Polands deposit return system (kaucja) was launched last year. Stores charge 0.50 PLN for plastic bottles/cans and 1 PLN for glass, refunded via reverse vending machines (butelkomaty). It created widespread frustration. Machines frequently break, jam, overflow, forcing long queues or hunts for working ones. Significant parts of society turned into trashmen. Kids, Ukrainians, pensioners and the poor scour streets, bins and parks for deposit bottles, carrying heavy bags between stores for tiny refunds. One Ukrainian teen returned over 3,000 for nearly €400 in one day breaking the countrys record xDAbsurdities pile up. Damaged labels or no special mark mean no refund, even for clean bottles. Transition chaos mixes deposit and non-deposit packaging. Loopholes let firms sell 3.001L bottles to dodge rules, etc etc.Machines reject slightly crushed or dirty items. Vouchers tie refunds to specific chains, and rural areas lack access entirely. Costs rose for stores and producers with complaints of inefficiency versus simple curbside recycling so problems grow in Bolanda. Vid-rel: Ukrainian businessmen earning their daily honey xD
One time when I was fiddling on my phone in DTLA a Hispanic woman approached me and asked if I could look up the local bottle processing businesses for her. I did so. Then she called her man, told him where they were and they went on their merry way.
>>534861769This system created paradise for homeless and jobless alcoholics. They find 10 cans in a bin and they already have money for another beer so they can be drunk all the time xD
>>534861528Would be good if we had that here. We get 10p for 1000cans
>>534861862based win win
>>534861528This is shit is recent also in Romania, basically its a humiliation ritual.Besides, the whole waste recycling process is absolutly retarded.There are atleast 4 types of household garbage:plastics, glass, paper/cellulose and organic leftover.Imagine having 4 types of garbage stored in your 50sqm flat, its taking like a min of 1sqm space. absolutly retarded.They basically shift the responsability of the garbage recycling from the waste utilities to the common man. its also highly inefective, most people just dump trash in any type of trash can.In france, the system I experienced was much simpler: two types, either recyclable or not.Fuck this shit.
We've had those for years but only homeless do it
>>534861958The guardian was saying how great your system is
>>534861528At least you started cleaning up.
>>534861528> simple curbside recyclingYou mean the colored bins that get filled with regular trash cause assholes are lazy niggers? We have those too.
>>534861528We've had this here since I can remember. It's a good thing because it keeps your city clean and plastics are easily recyclable as long as you're not a thirdy who just chucks it into rivers and oceans. The cash incentive is a great bonus so just wish they could set up a similar system for batteries and other returnable waste.
>>534861528>Ukrainians come to poland and clean it up because poles refuse to.
>>534861528Why aren’t these young men on the front lines?
>>534862147yeah, like you will have metal, plastic, glass garbage like usual but no containers type garbage. More or less the same shit.Anyway, garbage was not a issue in romania, its clean..compared to the global median
>>534861958>>534861894>>534862008>>534862147>>534862239I have four trash bins right in front of my house. One for glass bottles, one for paper and cardboard, a third for plastic (i toss cans in there too) and a fourth for regular unsorted garbage. Ever since they brought in those bottle return machines, every morning i wake up to hoarse alcoholic voices or people speaking Ukrainian, mixed with the constant clinking of glass bottles. They are out there pulling plastic bottles, glass bottles, and cans out of the bins. Its actually pretty funny, when the garbage truck finally shows up, the recycling bins are basically empty. Only the regular trash bin is full - the others are almost completely cleaned out xD
>>534861528who tf cares about pooolanfuck off to int faggot
>>534861528>Significant parts of society turned into trashmen.100% true. This is basically return to 1990s post soviet collapse Poland.Words cannot express how much I hate the PO-PiS establishment and their voter base.At this stage of my live I just want to be gone to SEA. I don't give a fuck.
>>534862339I can relate keksounds good for housesbut having 4 types of garbage storage in your commie flat is retarded.
>>534862532I think this 4-bin system is implemented everywhere in Poland.
>>534862366Salamu alakem
>>534862147>>534862297This may be a shocker to you, but Polacks have actually kept their streets clean for free before.
>>534862339besides the usual 4 types of garbage, there are two more types, construction waste and agricultural waste like from the grass mowing your yard, so there are 6 types of garbage.I dont know how other countries do it though but I really think that garbage sorting should be the responsability of the waste company and not of the common man.
>>534861528This is a test run for a new form of taxation, basically you can get your tax back but it's humiliating, inconvenient and the money you get doesn't matter at all so you're expected not to return the bottles/cans and just accept the tax. Which is why we should all return them so that a couple of months down the line it "turns out the system doesn't work as expected" and they shut this whole thing down.
>>534862718I have only 4. I toss food and other unassigned trash to the last bin with regular garbage. Thats why this one particular bin gets full after a week, while all the others are empty/half-empty due to bottle/can hunters xDThere is also completely separate special bin for old clothes on my street, so i throw old clothes there on regular basis. This cloth-bin was destroyed few times by some mysterious thieves who robbed it xD
>>534861528This made it even to the news here. Not the fuckery but a few months ago when it passed the legislation. Probably because those cunts here are proud that the cancer is finally spreading.Should have bought the returning machines here, we have decades of experience in this cuckery.
>>534861528We've had this since the '70s.
op tell us more about yourself. where in poland do you live? how old are you? do you live alone, with your parents? do you think this is a serious discussion forum? do you study? do you work? why the fuck are you here all day, every day making these threads? in short why are you like this?https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/xD/country/PL/type/op/
>>534861528Stop destroying the planet, or at least do it without being a gyppo about it
>>534861528>>534861958Cry more pajeets. Recycling ia based and white coded. Not my problem you didn't exterminate your gyppos
>>534862925I am a bored man who doesnt need to work to live
>>534861958They've done the exact same thing here, so now I just throw everything in the compost bin. Fuck off, you sort it
>>534862902We had bottle-return system always, since early communist Poland. But it was never as "lucrative" as now, i guess. Back then a drunkard needed to find 100 bottles to buy a beer, now 5 is enough xD
>>534861528This system has existed for about a decade if not longer in the rest of europe.>Significant parts of society turned into trashmenHow is this a bad thing?
>>534863045You mean vending machines?
>>534862925Why won't you bother the /uhg/ and other zogbot shills with such questions? It's not like he's bumping generals with 50 pbtid of strawman propaganda, is he?
>>534861528Europeans have to do it just to counter balance all the Indians dropping their garbage into the ocean
>>534861528Bottle return systems are based. I used to make bank after every party at my campus. Could buy half a week's food with all the cans and bottles I returned.
>>534863013based and same, everything goes into the black bin, not my problem
>>534863176This. Only the black bin is always full here xD
>>534863082I mean the taromatai. The thing you are describing. Here in Lithuania we've had it for I think about 10 years now. Much longer in western europe. Hobos looking to collect bottles was only a thing for maybe the first year or so before the civic sense was knocked into the retard heads of people who'd throw their shit around on the streets.
>>534861958>>534861528They have this in Ungarn as well, the Danish do it too. I fucking hate the Germans for forcing us into this.Everywhere I go I see people searching trashcans for a dime, every store entrance smells like booze due to the swarm of alcoholics. I am all for recycling but the execution is atrocious, these return-points should be in specific pre-set locations, not in stores.I have gotten so mad at how much my quality of life dropped due to this shit that I no longer recycle anything. I used to have 3 separate trash bins like the romanian bro. Not anymore, to hell with this chaos. If Im at home, everything goes in the same bag. If Im out on the town, I put the bottles next to the bins instead of dropping them in, at least the homeless dont need to be fishing them out.Once again, FUCK german people for these obligations, as well as my own for not creating a better system to meet said obligations
>>534863190What is taromatai?
>>534863222Read the second sentence of the post you're linking to. JFC.
>>534863176this, stop being poor, let the goyim sort the trash in the real world
>>53486296940 pages worth of threads until august 2025 lil bro. only limited by the fact it only returns the first 1000 (40x25 op's). how well does this pay? you know you can work here in the netherlands if you wanted. do a season a year horticulture sector nothing wrong with that
>>534863146your time must be worthless
>>534861958You are retarded. Of course it's easiest to split your garbage at the soruce.You'd mix everything into one bag and have people somewhere separate it? But that mixing itself already makes procesign more difficult. That yoghurt and chicken fat soaked all over the paper, good luck separating that now.Organics must be separated. Plastic/glass/paper containers should be rinsed/cleaned at least a little bit before being placed in the proper container.
>>534863290If i wanted to earn money on posting stuff on imageboards, i think i would need to advertize vaccines, windmills, abortion pills and Israeli Defence/Offense Force in here. Sadly nobody pays for writing the truth xD Besides one futures contract i open is worth more than you and few generations of your family back and forth could probably ever earn.
>>534863327>1 minute to bag a bunch of cans lying around>5 min walk to store>can dump them as I go shopping???
>>534861528you can fuck off back to glorious russia any day now
>>534861888we dont need it here. we have home recycling bins that we pay for with council tax, all this does is require people to take their recycling back to the supermarket for the sake of it.
>>534863443Fuck off back to india jeetYou dont even know how much pain in ass is this retarted system
>>534863290>you know you can work here in the netherlandsBut he already told you he doesn't need to (and I don't either). What is the point you are trying to make? Is Holland economy not doing so hot anymore and you don't have cheap immigrant labour? Why won't you hire the niggers?
>>534863484you don't even know OP is a russian bot seetheposting from a VPN every fucking day in the same format
>>534861958It's not that hard. You keep the bottles and get those to the recycle points.And throw everything else in one bag
>>534863013>They've done the exact same thing hereIt's a shitshow. Every public place has some shitskins or Polacks checking the trashcans in Vienna constantly. Supermarkets, like Hofer, who have the machines outside the proper shopping floor usually have some shitskins or Eastern Europeans occupying the machine..Best part is that the trashcans in Vienna aren't made to be scanvenged, so most of them around subways are already broken open for a .50 Euro profit.They couldn't have executed this any worse.
>>534861769Latinos are common in Kazakhstan? Crazy.
>>534863443>>534863545Funny coming from someone sounding like typical /uhg/ poster seething about russia everyday.
>>534863443Russia had the can collection thing since the late 1990's. Poland is just late to civilization, as usual.
>>534861528you have to go back jeet
>>534863545But on this shit he is rightWhoever planed and pushed thru this system should be hanged on newrest lamppost
>>534863612Yes we have a DTLA in Almaty. It's called reading comprehension.
>>534863571And pay more for trash becose trash companies were earning most from those type of trash.... You get double fuckedYou need to do shitty work in your free time + you need to pay more for trash service
>>534863545I am not Russian, but i can be in your imagination. Being Russian is not shameful in my perception. This imageboard rather suffers from overload of Western/USrael shills, it looks like a classic honey pot. From what i noticed, members of Iran+Russia+China+NK fanclub can be counted on fingers of one hand. I am not exactly a big fan of these 4 countries but i like how they expose Wests moral/economical/industrial and technological bankruptcy. Western elites should be exterminated imo, and such shills like you make it impossible xD
>>534863658i'll take your word for it but i don't give a shit about the content of a message when i know it's coming from a subversive russian kikebot. tomorrow he'll make a post about how Poles are cuck bitches with mincy little faggot balls taking it up the ass from mohammed. will he be right about that too?
The implementation of this system is just completely shameless. It banks on you not wanting to be bothered to reclaim money that is your per bottle, because what you'll realistically get is a voucher with expiry date or fuckall if you live in rural areas.Money doesn't even go into arming the country militarily, it goes to the fucking Germans.
>>534863413Go find more trash, we whites stole America by killing the real Americans... we whites should kill the Polish men (polish women are the easiest sluts) and call ourselves Polish after we steal Poland from its subhumans
>>534861528Welcome to civilization weird how Poland keeps doing the same shit as Germany.
>>534863758>will he be right about that too?You won't. Never have been.
>>534863757you post every day multiple times in the exact same format. every time i take a shit and check this cesspool, here you are, posting some bullshit meant to divide and conquer Western Europe, the EU, NATO. Just drop the act already.
>>534863885>divide and conquer Western Europe, the EU, NATO.Last time i checked your POTUS was excelling at this kind of activity xD
>>534863757>>534863885Probably has a form chart to write these by this point. If he is a pole and is consciously doomposting like this, he probably has a humiliation fetish and you are knowingly jerking another man off by calling him out.
>>534863885The problem with the plastic bottle deposit system is actually quite unifying. Why won't you fuck off and check your lawn, I think there are niggers tresspassing it?
We've had this for 15years lol, I usually just take my bag and give it to some poor looking person standing in line
>pay 12c more for bottle>REEE REE REE THE GUBMINT IS FORCING ME TO RECYCLE!Fucking don't then and eat those minute losses. Nobody is forcing you to do shit. Only thing that's happening is a bunch of poor people picking up plastic trash and returning them.We got tethered bottle caps because you mongoloids can't manage your plastic waste.
A young lady just starting cleaning the garden, obvious for free.Cheers for her.
>>534863413so you actually do this for fun. tell me more though, do you live alone or do you live with your parents? you earn your money doing gamba with crypto? Ive opened futures before, it goes well about as many times as it goes wrong for me>>534863511you his boyfriend or something?
>all these ridiculous posts ITT>my humiliation system is better than yours!>we had it ahead if you!Thats pathetic xD
>>534863982Don't know about your shithole but people volutarily recycled here before this shit. All this introduced was an incentive for shitskins and Eastern Europeans to dumpster dive and break trashcans. A net loss.
>>534861528imagine giving a fuck. i just play Tibia MMO entire life.
>>534862339Newfag.I am leaving this recyclable shit in separate bags so all the businessmen can take it quickly and don't spoil the view from my windows.
>>534863222"Tara" means packaging, be it carton or bottle."mat" is a shortened form of "auomat", meaning it's an automated machine.
>>534864117I am a man in my early 40s, dude. I see my parents once or twice a year. I post here for myself, it is an autotherapy. I need some place to tell the truth and cause controversies amongst the local human livestock to maintain a mental and emotional hygiene. I cant live in a lie all the time. Telling the truth in public, under my own surname, would be too costly.
>>534864117Yes.
>>534863797all you can do is hang yourself at best you worthless fat kike. all americans should be killed
>>534861528So they just copying us again
>>534861528Its great system
>>534863922Poland under Russia>we have no amenities and we have to wait for hours in line to buy basic groceries. The state watches our every move. criticism of Communism is illegal. Poland with the West>Z0MG!!11!!! I have to have FOUR bins for recycling when will the EU stop oppressing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>534863215Stfu nigger its not our fault your citizens are monkeys
>>534861528Same shit here. Previously we had the selective containers with paper, plastic, glass etc. Ever since this deposit system was introduced I refuse to buy any products that has this refund and just dump all my trash into the generic container.
>>534863763>Money doesn't even go into arming the country militarily, it goes to the fucking Germans.Pay up, piggy
>>534864253We whites killed the real Americans since day one we came, your inferior sub "humans" are next.What can you do from your cuck shed?Nothing because we're untouchable! You can only wait for when we whites come and your sister and daughter spread their legs to REAL WHITESAmerica is the best thing we whites stole, polish girls might be the second LOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>534861528Humiliation ritual
>>534864288It's not about the four bin system, retard. We had it for years.It's about the paid deposit system which was introduced only this year.Learn to read.
>>534861528We have this system a few years ago.Beggar gipsies and homeless bums get the daily alcohol with it.And don't forget those rats tear all trash bins to shreds just to find a few more bottle.
>>534864424Fuck the EU
>>534864248sounds like a lonely existence. you do you anon, but adopting some kind of hobby might be a good idea >I see my parents once or twice a yeardamn, you live far away or something? I see mine twice a month despite the ~2h drive. just enough for my liberal homosexual tranny electric car
>>534864478As soon as you stop throwing them in the trash and return them, that problem goes away.
>>534864456OMG! that sounds terrible. eternal servitude to russia sounds SO much better than a paid deposit system implemented by the EUthe funny thing about OP, every Polish person were those Ukranians trying to scrape by collecting bottles when they lived under Russian rule.
>>534861528Would be better all round if the deposit were much less and instead of machines you just called up a government office and they would send an employee around to visually inspect and then weigh your returns. That solves the profiteering, rural problems and shitty overpriced machines while creating some jobs.
>>534864543The lower the return, the more digging around you get for actual bums to meet their quota.It's a societal shopping cart return test and you're all failing it.
>>534862286You aren't making money, stupid. The deposit is in addition to the price... You're losing money if you don't return it
>>534861528I stopped throwing my trash in the bin.I now empty it on my way to the supermarket and other places I go.If you aren't making the lives of the goyim nigger cattle as unpleasant as possible you aren't really a bad goy.
>>534864531The Polish wer never Hohols. You need to fuck off back to /uhg/, Oleg.
>>534863993>obvious for free.You are the obvious, melteanule!Young girls are hired by the mayor office to clean up street areas and greenery.
It's very interesting to read Poles and Romanians sharing their fresh experiences with a system we've had for a decade now. Not judging or anything, just honestly interesting from a sociological point of view. We've had (and still have) similar sentiments floating around, but for the most part, everyone's become a willing participant.I really like the apparent dichotomy between "it's a humiliation ritual" and "no, it's white-coded".
>>534862828They do this in Germanistan daily
>>534864482Leave please?
>>534861958Well said. All the trash ends up in the same landfill in india anyway.
>>534864591It's a sliding scale. If the return is lower you will get more desperate types but also fewer people who should be doing something productive. Maybe OP is exaggerating but he makes it sound like pokemon scalper tier of people who should have something better to do scrounging for bottles.Bums collecting cans/bottles is normal, working adults is not.
>>534864623It's the slow boiling frog effect, my rainbow flag friend.
>>534862884I just moved back to the States from Weiden i.d.Opf and those machines are fucking gay. I'm trying to take back a couple cans at Edeka and some faggot haggard alcoholic has 3 bags full of shit and half of it the machine won't take and he's trying it 37 times. Fuck those machines
>>534864680The higher it is, the lower the urge to just throw it in some random bin.We've had this shit since 1942.
>>534864543No fuck that bullshit the government shouldn't employ anyone in the first place. There is no profiteering, the bar codes are scanned and you pay for the deposit upfront anyway. It already creates jobs, you can toss bottles and cans anywhere in the city and within an hour a gypsy will pick it up for you, those subhumans literally work for $1/h.
>>534861528We've been doing this for decades and it works fine. The only problem is that some cans and bottles can only be returned to Lidl, not that it's an inconvenience for me personally.
>>534864591>It's a societal shopping cart return testStupid analogy.All it really did was to turn trashcans into lootboxes that can spit out a couple of Euros if you dig hard enough. The drink you buy for yourself to consume wherever you please is obviously not the same as the store-owned cart you exclusively used for shopping. You owe anyone the return of your drink or the bottle - you didn't borrow it - you paid for both.
yeah i got like 4 120L bags full of monster cans stashed in the garage, cant fucking ass myself to do it
>>534864619No, gypsies usually clean the streets, mostly because these people are doing community service hours(mandatory, maybe part of a sentence for doing petty crimes).People from the suites clean their own gardens, as a matter of fact, in getting ready to assist the lady in the cleaning process, even if I dont know her and its not my block, thats what people in communities do.
>>534861528>Recently recycled my bottles got $100>fag makes me sign a form saying i do this as a hobbyWhy is Australian globohomo making me sign a document that was only for selling metals, they are making me feel like a criminal recycling bottles and making the world cleaner
>>534864767Every time you throw a return bottle in the trash, you're a nigger pushing the shopping cart into some bushes.
>>534861528You haven't hit Portland levels tho>24 packs of water bottles cost 2 dollars, dump water and return bottles for 3 dollars>trash cans torn apart for bottles, leaving trash everywhere >each trash can have 20 euros in it if rip it apart>recycling boxes broken open dailyThe recycling is good but it creates other problems. In a perfect society recycling is just thrown in the recycling bin and you dont pay extra or get anything. This was the creation of poverty. Paying homeless to clean the streets doesn't work. They also walk around bars taking bottles lmao.
>>534864747oh great, I'm sure mr. schlomobergstein is very happy with the millions of taxpayer dollars he sold the deposit machines for. And if you had any reading comprehension you'd see that they're making much more than a dollar an hour.
>>534863763>Money doesn't even go into arming the country militarily, it goes to the fucking Germans.Guess where the money for your dumb WWII reparations will come from.
>>534864170Your country is not filled with Russians unlike Estonia anon so government needs to give incentives in order for many to maintain a social trust tier society.
>>534864617they were impoverished by Russia at one point just like Ukraine is now.
>>534864815>Every time you throw a return bottle in the trashIt's entirely your choice if that's the right place for the item, you fuckwit, you paid for it. On what planet do you have a duty to reclaim a deposit you made? It's your money.
>>534861528This is one big humiliation ritual and time waste, deposit should be canceled and people should just recycle regularly. They making money on bottles the machine can't read.
>>534864944Absolute fucking nigger you are.
>>534864899Germany did not agree to reimburse Poland, tf you talking about. They accepted that Poland's final decision on not accepting reparations was the one Soviet Russia had made on their behalf.
>>534861528We love it in Lithuania. Stop being lazy niggers poisoning enviroment and recycle.
>>534864904>so government needs to give incentivesYou realize that our government is doing the same shit?
>>534864839Over here we use to have a lot of meth addicts use a grinder to cut off people's catalytic convert, this asian guy managed to cut off like 100 in a day, made a couple thousand from platinum
>>534864839This guy gets it.
>>534864957Whoops, intended for >>534864938 but still applicable.
>>534864531China and Russia lack EU-style nationwide deposits. No routine surcharge on drink prices for refunds. These things are such a tiny percent of the price that collecting is pointless. In the EU, it is 10-25%+ visible add-on at checkout, in China/Russia x10 less. The EU basically steals money from people when they buy the product only to turn them into trashmen recovering part of the tax xD
>>534864981Dont forget your mandatory vaccination too, sheeple xD
>>534865009Sucks for you nigger stop buying your kvass goyslop.
>>534861528we had that shit for over 30+ years, big deal, nobody uses it, only alcoholics returning 20 glass bottles at once sometimes do
>>534865059Go back to your rats nest you call Pooland, filthy rat.
>>534865071fun fact ever since the invention of 2l branik in plastic no alcoholic that would return glass bottles buys glass bottles
Wait till your hobos realize they can tie a string around the bottle neck and scan the same bottle several times.Then again, maybe your machines already have that bug fixed.
>>534865006On the bright side, your retarded need to be compliant will kill you with the next vax rollout anyways. I bet you even find a "good" reason to pay for the jab.
>>534864981who is gonna win>5 million retarded lithuanians recycling>or>3 billion jeets and chinks and nogs polluting the world oceansplace your bets
>>534864991I've seen the cali videos. The money in it vs time/effort/risk isn't worth it imo. If your going to do that you might as well buy a coordless anglegrinder and go through the back of businesses cutting down locks.>midnight hits>identity business with no overnight security >cut back locks and prop door open >leave ans watch for 30 min>no police or security response = ur gtgIts really bad to family business though. If its corpo chain slop who gives a fuck. They probably employ non-whites
>>534861528The fact is that these containers are expensive - a professional brewer once said that the most expensive thing in making beer is a beer bottle.But the garbage companies should do it. These trash/whatever firms can be extremely profitable - your local garbage business owner would surely be a part of your local "elite" (if it wasn't kind of a dirty business that is). It seems that there is an ongoing power struggle of who is going to earn big bucks on trash - local trashmen or big corporations (which make all people work for them for free kek).
>>534864910The difference is that Polacks actually worked hard and stayed peaceful after the soviets left.Hohols in the meantime never stopped being the niggers of Europe. No economy, railroads collapsing on themselves, voted in a jew from tv shows as president, started a proxy war and constantly beg for money.>dey dey dey
>>534865158>libtard thinks I care about the planet on not only my own country.
>>534865151Nigger, I didn't even take a single fucking coof test.Not wanting your neighborhood to be a fucking trash pile and being some vaxcattle is not the same.But not being white, this is something far beyond your comprehension.
>>534865192your own country is neighbouring russia and is ruled by women, you wont have it for long, "libtard"
>>534861528And when does your land return system launch, kurwa nigger?
>>534865158>billions of pajeets are shitting up the planet, might as well join them and live in filth, hahaTypical Czech.
>>534865106You must be crazy if you think that there are "better" or "worse" shitholes in the Eastern Europe. Bolanda, Lithuanua, Czechia, Hungary, Romania, all of this is exactly the same neocolonial impoverished shit, low tech, with lowest R&D spendings on the planet, with no global high tech brands, with TFR on the dinosaur extinction level etc etc. All these shitholes are neocolonies of tanking German economy. "Eastern NATO flank", now all these low-tech FDI sweatshops are being gradually turned into a cannon fodder like Ukraine xD
>>534865130That would be a drop fix. If your stealing from the government they go at warp speed to stop you. If your stealing from mom n pop its a non issue. Judeo-government system
>>5348652202 more weeks since 12th century, commie libtard.
>>534865253Speak for yourself, your country is a shithole compared to mine on all levels.
>>534865206>Not wanting your neighborhood to be a fucking trash pileNo sequitur, you dumb fuck. No place here was a trash pile before this deposit shit was introduced. In fact, people here recycled anyways just because they thought it's the right thing to do.You're really just making shit up to have an argument at all. Bet you're actually boostered too.
>>534865306If you say so, i wont burst the bubble you live in xD
I’m just not participating in this.I take out my trash, use public bins, I dump things selectively if needed; but I simply refuse to allocate time and energy for this.A Romanian anon said it’s a humiliation ritual. He’s correct.
>>534864623It's also hilarious to read the blatantly made jp bullshit about pet bottle trash divers and "smell of alcoholics i. front of stores". I remember what our country looked like directly after the fall of the soviet union. The image they paint is exactly as it was back then. As a klaipėdietis the contrast with today is like a utopia.
>>534864862I don't need to read anything, we've had this system here forever and nobody profits from it at 0.1$ per can. Plus I'd rather have a machine sorting my trash than a corrupt bubble head nigger whose 7 cousins suddenly recycle 25 tons of plastic a month while sitting at McDonald's all day long.
In Sveeden we have these washing machine style machines. You just open the hatch and you pour your whole bag in and the machine spins and sorts and scans all the bottles for you.No more touching sticky and gross bottles. No more waiting behind old people that take forever to do it.
>>534861528>get pvc tubes>cut them up to soda bottle size cylinders>make sure that they weight roughly the same>photocopy a recyclable bottle's bar code 100x>clue them to cylinder>infinite money glitch the only trick is to never recycle at the same machine all the time, because staff will notice the crushed pvc cylinders and will look out for you. if jews want to get you jew'd, you have to start jewing them too.
>>534864983So what's the problem? No you cannot blame gypsies and Eastern Euros because the deposit system was introduced before we got flooded with them because trash used to be a huge problem back in the 70's and 80's. Broken glass bottles and rusted cans laying here and there was a good reason to start this system. Fuck retards who say municipalities should just hire people to do that shit for them. Literally "Clean it up Jannie!" attitude where you expect society to bear the costs of your nigger attitude as if it was a right.
>>534865253I think the only country in Europe I'd take Poland over is Moldova, UK(england) or France. You have German prices but Romanian environment. I'm not even including country capitals in the argument because those are dogshit everywhere. Poland bucks because they can't seem to get anything right. How is it that Lviv Ukraine which has mild rocket damage is nicer than any city in your country. Its a absolute embarrassment. The worst part about visiting Ukraine is needing to go to Poland because the Romanian side is aids.
>>534865173They are all fucking swindlers btw. Local garbage men bribe politicians to make you to sort your trash, big corporations want you to sort it and carry it to them.
>>534865471What happens when I pour my bottle of jenkum in it?
>>534864288Trying to civilize Eastern Europe is the new White man's burden
>>534865483Pvc is expensive. There is no effective gypsy tricks to do on the machines desu.
>>534865483>Gives life hack advice on how to juke the deposit machine>flagIt tracks. You can't do that here though because the machines remember the bar code so you can only scan once, or it doesn't count your deposit until it's pushed into the compactor. We got gypsies here as well so the engineers and programmers took that into consideration when designing them.
>>534861528>400€ in a daygive it a while.hunting grounds need to be established.be prepared for bloody turf wars between the drunk and the drugged.as you probably know, we had this shit since I can think for more than 35 years, in urban centers it's an all-out war.It DOES make the streets a lot cleaner and you rarely see broken glass, I gotta admit.
>>534865485>Broken glass bottles and rusted cans laying here and thereNot an issue in Vienna. We have public services here that clean the shit when people decide to have a party in a public space and leave their trash. At no point was PET-bottle trash an issue in Vienna that needed this solution. If anything, shitskins occupying public spaces, spitting everywhere and being hostile is more of a problem than the sort of bottle you have to pay a deposit for.Austrians aren't pigs, we even throw our butt-ends in public ashtrays if they're available or clean the mess up in an appropriate timeframe if we have to.Literally nobody needed an incentive for the poor to treat trashcans like treasure chests.
>>534865542maybe sweden will someday suceed with civilizing you mongoloid subhumans
>>534865523There are slots in the drum so I assume it just pours through into some drain below. But you wouldn't do that though because you're not a nigger right?
>>534865496I am not a NPC patriot. I just try to look at things objectively and rationally. I never been to Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia or Baltic states. The only countries are travel to by car are Czechia and Germany. There is no much difference between Poland and these two countries these days desu. Same shit. Bolanda is horribly infested with Ukrainians compared to these two places tho.
>>534861528>Polan now has pfandPolan colonised by Germany again.Sorry buddy cant help this time
>>534865483Wouldn't work on more modern machine, aside from a laser that scans the bar code there are also cameras that make sure the bottles are empty and have the correct shape. Last time there were maybe 1 dl of liquid left in a bottle and it kept spitting it back out until i emptied it in the sink.
Wait, third world shitholes dont have a return deposit system?
>>534865701>Sweden is widely considered the first country to introduce a national deposit-refund system for plastic PET bottles, launching it in 1984. >pfandPant*
>>534865628you do realize that bottles from the same brand and size have the same bar codes, right? if you buy two bottles of Pepsi they have the same bar codes and you can recycle them both at the same time. also, it's not about the money, it's about sending a message, that's also why I always rip off bottle caps and throw them away. if you force me to participate in a goyim humiliation ritual, don't expect me to keep smiling.
Ultimately I think the issue is that Poles are desperate to appear rich now that their economy is booming, so they think that they're above doing pleb shit like recycling bottles. They ee it as a job for hobos and migrants. Here everyone returns bottles and thinks the system is neat, and the fact that alcoholics and bums have something constructive to do with their bottles is only a bonus.
>>534865761All my friends who been to China claim that the West looks like a 3rd world shithole compared to it. I must travel there myself finally and check it out. I think this GeeDeePee measure is already a total bullshit
>>534865797>that's also why I always rip off bottle caps and throw them away.What would Adolf say if he saw you doing that?
>>534861862This system was in place for years already, it jut got expanded. Stories of people paying for a trip back from concert by collecting bottles, except now it's EU regulation or something. Get a grip bolanda poster.
>>534865823Asians are weird about trash. Apparently in Japan you can't find trash bins almost anywhere and you just have to carry everything until you get home.
>>534863393Recycling is actually inherently gross.Plastics that have been reused multiple times, your covid facemask, once a dirty diaper, the coke bottle you just bought used to be someones pissbottle, the straws that you use have been up some freaks ass.Its actually disgusting and we should make recycling illegal. We should use generative materials, things we can grow.Paper bags not plasticWooden strawsStuff like that
>>534865827UwU sowwy daddy Hitler, but the jewish poo poo heads are forcing me to do this :s
>>534865884There was no vending machines and losers pushing cans to them tho, so it wasnt so visible as it is now. I never got any money for nillions of beer bottles i bought because i always considered it humiliating and only drunkards and smelly bums do such things
>>534863327that is a nice compliment anon
>Eastern Euro way of rebelling is tearing bottle caps offlmaoif that is their most radical show of resistance then I think EU will be just fine
>>534865932Spiritually you belong in India or a number of other shitholes where they love to rape and destroy nature.
>>534862286The other day I paid half of my beer with refund coupon, it felt like I was getting a customer loyalty reward :)
>>534866054it's biodegradable, you dumb muslim gorilla nigger.
>>534865649yeah you do, you're as filthy as everyone else, seethe and cope. You must be joking with that shit>all austrians are saints, all the timel m a o
>>534861958it's even better when you see all that sorting in action.Witness the dudes collecting it all coming with ONE (1) vehicle and dumping it all in.Their secret?"so basically we dump it in different containers on the vehicle but meh it doesn't really matter it all gets burnt anyways"Their reasoning for that being that you seperate the trash in layers so there's different temps in different areas while burning it, so you can optimize for exhaust and energy created.There is nobody paid here for digging through trash. Batteries are extra because they can cause a small explosion in the pile, you can bet it just happens anyways and there's contingency for that. So for me, it all goes in the "other" bin.
>>534865797Well guess our machines are just mire advanced because you can't scan the same bottle twice on the same machine. I'm sure the rest of Hungary really appreciates you throwing plastic shit around wherever you please. >>534865897This is apparently due to Japanese cultural emphasis on personal responsibility for one owns trash. Then there's a security concern because of the suicide cult that sarin gass attacked the Tokyo subways using trashcans to hide the devices. My friend who was visiting Tokyo once asked about it and accidentally slightly offended their hotel manager when he got this answer. He retorted with kind of a smart-ass question asking if this does not inconvenience people who are tourists or just visiting (considering they don't have a trashcan close by they can dump their shit in). The manager apparently gave him a sarcastic chuckle and advised him to carry a bag plastic with him and avoid using too many waste products while out.
>>534863758Mohhamad no. Germans yesOur goverments is PO(o) = thry suck off german jewsAnd sometimes PiS(s) that sucks off american jewsNormal poles always have to suck up for that
>>534863215with the bottles, unless you buy whole crates because you're not a filthy urbanite like me, the plan is to just put them outside in the first place. You finance the needy, create incentive to "clean up" (a.k.a. throw all the trash back on the road to fish for bottles) and can do it while leaving for work. If you drink outside like a real human, even better, just put the bottles up somewhere in sight.Especially the 0,08€ glass bottles (200g a piece) nobody in their right mind collects at home, unless it's a whole 20x crate and you come with a car. Cans is another story, I have no fucking idea why they make them 0,25€ instead of the heavier bottles. All the Pfandhunters now are incentivised to leave the bottles right there, which is quite a shame. Bottles should be 0,50€, and cans like 0,10€
>>534866186>all austrians are saints, all the timeYea, I love my people. Germans used to know what that's like.
>1990's - handing over bottles >2026's -deposit return systemWe definitely become richer. In obfuscation language.
>>534861528German GermanLives like verminHis grandfathers turned jews to ashNow he dwells in a pile of trashWelcome to being East Germany.
less litter is bad according to this russian jew in poland
>>534865769>We were filth worshipping recycling degenerates first.Not exactly a flex anon.Recycling should be illegal its a disgusting humiliation ritual.
>>534862420you're so close, just flip your flag
>>534866126>Plastics>Biodegradable At this point you're just being an edge lord or you're actually proud of being a destructive gypsy who doesn't care if can't even amount to shit.
>>534864631and Goymans are actually cucked enough to go through with it as well.
>>534866355ive seen several posts coming from the infinite jeet or muslim migrant angle before. in regards to whatever minor inconvenience this is, a broken clock can be right twice a day.
I won't do it. I told my wife just throw the bottles away I don't need to haul trash around and perform this humiliation ritual just to get 3 euros back. But she will. Women love to conform and engage in performative virtue signaling.
>>534866401you think he wouln't introduce a deposit system?
>>534862884>Should have bought the returning machines here, we have decades of experience in this cuckery.you say that and our goddamn fuckthing niggermachines never work properly.The workflow is easy>accept can/bottle>weigh to determine which one it is>turn until barcode is found>scan>if ok, accept>if not, refusemeanwhile, in the real world:>this machine only accepts cans (against the law, but okay)>OUR STORE DOESN'T HAVE THIS PRODUCT (also illegal, and mostly just mis-scan)>PLEASE GO SLOWER>NO I WON'T TURN THE CAN YOU DO IT>CAN'T READ BARCODE>PRODUCT NOT RECOGNIZEDThe machines are the actual humiliation ritual. I member when it was humans doing it.>50 cans here ya go
>>534866489Still i hope russia nukes warsaw so the rest of Poland can rebuild wihout jewish politicans destroying everything...
>>534866574that's one thing i think we can all agree on in our respective countries.
>>534863034since I watched one youtube video titled "why poland is the only country still using 'xD' " I see it everywhere. It makes you look retarded, albeit it's kinda cute.
>>534866574>live in what is now one of the nicest countries in the world>"i hope someone nukes us"
>>534866646you're just reading his spam over and over
ale ty jestes czlowieku pierdolniety, zywy przyklad z powodu ktorego ucieklem z tego kurwidolka
>>534861528>>534861958We had this in fingolia for decades, its a great system, no bottles laying anywhere for more than a couple days
>>534864623>Gypsies struggle with the concept of not littering Are you surprised?
>>534865903enjoy your Yoghurt in paper you fucking idiotshit would cost 3x what it costs now, if you have a FUBAR in production with plastic you hose it down and are done, now imagine that shit when everything is glass.Mass production uses plastic for a reason. I agree we would have a smaller footprint on the earth if every container would be recyclable and from durable material, but that would lower profits, so here we are.
>>534866539He would be smart enough to know that Austrian/Germans don't need it to do the right thing and that it only incentivizes dumpster diving.It's not even something you need to make any guesses about. Both our countries have been recycling for decades now without needing to practically pay people to rip open trashbags for a couple of cents to get a handle on residential waste.
>>534865903>Recycling is actually inherently gross.>Plastics that have been reused multiple times, your covid facemask, once a dirty diaper, the coke bottle you just bought used to be someones pissbottle, the straws that you use have been up some freaks assThe same thing applies to the water cycle nigga what's your point?Every drop of water was cum at some point.
>>534866748we're going to ban glass soon because you can't have people maiming eachother without a glassing loicence
>>534866769if that were true there wouldn't be any deposit bottles in residential waste (and there hardly are) your whole argument doesn't make sense lol
>>534866660I dont live in warsawAnd everybody that can think here that is not from "stolyca" wish for its destruction as its nest of jews and faggots
>>534861528>Polands deposit return system (kaucja) was launched last yearHoly fuck "xd" retard kill yourself already or get a youtube channel and leave
>>534866748Plastic should be banned entirelyPaper should not be recycled.Like I said in an earlier post, we should be simply using generative resources rather than reusing someone elses disgusting used item.>but things would cost more.And? I dont care.Recycling is disgusting and I genuinely think you're subhuman if you're pro recycling.
>>534867014It was you nigger
>>534862828You're already losing if its a system like in the states. They charge you 0.15-0.25 in the US and your "refund" is 0.05 lol, ask any bottling company what they actually pay. Game was rigged from the start.
>>534867053>a pussy calling others subhumanyou must have been insanely pampered as a child
>>534867053I think we should recycle jews in to ashAm i disgusting for thinking that???
>>534863606Just 3 months before this shit show, you could just throw all plastic and cans in the yellow bin bags and they get collected once a month. That actually was an improvement and even if it's a pain to keep all this shit at least it was a bit easier. Then immediately that gets cancelled and all this bullshit starts and makes everything more difficult again. Well fuck off, and I'm sick of all the god damned brown people scavenging everywhere, this is Weimar style economic policy in action. The EU is completely fucked beyond words and we need to leave immediately
>>534867215Ash no.However the whole lampshades and soap claim the jews make is so obviously fake.That is disgusting, who the fuck would buy that? Nobody would.I dont want jewskin lamp in my house.>>534867196You worship filth, you find morality out of using someone elses waste.You are actually revolting
>>534866903>there wouldn't be any deposit bottles in residential wasteThat's a stupid reframing. As if "the right thing" can only be to comply with this new system. Goycattle reasoning.Vienna, for one, already had trashcans for plastic waste and people used it just fine. Except now, you have bums raiding those for Euro or two, so what's the improvement? The bottles were already in the proper trashcan - and no, the 1-2 that landed in the general waste bin don't matter that much. That trash too gets seperated eventually anyways.
>>534861528I hate their faces, ugly mongolian half breeds are tainting my country.
arent you supposed to do bottom first?
>>534867320lmao, you're even too pampered to use proper arguments. Saying a wrong thing twice doesn't make it true, kiddo
>>534867403these asiatic subhumans never heard of a jawline and a chin, or good haircut, its pathetic
>>534867303>I'm sick of all the god damned brown people scavenging everywhereSame. The whole thing is a third-world solution for our third-world replacement population.
>>534861528i dont' get the issue, without it you would have bottles and ukrainians laying around, with it you only have ukrainians laying around
>>534861528Niggers and junkies got my favorite milk removed from my grocery store. The farm had grocery stores give customers $1 for every bottle they returned, so these parasites started taking bottles of milk to the bathroom where they'd pour it down the drain and return the bottles for cash.
These stupid 'cash for bottles' bullshit just means every fucking bin in the city gets raided hourly by asians and homeless people.Why the fuck aren't there locks on public bins to stop these creeps from grabbing everyone's trash?
>>534861528Is Poland catching up to rest of civilized world?
>>534867553>public binsthe homeless going through the garbage will automatically sort the trash for free
>>534861528nicei wonder if people are now buying bottles at a discount from residents
>>534867578Yeah, except the homeless get money for it, which they spend on crack and booze so they can harass even more people.It's just a way for the state to make the common man's life even worse.
>>534866390>>534864379I understand how the system is supposed to work. It doesn't. You can't teach gypsies and untermensch anything. My personal actions do nothing to remedy the situation.However, what would be the alternative to throwing out bottles, or to leaving them out on the street? And how could the smell-question be addressed? It's just retarded policy which disrupts my civilized, aristocratic way of life. I will crush cans before throwing them out moving forward, if I can't get my way, fuck the world!
>>534867616gotta keep them busy with a lot of garbage cans to go through, thats why recycling shit yourself is retarded
>>534867616>Leave your home, trashbag in hand>Walk to the yard where the bins are>Run into some poor sod who is rummaging through your old trashBlows my mind how people here argue that this would be an improvement.
>>534864531Hey mutt, tell me again why it is necessitated by policy to have homeless men bin-diving everywhere? And why it is likewise necessitated that all stores in metrolocations reek of wine and piss?How about we stay the vasals of germans but DONT get forced into turning our cities into pigstys?
>>534867743what kind of a shithole area do you live in where thats even a possibility lmao?
>>534867616They wouldn't stop being homeless even if you took that tiny income from them
>>534867455>If you dont worship filth you are pampered.Lmao go eat shit jeet.
I remember one New Years I was taking a bus and passing a bin for tech and metal. Dude was stuck in there so far only his legs were visible, he wasn't moving and was hanging limp. It was around -10 degrees. I hope he died.
>>534864623Mind you, we had a similar system of recycling back on the communist days, when all liquid containers were made of glass, and we turned them in when getting new ones to avoid paying a fee.Back on the days when milk, juice and alchohol was stored in glass containers and not in plastic bottles.The system today is a tax system in disguise for 'saving the planet'
>>534861958Not to mention the 300 million euro of bottles that will never be returned. This is the core of the scam. At least there are fewer bottles on the streets and it keeps the lowlifes busy.
>>534867835That's the thing, it isn't filth. You're just pampered, as I said. When you wash your hands, do you still think they are filthy? What about the water cycle? Do you use tap water? How do you justify that? It's filthy, no? You failed to produce an argument AGAIN, little princess
>>534861528Good, better than having bottles everywhere.
>>534861862Honestly better than them still getting cheap booze anyway and leaving everywhere they drink littered with glass and cans.
>>534867980No I dont drink tap water.Are you poor? Can you genuinely not afford to get a filter?Yes using someone elses used plastics is gross, it makes you a bottom feeder.Enjoy your bottle that was previously used to store jenkem tho
>>534867817>what kind of a shitholeWe have people dumpster diving all over Vienna, whereever there are lots of people and thus chances to find some "loot" in the bins. Think every hospital in Vienna, every well-frequented public place where people sit down to have a drink, etc. The only reason you're asking your retarded question is that your incompetent shithole hasn't managed to introduce the program yet. Supposedly, it should start this year in the Czech Republic.
>>534868110>things pampered little princesses sayadorable
