Atheists can’t answer the morality question. If morality is subjective, why do you care about conservative values? You don’t have any reason to care if you’re atheist. By your own logic, fucking your own mom can’t be wrong cause it’s relative. The whole basis of conservative values has its roots in Christianity.
state enforced religion is never coming back to the west
>>534823887Pete Hegseth would like to disagree
>>534823729Even if god existed morality would still be subjective, its just gods opinion. Also, what even is conservative values besides conserving Israel?
>>534823729>By your own logic, fucking your own mom can’t be wrong cause it’s relativethis true, it's relative, the whole notion of something being good or evil presupposes an objective to which it can be compared with. Something can be good or evil towards an objective, without it, there is no inherent good or evil and everything is subjective, what happens to human discourse is that everybody presupposes the objective of having a "good life" however you want to define that.>so why don't you do X thing if you don't think it's bad?because I'm also wary of consequences I don't want to bring upon myself, it's simple contextual objectivity and pragmatism, that's all you ever really need
>>534823982>>534824020>dude fucking your mom isnt wrong.. its opinion man!!Atheists are not bringing in their best.
>the only reason i don't rape and chimp out is because i believe some deity will punish me
>>534823982False. I have found the truth about what is trully good, and what is trully bad, without God/the bible telling me about it. You simply need intelligence, wisedom, knowledge, and you can find the truth about this matter. God simply follow the truth, he does not dictate it.
>tired old christcuck facebook gotchascollaboration brings better results than competition empathy is evolutionary advantagenigger
>>534823729Why are you obsessed with atheists?
>>534823729Willing to entertain that the pearly gates and golden horns stuff is just mortals trying to visualize something beyond their comprehension. But the Bible is simply too advanced and logical in the principles it presents to be put in league with actual give me more pussy crazy shit like the Quran and the Mormon shit. It's either divine revelation or somebody violated the Prime Directive and left us some cliff notes that we weren't supposed to have.
>>534824353>empathy is evolutionary advantageSo is religion. Western laws are based off of Christian morality.
>>534823971try appealing to reason before authority you have to be 18 to post here
>>534823729you do not own morality. I normally don't care about religious debates, but you do not own morality, you cannot. that implies morality doesn't exist outside of abrahamic religions, which is pretty much retarded
>>534823729Your grand theory is that without God I have literally zero reason not to just start stabbing people? A point so bulletproof it somehow ignores every philosopher who ever lived, basic human empathy, and the fact that I'm not a fucking psychopath. Aristotle was figuring this stuff out before your religion even existed mate. And "God said so" isn't objective morality it's just subjectivity with extra steps, you're still cherry-picking which bits of the book to follow only now you've just outsourced the decision to some guy in a robe. Stunning logic. Go outside and touch grass.
>>534824490AHAHAAHHAHAHAmorality and laws existed before your magic jewand in case you didn't notice your christianity has always led to collapse and jewish subversion
>>534823729morals aren't real indeed but that doesn't mean we "don't care". laws are setup to punish people doing bad things. this is all the "morality" the world needs, else we just descend into anarchy - which isn't a sustainable system to live in. humans are unfortunately aware of our own demise (thanks God?) so we must make up a "fair" and "moral" system to live in. morals come from our innate desire to avoid suffering (too much), which is all that is needed.
>>534823729Simple: the fact that I don't buy into Christianity in no way prevents me from having compassion for others, recognizing that some behaviors are destructive or self defeating, and wanting the world around me to be a better place than a worse one. If the only reason you help someone else is because you are terrified that you will be punished otherwise, thats not morality. Thats conditioning through fear. Will there be things that people disagree on where the line is, morally speaking? Of course. But thats *already true*, and pretending that your side has the unspoken sanction of god doesn't change that.
I think it is impossible to describe the world without creative intelligence.The moral engine of how we perceive the geometry of existence rests upon us. No one can say they haven't questions God in why- Even Jesus asked Why have you forsaken meIn Plato's version of the Good Man who meets crucifixion through being truly good - he does not resurrect through the physical human body. - the resurrection occurs when you may understand the Geometry of Goodness, Beauty and Truth
>if it wasn't for God everyone would be amoral and raping and killing everyone this retarded argument is really more of a dig at yourself than at atheists. Only God is stopping you from raping and killing?
>>534824490Western laws are based off of the rule of Rome and Greece, which existed before Christ. Therefore, Christianity is not a requirement for morals, law, and order.
>>534823729Easy; Instead of thinking of gods being omnipotent beings, think of them as your values. If you value money for example, then the acquisition of money becomes one of the things you do to fulfill that value. Your values as a person are your morality (or immorality), hence they are your god.
>>534823729Morality isn't subjective, dummy. (Don't harm others is really pretty simple yet way too complicated for most retards.) Atheists are the most moral people because they do not need an invisible sky monkey to keep them from murdering people.
>>534823729Because we create the world we live in and it’s better to create something more like paradise than Hell? Actual karma- Is just sleeping in the bed you make. Maybe it’s still better to be good even if there is no deal with Santa Clause That’s my take on it
>>534825023I think that you are absolutely right morality is objective.And I understand your position on why Christians have perhaps seen hypocritical to youI think that the original premise of Plato was based of the geometry of the soul cast against the slosh of the world and the objective form of beauty in symmetry, which is moral
>>534823729>If morality is subjective, why do you care about conservative values?If morality is subjective, why shouldn't I care about conservative values? Because you say so? That's just your opinion man, one that we just established is not privileged over mine.The universal/relative "debate" here is just theists arguing that morals don't count unless they're cosigned by the creator of the universe - and the insistence that if they merely state that their morals are backed up by such a creator, you are just supposed to believe them that there is such a creator, they're in contact with him/her/it, and that said creator did in fact endorse their particular morality. And if you ask any questions it's because you're a godless heathen communist leftist pinko faggot troon.
>>534825178seemed*
>>534823887but the state is still enforcing you to accept certain religions
>>534823729>if you no believe jewgod that tell jews to rape kids bad how you believe rape kids bad
>>534825023What is the positive case for their morality when every value they believe is stolen straight from Christian civilization - a civilization with a rightful claim because God can reasonably fulfill the platonic tradition. Your world of mini particle gods is as pathetic as they are small.
>>534824313Interestingly. the Bible actually agrees with you. “And they became as Gods knowing right from wrong” Eating the fruit took away man’s innocence and thereby created the possibility of being guilty because we know better. If you don’t know right from wrong, you’re an unthinking animal motivated solely by pain and pleasure.
Even assuming God or some sort of deity exists, there are enough of differing religions that many of them must be wrong, and there must be a reason why people would go and believe something wrong, and that reason is usually pretty practical. Just imagine, for a moment, that you don't have germ theory yet or the capacity to identify parasites, and you can't give a good, objective answer to why people who eat pork in your region tend to become sickly and live shorter lives, you just know that you've been around a long time and seen a trend that you think you should communicate to your people so they won't be sick so often.How are you going to get them to stop when you don't understand the root cause yourself, and they can just point to Dave, the guy who cooks his food extra well, and go "well Dave eats tons of pork and he's perfectly healthy, surely it's fine?"The only way to do it is to appeal to an authority that's above proof.
>>534825023I'd argue that the BIG moral arguments are basically settled, and the only people who disagree are psychopaths. We all agree that murdering people is wrong, and that even in edge cases extenuating circumstances are required for taking another human life. Both because we don't want to be murdered, and because we can look around and see what happens to a society where murderers go unpunished and its not good. Likewise we agree that stealing is wrong, rape is wrong, etc. We can consider the big stuff settled.But somewhere downstream from there, you end up with disagreements. Sometimes minor, sometimes major. Rape is wrong, yes, but what counts as rape and what doesn't? Seems like waffling, but different countries (hell, even different states within the US) have different legal answers to that question. Even when you agree that rape is wrong, subjective disagreement on the matter exists.And then you get one step further removed and you hit stuff like abortion, where there is a HEAVY schism on whether its moral at all fullstop, mostly based on whether the mother or the child has priority to impose their will upon the existence of the other. Everyone involved thinks that they are the moral voice of reason, but the fact that those voices don't always agree means that it must be subjective.
>>534825342Morality is objectiveAnd you are viewing things from a totality of geometry perspective where the universe is in perfect coherence.However, not everyone has reached that type of cross-thinking- When you say mini particle gods - you are dismissing the minor scale of God's music - which is even what CERN say they are looking for - the form of GodSo rather than us all becoming hostile to one another. Perhaps we can work together to try and understand the form of things.
>>534823887Statism is the most violent and dangerous religion. Statism is the mainstream, state enforced, religion of the so-called west.
>>534824527this user was decapitated by Muslims
>>534825626Did someone say geometry?
>>534824892>Even Jesus asked Why have you forsaken mehe wasn't really asking, it was just part of the script he was preordained to speak
>>534824527No anon, this is the weak interpretation.This is Ricky Gervais, going on about he doesn't rape and kill people, not because God tells him not to do it but because he doesn't want to do it.Ricky never moves to the next stage. He never sees that its objective. It actually IS wrong to hurt people. When we move to the next stage, be have to see that truth, goodness, beauty, are actually part of the universe, just as light and matter are. Indeed, the former are the primary parts.
>>534823729>you have to believe in God to think fucking your mom is wrongAmerican education.
>>534825342>Your world of mini particle gods is as pathetic as they are small.???
>>534823729>fucking your own mom can’t be wrong cause it’s relativeI mean it literally is relative
>If morality is subjective, why do you care about conservative values? You don’t have any reason to care if you’re atheistThe argument would probably just be that they produce more orderly societies, and we do be living in a society, so it's to our benefit to uphold them
>>534825791Is that a Hexeract?>>534825802I also think like you
>>534825802You know when Pythagoras was asked"What is a friend?"He said "Another I"
>>534823729morality is an evolutionary trait, a meme passed down from generation to generation, it distinguishes those who are less evolved from the humans, religious people fall into the evolutionary low end sadly.
>>534826646Yet all people adopt a religion - that is a ritualistic mechanism towards a higher order intelligence in life.That can be someone smoking a pipe (Timothy Leary Harvard - Models of Consciousness"It could be someone engaging with technology religiously.You cannot out-smart or suppress the drive within man towards ritual. It is all a version of seeking the divine.
>>534823729FYI Dawkins now calls himself a "cultural Christian" it's no longer possible for him to be in denial or maintain his former belief system that religion is useless bullshit. Like he's the first person to ever figure out that religions are developed to keep populations in check and give society's meaning. He's the epitome of a midwit who is up his own ass with pseudo intellectualism.
>>534823729>If morality is subjective, why do you care about conservative values?They aren't "conservative" and they aren't "values"We care about public education because we don't want to be surrounded by stupid people.We care about abortion because there are too many unwanted/abused children and it's wrong to put doctors and pregnant women in jail regardless of how immoral and sadistic you areRFKJr is a fucking brain-rot lunatic trying to removed the guardrails from food and drug safety to enrich his conspiracy theory retard friends Giving corporations and billionaires unlimited political power and tax breaks has made them much richer and you much poorerHave you given any thought to why they're called "right-wing conspiracy theories"? That's who they target, that's who falls for them.The climate is getting worse, partially because corporations needed time to rig the game against you. Again.Keeping you terrified and supplied with unregistered guns is the plan for inducing perpetual chaos while they plunder every last resource for profit.Americans came from immigrant ancestors who came to America with a bare minimum of paperwork. The y worked hard and helped make America what it is todayTearing apart families, turning millennials against boomers, maligning women and minorities - that how Russia has been dividing and conquering nations for the past few centuries. Stop falling for it.Trump thinks the military and religious retards are suckers and losers. If you voted for him, he's not wrong about you.
>>534826803well my religion doesn't make me molest little boys, so I can already consider myself superior to you in every single way
>>534823971Pete Hegseth thinks ((( morality ))) comes from Pulp Fiction
>>534823729Even Dawkins contradicted everything in his book in later years.
>>534824098death to christkikes
>>534826935>We care about public educationBut modern efforts in public education have made people dumber and less literate. You don't automatically get to survive robust scrutiny merely from having good intentions.
>>534826897He expressed humility in altering his belief. Like a true scientist.I think to pour on discontent towards this man - because we are dissatisfied is not a compassionate approach.I was guilty of this too - but I think I see the humanity in Dawkins and I do not care to crucify him.
>>534823729All men are created equal? Africans are equal to humans? Religion dropped the ball in that one.
>>534823729subjective? no it isn't, that leftard talk, not the real atheist position in terms or morality, for starter, the atheist need to have understading of law and the evolution of law.By that perspective the current law is clownish, it should be totally objective, where the true is the only thing that matter both in terms of the crime but the justice apply, but no such thing is reflected of leftards. Those faggots are not atheist, just cattle worshiping karl marx.
Why do i need to justify my values to you?
>>534826978Well. I don't know what you think my religion is
>>534826935>We care about public education because we don't want to be surrounded by stupid people.Free government school is the tenth plank to the communist manifesto and an experiment that has failed miserably.
>>534827232I think because we choose to engage with our ideas through others.
>>534827177Ohh I agree with him, but coming to this conclusion late in life is not good enough for me. Many people figure this out when they're teenagers. I don't hold value in deathbed conversions to Christianity and I don't subscribe to the idea that you can commit murder and then repent immediately for salvation.So you're ignoring the fact that he wrote a book called The God Delusion, perhaps one of the most arrogant titles in modern history. It's not just saying I'm skeptical or let's think through this, it's saying you are delusional. This is not scientific humility it's cosmic level hubris.
>>534823729Pretty much without knowledge like everyone. The Morality question is just society shit test. Conservative values are just learnt shit test limits and liberal values are shit test anxiety . It's all learnt suffering, for practical applications. We're really all just maggots feeding off of a corpse.
>>534827203It is subjective. It only exists in the human mind and changes culture to culture. If it was objective, it would exist apart from human interpretation, but it doesn't. The fact that the Bible God encourages Jews to do things that Western countries consider highly immoral.
>>534827266I think that's a failure.Really when you suppress the intellect of your people - you are operating from the frequency of a Tyrant whom fears being overthrown.If you operate on Truth and Beauty - yes Socrates drank the Hemlock - but that, like the image of the good man crucified - was an allegory of the system we find ourselves within.John C Lily called it the Solid State IntelligencePKD called it the Black Iron PrisonMonroe called it The Loosh Farmwell I would like to counter that - in the observation of geometry - The Benevolent Engine begins to make itself known to you life
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>>534827408I personally found most of the discussions around morality to be ambiguously defined semantic arguments. Traditionally morality was defined by its ubiquitousness that excludes it from being relative in principle. Many people are confusing ethics with morality.
>>534827393I think God gave him the capacity to question And that is where the true beauty of intelligence becomes not a dictatorship but a flow we may enter where the Eureka moments of the scientist occur.
>>534824490Like what? Obsession with foreskins and genocide because you're volcano god's chosen?
>>534827636Let's speak rationally about this concept of Judaism. And Islam.It is a relic of brutalism and superstition which has no place in the modern world. Just as the female equivalent is inherently known to be Morally Wrong.
>>534827615That's all fine until he tries to hold himself up as a thought leader. His opinions and thoughts and conclusions are not novel or exceptional, they are absurdly mundane and trite. He is a midwit wearing the skin suit of an intellectual.
>>534823729doing bad things makes you feel bad, and doing good things makes you feel good. Anything about philosophy and gods or whatever is rationalizations of what you feel when you do shit.
>>534826646> morality is an evolutionary trait>DURRR MONKEY LOOK HUMAN THEREFOR GOD NOT REALYou’re an imbecile if you’re trying to appeal to a made up Jewish theory.
>>534827822He didn't. He was placed in a pocket wherein forces converged and he was elevated to the spotlight.He IS a thought leader, wether we agree with him or not. In a framework where the Creator operates the entire lattice of physical and metaphysical concept -He was placed in your life in order for your contemplation and reasoning to atune more deeply to your understand of God.
Why does morality matter over practicality? Not allowing people to kill each other is practical when trying to enforce cooperation which gives you an advantage over disorganized individuals. Meanwhile the Bible says "DON'T KILL!... except for sometimes" Morality is just a layer of woo woo on top of what was practical advice at the time.
>>534823729I’d rather fuck your mom. But if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with.
>>534824703>which isn't a sustainable system to live in.Who says that... real anarchism simply has not been tried yet. ;)
>>534823729I don't need Rabbi Yeshua to know that killing and raping people is bad. I don't need the threat of eternal damnation to prevent me from doing them.
>>534823729morality is objective
The bible doesn't spell out every single moral case so you need reason and extrapolate from the laws that are there which means it's always going to be subjective.
>>534827971If practicality was a concern, we’d have genocided lesser whites like you through eugenics. But because you are white your life has more inherit value than a brown. Practicality over morality is not an excuse.
>>534827969Again you're ignoring that he was an active and willing participant. It wasn't by pure coincidence or happenstance that he wrote a book called "The God Delusion".Even if what you say was granted for sake of argument, in true humility he would stand before the world and tell them that he was mistaken, that his ideas are not valuable and should be disregarded, and admit that he doesn't have the answers plainly and simply and then retired to private life. That's what real humility would look like.
>>534827971Do no harmis the cornerstone of the Hippocratic oath.I do not think you would criticise the moral framework of doctors - who are in tendency above the many in a privileged position.The reason you criticise the archaic template of the Old Testament is because you think it contains fleeting concepts - rather than a primitive law in regards to our current development - to abide by certain sets of moral characteristics The Hippocratic Oath is urged to be made by Doctors - some of the higher beings of lifeTherefore a Template of Morality for the public through religion - is no different.
>>534828203I know. I said explicitly he was utilised by God to reaffirm faith.
>>534823729Anon, if you want to fuck your mom and it's consensual then go ahead. Is this supposed to be your argument?
>>534828342The argument might be thatThe Word is a frequencyand your words are the Counter Slosh which impedes the frequency because you do not feel the weighting of what you are saying or doing
>>534828245I used to take "do no harm" very seriously, like you, but I have recently been informed that doctors no longer take the Hippocratic oath in any meaningful form. While we all like the idea of it, I think it would be absurd if we didn't admit that it's basically a token gesture at best in the modern world and almost nobody working as a doctor even adheres to it or cares about it. It's an old multiple that has not survived modern times - but that doesn't stop them from using it as a shield for scrutiny.
>>534828618>old principle* that has not survived modern times>>534828336Fair enough.
>>534828342Do you think something being consensual makes it right? If two gay men consented to having sex, does that make it okay in your own worldview? If my mom and me wanted to have sex, it would be immoral. It goes against right wing values and the Bible condemns acts such as incest and homosexuality.
>>534828618>I used to take "consent of the governed" very seriously, like you, but I have recently been informed that government employees no longer take the oath to uphold and defend the constitution in any meaningful form.>While we all like the idea of it, I think it would be absurd if we didn't admit that it's basically a token gesture at best in the modern world and almost nobody working as a government employee even adheres to it or cares about it. It's an old multiple that has not survived modern times - but that doesn't stop them from using it as a shield for scrutiny.
>>534828618That is true they do not.In the Hippocratic oath Surgery and Abortions were forbidden practices to be undertaken by doctors.I think your suggestion that doctors are without moral commitment is pertinent and true of a system which no longer practices "The Art of Medicine"Hippocrates for example - as is still held in the East - Food is our primary medicine for it is a prophylaxis - a concept absent from standard medical care in the west.
>>534828777Yes. I also agree with that and I believe that to be plainly obvious for any genuinely thinking man.
>>534823729Dawkins wrote:>We should be nicer than is good for our selfish genesBy "we", he means humanity in general, i.e. we should only expect this behavior from humans. You can't have a moral debate with lions. So this "subjective morality" is unintelligible. Human morality is subjective because it's anthropocentric (not opposed ethnic or racial bias). >"murder is wrong" and "murder is okay"Law of non-contradiction is violated. "Murder" is a human concept. Other animals kill. When humans kill it may or not be murder. In war, killing is not murder. Killing a non-human is never murder (even killing a fetus that will develop into a human is not considered murder in some extreme cases, like with radical western liberal democracy). People have felt empathy and resentment for all time, but it was respectively Homer and Nietzsche that turned these feelings into communicable ideas. That's why the problem is really language, particular words. "Subjective morality" (whether anthropocentric or ethnic particularism) tends to special pleading, which amounts to a rejection of morality by the special pleader. That's why jews, with their "dual-ethics" (one rule for us, one rule for the goyim), are the "best" lawyers. Non-jews don't tend to special plead from the outset, we tend to backslide first. The special pleader says: this would be wrong for others, but it's not wrong for me. We say: yea, this is wrong, but I'm going to do it anyways. Then later we twist ourselves into pretzels, become hypocrites, ignoring our previous, correct, idea. Pay attention to your inner experience the next time you are about to shoot a deer. If you want to convince me that human morality varies from time and place, you have to show me a time and place without both acts of cruelty and kindness, which you can't do. On the other hand, if you want to know with a high degree of confidence whether a person is good or bad, watch how they treat animals (or strangers) when no one is looking.
morality is innatei don't fuck my mother because i don't want to fuck my motheryou don't fuck your mother because you're terrified of going to a jewish cave under the ground and being poked with a pronged stick by a goatmanthe difference between avrahamic cucks and sane people is that sane people don't need a celestial prison warder to stop them from raping and killing through a sustained campaign of fear
>>534829055This is very true of inherent moralityHowever in the truth of every day lifeWe do sway from our personal ideal - do we not?
>>534823729Base morality is logical. You don't see an ape randomly start killing members of its group. You don't fuck things in the ass because it spreads disease. You wish death on christkikes because they're annoying. Simple things like that.
>>534828850A "do no harm" ethos could not justify the use of common treatments like chemotherapy, where it's understood that you will get more sick and attempt to make you better in the long run. Even though it almost never works, the reason people accept it is because it gives them hope. That mechanism of causing harm in order to provide hope is exactly what they are trying to avoid. Never take a step backward even if it (theoretically) enables two steps forward, use only things that move forward. It was to prevent medicine from becoming barbarism.
>>534827917I feel good raping your mom
>>534829055You like I - have feeling of remorse, shame and guilt because we do indeed no matter how lofty our philosophies -We do deviate from our ideal. It's so easy to fall into a state where we think we do not. It's a failure of self-reflection which creates a greater impedance between our fellow man.
>>534823729you are enraged and confused
>>534828979Dawkins was in the epstein files.
>>534829055surely the reason you don't fuck her isn't your morality though—it's because you're not attracted to herthis is innate though; it's genetic in origin, but it has nothing to do with innate morality
>>534823729Morality cannot exist in an atheist world view, because it is completely subjective for each individual. Nothing else is logically consistent.
>>534829187I really get where you are coming from.When I was studying the system of the body - the microbiome I discovered that - the microbiome is fed by particular groupswhen I went to check a scholarly article on this exact research - it was at a cost of hundreds of dollars which alienates the "amateur" (to love)So I will share the basics of that book with you nowwhich you can exploreIf you look into this you will note - the primary engine of the body is fuelled by the following - for these substances feed the bacteria who are the basis of human health - 1. Carotenoids (The Pigment Group): * Lycopene: (Watermelon/Tomato) — DNA repair and sun protection. * Beta-Carotene: (Carrots/Sweet Potato) — Cell turnover and "The Glow." * Lutein/Zeaxanthin: (Spinach/Kale) — Eye health and "Visual Clarity."2. Polyphenols (The Defense Group): * Flavonoids: (Berries/Green Tea) — Anti-inflammatory "Relief Cream" for the cells. * Anthocyanins: (Raspberries/Strawberries) — The "Deep Red/Purple" antioxidants that protect the blood vessels.3. Lignans (The Structural Group): * Lignans: (Found heavily in your Hemp Seeds and Flax) — These are fiber-associated polyphenols that help balance hormones
>>534829271should i make a mistake, i accept it, i loathe myself, i feel ashamed, and i learn and change should a christfag make a mistake, they confess to a dress-wearing paedo in a box or spend 30 seconds on their knees with their hands clasped and consider the matter donethis is why avrahamic religions appeal so much to convicts and future convicts, people with no scruples, repeat offendersit is narcissism of the highest order for people who roleplay at having morals but actually have a form of moral aspergers that leaves them without any natural perception of right, wrong or fair
>>534829055And what if your mother is hot? Would you still feel that way? “Because I don’t want to” has a lot of variables. A major one being western society was formed by Christianity and as a result you don’t feel compelled to act on bad impulses.
>i don't know right from wrong naturally>i need a jewish religion that contradicts itself hundreds of times to tell meAlso your magical sky man book endorses stoning gays to death (why did God create them?), slavery, genocide etc.
>>534829757God gave man free will. It is man’s choice to become gay.
>>534823729>moralityDoesnt exist. You're talking morality while fapping to guro
>>534829622my mother is an attractive womani don't want to fuck her, because she's my motherthis is a feeling as natural as not wanting to walk in to a bog of quicksandas natural as a white preferring the company of whites over being in a roomful of brown strangersif you don't have that feeling and need it explained to you then you are presumably on the autistic spectrumthere is no "what if they are hot though"what if the quicksand feels nice, though?
>>534829819>you have free will>now do what i say or i'll torture you for eternity>jk i've come to save you from my torture>now accept that i've saved you and worship me for it or i'll torture you for eternity
>>534829603Oh well this caused me to feel sad -It made me feel as if you perhaps have a view of perhaps Jesuit Scholars through a lens whereby they are sinister in nature?I can speak from my heart and say, it is my belief these individuals - were conduits of The Word.
>>534823729>why do you care about conservative values?What are "conservative" values exactly?
>>534829848The feeling is natural because you live in a western society cultivated by Christian values. You are your environment. If you had lived in an atheistic environment in which morality is constantly pushed as subjective, you would not have the same inhibitions. It is because of your environment and conditioning by Christianity you don’t have the impulse.
>>534823729>You don’t have any reason to care if you’re atheistSure I do>By your own logic, fucking your own mom can’t be wrong cause it’s relative. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is. Atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods. It has no stance on morality.And yes, I believe fucking my mom is wrong
>>534829848Your argument depends on assuming that your emotional reaction is universal and self-validating. But views on family, sex, race, social trust, and morality vary across people, cultures, and religions. Even if many people share an instinct, that does not prove the instinct is morally correct or logically equivalent to other instincts. “This feels obvious to me” is not an argument; it is just reporting your own reaction and then treating disagreement as evidence that the other person is defective.
>>534827478No, is not. Even if created from the human mind doesn't change the fact that reality is objective, so any social rules should follow suit.Nature have rules, humans are part of nature, so humans should follow rules too.Do a flip, kike-leftard. Imbecile, you are the clown in the problem.
>>534829819>God gave man free will.If you believe God created you, knows everything about you, including all decisions you'll make, how do you have free will?OrWhy did God create homosexuality in the first place?
I accidentally touched a bit of eastern philosophy / mysticism recently and it was the most enriching event in my life. None of it was supernatural magic but they had a lot of shit figured out to a level any christian can't even comprehend. Christianity is a religion for absolute children and the contemporaries from the time it was established also saw it this way. I mean they never moved past the obvious stuff like stealing is wrong because someone could steal from you and they show it to this day.
>>534829928I agree - that is one batshit crazy premise isn't it?Giving you life only to say that if you don't follow the word you will be cast into eternal torment.It's bad isn't it?However I think Jesus taught us that the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell are withinand despite the horror of the World - God does not and in fact encourages - retreat from the world of such horror - into the sanctuary of divinitywhether that be through mathematics - music - any field in any direction which brings you Joy - is tapping into the frequency Dostoyevsky beautifully said"To love someone, is to see them as God does"
>>534823729>the morality questionThe people talking about morality are the ones causing mass death every day.
>>534826215Kaarlo!
>>534829990Is circumcision objectively wrong?
>>534830181I want to sayAnything you see outside our your life - through projections of media - are not true.What is true is the beauty you cultivate in your life.In the East it is a fundamental knowledge that your immediate environment shapes the man that you are.
>>534830344Of course it is.Just as we inherently know it is wrong to do this to a female - there is a schism of logic whereby the male equivalent is justified by peculiar illogical premises
>>534830344It's not just wrong in a floating philosophical It's objectively evil
>>534830494>Of course it is.Which means it was wrong when the God of the bible commanded it as well.
>>534830607Then it was objectively evil when the God of the bible commanded it.
>>534830614Of course without a doubt.To cause suffering in this way to a child is evil.
>>534825626>morality is subjectiveAlready lost and contradicted the initial speaker. SAD. many such cases. Is it subjective or are you making an objective claim?
>>534830726I'm glad we agree
>>534830659I agree with you it was objectively evil
>>534830752Demonstrate an objective moral
>>534830783Of course we agreeIt's an objective truth.
>>534830091>"To love someone, is to see them as God does"A homosexual God created having rocks thrown at them until they die is a weird way of showing love. If only you had the brain capacity to realise how stupid you are. Also, take your meme flag off.
>>534829990>The feeling is natural because you live in a western society cultivated by Christian values. You are your environment. If you had lived in an atheistic environment in which morality is constantly pushed as subjective, you would not have the same inhibitions. It is because of your environment and conditioning by Christianity you don’t have the impulse.this might wash with people who live in a jewish-from-birth country celebrating it's 250th year of infancy where every non-christian was effectively wiped out or put in a small encampment and provided with a casino, but it doesn't quite work as well for meyour country as you know it was founded by the most avid christians in europe, who kicked it off by committing one of the largest genocides in history while wielding your supposed book of moralitybritain has a much longer history and has had many peoples, all of whom had courts, justice, scruples, rulesthe best of my ancestors will have died after refusing to convert to this strange middle eastern culture, to reverence of a jew. only the cucked or the smart survived the great rape of europe by your false morality police, so please don't pretend they are or were anything other than braindead tools of judaismi have the same innate morality as the men who built stonehenge before judaism even existed, or do you think they just ran around fucking their mothers non-stop inbetween lugging giant rocks for hundreds of miles? i suppose i should worship the sun? btw the bible teaches me that, while sodomy is bad, if you hide in a cave with your young virgin daughters afterwards a la lot, it's ok for them to fuck you and get pregnant on your dick, and god offers no punishment. incest approvedif all of your ancestors came from two people in a garden who just kept fucking each other and their kids then i can see how that would surely give you a great morality re: incest
>>534823729>has its roots inHammurabi fixt
>>534830950I really cannot interpret the signal to noise ratio on this post - it seems like you are presenting me with noise over signal.Can you clarify?
>>534823729>Having standards is only valuable if there's a divine cop threatening to shoot you Congratulations you have the moral development of a 12 year old black guy.
>>534830946I wouldn't say objective because some adults consent to get circumcised for various reasons. Some medical
>>534831036I really cannot interpret the signal to noise ratio on this post - it seems like you are presenting me with noise over signal.Can you clarify?I asked God, but no answer.
>>534831070That's a scaling factor of increased will of the individual Our objective truth rests in the Act of Care
>>534823729So what you are basically saying is that without fear of what god would do to you, you would be fucking your mum right now, fucking grim Chris Chan mother fucker after that barbussy...Animals don't have religion yet they mostly live together and don't kill eachother, most murderers in the world are religious, some even killing in the name of religion.Has the thought that we simply want a nice chill life not crossed your mind? I don't want to murder people, or rape people or basically cause anyone to have a shit life due to wanting their stuff.The people that wrote the religious books that you follow didn't have the religions that you talk about, they made it all up because they wanted a chill life too, they wanted dumb people to stop doing all of the stuff that made life miserable, you're a descendant of those dumb people, someone that needs a fear deterrent to be a 'good person's so that you can ironically fulfil your greed of life and get an eternal one with everything that would make you actually happy, you seem to think that you will get all of your 'sinful' wants in an eternal afterlife if you're not a cunt to people.You're the worst people that couldn't be a basic human beings and needed to be forced to leave everyone else alone.Your religious moral values are just what normal people who aren't religious feel naturally, you're a broken human.Also, I'm agnostic not atheist, I think something created this universe, I just don't think it's anything centred around humans at all, we're a byproduct of the initial act, just like every other living being that will be out in the cosmos
>>534831270>Act of CareWhat is that exactly?
>>534831092Well I imagine God would tell you that you are loved - that's the pure signal of life
>>534831362Well when a person goes to university they do so in a state of In loco parentis (in place of the parent)So if we look at the fact a University Student must be put under the Oath of Carethen consider the amplification towards an infant.
>>534831389>Well I imagine God would tell you that you are loved - that's the pure signal of lifeExcept if he made you Gay? Why would he do that?
>mfw all new atheist leaders turned out to be chuds (Hitchens defending the invasion of Iraq till his dying breath), dumbasses (everything that Harris has said for the last decade or two) or went senile (Dawkins getting one shoted by fucking Claude dick riding him)
>>534831489I see, you're referring to Hippocratic Oath, to prioritize patient welfare, uphold confidentiality, and "do no harm"I agree that doing this to an infant or someone without consent is wrong.I struggle to say objectively because there are those who are glad they got circumcised as an infant.
>>534831538If God made me Gay I might imagine that the divine acts through me in a type of balance where I am not biochemically purely male - and therefore sway into a realm where neither male nor female fully defines me.I might find a greater understanding of the opposite sex. Through a liminal lease.
>>534831694Then you are applying morality retrospectively rather than the duty of the parents at the given hour.
>>534831816>I might find a greater understanding of the opposite sex. Through a liminal lease.No. You'll find rocks being thrown at your body and head until you die. Why would God create you like this and then command others he created to throw rocks at you until you die?
>>534823982>not thinking that God knows bestlol
>>534823729I don't need the threat of punishment to avoid raping and murdering people. If you do, I think you're the one who really lacks morals.
>>534831870>rather than the duty of the parents at the given hour.But the parent do decide its best for their child, based on the child's well being. That's for male circumcision.I genuinely don't know of any positives for female circumcision
>>534831897Well I should hope not.Some of the most profound figures in history were gay.If you wish to discuss the crude topic of sodomy - yes it's not good for the body. Nor are the male and female acts of Sodomy - Michael Douglas stated his throat cancer was because of a sodomy we have forgotten.Who am I to judge? I am no one to judge.
>>534823729Why would you chase away atheists that hold conservative values? Conservatives need all the help they can get to restore and protect the west, why make enemies because of personal beliefs?>>534824098Incest creates observable issues and belief in God doesn’t stop it from occurring.
>>534832053The only reason those parents are doing that is becauseonly 5% of people enact new paradigms of behaviour.If people do what they have always done - it's easy to judge them from our perspective but we must understand - the majority of people tend to rituals they do not understand.I agree with you about the family being separate from governess and I agreeHowever with the logic of the 5% rule - we need to ask - why is this ritual continuing?
>>534832053The risks of unnecessary surgery (in this case circumcision in cases with no phimosis present), even if relatively rare, are so more significant(everything from the usual risk of any surgical procedure which include accidenta that might mutilate the genitals to different degrees, to infection to literal death) than whatever hygiene benefits that in a logical world circumcision would be considered a violation of the Hippocratic oath and an idiotic thing to do to your child as a parent. It's like playing a lottery for your child with the good prize being incredibly minor and the bad prizes including them dying
>>534832053Why not perform male circumcision when phimosis actually happens and ends up untreatable (requiring an amputation)?To do so to a healthy newborn makes no sense.One doesn't remove appendices or tonsils at birth either because the appendix is vestigial or tonsoliths happen.
>>534832307>Why would you chase away atheists that hold conservative values? Conservatives need all the help they can get to restore and protect the west, why make enemies because of personal beliefs?This is the right wing equivalent of "the left eating/purging their own".
>>5348324215% do it for new age, non ritual/religious reasons while the remaining does it for the ritual/religious reason.Both groups are doing what they think is right. But as this anon explained >>534832447It's wrong regardless of the reason simply due to the potential harm it can cause. But that still leaves the medical necessity for it in certain circumstances for adults, such as phimosis (inability to retract), balanitis (inflammation/infection), and lichen sclerosus.And the only non ritual/religious reasons to circumcise a baby boy is due to potential health risks that can be avoided if the child is taught to clean themselves regularly and properly >>534832800I agree with you
>>534832307>>534832871look at the US, you have BLACK conservatives. what are you even conserving at that point? letting niggers into your midst. get the fuck out of there. and dont get me started on the italians and the irish. theyre niggers too. not all races are equal.
>>534823729I became religious when I realized the elites are all occultistshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/KkyxSMuIOCs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pBYk3gCFm8
>>534832968You are misconstruing the logic of the 5%95% of people repeat ritualsOnly the 5% can change a religion at it's fundamentals We have identified an objective Wrong in the act.That is - the harming of the frequency closest to God - children.This isn't about going through our catalog of responses anon - it's about being part of the 5% who changes the nature of reality.That means you.
man this isn't a road you want to go down i'm telling y ou
>>534832984They’re against LGBT and believe strong families create high trust communities. They believe in self sufficiency would contribute more than demand and expect assistance just for existing. You think you could actually uproot millions of Blacks, Irish, and Italian citizens? There’s already minorities in our midst, how is making the conservatives in these groups the enemy going to help you?>>534832871True but I doubt right-wing atheists would embrace the insanity of the left-wing. They’d just stay quiet until the believers start imposing their holy book in classrooms or courthouses.
>>534825693The State is the only entity stopping mass civilian on civilian violence.
>>534833232>it's about being part of the 5% who changes the nature of reality.Sure, teach your sons how to clean themselves properly, don't sleep around and get STDs etc. Thus ending the cycle
>>534823971Doesnt his pastor want to ban Catholic parades?
>>534833421>True but I doubt right-wing atheists would embrace the insanity of the left-wing. They’d just stay quiet until the believers start imposing their holy book in classrooms or courthouses.I don't think so.They join or support advocacy groups for causes they support.Politics isn't just about voting blue or red.
>>534823729Christianity is only good if it is imbued with hyperborean values and mythos.
>>534833786>They join or support advocacy groups for causes they support.>Politics isn't just about voting blue or red.Exactly this.
>>534833730These factors are driftwe must look at the fundementalDo I want to cause my child to experience pain?That is the only question which necessitates the truth of what we are discussing outside of the cultural bumpers instilled in us
>>534823887I can see the state's having a divorce. Then a very ironic brain drain would flood into the Christian nation. I know most of you don't go to church, but mine is full of professionals. Most hardcore atheists I know work service industry jobs.
>>534823729>If morality is subjective, why do you care about conservative values? You don’t have any reason to care if you’re atheist. By your own logic, fucking your own mom can’t be wrong cause it’s relative.Kant's categorical imperative
>>534833421youre not conserving white culture anymore. you sound like a nigger lover. the exact kind who tried to get their black "brothers" civil rights. back in the day you wouldve been hung, or at the very least beaten till youre back to your senses.
>>534832129>Who am I to judge? I am no one to judge.Why did God create people that judge other people if you are no one to judge? And why did he create sodomy?
>>534834085Do you think the creator of the Cosmos created sodomy when it is known to create disease? In not just gays but Michael Douglas gave us an anchor that - this act creates disturbance within the bodyI don't think it's a matter of God on a cloud smiting us for itit's rather a matter of understand the nature of things
>>534833865>Do I want to cause my child to experience pain?The simple answer is of course not. But what's more important is the intent. If my child happens to break a bone and it doesn't heal properly, then you have to break the bone again (causing pain) to put it in a cast so it will heal right.
>>534823729>natural laws can't exist without godare you fuckign stupid?
>>534834293>Do you think the creator of the Cosmos created sodomy when it is known to create disease?Let me rephrase what you just wrote.Do you think the creator of LITERALLY EVERYTHING created something that exists?
>>534834306Of coursebut you are presenting me with arguments you already know are solvedwhat we are discussing is a custom which is prevalent which causes the 95% to enter into hyponosis where they are following the leader of moralityIs that the type of moral leader you wish to be - to justify what you have objectively proven to be harmful to your offspring?
>>534823729mutual aid is a factor of evolutionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQE
>>534823729>Atheists can’t answer the morality question. If morality is subjective, why do you care about conservative values? You don’t have any reason to care if you’re atheist. By your own logic, fucking your own mom can’t be wrong cause it’s relative. The whole basis of conservative values has its roots in Christianity.I hope this is baitbecause if it's not you are retardedDefine "conservative values"Describe "our own logic"
>>534824098>>dude fucking your mom isnt wrong.. its opinion man!!What would jesus do?
>>534828739The same book that condemns homosexuality (Leviticus) also forbids eating pork, eating shellfish, and wearing clothes made of two different fabrics
>>534834410I 100% get where you are coming from and in this context text I am on board with you.>Is that the type of moral leader you wish to be - to justify what you have objectively proven to be harmful to your offspring?Absolutely notThanks for a good discussion anon.
>>534834571Absolute kek
>>534834577It was a pleasure speaking with you.All my love to you.
>>534823729>muh transcendental argumentChristians had to add the holy ghost to their religion to incorporate the innate moral inclinations of human beings, because the old testament was just about sandnigger gypsies scamming people.
>>534834395Alright give me a minuteThe creator of absolutely everythingand their perception is not faltering due to the uncertainty principlesAnd this creator of LITERALLY EVERYTHINGcomes up to me and saysLISTEN UP PUNKI HAVE GIVEN YOU GEOMETRY TO ABIDE BY AS SELF-EVIDENT BEFORE ANY RELIGIONand what was it you were asking?
>>534833896Does Kants categorical imperative state that homosexuality is wrong because it would lead to a population collapse?
>looks at the universe, sees no God>looks at some pajeet written LLM, sees a consciousness Atheists are a complete embarrassment.
>>534834395Do talking planets exist? Or Indians that can fly and street shit from above like a pidgin? He didn't create everything possible, so why would he create things to make his children suffer and die from? And no it's not a test, that's silly, and a simple copout, why wouldn't he just not create that? Why would he create everything and then tell a bunch of desert people to talk about it, why didn't he just create vlogging and video recording back then so people could just watch the videos.
>>534823729>Atheiststhey're just getting hung up on the semantics, even dumber then the "king of kings" translation breakdown that has lead to 2,000 years of stupid arguing over what which throat wiggle mouth grunt means what when pertaining to during time of who saying what! Now argue over semantics...then look up the word and realiize you're not even using it correctly. >"going eye for a eye with spiders leaves the whole world blind."
>>534833876Lmaoare any of them white?
>>534835480What are you actually laughing aboutplease tell me.
>>534823729There is no such thing as an "atheist" these creatures do not exist. "atheists" are just very confused & delusional pagans.
>>534835480I'm not laughing.So why are you laughing Mossad?
>>534823729>Atheists can’t answer the morality question.Yes we can, you're a liar> If morality is subjective, why do you care about conservative values? Because it affects my quality of life so it's in my interest to care.
>>534835701As long as there is theism then there will be atheism
>>534829988being able to fuck kids
>>534835480Let me tell you somethingall of these silly little games on the forum and the "internet" you are playing I am not Viking with it.So - you have some optionsYou stopYou don't stopWhich are you going to choose?
>>534835731Once again, "atheists" do not exist, they are simply very confused, self-deluded pagans.Essentially, an "atheist" is at the bottom of the pagan barrel, only useful as anti-Christian cannon fodder. They are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot useful idiots.
>>534833652no you retard, is not. One can say now the State (aka jews) foster civilian on civilian violence to control them better.
>>534835889>Once again, "atheists" do not existMy lack of belief in God or gods disagrees Everyone is born an atheist. It's the default position
>>534835725Then it's in your best interest to live in a Christian society since in a pagan society you will be enslaved & cucked.After all, pagan "atheists" have no morality.
>>534835972This is why you are a very confused & self-deluded pagan, you don't even know which master(s) you serve.You are simply cannon fodder on the "jewish" frontlines against Christ.
>>534835997What's the square root of 5184?
>>534836058>This is why you are a very confusedNah, I'm good.
>>534823729Theists have no probably way of knowing what a god would want so basing values on them is little more than guessing. The relativity thing is always a strawman since it ignores the epistemology and experiential basis which any theistic argument has to ducktape itself with massive assumptions about the morality of a being who likely exists outside of our conceivability (maybe this being doesnt, this too is unknowable and beyond experience).
>>534823887Good, look how communist all the state enforced religious countries are. We don't need the state meddling with the church.
>>534836058You're confused. Clearly.
>>534824381All of the worst humans/actions ever taken in the world was done so under the name of paganism/"Atheism" The sooner we get rid of these corrupt mind viruses, the better.The only Good ever done in this world was done under the name & guidance of Yahweh.
>>534823729>By your own logic, fucking your own mom can’t be wrong cause it’s relative
>>534836292>hyperbolic nonsense You need to be 18 to post here
Christians aren't even moral. The only reason they act good is because they're afraid of hell. At least atheists actually strive to act morally in their day to day lives purely due to the principle of being moral.
>>534823887Ok well let’s at least take a minute to reflect on how fucked up things have become since the west decided on secularizationSecularism is nihilism and leads to death, figuratively and literally (pic-related)
>>534836251>deaf & blind man tells a healed man that he's confusedLike clockwork, try not to fall to self-destruction as quickly as the rest of the cannon fodder.>>534836356kvetch more, rabbi shlomo, same goes to you, try not to fall to self-destruction as quickly as the rest of the cannon fodder.Until God has mercy on you, you will perish in Hellfire.
>>534823729>If morality is subjectiveAtheists believe it?
>>534836430>more nonsensical drivel from the peanut gallery.When all non-Christian influence is purged from this world, it will truly be a blessed day.It's annoying having to share this world with slaves of Satan.
Jews want separation of church and state, not separation of synagogue and stat, or else Zionism wouldn’t be state policy
>>534823729>You don’t have any reason to care if you’re atheist.Goes the other way too. This whole thing was a central talking point in (late) modern philosophy and that was like 100+ years ago my man, get with the times.
>>534836457Yet all I did was repeat your words back to you.
>>534835701>>534836542imagine worshipping a jewish rabbi nailed to a stick....
>>534835997I do advocate for Christian morality as an alternative to wokeism, but I don't think European paganism would be that bad.
>>534831897DUDE I STATED IN ALL FORMS OF THE TORAH BIBLE AND QURAN THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND CHANGE MY WORDS AND HEY I NEVER SAID TO KILL ANYONE NOW YOU KNOW HOW BAD THINGS REALLY ARE WHEN I SAY BEING GAY IS BAD FOR A CIVILIZATION, BUT ITS OKAY LIKE YOU SHOULDNT DIE ITS NOT A SIN LIARS SAY ITS A SIN I TOLD YOU THERE ARE ONLY 7 SINS BEING GAY IS NOT ONE OF THEM BUT BEING ENVIOUS OF GAY PEOPLE IS THE SIN AND THE FAKE FOLLOWERS USE THAT TO KILL COMMITING ANOTHER SIN ON TOP OF THE PREVIOUS ONE...ANYTHING THAT LEADS TO YOU YES YOU KILLING SOMEONE IS A SIN.DOES THAT NOW MAKE SENSE TO A BUNCH OF RETARDOS ATHENA - YHVH
>>534836457>jewish catch phrases Makes sense since Rabbi Jesus was a circumcised jew
>>534836430>afraid of hellI'd almost rather end up there, I don't particularly *want* to live forever, and there are theories that hell is suffering that leads to oblivion, which sounds ok to me, eternal life sounds like a really, really long time, but I suppose being in the Lord's presence it won't be the suffering that is this mortal life so it should be alright if I am saved. What I'm trying to say is that I try to be good because the Lord died on the cross bearing the weight of all our sins, past, present and future, and I don't want him to suffer more on my account, I've made him suffer enough already... >At least atheists actually strive to act morally in their day to day lives purely due to the principle of being moral.Yeah, but they fall for false morality, i.e. doing what is "percieved" as good as opposed to "good" most atheist morality is "does this bring me pleasure, or benefit me? if yes, it must be good" which is a trap the enemy sets with great relish. Also, they're encouraged to just appear moral, as opposed to actually living it; so if they think they can get away with it/convince others that it's moral, they will.
>>534836948>doing what is "percieved" as good as opposed to "good"We all do this and sometimes whatever we perceive as good, is good.
>>534836851Do you wish to go fully against the bible?Well what you would need to do is - re-ignite the Kami of your environmentdo you know what I mean?
>>534831943>create entire universe to test your own creations>because you don't know what they will do>because you are not all knowing>not godDumb cunts still don't have a real answer to Epicurus>muh free willHe would know the outcome of your life and choices before your creation, free will cannot exist for the creations of an omniscient/omnipotent god.
>>534837137>do you know what I mean?The concept of moving from a mindset of indifference or exploitation of nature to one of appreciation and respect?
>>534837318Absolutely.Also thoughwhenever you look up at a statue on a building and you wonder why these modes have past - it was because the Kami once inhabited these places and were worshipped through art Once these figures are ignored - the spells disaster for the anchor is disturbed
>>534836948Define what you think "good" means
>>534823729 Evolution is the arbiter of what is right.Living in a high trust society is it's own reward.All social animals have a sense of what is good for the group versus what is good for the individual. Look at a naughty dog.religions are an expression of god's will, Evolution is divine logic in that sense. Religions have differences and they also are competing . The most competitive system will win. Forgiving Reciprocal Altruism. Also imagine if God is real and two people are judged when they die. One religious man who did what is right because he expected reward or punishment. The other did what is right expecting no reward or judgment.Obviously the atheist is the better man.
>>534832307Atheist secularism is what caused LGBT and degeneracy to occur. Any time a society is atheist it turns communist or gay. Look at the USSR. It all fundamentally undermines western values. Incest creating the issues is god punishing them.>>534834571This is such a dishonest misunderstanding of the holy trinity. Jesus did not knock up his mother you degenerate coombrained atheist.
>>534823729Morals are conventionally negotiated until a consensus emerges in a given community.Different people have different preferences owing to genetic predisposition and environmental factors during upbringing. Psychopaths make up a minority of the population, so most people agree that killing isn't such a good idea, if anything out of self-defense since most people don't wanna get killed. Incest is not inherently immoral and Revolutionary France abolished the prohibition on incest. So, yes, if you wanna fuck your own mother and she consents, I see no issue with it. Go for it.
>>534829990Ah, yes. Animals of every kind know not to bang their immediate related family members because they are brought up with religious values.
>>534836292>All of the worst humans/actions ever taken in the world was done so under the name of paganism/"Atheism"all 3 cultures - capitalism, communism and national socialism are children of christianity. Even the modern atheism that permiates those 3 cultures is nothing but a product of christianity.
>>534838084>Jesus did not knock up his mother you degenerate coombrained atheistIs he not God? Did God not impregnate Mary?
>>534836292>All of the worst humans/actions ever taken in the world was done so under the name of paganism/"Atheism"doubt, all of the worst shit I've ever seen was either completely unrelated to religious beliefs or directly linked to the abrahamics
>>534838234Humanity has more free will than squirrels you dumb fuck. It’s different.
>>534825023Humans who believe killing was good never survived very long. Humans who believed killing was wrong survived many generationsThis is how evolution promotes altruism, and why some morality is *universal*.The rest of morality is subjective. "Morality" constitutes a set of "actions which are thought to bring about proper and good outcomes." hence, it is entirely subjective. Furthermore, if you really want to deconstruct this, "morality" is simply a linguistic placeholder, and its meaning is quite fluid, and is usually interpreted through whatever context the actions occurred in. That tells you that everything is on a case by case basis. This is why religion is problematic. While I think encouraging people to pray and meditate are excellent things, the sectarian quality of almost every religion leads to phrase and modes of behaviour which are inherently anti-social, and hence, corrosive to the health of overall society. Due to individuals being bound up in these linguistic constructs (religions) which obfuscate and pervert the human need and benefit of the esoteric elements of our mind, and religion as a practice or craft, generally lends to the mind being trapped in various unresolvable conundrums (god is simultaneously omniscient but apparently not capricious when he serves "justice" on someone for their "choices" he knew in advance they would make, by torturing them in hell forever) which must be somehow adhered to in order to maintain the dogma.
>>534838480Ah, so instead of animals knowing not to bang their siblings because of religion, it's simply different. No particular reason, information, basis or theory, just different. I wish you good health.
>>534823729conservative values are things literally everybody already figured out prior to christianityspreading the other cheek, never resisting tyrants and always paying your taxes is more aligned with atheism than conservatism
>>534823887What the fuck do you think Wokeism is? It's a church with priests (the academia, journalists, and Jewish elites), holy texts (publications by the aforementioned), and rituals (just look at any Woke holiday or Woke events). Wokeism itself is a denomination of a religion I'd like to call Global Americanism, Feminism, Trans Genderism, BLM, and other similar groups are also denominations or religious orders of the GA religion. The European Union is a continent-wide church association of Global Americanism, the (post-1991) United Nations and the WTO are all GA organisations and organs. Global Americanism itself is an outgrowth of Jewish Liberalism synthesised with Jewish Socialism and French Revolutionary Thought. Most of it is actually alien to the original founding vision of the USA, but early 20th century immigrant stock from Poland have largely changed the direction of American culture. It also directly evolved from Weimarism, as Weimarism evolved into the Frankfurt School which influenced the West German government, the Ivy League, and the CIA. This is a religion and it has missionaries, people simply don't identify it as a religion because, as a memeplex, it evolved to avoid all the scrutiny "open" religions receive.
>>534839582Atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods
>>534835107yes
>>534839721so then christians are literal atheists, since they do not believe in the possibility of other, non-jewish gods.that explains why their positions are so similar to atheists. get their dogma from a 2000 year old obsolete book rather than from reality and observing the natural world.
>>534826897One can simultaneously believe that "cultural Christianity" or the cultural influences of Christianity on the West being good while also believing that Christianity itself is a delusion. If a schizophrenic man hears voices in his head telling him to save a drowning girl then his delusions did something good for the world, but you can still acknowledge that his delusions in itself are detrimental.
believers somehow justify circumcisionso it's apparently moral to cut into and amputate the most sensitive tissue of a newborn baby. Oh and they believe this morality is "absolute" and from godinb4 denialif circumcision is so bad (which any sound mind will tell you it is and would be mortified if they saw the procedure and the screams of the baby) then why didn't Jesus (which you also believe is god LOL) himself outlaw it? Why do we have to use some nobody (paul)'s interpretation that it doesn't matter for getting into heaven?
>>534839945what happens when both things are negative though?
>>534839912>so then christians are literal atheists, since they do not believe in the possibility of other, non-jewish gods.The Romans thought as much
