
>>534807442power from solar is powering the entire biosphere you retard we can utilize it even more if we put panel above the clouds on tall mountains, where there are no plants anyways
>>534807147hydro doesn't workevery time we try to build civilization based off of dams it fails.this is because when we get to the part when the aliens show up they target the dams first and not only do we lose power but we get massive flooding. Instant loss.Solar is too decentralized and doesn't make sense to bombard so enough of humanity is in the game to party when that happens.
>>534807486even at 2% efficiency you are getting free energy
>>534807071yes it is, just stick to paying 10x lng from usa, peasant
>>534807504hydro is literally gravity which you don't need the sun for, checkmate
>>534807481I wasn't talking to you. I'm talking to the schizo that thinks electricity works different based on how it's produced.
>>534807071wow a gay schizo NIGGERFAGGOT brown jew thread i love it go fuck your mom like you always do faggot
>>534807544hydro is still solar energy you retardthe sun is vaporizing water that rains as rain to make river
>>534807570So actually the sun and the earth already created a free energy system for us, based on water, based based based
>>534807344nobody knows how electricity and magnetism worksthe best we have is just a theory (a gauss)
>>534807596yes, and again solar is the default , the regular way to get electricity
>>534807113My boss went all in on the sollar meme over $50k to fully power his house and shop. And he still ended up having to run a bunch of chargers on the batteries at night and even the best solar inverters put out shitty flickering light sine waves like he is running some old hit or miss engine generator.
Solar is a scam because there are rules to made your energetic indipendece more frustrating as possible
>>534807628burn to coal , pay the tollyes solar is for more advanced species you nigger boss is still learning how to electricity
>>534807627The sun and the earth are infinitely more efficient at moving water to higher altitudes for it then to be pulled down by gravity than humans are at mining materials for solar panels to intercept the sun firstmost tech, rare earth lithium whatever mining is pointless for mass consumption of throw away junk, but if they make a couple inefficient solar panels from the 50's indians call them God
Good grief, this thread is just filled with schizo level seething and swinging at strawmen. Where is the actual hard hitting commentary and facts? Solar's been around long enough for there to be good data (assuming it's not literally 100% driven by an agenda). Show us the 1's and 0's that show objectively that solar is bad/a trick etc.
>>534807071my solar is basedjust look at those numerals
>>534807628you are not going to get flickering lights with solar unless you are overdrawing the batteries, sounds like your boss is a retard or he got jeets to install the stuff
>>534807596This used to power homesIt would be enough for regular use, and solar can also suit a consumer.Commercial applications might fail when you count the entire chain of costs.
>>534807294You're not winning shit except for being the bitch of every country who is building coal plants as fast as they can - China.Have fun staying forever uncompetitive.
>>534807693you can make salt ion batteries or use 50 other materialslithium is not the only chemical
>>534807071Be the UKImport solar panel from China cos muh climate change.China manufactures using yet more coal fired power stations.China exports all all across the world via fuel-intensive shipping.Eventually said panel make it to the UK where its damp and cloudy for much of the year where Tesla Man genuinely thinks he’s doing his bit for the planet.You couldn’t make it up.
>>534807940you eventually have enough solar that you synthesize fuel
>>534807453>Can you explainNo problemThe output of the Hoover Dam is far greater per m2 then your joke panels.Any questions?>Explain to me how a 120 year old cranking a wheel is different from a Olympic athlete cranking the same wheel? Do I need to make it more simple for you?>>534807486>Efficiency really, solar panels are only like 20% efficient>Source someone made that one upDaily reminder there is no extra magical energy in sunlight. >>534807718Oh these numbers are so cute and made up or cherry picked. Why don't you build your self sustaining solar paradise city or country and then we see.
>>534808006you can build your own self sustaining householdso you can make it town wide , the country widevan life bro
>>534807548>I wasn't talking to you. I'm talking to the schizo that thinks electricity works different based on how it's produced.YIKES.Is this the new schizophrenia?See >>534808006>Herp derp production of energy Nonsense statement nothing is produced however lets continue.>Fuel extraction works different based on how it's extractedYou realize there is a reason why different fuel sources have different power levels? Right? Or do you think that magically sunlight has the same power as moving rivers? This is the delusional fantasy land you need to live in now! You eco!
>>534808000No thanks. Nuclear all the way.Despite the retards in government we don’t piss-arse around in the UK when it comes to energy. The green crap is primarily a front.
>>534808006>cute and made up or cherry pickedI haven't paid an electric bill since 2022my panels will have paid back for themselves in 3 years' time after that, I will enjoy at least 10 more years of completely free electricity before it's time to replace the panels maybe it's too cloudy in your polder but my grid is doing fine thx
>>534807147based opinion rooted in truthnuclear is best
>>534808142nuclear is still dependent on mineralsas long as you have uranium - it's great
>>534808078>you can build your own self sustaining householdFACT you can not!>>534808153>bb-b- the government buys back andDude the government can give you buy backs or let you drain electricity for free for all kinds of shit like flying the pride flag every day. >>534808078>van life broA new level of self humiliation was achieved.>van life broWhy can you van not run 100% of solar? Like DO IT!
What is the point of this low quality schitzo bait?
>>534808153BTW if it is cloudy you can link the panels is series and up the voltage and then use a voltage controller to step down the voltage to mach what the charger needsyou can get power for starlight this way
>>534808223>Dude the government can give you buy backs or let you drainyes so?the government offered this deal so I took it if they cancel it after my contract is done, I'll rething my electricsfor a dutch guy you seem to have an objection to saving moneyare you some kind of kanake?
>>534808255we have shills to counter point solarbecause even a van lifer can sustain himself with 2 panels
>>534807616Oh go back to Morocco will you?Your nigger tier comprehension is too un-european for you to live here.
>>534808298Solar is based because it enables off-grid living without having to live like the Amish.
>>534808350yes that's the problem prepare your anus for solar tax
>>534808195>nuclear is still dependent on mineralsAnd here we see the mental illness of the eco>Herp derp reality is hard and difficult however my propaganda fantasy land is easySee this is literally you.>Herp derp this is bad and depends on X and Z>Therefore the perpetual motion machine will solve all our problems!>GO GO PERPETUAL MOTION!You live in a fantasy because reality is to hard for you. >Herp derp why do you want to be dependent of <insert bad thing here> if you can have unlimited energy form the perpetual motion machine?Literally wishful thinking and delusion!
>>534808396shitheads like you will make me release some alien tech for free energy
>>534807071No shit.
>>534807113lifepo4 batteries are a game changer. lasts for 20 years. even without a solar setup theyre just a good idea to have in storage
>>534808282>yes so?Do I need to explain this like to a child?>Dude the government lets me get electricity for free if I have my pride flag on my home!>Therefore if everyone puts a pride flag out in front of their homes we will have free energyThis is you right now!>I change it if the government stops paying me!Do you even understand the consequences of doing something disastrous for a country you plumber man?
>>534807628I just charge my batteries off the gird during ultra low time of use rates. The solar panels are just for some extra energy.
>>534808335>You must go back to Africa if you are not a homosexual, homosexuality is the white mans sexuality.
>>534808490yes, batteries, you can have any battery, cadmium, salt, cobalt, pump and gravity, or even just hydrogen gas
>>534808435Do it.
>>534808500this too, when you have the setup, you can arbitrage grid power cost, and even have gasoline generators
I bought a setup intended for a van for not much money with 400ah battery and honestly could live off it easily. Solar is amazing, I don’t understand what the point of op is
>>534808496you're mentioning pride flags quite often my dudesomething on your mind?anywaythe government is not paying meI generate electricity I cover all my electric needs my deal with the government is this:any excess I produce is stored on my account with the power company in kWhI get those kWh back in the winter when it's darkfor this storage, the power company takes 20% that is allwhat is disastrous though is your anger and stupidity
>>534807071you were give well over a decade to cut through the lies of the official story for why solar was important, and now that your energy supply is shut off, you still dont see why even a small ammount of solar in a poor insolated location like toothpaste-land is important?guy... get fuckin solar holy shit. stop coping and get a panel for your apartment window or parents' rooftop so you can charge a flashlight or radio.Cause theyre gonna keep doing economic warfare against china making every export from there more and more expensive (including solar cause they dont give a fuck about you, in fact energy rationing is better for your corrupt govt because it can be used asleverage for compliance)
>Has the growth rate of 30% yearly, so everyone is and has been buying the shit out of it>Efficiencies constantly going up>Perovskite tech already in production, which busts through the current solar limitations and you can even spray this shit on any surface>Cheap as fuck thermal storage solves the problem with intermittent energy even on a grid scale.>Panels are made from silica sandSolar is the best source of energy right after nuclear and the only thing that can give average people a true independent source of energy.With perovskites becoming a thing, even in the worst lit places on earth you'll be able to get power, as that stuff works even with ambient light.
>>534807628What surprises me is that we did have the solar scam for over 20 years and regardless how hard people fail on it and fail it still is around based on TV propaganda and eco propaganda in schools.> shitty flickering light I mean what aprt of >The middle ages where 100% solar and 100% renewable energyDid people fail to understand? If you want to go solar energy you will go back to the middle ages. None of that electric heating of everything. At best you get occasional heating and some lights at night. However all this tech crap is still a scam since it be better if you did go fully Amish at this point and reduce the industrial garbage!
>>534808774>Perovskite >can even spray this shit on any surfacethispic related
Whats the cons of solar? That it takes space? Its like black magic that you could use energy from the sun
>>534808865>Its like black magic light magic, more like
>>534807254this. it's fuckin not about money. good fuckin god it's not about money.yo just so OP (WHO IS A CHUD btw) knows, nuclear is way fuckin better and youre not getting a lick of it. Europe is being de-nuclearized so the US and Axis can fight over uranium in africa for data centers. youre not getting shit from nuclear, and youre having your energy resources shut off and monopolized by zog.OP DID YOU NOT WAATCH YOUR ALLIES BLOW UP THE FUCKIN NORDSTREAM?unless youre willing (to be gay enough to) pay mafia prices for LNG from the usa, AND ABLE TO PAY FOR IT, you're going to be reduced to shivering in the darkness like a peasant or joining the military.FFFFFFFFFFFFaggot.
>>534808774>the only thing that can give average people a true independent source of energyI think that's the reason there are so many anti-solar shills.
>>534808774>Solar is the best source of energy right after nuclearWhy can you not power your home with it then?Real question.>I canLets see>[government lets me drain the grid for free if I put on my LGBT flag up]Disconnect it form the grid then we talk.>AHA it works! I only use 1h of light every night and do not power any other equipment like washing machines of water heaters! I rest my case.Solar is a scam.
I work with lebs lifting solar panels onto roofs. I have no qualifications, but my cousin who's an electrician pulled some strings. I make $30/hr ($60 on weekends). They also sometimes send me to drive around to wholesalers and buy circuit breakers and conduits and shit for them (I get paid for doing this).The entire industry is dodgy as fuck, but they're making bank because the government is giving out big solar rebates atm. They're all antisemitic, homophobic, generally misogynistic. I am tolerated because I am a male, but they still make fun of me.
>>534809064>They're all antisemitic, homophobic, generally misogynisticBased
>>534807071Solar is not a scam it you live in Sahara
>>534808992You cultists are insane.>the only thing that can give average people a true independent source of energySee: >>534808396>>PERPETUAL MOTION is the only thing that can give average people a true independent source of energy>I think that's the reason there are so many anti-PERPETUAL MOTION shills.This is you living in your fantasy land because reality frightens you! You go for it retard do it if you want however don't be surprised after you wasted money on a scam or worse yet you literally destroyed a country because you made the government destroy infrastructure(nuclear and fossil fuel power plants) and spend millions of government money to give it to solar scamming corporations.
>>534809165>destroy infrastructure(nuclear and fossil fuel power plants)this retard thinks in absolute terms and is literally incapable to underand>including SOME SOLAR into the power mix while nuclear and fossil provide the emergency backboneour time here was wasted for a rabid idiotbye
>>534809159>Solar is not a scam it you live in SaharaIt actually is.Fun fact the solar panel shit breaks if it is overheated or gets to much sunlight. Even the different solar that is not shilled like liquid salt concentrated solar is questionable at best and literally N/A for Europe. >Ah yes we switched from depending on arab oil to depending on arab solar!
>>534809165>noooooooooooo spain should have had people born with two heads for 3 generations instead of a solar shutdown that was repaired in 1 week!
>>534808992>anti-solar shillsthat explains the shills, but there are independent people who actively think this type of shit too and from what i've seen in my own friends group, it's some sort of symptom of conservatism in some, and high-falutin pseudo-intellectual liberalism in others.i.e. Dont want no government making me change my habitsorHue hue, don't you know the energy footprint of solarpanels is higher than a liter of fuel?but again, that's imply you have the choice of buying fuel at all (or electricity generated by it at a power plant).As we're seeing right now, the opening salvos of WW3 have already knocked 20% of of oil offline. I don't know how much LNG, and then also ammonia.You can make ammonia with renewables btw. It's not as cost-effective as feeding ligaments and hooves to cows to make poop, but again, it's not about when no-such-resource alternative exists.
>>534809295>for Europeand yet youre de-nuclearizing, your imports of LNG are being cut-off and consolidated to american corpos, and your fossil-fuel plants are too.imagine if you knew this ahead of time and moved to the equator but up in the mountians where it isn't hot to reduce solar efficiency and damage equipment.Imagine not being......................... a chud.Fuck bro insteada bitching you could be helping me set up a syngas / ammonia production facility down here. BUT NOOOOOOOOO.
>>534808717Thank fuck Brazil is going to become the next solar manufacturing powerhouse, moving everyone away from the China monopoly.They'll have their first solar glass plants running within the next 24 months and they basically have an infinite silica supply to consume and sell, which they'll sell to the US as they ramp up their own production in the near future.Btw all of the sand that can legally be sold abroad is owned by a single company called Homerun Resources, which is also the only company building the solar glass plant, which they are currently getting funding for.If you have money to invest then it's worth looking into. They'll have a solar glass monopoly in Brazil and will likely be a big provider of high purity silica for the US.That company is going to be massive in the next few years.
>>534809253>his retard thinks in absolute termsTranslation:>I dunked myself>I do not know how the real world works.Thank you I accept your unconditional surrender! >and is literally incapable to underandMeanwhile in the real world governments are shutting down nuclear reactors and fossil fuel plants because>Muh solar will do all of that
>>534809539>youreNot me. The eco politicians are doing this and you solar fagots are applauding them for it! >imagine if you knewNot ME retard learn to speak!
>>534809622hi, big fan of Finns, thanks for your reply. can i get some specific details on this? links to news and policy?>>534809632>shutting down nuclear reactors and fossil fuel plants because "Muh solar will do all of that"See, t hat;s where you're losing the plot. Are you believing the official narrative on the pipedream of renewables?Noooooo don't do that, the annoying activists and shit that are pushing "Green Dream" narratives like this are idiots following the dishonest, hired by energy corpos. I think it's "Just Stop Oil," is run by the jew rat daughter of a petrochemical company. Their whole thing is using fear or utopianism SPECIFICALLY TO get to choke off economies like russia by cutting you off from their energy exports, and thus the revenue from it.US Corps making monopolized energy money off of you it the bonus effective, in fact, of these policies too. Just to clarify my previous jocular posts against you.
>>534809719>youre>Not meyou literally jsut did the same thing to me. im not a solar utopianist.
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/van-gogh-tomato-soup-just-stop-oil-aileen-getty-funder-1234644306/for example this bitch's dad owns the painting they destroyed, which btw is a priceless cultural artifact of your race & nation.total fuckin scam. But are you gonna sit around with zero access to power, sullenly proclaiming that you were right? That you knew European de-inudtrialization was a scam?FUCK THAT, empower yourself (literally & figuratively) right now and do so from someone who competes with these assholes. Do it out of spite.and if im not mistaken that's the point this guy was making >>534808774and this guy >>534808821and this guy >>534808992and me
>>534807628I spent $8k on solar and I have not paid an electricity bill in three years. I've even started heating my water with electricity to consume the excess power.
>>534810990What was your annual electric bill?And while you answer, if you do, the ogther thing about this it.. people mihgt look at this and think, well im gonna have to take a hit to my lifestyle and comfort, powering down at night not falling asleep to neflix and waking up with the tv on in the morning.But that choice has already been made for you, as I understand it. I recall during the ukraine war people posting pictures of these things (pic applies).So you know, your lifestyle is being attacked already, any amount of energy independence is therefore a quality of life-preserving mechanism, and in kruwanon's case, he ends up with a glut of power where he actively has more than he can use.Ideally in this situation you find ways that you can turn the excess energy into other systems, like hydropnoics or something, and now youre actually growing food, while prices skyrocket.
Facts don't care about your feelings>400km x 5km
>>534811349wrong pic, people were already using these friggin things during the ukraine war
>>534810207Sure, here's some news about the plant and the company:https://brazilstockguide.com/insights/homerun-1-7b-brazil-solar-glass-bahia/https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/investment-trends/2026/04/13/from-silica-sand-to-solar-glass-how-homerun-resources-is-building-latin-americas-missing-link-in-the-clean-energy-supply-chain/https://homerunresources.com/homerun-resources-inc-selected-by-bndes-and-finep-for-strategic-minerals-transformation-funding/Them being selected by the BNDES for funding shows pretty well that the Brazilian system is behind these guys.Brazil wants local solar manufacturing and they already removed tax incentives from Chinese solar imports.Here's a recent piece of news about Brazil's critical minerals bill and Silica is included in there, giving it even more government support.Brazil is going really hard on this too, basically cutting off all red tape and inviting as much investments as possible regarding all commodities.https://www.socioambiental.org/en/socio-environmental-news/Chamber-approves-bill-on-rare-earth-elements-without-safeguards.https://x.com/drewcrawford_/status/2052729077463687347Germans investing into Brazilian mineral refining sector:https://www.linkedin.com/posts/femto-design_femto-femtomining-mineraiscriticos-activity-7453080359811936256-KOha?utm_medium=ios_app&rcm=ACoAAC8vJi0BBmKeNgxYp9uGQ8XZx0dEzaiBHiQ&utm_source=social_share_send&utm_campaign=copy_linkAnd Brazil signing the Mercusor deal with Europe, so they can shift away from China to buy from Brazil.https://x.com/ApexBrasil/status/2049229486277935242The direction is pretty clear. Brazil is basically the next China regarding commodity extraction, refining and a lot of manufacturing. They are going to get so much investment and so fast it'll catch a lot of people off guard. Brazil will grow radically wealthier and the smart money is positioning itself there right now.
>>534811515Thank you SO much, this exceeded my expectations.
>>534810672>>534808992>>534808774No. We all think off-grid solar is cool, and it's the best way to generate power off-grid, although you should have other sources as well.That doesn't change the facts that on-grid solar is a scam and trash. And less than 1% of solar (by power) is off-grid.First off it's not renewable, it's a 20-30 year lifetime product after which it will go to the landfill.There is no viable way to store the energy at scale, the best available is still just batteries and they'll last ~5 years, but it entails building massive battery stations everywhere. Very expensive. Since there's no way to store it you still need to produce 100% of the power at night when the wind is blowing, by other means.With reliable, large power sources like nuclear, the power grid is built to deliver power one way. With solar and wind you now need to deliver power from "anywhere" to "anywhere" which means you will have to spend 2-4x more on the power grid.It's been tried, and it leads to super high prices.
>>534807071The only thing I don't like about solar is that you are dependent on the manufacturer.You can't manufacture it yourself, and it constantly degrades over time. There is no way to repair or service it. It is a consumable. The only saving grace is that it can last for more than 10 years.
>>534811349>>534811394Average poland power bill is $800/yr now. But a average, but still modest home installation in poland also costs $22k now. Anon could be truthful but then he's using a lot less than average. 27 years to pay off, not good, but on-grid costs will rise due to solar and wind use too.> if you do, the ogther thing about this it.. people mihgt look at this and think, well im gonna have to take a hit to my lifestyle and comfort, powering down at night not falling asleep to neflix and waking up with the tv on in the morning.Screens are relatively low power>But that choice has already been made for you, as I understand it. I recall during the ukraine war people posting pictures of these things (pic applies).Those pots aren't helping much. But yeah people use candles when they don't have power or heating. Even after all this war most of ukraine still have power and remote heat. Thankfully we are pretty far from that situation even if the expensive power does hurt our societies a lot.
>>534807442>energy you get from the sun is pathetic>literally powers the entire fucking earthno way you are this retarded
The sun isn't real..
>>534811349My annual electric bill was about $700.Warranty on the panels is 15 years.
>>534807071>solar invented in australia>australia gave it away to china for FREE>australia can no longer afford to compete in the solar marketmany SUCH CASESwe invented wifi, hearing aids, solar panels, EVERYTHING!we gave the world EVERYTHING! and we get NOTHING
>>534813240>Warranty on the panels is 15 years.warranty on solar panels is meaningless because the companies go bankrupt every year and rename and render all the warranty void you third world shit stain
I see neighbors putting large high end solar systems on their roofs and I think they are crazy.
>>534813803because solar is a scam just the same as electric cars and windmills
>>534813126>picYes we know it's popular, what about how good it is? Oh, you wouldn't want to share graphs of that would you... Cause average price is just going up and peak price is going to the moon.>literally powers the entire fucking earthYou're not making the point like you think you are. Why would you harvest energy from the sun like a bottom-feeder of biology, plants? Obviously the chad move is to take the energy that has been collected by plants, than eaten by dinosaurs, than further refined over millenia into pure energy extract. This is nonsense anyway because you dont have any factual arguments.>>534813240>>53481358115 years is honest though, it's low since most panels should last 20-30 and warranty doesn't cover random damage and shit.
>>534812687>First off it's not renewable, it's a 20-30 year lifetime productThat's not what people mean when they call a source of energy "renewable" you fucking spastic. Does sunlight run out because a panel degraded after 30 years, or does wind stop existing because a turbine bearing wore out? Your definition is a worthless one because every type of energy is therefore non-renewable.>and they'll last ~5 years,lol could you cope any harder? grid scale lithium iron phosphate systems are commonly warrantied for 15-20 years with thousands of cycles. Pumped hydro lasts even longer. Meanwhile fossil plants constantly burn fuel forever. LOL>you still need to produce 100% of the power at night yep you dont understand grids. Electricity systems already manage variability like this constantly (i.e., demand swings, outages, maintenance, weather, interconnector flows).Geographic diversity, storage, transmission, hydro, demand response/overbuild etc reduce firming requirements massively>you will have to spend 2-4x more on the power gridwow lil buddy!! Congratulations! you discovered infrastructure investment!!! The old grid was also massively subsidised around giant thermal plants and fossil supply chains. modern grids are built differently because generation is becoming cheaper and distributed. cry about it.>It's been tried, and it leads to super high prices.funny how the cheapest new electricity in most of the world is now solar + wind, while nuclear projects in the West keep arriving 10 to 15 years late at a fucking astronomical cost. try again
>>534813884Id say they would work in Australia but in ireland its not warm enough to need air con during the summer. Putting in €20k of solar and the maintenance cost is pretty much just to run a tv, internet and warm water for showers. In winter its dark. Too dark for solar. Thats when we need power. To warm out houses but even if solar did work in winter its gambling 20k.
>>534813126>Source of graph made up liesLOL.>>literally powers the entire fucking earthSee this is where you lose the debate like totally lose.>>powers the entire fucking earth1) planets do not need powering2) That would be the planet itself since even if the sun vanished we will still have geothermal.>>literally powers the entire fucking earthLOL Where? Nowhere. Solar is a joke because it can not replace fossil fuels or nuclear or even hydro. Why can you retards not talk about hydro again? There was a time when humanity used 100% solar energy and it was named the middle ages and before. Also I love how solar retards hide tier solar shit by mixing it together with hydro. Daily reminder that hydro is over 80% of all renewable energy. Solar is a scam so is wind.
>>534813921> average price is just going up and peak price is going to the moon?? solar and wind are now the cheapest new sources of electricity in most of the world. the irony is you're blaming generation with near zero marginal fuel cost for price spikes mostly driven by gas markets, grid constraints, and underinvestment in transmission/storage>chad movethis has gotta be one of the funniest self owns imaginable. Fossil fuels are literally ancient sunlight stored in plants with millions of years of conversion losses. Solar just cuts out the middleman and captures the energy directly instead of digging up compressed Jurassic shart and setting it on fire to smother the fucking planet and destablise the climate of the anthropocene>Why would you harvest energy from the sun like a bottom feeder of biology, plants?congratulations nigger you just discovered how almost all energy on Earth originates.>you dont have any factual argumentscoming from the dingleberry who hasn't made a single factual statement this entire thread, just straight up lies. you know people can google the shit you write on here. right? you don't just get to make shit up and act all smug like you won your little 4chan debate, my snivelling little kike
>>534814057>That's not what people mean when they call a source of energy "renewable" you fucking spastic.Yea however it shoot down your le renewable propaganda who sounds like you are selling perpetual motion machines.>Does sunlight run out because a panel degraded after 30 yearsAnd I reminder everyone that panels are a scam you know what does not degrade over 30 years? Grass! Literally grass simply grow it, cut it down and burn it for fuel it is a endless cycle. No need to buy new plastic panel shit every 30 years. >Muh sunNo no on child the debate is now sun->plant VS sun->meme plastic shit that breaks after 30 years.Funny how you can not talk about this. LIKE EVER!>Does sunlight run out because a panel degraded after 30 years, You know if you used 100% of all the electricity this meme shit made to cook or turn on the lights the questions shows up how these meme shit panels are going to replace themselves.>I buy with $$$$No no child we are not talking about money, money is fake, physics is NON-DEBATABLE!So where is the energy coming from to make these panels?>The factory can have solar panels toSorry you need insane areas of land to get the electricity needed to manufacture solar panels.Once again SOLAR IS A SCAM!
>>534814339Solar is only viable in a limited bumber of places. It certainly isnt viable in ireland. Our dumb government is subsidising it and people are spending their own money on it. Its crazy seeing the waste of resources and stupidity of my neighbors.
>>534813921>15 years is honest though, it's lowthe solar industry is the biggest scammers on eartha company will sell>30 year warrantygo bankrupt a year later, all warranties are voidstart up again in another name, sell panels and warranties, go bankrupt, rinse repeatyou cant get warranty from the solar panel makers, only the installers
the universe is electric. shit is free.its only that air is an insulator and the electricity only passes through in high frequency AC current waves. your pc battery needs DC and low frequency current.
>>534809539We dont actually need to heat or cool in most of Europe. Heating in winter is just a luxury. Temperate climate. Shits mild bro.
Solar winning is baked in, no amount of schizo seething can change this reality
>>534812687>>534814057>>534814057>grid scale lithium iron phosphate systems are commonly warrantied for 15-20 years with thousands of cycles.JESUS CHRIST!And this is why I do not take any of you clowns seriously after you post insane shit like this>OH YEA HOWEVER LITHIUM ION BATTERIES FOR THE GRID.Like jesus fuck, ignoring the absolute DEVASTATION this toxic shit will do to the ecosystem once you try to le recycle it..... Are you fucken insane?! I was not joking about Schrödinger's Hydropower you clowns can literally never process this concept.Do you clowns understand what Pumped-storage hydroelectricity is?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricityIt is a concept so simple even a child can understand it! You pump water uphill to a reservoir and then let it out to move a turbine because it is basic Hydropower!And we are talking about water H2O! Not your toxic battery shit!H2O dose not deteriorate after 5 or 30 years! It is not toxic! It is literally WATER! The life time of a facility like this is basically 100s of years! Yet here you are you solar clowns with your idiotic CNN based ideas of solar panels and lithium ion batteries for the grid. Crap that needs to be replaced at best every 20 years! Are you all fucken insne?I swear ecos are literally cartoonish captain planet vilains at this point.>Lets go team eco! WE need to pollute the water and land with all the toxic crap that comes out of the recycling facilities once our mountains of lithium ion batteries and solar panels need to be recycled! I am literally proposing grass and water you clowns are the ones who SÖY out over all of this toxic meme shit!
>>534814906Or we return to our traditions. Heating one room we spend most of our evening in with wood.
>>534807071We just need a massive lightening rod connected to a massive transformer and harvest lightening strikes. Seems simple
>>534814528Yea it is insane.What did you think of my comparison to this government subsidy shit to the government paying you or letting you drain electricity for free if you hang out a pride flag?
>>534814985Pumped hydro is crazy inefficient.
>>534815069The subsidy and the lies that EVENTUALLY the solar will pay for itself is to fool stupid people into paying money to marginally reduce their impact on grid load so we can have more immigrants without investing in infrastructure.Imagine paying to make your house uglier so the government can import more immigrants. Fools.
>>534815016>and harvest lightening strikes. Seems simpleFun fact lightning strikes replenish nitrogen in the soil. Nitrogen that plants need to grow. Hope nothing bad happens once you start harvesting lightning!
>>534814057>Does sunlight run out because a panel degraded after 30 years, or does wind stop existing because a turbine bearing wore out?Does the sunlight give you electricity? Nope. You need consumables.>Your definition is a worthless one because every type of energy is therefore non-renewable.No, my definition is right. The idea of "renewable" is what's worthless. A one-time use solar power cell is not any more renewable than a can of gas, just the timescale is different.> grid scale lithium iron phosphate systems are commonly warrantied for 15-20 years with thousands of cyclesYou can change the number of years that they last as you like depending on how much you overprovision and spend on cooling. 5 years (~2000 0-100% cycles) is generous.>Pumped hydroIndeed a much better way to store power but cannot be expended due to the same people that advocate for solar.>yep you dont understand grids.No, you don't.>. Electricity systems already manage variability like this constantly (i.e., demand swings, Yes it's a major problem that solar and wind cannot adjust for this. It has pretty much zero ability to adjust to demand to the point that it's driven the price negative sometimes.>Congratulations! you discovered infrastructure investment!!! So you admit it.>funny how the cheapest new electricity in most of the world is now solar + wind,That's how markets work, and it's not a good thing for solar and wind. They need to pay people to waste the energy generated. As we have more of it, yes, the price is low when it's sunny and windy, and when it's not price skyrockets. You are making gas plants super profitable while your wind+solar earns nothing.
>>534814155my chart was IRENA global new capacity additions. this is EIA U.S. specific electricity generation from the existing fleet. Capacity additions tell you what is being built now. generation mix tells you what the legacy grid is producing today. the fact that you actually thought this was an own and hit send is fucking embarassing hahahaha>plants do not need poweringsuch hilariously pathetic semantic dodge. Nobody said the Earth plugs into a wall outlet you stupid nigger mutt. yhe point is that the overwhelming majority of usable energy flows on Earth are solar derived. plants literally run on sunlight through photosynthesis. Wind exists because the sun unevenly heats the atmosphere. Hydro exists because the sun drives evaporation and the water cycle. Fossil fuels are ancient biomass created by sunlight millions of years ago. Even your beloved coal is just compressed prehistoric solar energy. Cope harder>geothermalGlobal geothermal energy flux is tiny compared to incoming solar radiation. The sun delivers ~170,000 terawatts continuously to Earth. Human civilisation uses ~20 terawatts. Solar input absolutely mogs geothermal. you lose again retard. >hydro hydro is geographically constrained and mostly already built out in developed countries, faggot. Nobody is hiding hydro. It’s just not infinitely scalable everywhere.>can not replace fossil fuels or nuclear or even hydromore desperate cope. solar is now the largest source of new electricity capacity added globally year after year. Utilities and investors are deploying it because the economics absolutely rape fossil generation on new build cost.Also funny how you keep framing this like it has to be ONE technology. modern grids are combinations of solar, wind, hydro, storage, transmission, demand response, gas peakers, and sometimes nuclear. you are terminally online nukecel who pees and poos his pants when free energy from the sun is mentioned. need a nappy baby?
>>534815090>Pumped hydro is crazy inefficient.No it is not. We did it back in the day no problem!>Pumped hydro is crazy inefficient.And toxic lithium ion shit or other more insane ideas are better? I got love these metals that will be in my drinking water because the recycling plant pollutes the water with this recycled lithium ion shit!
>>534807071Checkmate Dutch boi
>>534815689Im not sure pumped hydro would be a thing today because power stations are better able to scale production up and down now.Pumped hydro and renewables arnt the future. The future is some mix of renewables, nuclear and fossil fuels.
You're just mad the chinks dabbed on you when you tried to appropriate their companies.
>>534815653>>plants do not need poweringHUH what are you quoting? the PLANET does not need powering. It is literally a ROCK held together by GRAVITY. >obody said the Earth plugs into a wall outletYea I will bully you as long as you use retarded language like >SAVE THE PLANETLear to not peak like a retard. Did it take 25 years of bulling before you retards learned to stop saying>GLOBAL WARMINGand changed to >climate change> yhe point is that the overwhelmingThe point is that your position is a joke and your propaganda clergy did not even care to make the shit you repeat even make any sense whatsoever.majority of usable energy flows on Earth are solar derived.Look another nonsense statement.>solar derived.By that logic fossil fuels are solar energy! While yes they are only long dead biomass that grew because of the sun! Therefore oil is solar energy.>Wind exists because the sun unevenly heats the atmosphere. Yes and????And Oil exists because of the sun also. This fact makes you angry.>Hydro exists because the sun drives evaporation and the water cycle.Yes and?????>Fossil fuels are ancient biomass created by sunlight millions of years ago. Even your beloved coal is just compressed prehistoric solar energy.?????!!!!?????Did you just fucken debunk yourself chatGPT? You literally posted my anti solar talking point and pretend like you won the debate WTF?!>The sun delivers ~170,000 terawatts continuously to Earth. >Source some retarded propagandist made that one upLOL rejected!>hydro is geographically constrained As opposed to solar who you fagots shill even in Greenland.... OH WAIT.>hydro is geographically constrained Wrong simply build bigger reservoirs and alter the landscape more. Are you really so retarded that you can not imagine this?
>>534812687Vanadium Redox I think is the wave of the future for gridscalehttps://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/07/04/worlds-largest-vanadium-flow-battery-goes-online-in-china/
>>534807071Reminder no nuclear power plant has ever broken even financially without subsidies. Not a single one. In Europe most of them are owned by the government and they take their losses straight to the taxpayer. Just in operational costs they can't compete not just with solar (obviously they can't) but they just barely beat gas, once you levelize the costs of building and dismantling the entire thing they can't compete with anything. Not to mention the deep deposits you need to build to store the high intensity nuclear waste, spent nuclear fuel and the like, that's all on the taxpayer. If you forced nuclear power plant operators to assume all those costs they'd close up shop tomorrow.Nuclear is a scam, the biggest scam of them all
>>534815245>Does the sunlight give you electricity? Nope. You need consumables.Again, completely irrelevant to the definition of "renewable energy" you dumb fucking kike. keep pushing this line so I can bully you more faggot>No, my definition is right.No, your definition is wrong. 0 people use this except people disingenously arguing in bad faith. you use this definition of renewable because it lets you muddy the waters between renewables and other forms of energy that actually have to consume fuel. nothing more. >5 years (~2000 0-100% cycles) is generous.kek. this is just you making numbers up because reality makes you cry. grid scale LFP systems are routinely designed around ~6000+ cycles to 70-80% retention, and many are not even cycled 0-100% daily because operators optimise around degradation economics. try again.>zero ability to adjust to demand to the point that it's driven the price negative sometimes.this is the funniest part. you accidentally admitted the real issue yourself: renewables push wholesale prices down. negative pricing happens because marginal generation cost is near zero and supply exceeds demand during some periods. That is not “proof solar is bad,” which is the conclusion a fucking 5 year old would draw, it is proof the market design and storage/transmission buildout lagged the speed of renewable deployment.>cant adjust to demandgrids use portfolios. its not a throttle.>You are making gas plants super profitableCorrect. Because gas increasingly shifts from baseload generation to low capacity factor peaking and firming. that does not mean renewables failed. it means fossil plants lose runtime and become backup providers instead of primary generators. Coal plants absolutely hate this because they’re economically dogshit at flexible operation.>No, you don't.always the most smug cunts on here think they know better then everyody else, when in reality you don't know fucking donkey dick about what you're talking about
>>534814526>burn grass for fuelinefficient. you're right that the energy produced by using grass as fuel is about the same as solar, but the problem is efficiency. You need acres of land to grow the grass to burn, you need people to cut that grass, you need to burn the grass without stopping, you need to-. When you only need a fraction of that acre to have solar panels that are a passive sun power converter. Ok, you need to replace them every 30 years, but again, you were just cutting fucking grass to use a biofuel generator. What you actually want to compare solar to is whats known as a Biomeiler. Which is a barrel full of water that is surrounded by compost material and has piping routed through this thick compost thats packed down while moist in a way that caused this packed material to heat up to boiling temps from the constant CO2 conversion that occurs naturally. Then again, that needs enough biomass to fill a 10x10 room, meaning a lot of man power just to get the biomass for the generator alone. Anyways, we like to think about efficiency and compounding passive energy gain, not about the comparable conversion rates. I'd rather have some black slave in africa I will never know who mines up all the rare earth for China to make my solar panels than to have to create a fucking biomeiler every 3-5 years or to cut and burn fucking grass just to use my electronics. Shut the fuck up. Youre literally making up arguments without any actual knowledge about what youre talking about.
>>534814526>you know what does not degrade over 30 years? Grass! Literally grass simply grow it, cut it down and burn it for fuel it is a endless cycle.dawg are you for fuckin real? your whole post is about burning grass? Did you do any math on how much power you can get from grass and how much space and water you need to grow it? Seriously asking i'd love to see some numbers, home boy.Also why not jsut feed it to cows and go back to peasant plowing?
>>534807071you are rarted
>>534816215China cant cut you off from nuclear. They can cut you off from solar. Euro solar is not competing with anything.
>>534814985You are arguing against a position nobody even made. Pumped hydro is good. Most pro renewables people support pumped hydro. you invented this imaginary anti hydro renewable cult in your own head.>absolute DEVASTATION this toxic shit will do to the ecosystem once you try to le recycle it.your understanding of batteries is stuck in 2015 Facebook boomer memes. LFP batteries do not contain cobalt, have far lower fire risk than older chemistries, and are increasingly recyclable because the materials have economic value. Meanwhile fossil fuels dump combustion waste directly into the atmosphere every single second with no recycling at all.>we are talking about water H2O! Not your toxic battery shit!literal toddler-brain argument. The issue with pumped hydro is not that water is toxic, it’s that geography matters. You need suitable elevation differences, reservoirs, transmission access, environmental approvals, huge capital investment, and long construction timelines etc etc. You cannot just spawn infinite hydro facilities into existence. when the fuck did i say water was toxic you fucking brain dead cunt?>I swear ecos are literally cartoonish captain planet vilains at this pointnope, you're just a propagandised retard regugitating fossil fuel lobby talking points that were stale 15 years ago.
>>534816284>You need acres of land to grow the grass to burn, you need people to cut that grass, you need to burn the grass without stopping, you need to-. WhenWorked in the middle ages and before so you are only bitching.>you need people to cut that grass,As opposed to panels who never break or need people to clean them. OH WAIT.The point is that you can not get more energy from the same m2 that you use for solar panels they you will get from grow biomass. To question this requires you question evolution itself. Therefore all fantasies of a solar future can not happen and are a scam. The only ones who benefit form you going solar panels are the mega corporations who are selling you this solar panel toy shit. This is a quick demonstration that solar panels are a toy at best and a scam at worst. You be better of trying to invent perpetual motion instead of shilling solar crap.
>>534816284this is cool, never heard of this, and op is fag. op youre a fag you want to use energy to make garbage to make energy instead of passively using less energy by heating water WITH garbage instead of whatever you were using.What were you planning to cut the grass with btw, a fuckin scythe??
>>534816506Solar panels can come on line immediately while nuclear takes a decade. Solar panels last for 30 years giving you time to build nuclear or come up with your own domestic solar, China cutting you off is a not a real issue.
>>534807071I doubt I'll ever make RoI, but at least I have more reliable power now.
>>534816412>waterRain exists in Europe I do not give a shit about other regions.>you need to grow it?It grows on its own.>Seriously asking i'd love to see some numbers,The numbers are already provided.Same area as the panel. You literally can not get more solar energy then the plant gets from photosynthesis. This is all. >Noo grass has only a efficiency of Lampta and is only 12 nano-poko-kilowatt-second>Source a idiot scientists made this one upSorry all these calculations you masturbate to are literally made up shit. Some retarded schizo named a scientist literally made that number up and other retards quoted him. None of that is real or even valid.
>>534816692>Worked in the middle ages and before so you are only bitching.No it fuckin didnt what the fuck?
>>534816165you might be the dumbest fucking retard I've ever engaged with on here. And that's saying alot. does your handler know you're on 4chan getting bullied by strangers? No one said granite needs a phone charger dumb cunt. The biosphere, climate system, weather, water cycle and food chain are powered by energy flows. Plants quite literally require sunlight for photosynthesis. Wind is driven by uneven solar heating. Hydro depends on solar driven evaporation and rainfall. Fossil fuels are ancient biomass created by sunlight and buried over geological time.>oil is solar energy.oil is ancient solar energy. that was the point I was making. The difference is stock vs flow. Fossil fuels are a finite stored stock of ancient solar energy that took millions of years to accumulate and is depleted when burned. Solar, wind and hydro harvest ongoing flows. If you cannot distinguish an energy stock from an energy flow, you are not ready for this conversation.>Source some retarded propagandist made that one upLiterally just the solar constant multiplied by Earth’s cross sectional area. Basic geometry, not propaganda. here, I've googled it for you so you can check yourself instead of whinging like a little fucking baby whos too lazy to do it themselveshttps://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+much+energy+does+the+sun+continuously+deliver+to+earth%3F>just build bigger reservoirs and alter the landscape more broexactly why hydro is geographically and environmentally constrained. you accidentally proved the point again. you need elevation, water, suitable geology, land access, transmission, permitting, and acceptable ecological damage. your whole argument is just semantic dodging, childish tantrum-throwing followed by agreeing with me but too stupid to know it.
>>534809018>Why can you not power your home with it then?I literary do it already
>>534816869farms use irrigation you fucking nigger and people water their lawns. how often do you think you can burn your lawn hahahhahahyoure talking about like harvesting 2m tall grass every day point to the numbers please this is a long threadthe other thing is you can put solar on top of buildings that already exist or even do vertical bi-facial solar in between crops, even your dipshit nuclear grass reactor idea
>>534816506Solar is already here and China can't cut off shit. Meanwhile we get most of our enriched uranium from a state owned russian company
>>534816945i like how he's pissed that sunlight is intermittent but doesnt consider how often it rains
>>534807071solar only makes sense in hot and sunny areas. in hot areas peak demand correlates with peak sun due to air conditioners. It can make sense at an individual level to minimize your exposure to greater grid disruptions but you're never saving money with solar. Some jackass came door to door to try to sell me on the panels and i just pulled out my phone and did the calculations to determine that his panels that were designed to last 25 years would, assuming standard standard efficiency decline (-2.5% of sticker output on the first year, and -0.5% each subsequent year), assuming a 2.5% average USD inflation rate and a 3.45% rate of energy price inflation, pay for themselves in approximately 34 years. I assume literally nobody else ever showed him this because the kid looked crestfallen and didn't even have a second level sales cope prepared. Just "BRO IT'LL SAVE U MONEY"
were in the quiet before the walltext right now. i wonder what type of screed he's typing right now.
>>534807071I have firsthand knowledge that the solar panels I installed have drastically cut down the electric bill. I'm not going to listen to some retarded Asian CCP fag on 4chinks.
>>534816222>Again, completely irrelevant to the definition of "renewable energy" you dumb fucking kike. keep pushing this line so I can bully you more faggotYour anger betrays your incorrectness.>you use this definition of renewable because it lets you muddy the waters between renewables and other forms of energy that actually have to consume fuel. nothing more.No, I point it out because it's true. Fossil fuels are just concentrated solar energy and will be renewed too. After solar panels and batteries are used up, they are as good as CO2 in the air. You're just using more resources up front.> grid scale LFP systems are routinely designed around ~6000+ cycles to 70-80% retention,Yes as I said, overprovisioning helps. Anyone with experience of batteries can tell you that the random failures stack up though.>you accidentally admitted the real issue yourself: renewables push wholesale prices down.They are generating the energy anyway, they can't stop it. It's not that it's so cheap to generate, they already paid to generate it now they just have to sell. And it's just over-generating at times where it's not needed and generating nothing randomly when its need
>>534816555>You are arguing against a position nobody even made.Translation:>ID WAihXg9y did not say in>>534814057> grid scale lithium iron phosphate systems are commonly warrantied for 15-20 years with thousands of cycles>PS I am WAihXg9yJESUS FUCK! What chatGPT hell is this!>You are arguing against a position nobody even made.Then why did you talk about "lithium iron phosphate"???>Pumped hydro is good.Then why did you talk about "lithium iron phosphate"???>You are arguing against a position nobody even made.That technology turk did say this and shilled this crap. I stopped watching the video at this point because it has become peak clown world when he talks about lithium ion shit instead of Pumped hydro.> of batteries is stuck in 2015 Facebook boomer memesTranslation>I do not understand what metals are or how they react with the human bodyPlease go drink mercury and watch more of your eco propaganda. >Meanwhile fossil fuels dump combustion waste directly into the atmosphere every single second with no recycling at all.>CO2 LE evil>Plant food CO2 le evilYou are a joke. >when the fuck did i say water was toxic you fucking brain dead cunt?You are chatGPT and can not readYOU>I love toxic metals from lithium ion batteries in my waterME>NO retard use pupped hydro water is not toxic unlike your battery shit! >nope>Lets go Planeteers! WE need to cut down the rain forest to make more paper bags and paper straws! >Because retarded fish eat plastics!>God I love cutting down trees!>nope>New dogma of the eco church>Lithium is not toxic and no metal is toxicYou people are a joke!
>>534817732can you post your hands real quick?
>>534817186>farms use irrigationDid you actually like not water your lawn and see the grass grow on its own?Like you never did that?>and people water their lawns.And it will grow even if you do not do that!>youre talking about like harvesting 2m tall grass every dayAre you starting to realize why solar is a bad and inferior energy source?
>>534817186>the other thing is you can put solar on top of buildingsTranslation>It is impossible to out pot or container of soil on top of building to have grass grow there.>Also vines do not exist.Do you understand now why you are the joke of humanity?
>>534816810My plan to put the same money into some sort of investment. Probably a pension. That way I can move somewhere that solar works when im old and the cold bothers me.
>>534817873solar is the default energy sourceit comes from nuclear fusion in the sun and you are an indian shill
>>534817873>it will grow even if you do not do that!not to a degree that you can use it as an energy source
>>534817598>have drastically cut down the electric bill.Translation>The government reduces my electric bills if I put a LGBT flag on my home every day.>Therefore LGBT flags make electricity because muh money payments!You are a joke.
>>534818046>ot to a degree that you can use it as an energy sourceYes you can.>muh degree energy sourceAnd now you start to realize how insignificant energy from sunlight is!
>>534818016>you are the joke of humanity?youre talking about powering civilization by tearing down 20 years of ivy off a building to send a shitpost on 4chan
>>534817598They are trying to push solar in cold dark euro countries. I 100% believe you that solar has had a big impact on your AC costs. You AC when its hot and sunny.
>>534814089i dont have air con nigger we have the most expensive electricity in the world because our government sold our power companies to chinks
>>534818344So you just sweat all day and stink?
>>534818125Translation- $400 a month bill to $50 a month. To install a thing that looks like a solar panel. I get direct sunlight at least 8 hours a day. You are a filthy chink bug and all of you yellow niggers all want to come where I live. I can also store power to keep my fish alive when the power goes out, meaning when shit hits the fan I will have food and pick off you yellow chinks when you run out and come up the hill.
>>534807071The entire planet runs on solar energy.
>>534818222Did you break chatGPT?>youre talking about The point you retard is that a pant will grow in a pot on a roof. > tearing down 20 years of ivy Translation>I do not understand how ivy worksNewsflash! You need to cut it every year or it will overgrow the home! >To powerWhat part of solar is a pathethic energy source did you fail to understand?
>>534818528>The entire planet runs on solar energy.Translation>I am retarded and wrongSee:>>534816165And educate yourself.
>>534818125>Translation>Translation>Translationare you not seeing that is a strawman orgy? like everyone that proves you wrong you re-write what they say>>534818175>Yes you can.prove it mathematically or kill yourself in front of your grandma with whom you live.
>>534818404you do know about showers you stupid cunt, dont you? plus no one is sweating all daytoday was 23 degrees i was freezing my bollocks off
>>534807071Solar is fine in some areas but batteries are a bottleneck. Wind is a fucking feel-good scam though, Don Quixote was right.
>>534818775just like wifi youre using right now, solar was also invented by aussiesWHITE AUSSIES
>>534807071Only for white countries For tropical countries solar is the best option
>>534811515this company is phat, i like how they have silica thermal energy storage too that's a nice way to diversify their portfolio
>>534807071If.solar is a scam how.does.my.calculator.still work?
>>534819400stfu retardsolar doesnt work in tropical places because it destroys the panelsstick to washing your ass with your hand you filthy jeet nigger
>>534818636>prove it mathematicallyMath is flawed and inferior. You are living in a superstition(math) fueled cult. >Ah yes I am magic professor #43453 here I calculated that there are 2453646gigateratones of TNT potential energy in 1 atom of silicon!
>>534819400gtfo the internet you fuckin street shitting monster
>>534819588how dare you waste the holy digits being such a faggot
>>534816716yeah not only is it a water heater, the bi-product of 3-5 years of decomposing biomass can be used as a super duper rich fertilizer, capable of making areas incapable of growing anything into tropical like rich soil that can grow whatever you want. The inventor of this, Jean Pain, wrote all of this down in a book during the last oil crisis but it was forgotten after oil became cheaper. Luckily its not a completely forgotten technology and can be used by anyone at any point in time. Its literally a barrel and water with fine wood chips surrounding it.
>>534819539>If.solar is a scam how.does.my.calculator.still work?FUN FACT.THAT IS LITERALLY A SCAM!Your calculator is a scam.There is no solar panel only lies!>If.solar is a scam how.does.my.calculator.still work?Because there is a non rechargeable battery inside of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTDuGhqE2wReality is truly stranger then fiction!
>>534807071Why is it a scam, exactly? The sun shines. It warms up some black panels. Through the photovoltaic effect, those panels convert heat to electricity. Where's the scam?It's not free energy, either. I grew up with a crank grandfather obsessed with perpetual motion machines. Perpetual motion is the idea that you can generate free energy. It's physically impossible. Solar isn't perpetual motion or free energy. Want to know why? Because the sun is a FUCKHUGE FUSION REACTOR constantly fusing nuclei in a dead vacuum. That's where the energy comes from. We capture that energy in the form of heat and convert it to electricity. What the fuck even is this thread kek
>>534807071>Solar can not work this is a proven fact>It is proven by 1000s of 10000s of scams who beg for government money promising perpetual motion from the sun and fail every time.Can you name one?
As an apartment rentcuck I find it difficult to care about energy questions and advances in technology, both because electricity is still cheap and because personal consumption is so low. Even with all the fees and taxes included it is difficult for me to end up with an energy bill over 50 eurobucks.I genuinely wish all you off-grid schizos the best though.
>>534819723yea plus you can get methane out of it too. check math cause this is an LLM that did this figureMethane from grass clippings:Grass clippings produce 290–350 liters of methane per kg of volatile solids (VS) via anaerobic digestion. Methane has a calorific value of ~35.8 MJ/m3 (lower heating value). ~10.4–12.5 MJ of energy per kg of dry grass clippings (assuming 60% methane in biogas and typical VS content). Direct combustion of grass clippings:Dry grass has a heating value of ~15–19 MJ/kg, but combustion efficiency in small-scale systems is typically only 20–30%. ~3–5.7 MJ of usable heat per kg.>>534819588good thing calculators are fake or you might have to worry about all the AIDS you got from being a gay nigger
>>534820012>Why is it a scam, exactly?Read the thread educate yourself.>Through the photovoltaic effect, those panels convert heat to electricityAnd like explained these are toys because the energy levels are a joke VS fossil fuels.
>>534820249>the energy levels are a joke VS fossil fuelsyou dont have any fossil fuels though. that's the fuckin point.
>>534820457>you dont have any fossil fuels though.Did you break again chatGPT?>you dont have any fossil fuels though.Translation:>There are no fossil fuels on planet earth.LOL
>>534819549>>534819636Seethe more lobtard timmiesThey're covering entire gujarat into solar panels
>>534811379>Facts don't care about your feelingstruethese chinks are trying to fix a problem they caused in the first place.
>>534820249Yeah, but the problem is that those fossil fuels have externalities not associated with green energy, right? Solar theoretically adds no pollution or CO2 to the atmosphere, in and of itself. Fossil fuels obviously pollute the environment quite a bit and contribute to accelerating climate change. So, if instead of solely measuring energy density, you start incorporating things like THE LOSS OF COASTAL CITIES AROUND THE WORLD, the calculus changes a little bit, right?
>>534820626australia invented solar panels retardwtf are you gonna power with that, lmao maybe charge a phone to scam some granny
>>534807071>Put as much solar on the roof as physically possible>Invest in 10kWh battery pack>yearly electricity bill down from 1500€ to 50€What a massive scam
>>534813581>>534813921To you people, it doesn't matter what the facts are. My solar panels will pay for themselves 11,5 years. This is based on multiple years of real data from invoices. No guesswork. The warranty is 15 years, and the expected lifetime is 20-30. And by the way I'm not being efficient. I could mine crypto to come out even further ahead than I am now. Yet you people still find a way to say it's LE BAD. You are mind raped by the fossil fuel lobby.
>>534820558>There are no fossil fuels on planet earth,that you can afford. correct. and it;s going to get worse as these bullshit jew wars escalate. as bullshit jew governments cut you off more and more from fossil fuels and nuclear, and your response is to seethe uncontrollably about how solar sucks instead of overthrowing your government, or at the very least, attempting to insulate yourself from energy shortages, and what's worse, coping that math isnt real.conclusion: op is a fag.
>>534820626>They're covering entire gujaratnice youll have more things to shit on
It must be tough to have been brainwashed by Oil corporations that having energy dependence on the grid is based and cool.
>>534820821>my panels will pay for themselves in 12 yearshahahahahaseriously you third world spastic, grow upsolar panels have never and will never pay for themselves in the history of the worldAUSTRALIA INVENTED SOLAR PANELSyou will NEVER EVER GET YOUR MONEY BACKinb4>ill just buy a 25,000 dollar battery to save moneylmao
>>534820821>fossil fuel lobby.theres no such thing. kikes paid people to push "fossil fuel" as a term a hundred years agooil is infinite and the earths crust generates it forever and ever >>534820924>energy dependence on the grid iyeah everyone should just pay 100,000 dollars for batteries and panels and have to buy more every 10 years to save a few hundred bucks a year great idea
>>534807294>go drink dinosaur oil>>534813921>, than eaten by dinosaursThat's not how oil was formed. "Fossil fuel" is a meme created by oil monopoly owners, Rockefellers. >Standard oil/ Exxon Mobil.In order to charge customers 10x for gasoline. There's ZERO proofs of this meme. In Realty oil is a HydroCarbon, a combination of H and C molecules. It is produced by the planet. It is 2nd largest liquid on the planet after water, and oil wells literally refill themselves. >we should have ran out of oil in Ghawar field in the middle east >literally decades ago , >and we didn't.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghawar_Field
>>534813126The sun only emits like 30 watts
>>534821003You're not beating the allegations with this post
>>534820701>fossil fuels have externalitiesAS opposed to toxic lithium ion shit who is safe to eat and drink! >fossil fuels have externalitiesOH NO not the harmelss plant food! Not the plant food CO2! > adds no pollution Literally>Lithium ion crap in your water is super OK and healthywhat a joke you are!> climate changeYou lost the debate right hereglobal warming is an absurd lie. >THE LOSS OF COASTAL CITIES AROUND THE WORLDAh yes the magic rising sea levels that literally no one was able to detect for over 100 years!>Noo stop measuring the sea by yourself!>Here scientists are measuring the sea levels using le satellites! However lets assume that the physically impossible will happen and sea levels will rise. Did you clowns hear of literally throwing rocks to raise he level of your city? Like hello?And this is why we know that global warming is a made up lie it is like a child made up lies yet you cultists eat it all up!PS: It is physically impossible for the sea levels to riseIf global temperatures rise to melt more ice the evaporation raises and the ocean evaporate faster.
>>534820773>Put as much LGBT flags on the roof as physically possible>yearly electricity bill down from 1500€ to 50€This is you.
I am going to post my favorite EROI chart. Energy Returned on Energy Invested. While you can run solar and wind LOCALLY and store what you make in a battery. It doesn't work in scale. Except in areas where you have no other cheaper energy sources, >such as oil, gas, hydro, coal and nuclear. Also Hydrogen bomb was the largest uncontrolled energy release on the planet . And we have so many lightnings ... etc.You can actually see you have other significant energy sources - atmospheric electricity , hydrogen , etc.
>>534821398you're literally a third world retard in the dumbest country in yoorup your solar panels will NEVER EVER give your money back, its like taking a bunch of money and throwing it out the windowyou will NEVER get it all back
>>534820828>that you can affordI afforded them no problem today when i tanked up my car.You are beyond debunked.
>>534821458That's a whole lot of concentrated crazy you got there. >>534821520EROI is salient, but we have to incorporate externalities. Engineers love to optimize for efficiency, but as with markets, efficiency is not the sole variable. Nothing exists as a pure efficiency optimization algorithm in the real world, and as humans, we have to balance as many factors as we can.
>>534820701Holly crap, memes believer. 1. CO2 is a plant food.2. We are on a carbon planet, filled with carbon life forms. Your death cult of reducing carbon on a carbon life form planet is pathetic. 3. No proofs of "fossil fuel" memes.>link below4. No loss of coastal cities, Obama bought a house on the water.Fossil fuel meme debunked: >>534821204>oil is ABIOTIC, is a Hydrocarbon, as well as 50 other HydroCarbons, it is produced by the planet.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocarbon
>>534807071Idk man I set up a 800w system and that shit works great and it's been 5 years.
>>534821680The point of my EROI chart above. Is that on a larger scale, we have to have coal power plant on a stand-by, when solar or wind is being used. Because solar isn't there for half a day , and because wind could die off and be out for DAYS . So, in order to balance this, in high scale energy production ,they keep coal plants on stand by , basically operational. There's literally ZERO reason to have all this extra complexity when you can just run coal plant by itself.However, locally , on your personal level of your own house and your own neighborhood. You can have solar panels and wind and batteries and be whatever set.
>>534821680Translation>Oh no someone exposed the cult propaganda and lies that is my ideology and is stating facts that destroy it>Quick I dismiss it an d call him crazy!>WEWYou understand that everything you know was indoctrinated into you by school and MSM right? There is no global warming/climate change. It is all a lie a lie so cheep and stupid that your clergy did not even bother to check it or make it not sound retarded as fuck. And you believe all of it! Like a good slave.
>>534821954>Because solar isn't there for half a day ,it's there. it's just on the other side of the planet.
>>534807071I have solar and sell my home electricity to the electric company to power the homes of shortsighted monkeys like you.Get paid like $30/mo
>>534821716>4. No loss of coastal citiesI mean if you live there you can measure it yourself. It is hard to believe the bullshit they say if what is measured says something else.However this is something everyone can measure and see witohut big corporate bullshit so they hate it.You know what the official response is?>Umm stop measuring the water by putting measuring instruments to it!>Here the experts are measuring the sea level using satellites!At this point you can replace satellite with magic box says and in the magic box there is a guy making shit up.
>>534822176>I have solar and sell my home electricity to the electric companyTranslation>The government pays me for putting up LGBT flags on my home>Therefore LGBT flags are a energy source.
>>534821569If truth was on your side, you would post numbers (like I did). But all you have is changing the topic to personal attacks. Please keep going. I want people in this thread to see how you are nothing but hot air.
>>534813322> we get NOTHINGHave a check.Also, you have spiders.
>>534821954>There's literally ZERO reason to have all this extra complexity when you can just run coal plant by itself.Except for the fact that coal is exceptionally dirty and contributes to CO2 emissions.
>>534822337>If truth was on your sideDude you already admitted you are participating in a known government scam.And you know it is a scam!You have nothing to stand on other then admitting you are the worst possible human trash who does not care that his greedy actions (participating in the solar scam) will destroy your country eventually. You have nothing to stand on.>you would post numbersTranslation>Look at the numbers of money the government pays me for putting up LGBT flags! This is you, this is your point>Dude dude look the government removes $1400 from my electrical bills because I have 50 LGBT flags on my home!>Dude numbers dude! This is literally you.How stupid can you get?
>>534822090I lost my post, will try to recreate it.>Solar panels that can generate electricity at night have been developed at Stanford >A team of engineers at Stanford University have developed a solar cell that can generate some electricity at night.https://www.npr.org/2022/04/07/1091320428/solar-panels-that-can-generate-electricity-at-night-have-been-developed-at-stanf >Shanhui Fan’s moonlight solar panels enables electricity generation at night>The team has developed a method to harness the natural process of radiative cooling, allowing solar panels to convert the night sky into a power source. https://ee.stanford.edu/shanhui-fans-moonlight-solar-panels-enables-electricity-generation-night There are a number of questions here.1. Are they actually harvesing the sun , or something else.2. If the sun , are we on a flat plane, and our eyes just don't see the sun.3. What type of physics is used here? >and can this physics be applied to harvest that energy source without solar panels?etc.
>>534822577>contributes to CO2 emissions.Who mean nothing because global warming is a lie.> is exceptionally dirty Translation>However the same coal burned as part of the ((((renewable energy grid backup system))) is magically clean and emits nothing.
>>534807071independence is antisemitic. we jews cannot monetize the sun so you can't have it, goycattle
>>534822617>>Solar panels that can generate electricity at night have been developed at StanfordIS this a joke? Am I supposed to laugh?>can generate electricity at night Yes there is the moon>muh 0.000000001 micro volts at nightThis is you.
>>534821716>CO2 is a plant food.that would be fine, if plants were the only source of co2.if china is reaching new levels of coal burning it's going to be tough to match all of that in new plant growth.
>>534822577Buddy . We aren't in the 19th century. Modern 21st century coal power plants are "clean coal power plants". There's very little polution. The issue is our scammer buddies, Rockefellers, the oil monopolists that own Standard Oil / Exxon Mobil, are pushing all those fake memes, in order to attack every single REAL Energy source that can compete with their oil monopoly. >that's why they attack nuclear and coal https://www.energy.gov/articles/fact-sheet-department-energy-ending-war-beautiful-clean-coalhttps://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-continues-reverse-democrats-war-beautiful-clean-coal-finalizes-repeal-costly>Clean coal technology: How it workshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4468076.stm
>>534807071>Solar is a scamName something related to energy that's not a scam.
>>534807071>solar doesn't workBut it does tho?
>>534821716Not sure how to respond to this. It's a bit of a gish gallop. I guess I'll just scattershot it right back to you?1. CO2 is "plant food," (extremely fucking loosely) but it's also a greenhouse gas. Did you know you can die from eating too much food or even drinking too much water?2. Uh.................. this just isn't even slightly true? Carbon is less than 2% of the earth's weight by mass... and the idea isn't to reduce carbon because of like, a "crusade against carbon," I guess you're implying for some fuckin reason? Lmao. It's because greenhouse gases are objectively raising the average temperature of our oceans and overall climate. If it were another gas, we'd focus on that instead. It has nothing to do with, like, hating carbon, or whatever. What a fucking ridiculous statement lmaoYeah, sorry, can't make it any further kek
>>534822880China btw is re-greening a massive desert right now. >Lots of places for CO2 to go >US also has massive deserts btw.Except your Brit oligrachs want to ban any actual real technology, when they can't control it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall_(China)https://www.newsweek.com/how-china-turned-a-desert-green-11241387 https://www.livescience.com/planet-earth/plants/china-has-planted-so-many-trees-around-the-taklamakan-desert-that-its-turned-this-biological-void-into-a-carbon-sink https://desertification.wordpress.com/2025/02/25/china-just-turned-its-biggest-desert-into-a-giant-forest/
>>534807628>>534810990I have put about 6k into my solar set up and I run a fridge,washer and my PC just fine not attached to the grid. Most mutts are just 80 IQ consoomer golems. for 50k I could set up a 20-30 panel array and be able to run a tesla car charger or a small village, kek.
>>534823103Nice. Let me debunk more leftist and Rockfeller's memes. >1. CO2 is "plant food," (extremely fucking loosely) but it's also a greenhouse gas. CO2 is 3% of greenhouse effect. 95% of greenhouse effect is WATER WAPOR. >oceans and water cycle >stuff we aren't affecting and can't controlYou need to stop blindly believing this stuff, and actually start using your own brain and your own research.>Carbon is less than 2% of the earth's weight by mass.. It's IRRELEVANT, all life forms - from humans to animals etc. all use Carbon molecule. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-based_life
>>534822617>Solar panels that can generate electricity at night sounds like a retarded gimmick. better would be to have a global electricity grid so that energy can be generated 24/7 by panels around the world and transferred to where it is needed, or more likely who will pay most for it.>>534823118see my post >>534820664they are replacing the trees they cut down.the reason they have a problem with desertification is because the ccp told all their chinks to cut down forrests.it wasn't until the late 1980/90s that they realized they fucked up and have now spent ~$100b to fix the problem,unfortunately, once the rain washes away all the nutrients and soil trees aren't going to grow there any more.
>>534823032>Name something related to energy that's not a scam.Oil rigs.
>>534823103>1. CO2 is "plant food,"YES.>but it's also a greenhouse gas.This is a lie.>or even drinking too much water????Are you making my points for me?>Wa WA CO2 bad it can kill youSo can water>BAN WATER!
>>534823431>sounds like a retarded gimmick.I take this phrase and use it form now on.All solar panels are a retarded gimmick. Sounds better then calling them a scam flat.
>>534807071buy a 10$ one and use a voltmeter. Run a lightbulb from one, niggerThis is a /b/ thread
>>534823431>>534822880Tell me buddy. Why do British Petroleum (BP) and Royal Dutch Shell (shell), keep attacking any real energy source that is REAL that they don't control?
>>534823914they get a free pass because they aren't chinese, and don't have 1.4 billion chinks using up resources.the real answer to global energy demands is the world needs less chinks.
>>534822311>t. Seething poorfag
The rich and spoiled elite couldn't care less about the environment but they sell you that idea to get the dollar..If we all stopped caring as they do then perhaps they would have to actually start caring as they're destroying the world
