I know it's controversial to ask, but please try to give a good argument and only than start name calling.
>>534818117Ukraine is winning by producing millions of drones which cost them only around 5 billion $. Also they defeated ziggers at the beginning without any foreign help
>>534818117despite. trump has been withholding intel and aid from ukraine for awhile now in order to try to force them to negotiate a truce / ceasefire with russia.
>Ukraine>WinningNever ever, Russia stronk and winning every single fought battle
>>534818117i dunno you tell me how ukraine's population is growing
>>534819284I am no expert, but according to real experts I occassionally listen to, there are the following factors: 1. Ukraine is no longer in a defensive, but in an offensive mode2. Ukraine is losing less men than Russia3. Ukraine has more acceptance by their own population to continue the war then Russia has4. Ukraine gets more and more investment, especially with regards to drone factories5. The Russian elite is now afraid of Ukraine even in Moscow6. Ukraine's focus on different types of Drones and asymetrical warefaring enables them being able to wage war with much less soldiers than Russia. 7. Russia couldn't capilaize from the results of Trump's war on Iran with regard to the rising prizes for oil and gas due to Ukraines effective kinetic sanctions8. Trump seems to have new insights on how bad the state of Russia actually is, since he made a U-Turn on Ukraine and trying to join what he considers the winning team
>>534820130>according to real expertswho?>Ukraine is no longer in a defensive, but in an offensive modeUkraine has launched 7 failed offensives in this war and is still losing territory. Ukraine has not taken and held territory at any point in the war.>Ukraine is losing less men than RussiaRussia's population has increased as a result of the war, hasn't had to mobilize its conscripts, and is still turning away excess volunteers. KIA in Russia is ~400k. KIA in Ukraine's low estimates are pushing 2M.>Ukraine has more acceptance by their own population to continue the war then Russia hasUkraine's own polling shows overwhelming support for surrender and elections. They're attacking TCC officers and suicide bombing recruiting centers. Putin, meanwhile was overwhelmingly reelected.>Ukraine gets more and more investmentInvestment and support from the West has declined, not increased>The Russian elite is now afraid of Ukraine even in MoscowHow is this measured? What does this mean in real terms?>Ukraine's focus on different types of DronesUkraine has (or had) a lot of competent men who rapidly adapted to drone warfare. So does Russia. This isn't an advantage Ukraine has over Russia.>Russia couldn't capilaize from the results of Trump's war on IranGazprom budgeted for Ural Oil at ~60USD in 2026. It's currently selling at ~95USD. In two months, making an extra 1.2 Billion USD per month in the last two months.>Trump seems to have new insightsTrump's own intelligence chiefs have publicly testified that he exclusively listens to Mark Levin, Jared Kushner, and Benjamin Netanyahu. US Inteligence agencies aren't even allowed to brief him. The insights he's huffing are Israeli farts.
>>534821417>>according to real experts>who?Michael Kofman, Philips o'Brien, Andrea Kendall-Taylor, Mark Galeotti>>534821417>>Ukraine is losing less men than Russia>Russia's population has increased as a result of the warThese are not people who wish the war to continue. They are aware that the anexion made their lives worse. >>534821417>>Ukraine gets more and more investment>Investment and support from the West has declined, not increasedno, sorry, that's simply not true. >>534821417>>Ukraine's focus on different types of Drones>Ukraine has (or had) a lot of competent men who rapidly adapted to drone warfare. So does Russia.Russia lacks the innovation, they simply missed it and are now years behind Ukraine, which is in war time something that can't be compensated >>534821417>>Russia couldn't capilaize from the results of Trump's war on Iran>Gazprom budgeted for Ural Oil at ~60USD in 2026. It's currently selling at ~95USD.it's not selling much despite the price
God I hate this fucking forced faggot memeplease go back.
>>534822345>Kofman, O'Brien, Kendall-Taylor, GaleottiNone of these people have ever had a real job, let alone military, logistical, or technical expertise. All of them are on propaganda payrolls. You're actually retarded to have not noticed that your worldview comes entirely from CIA payroll.>These are not people who wish the war to continue.The conflict in the Donbas that's been going on for a decade is the reason for this SMO. They fought a guerilla war for a decade to make this SMO happen.The ethnic Russians in the donbas republics reasonably believe they are fighting to not be genocided.>the anexion made their lives worse.They fought for a decade for the annextation, and then they voted for the annexation. They are a major source of volunteers in the SMO, and their irregular guerilla units formed the basis of the modern Russian DRG as used in the conflict. They are the most pro-active demographic on the Russian side of the conflict.>no, sorry, that's simply not true.You Euros have been absolutely screeching about the fact that Trump's support for Ukraine is miniscule compared to Biden's. Quantify what form of investment you actually think has increased.>Russia lacks the innovationRussia was first to introduce drones, first to introduce mass production of quadcopters, first to introduce shahed-style drones, first to introduce fiber optic control, and has maintained EW dominance throughout the war. At no point has Ukraine fielded a drone technology that was either novel or more available than the Russian counterpart. You're trying to pretend that the Ukrainians being mass-conscripted and force-marched through minefields are the better-leveraged force. It's delusional.>it's not selling much despite the priceGazprom sales volume is not down. They have infinite demand from China, and they still sell to Europe. "Sanctions" just means Europeans pay a premium to buy Russian petrol products from intermediaries.
>>534818117How is it winning?Recently they got better at striking inside Russia, but both sides are pretty much exhausted in terms of troops and money.Nobody's winning, they both lost like a bunch of trannies
>>534818117Nettes Häuschen, da würde ich auch leben. Mir ist dein Thread ziemlich egal, aber das Bild war witzig. Schönen Sonntag mein Neger!
ask mykola who just got bussified this aftetnoon why his country is "winning"
>>534821417Russia lost about half a million barrels in shipments per day in recent times, due to Ukrops droning their refineries, ports and oit depots.That's close to 15% of their oil exports (my calculations based on Reuters data).Sure they got a slight boost from the Iran war, but since their infra is getting droned more now, they failed to fully take advantage of global prices rising
>>534818679Only those little vampire drones are made in ukraine. They build them in apartment basements under human shields
>>534823624You are arguing with a retard or a bot
>>534823746Ukraine has zero capeability of striking deep into Russia.>https://space4peace.org/britains-top-secret-raf-pathfinder-hub-inside-the-premier-military-spy-base/>An unexpected hub of global espionage lies deep in the heart of the British countryside. The top-secret Pathfinder Building at Royal Air Force Wyton is Britain’s premier military spy base – a vast hangar that houses Five Eyes experts from Britain, the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The Telegraph calls it ‘the jewel in the crown of British Defence Intelligence’.>The Cambridgeshire base is staffed by hundreds of linguists, scientists, psychologists, geographers, and data specialists who collect and analyze intelligence from across the globe 24/7. Sky News – one of the news organizations given rare access to the Pathfinder Building – describes it as a gray, football pitch-sized room with teams divided into sections and seated at curved desks. Monitors stream satellite and drone feeds while red, glowing digital wall clocks display time zones from Washington to Moscow, Canberra, and Wellington.>Monitors stream satellite and drone feeds
>>53482410215% of sea trade, which is 50% of all oil trade. So 7.5% but the price of oil has gone through the roof.Fuck off retard
>>534818117It does feel like they gained momentum right after Biden's term. I think his administration put too many restrictions on Ukraine to do any serious damage to Russia. Then Trump's administration came in and they said "do whatever", so Ukraine did. And that turned out to be in Ukraine's favor.
>>534820130This is said since day 1, and since day 1 experts say that Russia is collapsing, still waiting
>>534824102>based on Reuters dataOkay, mine is based on Gazprom data. What would Reuters know?>but since their infra is getting droned more nowQuantify that. You're arguing that Russia is not making the money it's making. As evidence you have "trust me bro" and "The White House stenographer said so."Can't even find Reuters directly making the claim, just other news sites claiming that Reuters is reckoning from IEA data. Russia is not an IEA member. You're comparing hearsay to Gazprom's published numbers.
>>534824405No it's 15% of all their oil exports.It's somewhere between 0.5-0.7mbpdThe only significant gain for Russia from this recent oil price spike was adding a few billions to the national wealth fund. That's pretty much it. It doesn't change the overall equation of the war muchWhy do you think Russia avoided holding a big parade in Moscow? Because shit got real and their elites truly fear random drones coming out of nowhere and exploding their ass
>>534824638They only call it a "shadow fleet" because.they cant track the oil sales.There are estimates 30% of the Russian economy is unreported
>>534824638>Gazprom dataThose are not public anymore, whatever you'd been told is massaged data.Reuters has cross-checked from multiple source, some from inside Russia, to estimate how much volume in oil has Russia lost in terms of exports since these hits on refineries have begun.
>>534825069Fuck off retard.Only 50% of thier oil is shipped.The pipeline to Hungary is turned back on.You are a faggot shil spewing nigger nonsence
>>534818117Ukraine is a demographically destroyed shithole whole ceeding its farmland and resources to Western Capitalist that will be a terrorist problem long after the conflict ends which was the American objective the entire time. Now you have a significantly weakened Europe and a Ukraine that's going to be a NWO shithole on Russias doorstep with no national identity.
>$20/ barrel for Russia to extract/ship oil>price rises from $60 ($40 profit) to $100/barrel ($80 profit).Let me tell you how Russia is losing money on oil sales!
>>534825167Source for the data:https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-cuts-oil-output-april-sources-say-2026-04-21/>the April fall in production amounts to a drop of between 500,000 bpd and 600,000 bpd from Russian production levels in late 2025>largest decline in monthly output in 6 yearsIt dropped from 9m bpd in March, for reference:>Russia's oil output was stable in March, at 9.167 million bpdAnd the Russian economy is starting to contracthttps://www.reuters.com/business/russias-economy-shows-first-quarterly-contraction-three-years-2026-04-29/A list of hits on refineries:>https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/ukraine-renews-attacks-russian-energy-sites-what-has-been-hit-2026-04-22/
>>534818117he actually has helped quite a bit, just not directlyhes simultaneously tripped up every single one of russias major allies at once. russias now in a very precarious position, where if they just keep pushing through and trying to invade like they were planning, they could potentially "win" the war, but then find themselves completely isolated from the entire world. and not like last time where iran an just help them dodge all sanctions. like completely alone on the world stage
>>534825749>list of refineriesWhy do the leave off the date they were repaired? Dont you think thats a relavent detail? Faggot shill.Every refinery has been brought back online in 2-4 weeks.>let me tell you how Russia is losing money selling oil!Where is the pipeline to Hungary in your glownigger "data"?
>>534825749>"sources say">"may have">"likely">"could be">"may have">"said sources"You're retarded. Chinese imports of oil from Russia are still increasing, Russia's debt-to-GDP didn't have an unexpected spike and is still down around 20%, Putin unilaterally declined to sell petrol to Euro's while they were offering to buy, and Russia says they're still making and selling gas. Your narrative to the contrary is founded entirely on speculation and hearsay by a known US propaganda tool.
>>534824317NAFO shills think that random and isolated drone attacks makes you capable of striking deep into russia lol
>>534826073I don't have recent data, but in 2024 Hungary imported the equivalent of 100k mbpd oil from Russia. That's basically less than a fifth the drop in April in terms of output. It's that tiny
>>534826012>completely isolated from the entire world.except for BRICS, which accounts for most of humanity and its production.>and not like last time where iran an just help them dodge all sanctions.Iran just became the regional power in the Middle East and annihilated US bases in the region. They're in a better position to participate in BRICS now than they were before.
>>534826250You are a retardRussia made record profits in April off the price of oil increase. You cant spin this.>well they made record profiits but they could have made more so ukraine won!
>>534826165China imports about 2mbpd oil from Russia.And they used to import about 4.4mbpd from the Gulf...That ESPO pipeline between China and Russia has a limit of 1.6mbpd. Russia can't really increase deliveries through that pipeline just because they want or China wants
>>534826378Yes but that's from payments for what was delivered in previous months.As I told you, based on the data, in April, Russia's oil exports dropped by about 15% due to these problems with ports and refineries. So this will become visible in terms of revenue later on
>>534826331you guys swallow so much of your own propaganda im surprised you dont chokeits very likely the whole iran thing hasnt even started yet, and here you are already handing medals. i think youre gonna be rly rly confused, and extremely irate, in a few months from now.just a hunch thoalso>BRICSjust shorten it to "C"literally the only one worth considering. and frankly, theyre having their own problems rn. ones that we will most certainly be aggravating to the best of our ability, im sure.
>>534826627Ok lets look at your claim>15% of oil supply cut>profit margin doubles>this means they are losing money!Are you even a real person?>>534826549Why do you neglect to mention the largest fastest pipeline on earth to Shanghai supplying 300 million homes?Why do you pretend crude is not just a fraction of energy exports?Eat shit troon
>>534826549Nothing that you said contradicts the fact that Chinese imports of Russian oil are increasing. Russia made a lot of money off thep rice of oil going up. Ukraine is a rump state ruled by a foreign tyrant, and the only way a Ukrainian identity can survive now is if Russia wins and returns Ukraine to the union to protect it from the West. Russia is on track to do that.
>>534826650>its very likely the whole iran thing hasnt even started yetREAL war with Iran hasn't been tried! lol. I thought we went in with maximum non dei anti-woke Hegseth style warfighting unrestrained? Or was that a lie? Or did it just not work. wasn't this special excursion supposed to be over very quickly? Now it's a few more months? Whatever.
>>534827034Wait till you see the record oil company profits this year. The left will have a field day.
>>534826650>the whole iran thing hasnt even started yetThe US is flying bombing sorties from the UK because even Cyprus had hangars get hit by Iranian munitions. The US depleted its stockpile of standoff precision munitions and Tomahawks to avoid entering Iran's airspace and still took unsustainable airframe losses. That's just to combat with F4's and manpads.America does not have a larger attack that it can launch from the air or sea, and America does not have a conventional ground force that can invade Iran. General Mattis was fired by both Obama and Trump for refusing to launch a suicide mission into Iran, because his assessment is that it isn't possible.
>>534827148>record oil company profitsYeah, turns out doubling prices on Americans increases profits. That'll win voters over.
>>534827536Thats what happened on 2008 when oil spiked. Hurricane on the gulf destroyed one refinery and insugents blew up 3 pipelines in Iraq.Or did they blow up thier own pipeline to make record profits?Where are the enviornmentalists now that we have massive oil fires all over 3 continents?Iran pumping oil into the sea?
>>534818117What tipped Russia over the edge was the blocking of starlink. They never advanced since then.
>>534818117Despite Trump, Trump hasn't sent a single aid since he has gotten in office, everything Ukraine has from USA came from Biden, the only thing Ukraine still gets is intel, but that's because CIA provides it and CIA is pro Ukraine unlike the literal russian den that is trump's administration.
>>534820130According to "real experts" aka NATO agitprop
