just no Gretta Thumberg , shut up bitch.
>>534875447>tl;drClub of Rome
the jews did this probably
>ERMAGERDMan... Life looked brighter back then.I was actually able to convince myself that I was doing just fine lmao
>>534875620You mean Jews lie about, that people can climate change? and then you can tax them for, charge money for activities , sell useless shit and so on... Jews do that we know it . That would be red pill about jew rats
This is why and how climate change
>>534875447But anyway, to answer your question...>Solar activity us cyclical>Increases/decreases in pressure on Earth's magnetosphere effect the metal-containing "hot shit" beneath the crust.>Right now, increasing solar activity is causing picrel to happen>Richfags have decided humanity should pay taxes for that And there you have it. Also, "Environmental damage" (NOT global warming) caused by corporate greed and non-white apathy will be classified as "global warming" regardless, so that you can be taxed more.
>>534875785Same
>>534875447It's happening. It's the result of human population growth and industrial activity. Nobody, outside of maybe China, wants to engineer megaprojects to preserve technological society.
>>534875447Climate change is beyond human control.If the planet felt like tipping its axis a bit, we would be in a perpetual ice age, if some fuckhuge asteroid disturbed our orbit only slightly, we would burn to death.No amount of paper straws will undo one day of Indian or Chink pollution, it's all a tax grift.
>>534875995
>>534876088Oh shit, catalogue's just gone down. We're trapped here kek.
>>534875785me too, I was believing in everything I told
>>534875447Humans are too primitive on the kardeshev scale to cause global warming.
>>534875447Thought it was a dragonball
>Population is the biggest threat to life on this planet we are facingAll Western countries drop below replacement rate with populations trending downward. Import infinite immigrants from places with high birth rates to countries that have strong social nets and welfare that will allow those rates to climb back up.>Global warming is the biggest threat to life on this planetBuild infinite datacenters consuming 50-100 Mw power, boiling thousands of gallons of water each day. Ignore everything politicians say.
>>534875447Who the fuck puts pepper on their fried-eggs?
Its a scam to make western wealthy consumers pay more for the eco products, once old is deemed illegal due to being environmentally unsuitable the goy goes and buys the latest more expensive climate scam item and it goes on forever in a loop.
>>534876150are you surprised or something? didn't you knew where you live? it is old knowledge before kids did time in school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUeo5sagkAin video everything moves by free energy accept horses and dude on bicycleFirst cars was electrical ones, but you could drive them only in the city with wireless electricity provided .
>>534875447I read a meta study on global warming predictions.The short version is that the median predictions is mild warming over periods of time longer than human life spans. No one will notice global warming.The real reason its pushed so much is that we need to conserve fossil fuel. Not stop using them, conserve them. Efficiency. It will keep us out of wars and keep our economies going. Why the end of the world cult? Well dummies are going to have less energy and higher taxes. Dummies wont like that because it will make them poorer. So they need to be told they are saving the world. Visit reddit to see how it works first hand.
>>534876804Oh and same with sea level rising. It predicted to be imperceptible.
>>534876652my mom told that black pepper helps to absorb nutrients
AIR POLLUTION IS GOOD FOR YOU PUT MERCURY IN YOUR DRINKING WATERREMEMBER INDUSTRIAL WASTE IS HEALTHY AND GOODAHORT TERM GAINS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN A FUNCTIONAL ENVIRONMENTBE A GOOD GOY AND SUPPORT HYPERINDUSTRIALIZATION
>>534876888Also if we can all just consume 50% less of everything we can double the number of people in our nations via immigration. I mean that's just the right thing to do.
>>534876862Your mom sounds like a great person (unironically)
>>534875447>goy all you need to know is that you need to make sacrifices through co2 tax, social credit and not owning shit so the billion and trillion aires can build some more datacenters to monitor how well you are being good cattle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVu9GjiGNug
>>534876888So true fellow redditor! r/TakeTheBooster >>534877088you might be onto something....
>>534875447just do astronomy nigga lmao
>>534875447>no Gretta ThumbergWhy not? It's such a lovable potato
>>534876888Better quality of air is good but we shouldn't be committing an economic suicide over the naturally changing climate. Environmentalism and climate hysteria are two different things
>>534876888>just sacrifice your standard of living because shitskin indians are burning mountains of tyres every day*delets egr**removes dpf*'No.'
>>534875447Jewish lie.Jews lying about global warming to steal money if you disagree you are jewish and dont belong in /pol/
>>534875447The actual reality of climate change is that recorded human history has happened on the tail end of a geological Ice Age that is slowly ending. Likewise, the American west was settled during an unusually wet era of much more rain than that area usually gets, a well timed couple centuries of increased rainfall that made it more liveable than normal.These conditions are changing, making places that were build on certain assumptions suffer because those conditions are no longer true.This is not to say that mankind is blameless: us draining the aquifers and shit is still entirely our fault, and while greenhouse gasses/pollution might not be the core cause of everything its still accellerating the problem.The climate IS changing. Thats indisputable, we know it to be true. Much of it isn't our fault, but some of it is, and more importantly it doesn't *matter* if we are "to blame" or not, we still need to deal with the reality of the events than are happening. That means rebuilding, or perhaps even outright moving, cities to reflect the fact that they are becoming unlivable. We can't save Los Angeles in any way that is reasonable and doesn't require us to sacrifice multiple other states resources just to make believe that LA is capable of functioning where it is. We need to abandon the city and build a new one elsewhere. Other places are likewise going to have to adapt their infrastructure to better prepare themselves for changing weather conditions: we cities on the coat need to be build to withstand the more frequent and more powerful hurricanes that are already happening. We need more forestry programs that manage our wilderness to mitigate the increase in forest fires, either with controlled burns or other infrastructure to create firebreaks to prevents them from spreading as far.And so on. Its not about playing some bullshit blame game, its abotu setting ourselves up to minimize the harm of something thats going to happen whether we like it or not.
>>534876143retards have arrived itt
>>534876804>fossil fuelspelled hydrocarbons wrong
all one needs to do is look at the movement of the magnetic poles to understand
>>534875447The climate is changing, it has always changed, that's what it does, it changes.Ice ages, tropical temperatures in Northern Europe, rain forests where there are now desserts. The idea that the climate is, or should be, static is fucking retarded and only retards believe it.It'd be like believing there could never have been a Western Interior Seaway because it's not there now and Kansas is in the way. Then, because they're unimaginative temporally challenge retards, some dishonest evangelical book thumper comes along and start spreading tectonic alarmism, saying that geological movement is demonstrative of God's displeasure at humanity and only by donating more to the church will we find a way to quell his anger.
>>534877888If you are a Good Boy, Greta will let you sniff one of her sandals.
>>534875447The red pill is that it's already far far too late to do anything about this. Fossil fuels are an accelator on a whole feedback that will leave us like the goddamn traissic in 100 years.We could have stopped this on the 70s but boomers wanted cheaper shit.
>>534878667the entire planet is a furnace. Humans couldn't prevent a geological event if they wanted to.One massive volcano spews more trash than 50 years of global human activity.
>>534878491can you give some examples of rapid climate change from the past, with similar rate of change as is now occurring? Also, can you identify the cause of the current change? Thanks
>>534878667>Fossil fuels are just a tiny percentage of overall hydrocarbonsftfy>are an accelator on a whole feedbackthe earth is dominated by negative feedback systems that keep things in checkthe positive feedback loop of doom is an artifact of human made models, has never been proven, only disproven
>>534878775>can you give some examples of rapid climate change from the past,does this retard seriously think this never happened in the past?we literally found wooly mammoths with undigested food in their frozen friggin bellies, retardthat's far, far more rapid than anything we have experienced>Also, can you identify the cause of the current change?the wandering and waning of the earth's magnetic fields quite easily comes out as the obvious causebut since the globohomo GCMs disregard this fact, idiots that dont understand the physics of the situation wind up believing fake and gay things
>>534875447we're emerging out of a small ice age and jews use the average 0.5% temperature change as an excuse to extract even more wealth from the goyim
>>534878775Not my problem. Im not reducing my life style so that it can be gobbled up by immigrants.If we really were trying to save the environment that would be one thing, but we arnt.
the only people who tell you to be against climate initiatives are boomers and corporations who want to keep their unsustainable practices at the expense of future generations
>>534878775No, and neither can you fuckwit. Because we know damn well all your data is contrived, fake and gay. You hockey stick graph is and always has been a fraud that even its own author refuses to defend.
>>534878956cool it with the name calling. All I did was ask you a couple of questions. Just to double check, you have no scientific papers on analogs to the current warming, and no scientific papers on how earth's magnetic fields are causing the current change?
>>534875447climate change is a meme to make the west uncompetitive with unrealistic emissions targets.
>>534879285Science is for sale.t. Scientist.I was never so disillusioned as during covid. Science is not real.
>>534879127well the best analog is probably the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) of 56 million years ago. Though warming today is occurring over a shorter time period.
>>534875447Easy. Every single graph is intentionally misleading, ergo fake. Do not trust a graph without a datatable, standard deviation, and N value.
>>534879495My neighbors are putting solar panels on their roofs. Suckers.
>>534879494what kind of science do you practice and do you see the problem as applying to all of science, or only to specific disciplines? Is the problem how funding dollars are allocated, or something else?
>>534875447WeatherSimple as
>>534879101how does saudi arabia still have the same wells feeding the world all this time?according to you guys it was supposed to run out decades ago
>>534879425chinks want you living in caves if your country is to have any industrial capacity.your only purpose will be to bolster 'per capita' metrics.
>>534879584Biological science. All science is affected. The money dictates what is investigated and what the results should be.Covid vaccines were safe and effective despite everyone getting covid and their symptoms were not any milder. Science cannot be trusted. Its corrupted.
>>534876143Found the jew
>>534879584The problem is spineless institutionalists being the only ones who make a living wage. Not good money mind you, a mild salary. As a result the situation is either push dogma or enjoy not feeding your children.
>>534875447Giant scam to destroy Western economies, first to benefit the USSR, and now to enrich China.Just look at Germany (kek at your memeflag). They enslaved their economy to Russia by shutting down all their nuclear power plants and sucking on that sweet cheap Russian gas pipeline, and now that Russia is le bad (protip: it always was le bad, but the Germans ignored that), the German economy can't compete.
>>534879285>Just to double check, you have no scientific papers on analogs to the current warmingThe temperature record is there for all to see, but obviously since you are appealing to authority as a means of truth, this doesnt count for your meme purposes.But you're low IQ enough that you dont seem to have recognized that Climategate was a thing and it revealed Gavin Schmidt & Michael Mann shitting their pants that the warming trend completely disappeared and then they cheered when they came up with a trick to hide the decline in the warming trend. (Literally their words)So to recap, when omitting a bunch of solar inputs via a stripped bare TSI where T isnt total as implied and using this gaping hole in the equations to fill in a massively overinflated GHG coefficient just wasnt enough to keep the meme going,They used Mike's trick to hide the decline that you see right in your graph there - stop using real temps altogether, only use Temp Anomaly, then fuck with the baseline so that every year is now the hottest evah.>and no scientific papers on how earth's magnetic fields are causing the current change?You're just using several logical fallacies here, implying that because I didnt go dig up scientific papers on this, that it doesnt exist and nobody believes it.It is known that a weaker magnetic field allows more solar particles in as well as more cosmic raysReminder that once the cosmic rays could no longer be ignored and the IPCC tried including them in their v6 models, they broke so badly that they completely stopped referencing them.This directly tells you that the GCMs are incomplete and do not predict reality, they are merely suggestion sandboxes that are incomplete on purposeThis is why EVERY SINGLE PREDICTION the GCMs have made have been wrong and have not come to pass>but we still hit some datapoints from the old models here and thereKnown incomplete models. Do you understand what this means?Doesnt seem like it.
>>534879703And what about you? How do you get funding dollars if you're not playing the game? Do you publish papers? There must be some scientists with integrity.
>>534879932The US blew up the gas pipeline.
>>534879995I do whatever im paid to do. So to circle back, science is for sale.
>>534879584Is your head really that deep in the sand that you are unaware of the reproducibility problem with scientific papers?
>>534877888nice full housenever seen that one before, saved, thanks
>>534879995What do you call a scientist with integrity? I dont know either but you dont call them a scientist.
>>534879625breddy simple, the earth churns up hydrocarbons
>>534879982So they're manipulating the data, but not well enough to match their models. Got it.
>>534880078>What do you call a scientist with integrity?banned from the platforms
>>534880002Ze Germans claim to have tracked down the Ukrainian team that did it, and even tried prosecuting two of them. LOL, it's a legitimate act of war, you krautfags, next time maybe don't contribute to the economy of a cuntry that is hostis humani generis.
>>534880052I am aware of the replication crisis.>>534880033so you fudge numbers deliberately?
>>534880191It was the US. Everyone knows it.
>>534880230Yes im afford a lot of leeway to get the job done. Im a quality lead.
>>534875447I live in Phoenix and I am afraid of dying of heat stroke I think its the data centers. This is the first year we really have a LOT of these. The problem is the desert should never have solar panels covering all the ground because it sucks in heat and magnifies solar energy. We could get the first ever 130F day. Data Centers are basically heat generators.
>>534875447Every weather patter that matches their hypothesis is climate change™Every weather pattern that goes against it is an anomaly.Wild and crazy predictions that don't come true are because they somehow averted it.
>>534880148>circa 2004lolso you arent even aware that GISS was a black box that churned out data from extremely sparse measurement and extrapolated it all over the poles?and used measurements from the antarctic peninsula to show how the whole of antarctica was critically warming?not even aware of the tricks, being entirely incurious...shocked, shocked I tell youso do you agree with NASA that humans have overtaken the sun as the primary driver of the earth's climate? (Hansen, 2002)
>>534875447+2C by 2100. We'll have solved most of the man made issues by mid century.
>>534875447The quick rundown is that temperate and CO2 levels fluctuate naturally but they started increasing hundreds of times faster than the natural rate of change at the exact same time humans started burning large amounts of fossil fuels, and every organization telling you this isn't a problem is financially tied to the fossil fuel industry in some way.
>>534880385>but they started increasing hundreds of times faster than the natural rate of change at the exact same time humans started burning large amounts of fossil fuelsfactually incorrectnot that climate tards have such limits on what they believe
>>534880148>So they're manipulating the data, but not well enough to match their models. Got it.Eventually the data diverges enough from the fake-and-gay models that they have to come up with new models. That's the whole point of a model.There is a very old saying in the science community: "All models are wrong. Some models are useful." This is how we went from the Bohr atom to the modern electron cloud model. You learn from your mistakes and fix some of them and eventually you find new mistakes and try to come up with models that fix those.The difference in the "Climate Change!!!!!!!!!" community is that they deliberately hardcode falsities into their "models", like the infamous University of East Anglia "hockey stick" model that had a literal incrementing counter in the code that caused "the temperature" to go up infinitely. And they refused to release their model code so that people who couldn't figure out why this wasn't happening could figure out why their model said this would happen when it wasn't.And then one day, some bright lad in their program said "fuck it, imma blow the whistle on these liars!" and sent everything to Wikileaks, and the world was enlightened about the fraud from the U-of-EA's "climate change" program.
>>534880385>every organization telling you this isn't a problem is financially tied to the fossil fuel industryor chinese
>>534880242I am fine with it either way. Hell, if I could have done it myself, I would have, but I don't have the diving skills or the access to explosives necessary.
>>534880548>Ukraine does not currently operate conventional, manned submarines. Their previous sole submarine, the 1970-vintage Zaporizhzhia, was captured by Russia in 2014.Also Ukraine doesnt have a coast anywhere near where that pipeline. The US blew it up and it was an act of war against the EU.I actually quite like Trump. Now everyone sees the US the way I always saw it. Our enemy.
>Climate changeReal>Primarily human-drivenFalse>Human-contributedAbsolutely>Pollution100% human-driven>How do I reduce personal contribution?Unnecessary for the average person. Average people COLLECTIVELY contribute less than 1% of global CO2 emissions. Just stop buying plastic and things wrapped in plastic>What is the primary driver?Cosmological conditions outside of our control
>>534880498add to that, Keith Briffa did some severe cherry picking of the Yamal dataset that was used to come up with that farcical hockey stickit took a professional Statistician to point out the severe abuses of statistical methods that the IPCC used as their bedrockas of 2018 the IPCC still had not employed a single pro tier statistician in their modeling and reporting
>>534880809>The US blew it up and it was an act of war against the EU.its beyond me why people act like there's no internationalist component to thisglobohomo does not belong to any nation, and it has employees in nearly every nationglowniggers blew up nordstream
>>534881030>Absolutely, its just so small we still havent been able to measure itftfy
>>534875447Climate change is very real and it has happened all throughout the earth’s history. BUT it is not man made.
>>534875447>>534881267It’s a natural process, especially since earth is exiting a glacial maxima. We just need to learn to live with it.
>>534880809You don't need a coast, nor do you need a submarine. Either a ROV or a couple of divers jumping off a boat could place the explosives easily -- which is what ze Germans decided had happened.FFS the linear shaped charge needed to do it is only a few kilograms including the frame. I know more than enough about explosives to build one and I've barely skimmed "Fundamentals of Shaped Charges" by W. Walters and J. Zukas, downloadable from your friendly neighborhood pirate ebook site such as LibGen or ZLib. This might even be a link to it, or maybe it's just a bibliography list:https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA469696.pdf
>>534875447the only two thing that matters is 1. that the heating caused by carbon dioxide is logarimithic and we've been past the point of rapid heating before the 21st century. 2. the hotter the day the more cooling that happens at night so it all really doesnt fucking matter. it's all a psyop meant to abuse people who dare to not understand math. if you place all the mathematical facts in your head though you can see that global warming is not a big deal... there is one insidious detail though. as the sun runs out of hydrogen it uses helium instead (helium is a byproduct of hydrogen fusion) which causes the sun to be more luminous... therefore hotter. this means that it is objectively getting way too fucking hot but not because of global warming or anything manmade. the solution is to colonize mars. our timescale for such a project? 500 million years minimum. one billion years maximum. dont worry though, because as nietzsche said, this world has a way of making it so a man never gets what he wants so youre better off not wanting to colonize mars.
>>534881407We've only got five billion years until the Sun becomes a red giant. Better get moving.
>>534875447Climate changes all the time naturally. The Earth has been in the don swing of a glacial period (Ice Age) for a while. All of the carbon human activity is putting back into the atmosphere was already in the atmosphere at some point in Earth's history. The carbon is good for plant and algae life anyway. The changes in weather can be chalked up to the El Nino/La Nina cycle (~10-15 years each) being overblown by the media to create panic. It's a big gay nothing being used by bad actors. The real problems are deforestation and habitat destruction, be a conservationist NOT and "environmentalist"
>>534881399>its no big deal to jump off the boat and dive to that depth to place the chargeslol, lmaoare there tards that really believe this?
>>534879101>what if we de-industrialise ourselves, tax the poor to death and install global communism for nothing
>>534881407>that the heating caused by carbon dioxide is logarimithicayyyyyhere let me fix that for you>the heat capacity of co2 is log and once saturated its not absorbing any more
>>534877888kek
>>534876283kek >>534876337based
>>534881247We have, in fact, measured it, and it is quantifiable. It's just incredibly negligible to the point they actively avoid publishing the information in a transparent way because people wouldn't pay taxes to be depopulated if they saw the math
>>534875447Nothing is as bad as the media ever makes it out to be. If the media didn't sensationalize everything reported, no one would watch. There you go anon. I just answered not just your climate change question, but also any questions you might have had about all news reports. Any new virus, any new war, the economy, all of it. You're welcome fag. Ly.
>>534875447coming from an ice-age into a warm-agesimple as
>>534881693is carbon dioxide not like everything else and it just emits the infared once it has a bunch of it and therefore emits it into space or are you imagining the carbon dioxide greedily hoarding the infared like a boomer hoarding houses
>>534877746astronomy , means give a names to the lights in the sky I thing all lights in the sky are already named amped out and logistics registered
>>534878213just say Jews and everything else: lie, cheat, steal are already included on the menu. Kek
>>534879681>a worrying trendwhat is the problem with this?seems comfy, cheap and it fucks over landlord cartelsah, i see why this is a (((problem)))
>>534875995We have exceeded that cycle's normal effects, though. Look into more than just what confirms your bias.
>>534875447They have been really quiet about it recently. Seems like the pressure on the normalshits is too high with the still climbing petrol prices
>>534882107>a foid trying to be funnydisgusting... criminal even
>>534878248>Ice Age that is slowly ending.You missed that, do you ?>>534875995 <-- watch watch
REMINDER: All mass immigration issues in developed countries are rooted in climate change, and we were warned it was going to happen 20+ years ago, but we chose to listen to oil/coal propaganda instead of doing anything while we still had a chance.
>>534875447A bullshit way to cover up pole shift AND used by ccp to offload money into china (money and they saw it stupidly as "power").
>>534878667>Fossil fuelsYou need to eat some red pills about energy hoax.Admit that you have bin doing time in school? there is no crud oil under aground Jews lie about it
>>534882098probably better than being homeless.
>>534878958>we're emerging out of a small ice agewatch this:>>534875995
>>534880809>>534881399>Walters and ZukasApparently it's available on archive.org as a free download now:https://archive.org/details/FundamentalsOfShapedCharges>>534881625Try not to be a stupid nigger. It requires deep-diving skills but that's about it. There is nothing fundamentally difficult about it. There are tens of thousands of idiots who dive to that depth just for fun, not to mention the hundreds of thousands who do it for work, INCLUDING THE RUSSIANS WHO BUILT THE PIPELINE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Or did you think the Russians airdropped the thing out of an Antonov An-225 (which they had to rent from Ukraine, and subsequently blew up to prevent the feat from being replicated)?And the shaped charges are fucking trivial. You take a metal half-box channel with some holes drilled in the center (for detonator wiring), bend it into a semicircle, set some detonators in it with the wiring hanging out through the holes, fill it about 3/4ths with spicy putty, then press the spicy putty into a "V" shape. Weight is perhaps 20kg at most, and you can compensate for that in the water with buoyancy airbags. Dive down with it, add a timer, and swim back to the ship before it blows.It was blown up at a depth of 80 meters which is challenging but not impossible. Just hire absolutely anyone who has worked on underwater pipeline welding. . . .
>>534882496i would go full hobbit mode, if not everything was owned by either boomers or blackrock
>>534879425>climate change is a memelucrative one, everything that is lucrative also is real. kek
>>534879508good advice ...did you whatched this: >>534875995
>>534875447Global warming is real, and it is to a certain extent man made. It'd be more accurate to say that human action is aggravating existing trends and that there is a risk that if global temperatures rise too much there could be runaway effects which can't be easily managed and could be extremely catastrophic. The problem is that the political left has been using it as an excuse to push for authoritarian policies and the political right has been assuming that since the political left has been exaggerating and misrepresenting the problem, the problem doesn't exist. There is this mistaken impression that because the media reports wildly incorrect things about climate change, the science behind it is false. Greta, for her part, is actually surprisingly good about getting the science right, even if her proposed solutions are awful.
>>534882663>blackrock hates him for this one simple trick
>>534883083i'm a bit jelly, ngl
>>534883032Watch this, official pol academy confirmed as based:>>534875995
>>534883178So we went from>it's not realto>it's real but not caused by usto>it's real but we're only causing it to a certain extentOkay I guess it's settled. Anyway gonna go back to seething about how boomers left the world in the worst possible state for us while I call buy into globohomo fracking and oil lobbying propaganda and call solar woke
>>534883032>bug action is aggravating existing trendsftfy
>>534882231If that's true, why are there climate refugees from Syria but not Israel?REMINDER: Big oil and plastic are almost entirely responsible for the falsehood that is recycling. You're an idiot for thinking they aren't making a killing on climate change hysteria.P.S. This is how the IPCC is run. Their intention isn't to resolve or alleviate climate change, but to enrich themselves off of 1st world nations who choose to still operate industry at any level (notice, India and China are not involved). It's a wealth transfer scheme.
>>534882107>Look into more than just what confirms your bias.what irony
>>534883178As I said, it is to a certain extent man made. It's not all man made, but it's not purely natural. The thing is that regardless of what is causing it, it's a big problem, and ignoring it or pretending it isn't happening isn't the best way to deal with it. If your roof has a leak you can let your house flood and pay for all the water damage to your flooded house, or you can fix the leak and it'll cost a lot less in the long run.>>534883443Yes, China is the biggest contributor globally to climate change, but I don't see what your point is? Climate change doesn't stop mattering because most of it is being caused elsewhere. As a matter of fact China is mostly just the biggest contributor to climate change because they do most of the world's manufacturing, so unless you're suggesting the solution is just to produce less goods, China's share would just be moved elsewhere if they were to pollute less.
>>534883032>there is a risk that if global temperatures rise too much there could be runaway effects which can't be easily managed and could be extremely catastrophic.GAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYReminder this is per model outputmodels with known limitations and assumptions
>>534883454IPCC's literal mission statement is to find just how bad the humans contributions are
>>534884212reminder that co2 has a cunt hair's width above fuckall in climate impactit is a temp response and doesnt drive a goddamned thing
>>534879101You fucking retards can't even stop the clowns that is actually destroying the planet. You can't even hold the chinks to the emission standard set forth by the UN. Fuck off.
>>534884421So, sort of like that "autism awareness" """charity"""" which doesn't try to find the root causes or stop it from happening but just goes around telling everyone "hey, autists exist!"?
>>534884608since co2 means basically fuckall, there is no point in having any sort of co2 emission standardsoot and other shit is another story, but the climate wackos dont give much of af about akshual pollutants
>>534884421Funny, if that was their actual intended action, then why:>the carbon credits?>the wealth transfer?>shell NGOs to facilitate it all?It's almost like statements and actions are two entirely different things
>>534884344the funny part is that this will happen regardless of what humans do or do not do (we just may speed it up a little)in the far future - hundreds of millions of years from now - the sun will be about 10% larger than it is currently and start impacting life on earth in negative ways. eventually photosynthesis in plants will stop and most life will die out afterwards. in about 1 billion years, the avg temp on earth will be over 100F, even at the poles.humans will (likely) be extinct well before this stuff happens so it's whatever i guess
>>534884344>Reminder this is per model output>models with known limitations and assumptionsAs is all scientific prediction. The important thing is that the models have a high degree of accuracy in predicting real world outcomes.>>534884466>reminder that co2 has a cunt hair's width above fuckall in climate impactIt turns out that climate models are a lot more complex than Al Gore made it sound. Even small changes in global average temperatures can have massive effects on the climate, and CO2 isn't the only factor in climate change.>it is a temp response and doesnt drive a goddamned thingSo average temperatures rising doesn't have anything to do with wildfires or ice melting? Sure there are other factors, but they play an important role and you're retarded for pretending that it doesn't matter.>>534884608The people who pretend that the only ways to deal with the problem are heavy handed government interventions are just as bad or even worse than the people who pretend the problem doesn't exist. It's really fucking annoying when everyone acts like the only alternative to doing nothing at all is communism.
>>534884748we dont even have a good solar model or a model of stellar evolution, just guesses, so that conjecture may very well wind up being wrongas to earth, any long term prediction of the earth's climate necessitates a good working solar model since the sun absolutely dominates the energy equation of the solar systemand without that, we have no way to make anything resembling medium to long term climate predictions for the earth
>>534875447"Climate change" is a deliberately nebulous concept pushed by TPTB to try and blame the masses for the environmental destruction caused by large corporations, and potentially give governments an excuse to introduce "carbon taxes" that they can use to milk the masses for even more money. They'll tell you that you need to stop eating meat and driving a car to save muh environment, while they themselves run factories in the third-world that dump highly toxic forever chemicals straight into major rivers, and destroy thousands of acres of pristine rainforest to build palm oil plantations (so they can stuff your food full of it because it's perfect for cheap calorie-dense goyslop).
>>534884943>the models have a high degree of accuracy in predicting real world outcomesthey do notplaying with parameters until a couple data points get hit and then running and pasting it to le climate message board is not accuracy in predicting real world outcomes>wildfireslolnigger pleasebetween policy and globohomo eco arsonists, that's 99% of your wildfires right there>le ice meltingreminder that it is disingenuous to take the LIA maximum ice extent, assert it as norm, then measure the deviation and say "humans did this"which was exactly where things were when dudes like Johns Hopkins were checking out Glacier Bay
>>534885012there is no solar model. the sun will simply get larger and that increases luminosity on earth, which will impact a lot of the core systems on the planet as time goes on. "climate" is sort of a moot point and doesn't apply to what will happen as the sun grows larger into it's eventual red giant phase.
>>534875995This is a very interesting model
>>534884212>clearly the west is to blame
>>534885449>there is no solar model. the sun will simply get larger
>>534885596I didn't say or imply the west was to blame. I said that climate change is real and is a problem.>>534885248>they do notThey absolutely do. If you think that climate models generate incorrect predictions, give an example of when that's happened.>between policy and globohomo eco arsonists, that's 99% of your wildfires right thereMost of it is governments not taking fire prevention measures on government owned land. Increases in average temperature do play a role in increasing the quantity and severity of wildfires though.>reminder that it is disingenuous to take the LIA maximum ice extent, assert it as norm, then measure the deviation and say "humans did this"That would be disingenuous, good thing I wasn't talking about that.
>>534886627>They absolutely do. If you think that climate models generate incorrect predictions, give an example of when that's happened.is this even a real response?its difficult to treat people seriously that have closed their eyes to all the failings of the GCMs over the years>I wasnt talking about thatthis is some real jew pilpul shitits annoying to have to deal with when you have people that believe le scientisms so thoroughly that they refuse to accept all the failings and bad predictionsyou arent even a serious poster on this topic, run along to realclimate and cry that people dont believe your reframing of history to say things it never said
>>534887028>is this even a real response?yes>its difficult to treat people seriously that have closed their eyes to all the failings of the GCMs over the yearsso give an example>this is some real jew pilpul shitYou brought up some irrelevant and quite likely incorrect shit to distract from my point, I called you out on it, and now you're the one calling me a dishonest jew?>its annoying to have to deal with when you have people that believe le scientisms so thoroughly that they refuse to accept all the failings and bad predictionsSo provide an example of a bad prediction by actual climate science modeling, not some journalists or politicians or whatever.>you arent even a serious poster on this topicYou're right, I don't take you seriously.
>>534887455not even checkedthose climate "scientists" have predicted lots of shitnothing has happenedergo, they are full of shit, just like economic "experts"
>>534875447Climate change is real, but human-induced climate change is just a prank.
>>534886627>If you think that climate models generate incorrect predictions, give an example of when that's happpened>1970sPredictions of a new ice age and major cooling. No significant cooling occurred.>1990sClaims that winter snowfall would become rare. Snowfall remains common in many regions.>2004Predictions of major European cities sinking due to rising sea levels. Cities remain unaffected by such flooding.Eastern Pacific Cooling>PredictionClimate models forecasted warming trends in all ocean regions, including the Eastern Pacific.>RealityObservations show a cooling trend in the Eastern Pacific, contradicting model predictions.Lets not forget there are many, relevant data points and sets not included in the majority of academic climate studies & their respective models. The people who said coastal cities would be under water by 2020 are the same people buying beach houses.
>>534887455>I've never seen it pointed out all these failings of the modelsthis is why you are not a serious poster on this subjectwe're 50 years in to failed predictionsone after anotherall you have is>this one run of this old model hit a datapoint or two, this is accuracyyou literally posted a bit of model output from 2004 as proofs>so provide an examplewhich do you want?-tornadoes will increase and get stronger-hurricanes will increase and get stronger-the ice will disappear-all the glaciers will disappear-snow will be a thing of the past-we're going to reach a tipping point because of co2-co2 is the cause of warmingetc, etc etcpeople like you simply are not to be taken seriously because you have accepted the premise without understanding anything about the physics of the climatewhen the climate cognoscenti says>it cant be the sun, TSI hasnt appreciably changedthey ignore the matter of the earth's magnetic fieldyou're a complete retard if you want to try saying more solar & cosmic incoming makes no difference and co2 is doing the drivingyou're also ignorant of the fact that TSI omits solar flares, CMEs, the solar proton stream - making it partial solar irradiation at bestand you're an ignoramus for not understanding that this gap created by purposefully undermeasuring TSI is how they helped open a bigger gap to fill in with overinflated GHG coefficientthere's no talking to you zealots because you deny all the failings and ignore all the real reasons why co2 has fuckall to do with climate change
>>534876227>believes in a jewish god that hates him#justgoythings
>>534887649>those climate "scientists" have predicted lots of shitSo give an example of a peer reviewed scientific prediction by an actual climate scientist which turned out to be incorrect. If it happens a lot there must be a lot of examples.>just like economic "experts"Austrian school economists actually have a pretty good track record (by no means perfect, but a lot better than other schools). Keynesians, monetarists, MMTers, and the Chicago school have abysmal track records, but they're all you hear from in the media. It turns out that governments promote schools of economic thought that say the government should have more power and do more things.>>534888054>Predictions of a new ice age and major cooling.>Claims that winter snowfall would become rare.>Predictions of major European cities sinking due to rising sea levels.So can you give an example of a peer reviewed article by an actual climate scientist predicting that rather than the media or a politician?>>534888388>we're 50 years in to failed predictionsSo give at least one example. Why is that so hard?>you literally posted a bit of model output from 2004 as proofsWhere?>which do you want?Give an example of a peer reviewed scientific prediction by an actual climate scientist which turned out to be incorrect.>you're a complete retard if you want to try saying more solar & cosmic incoming makes no difference and co2 is doing the drivingI never said it makes no difference. You really are a mighty slayer of strawmen.
>>534888054>Predictions of major European cities sinking due to rising sea levels.Not just European ones. Manhattan was supposed to be flooded by 2012 according to Al Gore.Of course he never brings that up any more since it didn't happen.
BOE will happen either this summer or within the next 3 summers. AMOC will happen within the next decade. Food availability will collapse because of this combined with soil depletion, ocean boiling and fresh water depletion, starving a good chunk of the population (we're talking on the scale of a billion conservatively).You can't do anything about it, don't worry too much.https://web.archive.org/web/20230321182507/http://www.fasterthanexpected.com/blog/
>>534875785ahhh the memories
>>534888751>So give an example of a peer reviewed scientific prediction by an actual climate scientist which turned out to be incorrectno, i don't need to proof a negativethe IPCC has been proven to lie and fake evidence (hacked e-mails) mulitiple timesall those "there will be no artic ice in 2012" scenarios didn't happenthe ocean level didn't rose and all the coast cities are stillt here
My uncle is a space nigger. He has been visiting earth every 1000 earth years for a little over 3 million years now. He told me the earth is usually an icy planet that occasionally goes through a brief warming period. Apparently a lot of the space niggers prefer it being icy, as they enjoy winter sports here, and they don't expect this warm period to last much longer, in space nigger years at least.
>>534888054 - systems react to information they are given. - the behavior of chaotic systems cannot be predicted by linear extrapolation. - a failed prediction does not negate the fact that human intervention in the environment is demonstrably destabilizing it
>>534888054quality leaf post
>>534889099>the IPCC has been proven to lie and fake evidence (hacked e-mails) mulitiple timesthe IPCC is actually generally extremely conservative, we've consistently overshot their targets and we've passed a good chunk of their tipping points sooner than expected. 'no arctic ice in 2012' assumed no intervention and due to intervention we've managed to put it off for about 15 years, so BOE is now due in the next 3 years.
>>534888751>pal review is my standard>no there's no issue with reproducibility>and we totally havent been btfo'd faking things like the hockey stick beforethe reason there is a dearth of pal reviewed material is because if you deny the premise that co2 is causing climate change, you are promptly marched right the fuck out of classjust like what happened to Ben Davidson in Gavin's grad classchallenge it and you are simply thrown out, the premise isnt defended, its gospel and cant be assailedthis is what happens when globohomo money pays grant writers to sit in the halls of academia to indoctrinate unsuspecting youngens into falsehoodsI recall one of my ex's friends husband bitching and moaning about the grant he was writing, saying that effectively you must tickle the fancy of whatever bureaucrat is reviewing the grant proposal, if you want to get your grant approved>by an akshual climate scientistthe nerve you have to talk about logical fallacies and then you appeal to authority without issuenevermind that climate scientists have said the things we posted in response to thisJames Hansen told me in 2002 that his calculations proved beyond a doubt that man's influences had overtaken the sun's as the primary driver of the earth's climateyou have two options there:1- recognize that Hansen is a zealot trying to make the false become real, laugh this utterly preposterous notion right the fuck out2- start putting on clown makeup
>>534889312>we intervened so this is why we havent reached that tipping point yetget the fuck out of here, Gumby
>>534889442i understand that as an american this is difficult to understand because it means you will starve, but you're going to have to get over it
>>534875447Ah springtimeWhen a young leftists fancy turns to thoughts of global warming and gay pride parades
