>>534853056
>Why do Leftists Oppose the War on Drugs?
Because they do deh drugs saar

>>534853056
if you're gonna ban drugs then you have to provide a substitute. you need to give the people gambling and prostitution. conservatives are really bad at understanding the bread and circuses dynamic, they don't seem to realize that not everyone can afford to play golf or go boating.

>>534853268
>if you're gonna ban drugs then you have to provide a substitute. you need to give the people gambling and prostitution. conservatives are really bad at understanding the bread and circuses dynamic, they don't seem to realize that not everyone can afford to play golf or go boating.

You have alcohol, you have cigarettes, vaping, energy drinks, junk food,

And those are just vices, I'd rather you read, exercise, work late, self improve, etc.

>>534853056
I mean you had your war on drugs and it literally didn't work. Statism is so retarded it's unbelievable

>>534853348
doesn't matter what you would rather, it matters what is powerful enough to make the working class forget that they just spent all day pushing their joints and muscles to the limit. cigarettes and alcohol are not powerful enough. cocaine and ecstasy are. blackjack and pussy are.

>>534853365
>I mean you had your war on drugs and it literally didn't work.

Libertarians are literally dumber and more historically illiterate than actual communists.

>>534853056
I just can’t help but notice how the outcome was cartels being bigger than ever before

>>534853411
>it matters what is powerful enough to make the working class forget that they just spent all day pushing their joints and muscles to the limit.

I believe if someone is truly working hard they won't be working class for very long, they will join the upper brackets.

>>534853415
I mean the us literally did it, giant campaign against drugs a literal war on drugs with the literal name. It didn't work.
In fact it can never works , same as gun control. It's retarded. It can only work in extremely small shitholes that become basically giant prisons like Singapore or el Salvador or those demented gulf states.

>>534853424
I can't help but notice the outcome our outcome was America's GDP continuing to grow throughout the following decades instead of Escape from New York becoming a reality

>>534853466
complete delusion.

>>534853507
>I mean the us literally did it,

Yes they did, and it proved it works. If you actually have politicians with balls like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush Jr, and actually allocate funding to fighting drugs, you can obliterate them and it's not even that hard. These politicians had other issues they were dealing with at the asme time.

>In fact it can never works , same as gun control.

Only a retard claims gun control doesn't work. The only thing stopping the U.S from doing it is the second amendment, which is a constitutional protection.

>>534853348
Conservatives are against table top games, games, books, art and music as well. Alcohol and smokes are accepted because they own manufacturing.

>>534853540
If someone is really working all day, and they save 10% of their income and put it into the S&P500, how will they not become rich in due time?

>>534853348
>alcohol
I prefer weed, cocaine and pshychadelics though.

>>534853602
What? It's non-Conservatives who hate those things because they're too boring.

Conservatives are the only people who read, appreciate intellectual games. It's non-Conservatives who want to smoke pot, mastrubate, and commit crimes.

>>534853630
Boomer spotted. No one has any disposable income anymore, especially not for stonks.

>>534853056
The war on drugs is over. Drugs won.

>>534853639
In an ideal world you would have the right to do those things, thing is I'm talking about an economy, a nation.

When we allow people to engage in these things, not only do they squander their capital, but they become unproductive liabilities to the entire system.

Would you rather be the King of a nation of sober workers, or a nation of drug users?

>>534853688
If someone is working all day they absolutely would. And no I'm not even close to a boomer.

>>534853699
It only ended because we obliterated drugs, we won barely even trying.

Now that the left is trying to bring drugs back, Trump started it up again and already won.

>>534853630
>S&P500
99% of them don't know what that is.

>>534853348
>read, exercise, work late, self improve, etc
All faggot shit KYS

>>534853056
If you support to so-called war on drugs then you support armed government employees coming to your house in the middle of the night to throw grenades in your baby's crib because someone who doesn't even live at your address might be in possession of the wrong plant.

(Yes. It really is that simple.)

>>534853365
>Statism is so retarded it's unbelievable
This... x1,000,000,000,000

Statism is the most violent delusion ever invented.

Why do cuckservatives love this man so much despite FOPA causing big gun restrictions

>>534853883
Opposing the war on drugs is supporting a drug addicted zombie raiding your house for money and jewelry because he needs to fund his drug addiction.

>>534853931
Because he

>ended FCC censorship of Conservatives
>deregulated the economy
>cut non-defense spending
>cut taxes
>tight monetary policy
>free trade
>strong military
>anti-communist
>hard on crime
>fought drugs
>cultural weapon against the left.

>>534854012
>Opposing the war on drugs is supporting a drug addicted zombie raiding your house for money and jewelry because he needs to fund his drug addiction.
I can shoot a drug addled zombie raiding my house. (Also, I don't live in a city. I live innawoods. People don't do that shit here.)

Drugs addled zombies are better people than government employees all day long.

>>534854076
Yeah I guess that's a good point, second amendment is important.

I just want to create a nice stable crime free society and I view criminalization of substances as a way to do that that doesn't severely infringe on the rights of others. It is certainly an infringment of rights, but it is worth it for the good of a nation.

It's like a tariff

>>534854157
Empowering government employees to bring "lawful" state violence upon people for possessing the wrong plant will not help build the nice, stable, crime free society you seek. Prohibition simply does not work. So called "government" is a much bigger threat to your "crime free utopia" than a few drug addled zombies. Please choose wisely, anon. Cheers!

>>534854409
>Empowering government employees to bring "lawful" state violence upon people for possessing the wrong plant will not help build the nice, stable, crime free society you seek.

Yes it does, prohibition, law enforcement, and willingness to act all have proven to 100% work at creating prosperity.

Nayib Bukele is showing us this in real time.

>>534853056
its a draconian police state jewish excuse to create a dystopian police state

>>534853348
>work late
work hard like Elon Musk, shitpost on twitter 12hr/day

>>534853348
>work late
good goy

>>534853584
Drug use and overdose deaths continued to expand under all those presidents

>>534854595
They increased at a slower rate and when adjusted for population size they increased at an even slower rate than upon first glance.

>>534854464
bukele operates a police state where the majority of incarcerated people are for disagreeing with the government, all news out of that shit-hole is fake and manufactured by their corrupt regime like North Korea or Jewkraine

>>534854644
illiterate jeet, They soared 20-fold in the past 20 years

>>534854464
>prohibition, law enforcement, and willingness to act all have proven to 100% work at creating prosperity.
The economic zone formerly known as America is damn near $40,000,000,000,000 (with a T) in debt. There is nothing prosperous about that. Prohibition failed. Even so... The criminals who masquerade as "government" are much more harmful to society and the world than all the junkies in the world combined.

>>534853746
>we obliterated drugs
No one obliterated drugs. When the government was officially at "war" with them in the 80s and 90s, big pharma was legally giving out opioids and chemical cocktails like candy. Alcohol and tobacco were doing fine.
Weed, MDMA, psychedelics, and hard street drugs like cocaine and heroin went underground but were still quite easily obtainable. Massive subcultures formed around each of them, because prohibitions always make forbidden fruits out of things.
The illegality of weed in particular created K2/Spice which ended up being far worse than normal weed ever was.

>>534853056
not leftist and think it's abusive, old slave-owner impulse. gotta keep them slaves productive now...
if you want you can find a happy middle-ground. have it controlled for adults past 25yo with limited monthly quantity.
it can be done if you wanted to. but your die-hard slave owner mindset wants the slaves at their max rpm until they wither and die. pump them full of coffee and booze and that's that

>>534853056
Reagan's war on drugs represented a massive flip in funding allocation for enforcement vs treatment compared to the Nixon administration.

A huge portion of drug industry profits are generated by heavy user addicts, so treatment to get those people clean would have the most long term effect on drug industry profitability.

>>534854672
Oh so you're an uneducated druggie and narco-terror sympathizer got it.

>>534854704
>The economic zone formerly known as America is damn near $40,000,000,000,000 (with a T) in debt.

GDP is higher than ever, we do have a debt problem but that's due to social security, medicaid, medicare, farm subsidies, education subsidies, SNAP, and humanitarian foreign aid.

>Prohibition failed

It had a 100% success.

>>534854730
It doesn't matter if the drugs physically exist, if they're impossible to obtain because nobody knows where to get them (since advertizement is gone), and people are too scared to deal them, they effectively are obliterated.

>ar created K2/Spice which ended up being far worse than normal weed ever was.

Even if that's true, that means the users are more likely to overdose and die, meaning that's still another W if we are literally at war with drugs and their users.

>>534854823
>if you want you can find a happy middle-ground. have it controlled for adults past 25yo with limited monthly quantity.

That's literally the worst possible policy I can think of.

If someone is a drug user then we would want them to die, if someone is doing it the best thing to do policy wise would be encourage an overdose.

>>534854824
Criminals should not get free treatment, nobody should get treatment unless they pay for it.

It's not the governments job to give you free medical care, it's their job to enforce the law and carry out justice.

>>534854916
The government is the origin source for money. You just want that money to go to connected groups like police officers instead. That way there is no real incentive to actually fix the problem at the root. Drug crime then becomes a marketing tool for the police and the drug industry maintains its profit.

>>534854849
>It doesn't matter if the drugs physically exist, if they're impossible to obtain because nobody knows where to get them (since advertizement is gone), and people are too scared to deal them, they effectively are obliterated.
A lot of ifs and imagination and they do not stack up to the reality that, every single time a drug has been "banned" and propagandized against, it remains in use and sometimes even becomes more popular than it ever was.

>>534853348
I learned this week that red bull zero causes me to literally leak blood from my anus. It comes out like a steady stream for ten seconds sometimes. Jesus fucking Christ how is that shit legal?

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>>534853056
It was amusing when Nancy added Tobacco and alcohol to the DARE program. Pretty sure the liquor and tobacco companies donated a pretty penny to regans campaign and his wife is biting the hand that fed them.

>>534855236
It is the reality.

I have never had trouble getting alcohol, weed (legal here), tobacco, junk food, sparkling water. I just look up on Google Maps where it was.

In Uni when my friends and I wanted MDMA, we had no clue where to find it. There were no stores, there was nobody we knew, we were afraid to ask because we didn't want people to tell others that we were looking for it. We gave up because it became too kafkaesque.

My other friend in marketing says a huge part of selling is point of contact. They want to make it as easy as possible for the customer to buy the product. Even with minimal enforcement, criminalizing a drug strips the dealer from the ability to advertize, and make his location apparent. It militates against any attempt to make buying his product easy.

>>534855331
How on earth does you doing redbull and leaking shit from your anus affect society in any way or cause crime to increase?

You need to learn cause and affect.

Let me know when you're planning to ban alcohol and tobacco :^)

>>534854916
>drug
that's not a scientific term, it's a political one. in the scientific sense your whole family are drug users if you ever took a tylenol
so in this sense, "drugs" are a political term, substances can get on/off the list depending on how you feel about it. it's not really about science, it's about politics and for you especially slave productivity.
pretending you dont' understand the difference between soft and hard "drugs" means nothing, the same as understanding the difference between soft and hard use
>you drink a beer you a lifelong alcohol abuser to me
sure faggot

>>534853348
>alcohol
>cigarettes
You support two incredibly harmful addictive drugs being legal? Lib.

>>534853268
>can't afford to golf or buy a boat
>well, I guess all there is that's left to do is smoke crack and shoot up heroin
kek

>>534855485
Cigarettes are being banned in many parts of Europe, banning alcohol would be nearly impossible to do so because it would be politically unpopular.

>>534855523
This isn't really an argument, so because medicine counts as a drug, scientifically, we can't ban heroin and meth?

>>534855544
Never once did I ever say that.

If it were politically possible I'd ban both of those too.

>>534853056
I used to think all drugs should be legal. That adults could make that decision for themselves.
Then COVID hit.
Before that, I never understood that most people are retarded subhuman pack animals.
They can't be trusted to make those kinds of decisions for themselves. Because yes, they will destroy society. The masses are barely cognizant humanoid entities, basically.

>>534853056
>I have read enough history to realize that legalizing drugs is a complete and total disaster
Still less a disaster than criminalizing drugs. You and I pay something on the order of close to $400 billion per year as taxpayers trying to make junkies stop shooting up heroin and Cletus to stop making meth in his bathtub. Is that good value? I mean, it's still unaffordable, but if somehow it did stop them from doing drugs maybe it could be worth it. Does it stop them from using drugs?

So why would you want it to stay criminalized?

>>534855758
>You and I pay something on the order of close to $400 billion per year as taxpayers trying to make junkies stop shooting up heroin and Cletus to stop making meth in his bathtub. Is that good value? I mean, it's still unaffordable, b

That is way way more affordable than the trillions it would cost if society collapsed because drugs completely obliterated society and its productive capacity.

El Salvador spent half a billion on CECOT, people said they couldn't afford it, but it has already paid for itself several times over.

>>534855725
And this is my argument to, people will destroy society.

I do support war on really dangerous drugs, like opioids. But weed or LSD should be legal.

>>534855704
>we can't ban heroin and meth?
I predicted you will behave like a gorilla faggot and suddenly pretend you don't understand the difference between fentanyl and weed
faggot

>>534855562
crack is a direct result of the war on drugs, it's the kind of product you get when the black marketeers are the only people making it. heroin can be used without needles and is very manageable when you do so, I would argue it's even less addictive than high grade cannabis if you're snorting it.

>>534853584
>allocate funding to fighting drugs, you can obliterate them and it's not even that hard
lol they can't even keep drugs out of prisons. war on drugs is just another welfare project for zogbots.

>>534853056
Because it's counter productive.

America has way more drug addicts than western countries with a more sane approach to drugs.
It's just a massive waste of money that INCREASES drug use.

I have never even seen a fentanyl user for example, that shit simply does not exist here.
Maybe countries with massive drug problems like USA should look at successful countries like mine.
Or keep your drug problem, I don't care, just hope my politicians will never be retarded enough to fall into that trap.

>>534855404
blood. Leaking blood from my anus

>>534855879
And your prediction was complete horseshit because I never once mentioned weed.

>>534856294
They literally made them impossible to find in a Fraternity, that's as close to winning as it gets.

>>534856297
>America has way more drug addicts than western countries with a more sane approach to drugs.

Yeah no shit, you guys don't have a drug problem, so why would you need to do a drug war?

>Maybe countries with massive drug problems like USA should look at successful countries like mine.

Or maybe you should emulate the USA so your nation doesn't become drug infested.

the war on drugs is like the war in vietnam. it's entirely possible to win, we just aren't allowed to for political reasons.

>>534856402
>Copy the fat man's diet or you will become obese

>>534855804
I do wonder what the real reasons are that some drugs are allowed and some drugs are banned.
The drug scheduling scale here in the U.S. that they use to decide is just retarded. It is contradictory and arbitrary.
My guess is that it comes down to money and who gets to make money from the drugs.

>>534856349
Leaking blood? Or on the tp when you wipe?

>>534853056
> Govern me harder, daddy

>>534856545
>Wow, you have cancer and take chemo... so dumb, nobody I know has cancer and we don't do chemo. It's clear that chemo is what's causing cancer, maybe you should emulate my non-chemo taking friends so your cancer goes away.

>>534856486
Then why did we win?

>>534856644
Pouring out like a faucet. It's from the artificial sweeteners in the red bull zero. Absolutely nuts.

>>534854012
The war on drugs is the solution to the problem it itself created.

>>534853056
Ir has been one of the biggest impetuses for government overreach and shredding constitutional rights in the nation, as well as adding additional hollow charges that exist solely to stack penalties against someone, or worst of all, to be used alone to blemish the records of otherwise law abiding citizens and ruin their lives (paraphernalia charges, for example, where the police can just charge someone for having something like an unused glass pipe purchased legally at a shop. Or turning a small possession charge into a felony, because the cop claims you have something innocuous like TWO sandwich bags near you, so it automatically means you had intent to distribute. These two examples, of many others, do nothing but make the situation overall worse for everyone). This doesn't even touch upon actions such as civil asset forfeiture, which assumes guilt until innocence is proven, where you can have your lawful assets seized because they MIGHT be involved in some way with drugs, and you have to spend a ton of money (often more than the assets are worth) in legal costs to maybe get them back (or cases of cops seizing someone's vehicle along with everything in it, because they drove it to purchase a small amount of something like weed. No one can justify law enforcement acting like highway robbers in seizing assets worth many times the value of the drugs they caught someone with, or even because they just feel you're carrying "too much cash", with absolutely no proof of any crime involving you or your assets).

>>534856770
Whoa. Its like a butt period. You shouldn't drink that stuff again probably.

>>534857182
These are really good points actually, it seemed to throw due process and presumed innocence out the window.

>>534856402
>And your prediction was complete horseshit because I never once mentioned weed.
and I never mentioned heroin. I was strictly talking about weed but I should have probably mentioned that, in hindsight.
you obviously cannot trust normies with not abusing heroin/cocaine/fentanyl. I'm not fucking retarded. even weed should be controlled. it's win/win. people have access to it, they cannot easily abuse it. goberments can keep track of how things evolve in time

>>534857293
Actually one of the tactics of the prohibtion era was to intentionally spike the alcohol, so that those who consumed it would die.

How is it a win win if the people we're at war with get to consume the substance but they don't get any of the real negative effects?

Under your system they won't die or go to jail.

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>>534857454
Anon, what if they are doing that today and calling it " fent overdoses "?

>>534855804
>That is way way more affordable than the trillions it would cost if society collapsed because drugs completely obliterated society
They're already "completely obliterating it". It can't get worse than it is. You're not stopping anyone who wants to use drugs at the moment. Do you imagine that if it were legalized, twice as many people would do them? Can it even be twice as many, considering that how many already do it (over 50%)?
>El Salvador spent half a billion on CECOT, people said they couldn't afford it, but it has already paid for itself several times over.
So everyone in CECOT was a drug peddler and user? And they've caught all of them (or at least most)?

>>534858545
Nta, but Tbh I love doing drugs. The only reason I don't do drugs is because since they're illegal I would have to get them from degenerate drug dealers and I'm above doing that. If they were legal and easy to buy from a store, I'd be high af right now. Lol

>>534853056
Don't the Chinks crack down pretty hard on drugs? Are you saying we should emulate the Chinks? Doesn't that make you the real leftist?

>>534858756
>The only reason I don't do drugs is because since they're illegal I would have to get them from degenerate drug dealers
I'm not interested in spending hundreds of billions per year just to protect you from yourself. Not worth it. Learn some self-control, or don't. Not my problem.

>>534858545
>They're already "completely obliterating it". It can't get worse than it is

A utopian society that solved everything is as bad as it gets? Things could be a bit better, I'd like to have more money, but we don't really have problems. America used to have problems. CAnada used to have problems

>You're not stopping anyone who wants to use drugs at the moment.

Nobody wants to do them because they're illegal. Nobody wants to go to jail or risk a criminal record over a drug that doesn't even benefit them long term.

>So everyone in CECOT was a drug peddler and user? And they've caught all of them (or at least most)?

Do you not know how El Salvador went from the most dangerous nation on earth to the safest in a few years?

>>534858793
There's a ton I respect about the Chinese system actually. They're more of a Neo-Mercantilist Fascist society than they are leftist. They are extremely far right on many issues.

>>534858940
Maybe learn economics, maybe learn about politics.

>not my problem

Yes it is if you can't even go to work because of drug users.

>>534859081
>Maybe learn economics, maybe learn about politics
The economics says that black market products are necessarily more expensive, but the perverse incentive is that the higher costs of goods gives them the motivation to introduce violence to try to overcome and legal friction. You're making it all more violent than it has to be. People are dying that wouldn't die if it were legal. Cops get killed... no one would shoot them if the drugs were legal. Bystanders get killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The cost isn't just monetary.

But how would you know, you're just a jeet.

>>534857259
Exactly, and it's perfect for those departments and officials who don't want to give up their bloated budgets and enjoy the additional powers it has brought them. It's not really saving society by dismantling its very foundations, to save society from the scourge of drugs, because drugs will dismantle society. It's like the people who were willing to throw away their freedoms after 9/11, because 'Bin Laden hates us for our freedoms'; what are you even accomplishing at that point, where a pyrrhic victory is the best case scenario?

>>534853056
Losers overdosing is good. Airdrop drugs to the hood.

>>534853056
Because the people waging the war suck at logistics.

Doctors start cutting patients off who take certain RXs because they don't want to get sued or investigated if the drugs are sold or whatever, but that only hurts people who legitimately need them. Like how banning guns doesn't stop criminals from finding them to murder people with.

>>534853348
>work late
jewish hands typed this post.

>>534862359
Many doctors are such insufferable faggots about pain meds. Unprompted, they'll make a big deal about not giving them out, and when you say that's fine because you don't like taking them, then they switch to downplaying your pain and treating you like you didn't really need them if you're not begging for them. Meanwhile, there's plenty of doctors who will hand them out, so if that's all I was really after, I would be going to them instead. They legitimately do not believe that there are people who just do not like them and/or would prefer to work through pain without opiates. It's genuinely fucking stupid, and I don't understand why they even bring them up in the first place if they're not going to give them, but still act like even bigger cunts if you refuse them.

>>534853056
why do rightoids use the cartel as an asset?

Unwinnable republicans scam