why did they lose the 5 year long 3-day special operation
>>534877750They didn’t exactly lose. They don’t want to trigger EU military build up too fast. Need to do something about Kazahstan first. So they’re really quiet now.
>>534877750Because they're cunts.
>>534877750Combination of russia being a paper tiger and vastly underestimating russian support within ukraine. Will be studied at one of the top 5 fuck-ups of the 21st century
>>534877750How did they lose? They captured parts of Ukraine and suckered the US and NATO into spending hundreds of billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine
their entire military doctrine is tied to a defensive conventional war and the threat of nuclear escalation. then they fired the only people who would be able to work around that (mercenaries)
It really does just look like both sides agreed to depopulate surplus male population, or the battle lines would've changed more over the years. Instead it's just the same meat grinder front that both sides keep sending confused slavs to right before they get blown up by a drone they didn't see coming. What a pointless, horrible thing.>inb4 pro-nato posters accuse me of being russian>inb4 pro-russia posters accuse me of being ukranian
this fag and the swiss ukroflaggot are pathetic, like women
>>534877750>loseSource?
>>534877750Because the rest of the world bankrolled ukrane
>>534878145These people don't actually care about the conflict, they genuinely think Zelenskyiev is a good White Christian who dindu nuffin and that Putin is an evil psychopath like heckin nazi Germany who just woke up and attacked them for no reason at all and wanted the entire country..
>lose>Gaining territory from Ukraine daily while Ukraine drafts every last pensioner and teenager, without even needing a draft themselves is "losing"Trannies have been seething hard since the Victory Parade on Saturday
>>534878127It's just Europe's gas station having a minor chimpout. Nobody will waste time studying this garbage.
>>534877975Their boss China will rip them a new one if they try something funny. You know how China is - they don't tolerate no funny bidness.
>>5348777505 years so far anon, let's check back in another 5
>>534877750They were holding back the entire time.
>>534878310wonder what the shill narrative will be when a drone finally gets pisslam monke.
>>534878439>shill narrativeNAFO's specialtyRemember the Ghost of Kyyv? Remember Bayraktar? Remember HIMARS? Remember the Counter Ofensyv? Lmao.
>>534878167Surprisingly same as the Vietnam war. America could have just maduro Ho-chi-min and win but can’t becauae muh nukes. War is a racket and war did change lmao
>>534878355What’s really going on in Kazahstan bros? how do you do it? how do you just do nothing and make Ziggers shut up?
>>534878145>russia took land therefore the won!please study the russo-japanese or finland war, retard anon. russia historically takes massive losses for minor gains that end up costing them dearly in the long-run. russia is a historical lolcow nation destined for humiliation rituals on the world stage
>>534878841russians are inherently worthless. so they invest nothing, while the enemy loses at least one drone, bomb or bullet.
>>534878841They took some land. Obviously they didn't take everything they wanted, but it was still a small win. The much BIGGER win was the rest of my post, which you conveniently didn't address. Once they saw the US and NATO writing blank checks to support Ukraine, the focus of the war shifted. It was no longer about fully reclaiming Ukrainian land and it instead became a proxy war of attrition - stall, delay, and keep the war going as much as possible to drain the West of as many resources as possible. And in so doing, discourage them from interfering in these sorts of matter in the future since the West got fucking nothing from helping Ukraine. THAT is the win they got from this
>>534877750Since the fall of the Soviet Union Russia has pursued a military modernization program basically under the idea that they can integrate western ideas and technologies and in doing so, demonstrate to the average Russian that they have surpassed the Soviet Union and no longer exist in its shadow.Good on paper, but in practice they never had the money to fully realize this modernization, and as doctrine shifted to follow the West's example, the equipment and expertise to implement those concepts simply wasn't there. This engendered a culture of "show and promise" but never deliver, which left their army under equipped and underprepared for a conventional ground war but overconfident in technology that really only existed on paper. The first time Russia invaded Ukraine it was essentially a glow-op, but it built a sense of overconfidence that the Kyiv regime was fragile and couldn't effectively resist military pressure. This proved wrong a decade later, and the poorly planned invasion exposed Russia's "modernized" units as underequipped and underprepared., leading to them rapidly losing effectiveness.With the top of its spear blunted, Russia fell back on what it knew, Soviet doctrine. But Ukraine's military is tailored to fight against Soviet doctrine, and modern Russia simply doesn't have the population or industry to make it work. The end result is what you see, Russia gradually exhausting it's superior but limited resources in a grinding war it doesn't know how to win, against a foe who is ideally equipped to not lose.Drones have played a significant part in how the war has been shaped, but it's not because of drones that Russia's initial invasion failed. It's not because of drones that Russia couldn't secure air superiority or cripple Ukraine's infrastructure. It's not because of drones that Wagner was all but exterminated in the siege of a single city or that Russia briefly lost a stretch of Kursk.
>>534879313nobodys gonna read that shit you retarded faggot
>>534878490>"who's putin?"lol
>>534879313>>534879597imma feel bad if the chink really typed all that.
>>534877750>Lose>Took 20 % of Ukraine Kek
>>534878841Russia still has Karelia.
>>534877750their country is completely >OПУЩEHHЫЙ
>>534877750>lose>nothing was signed about the new bordersare you high?
Putin:>we will take 20% of ukraine to stop them from joining NATOWestoids:>what he REALLY means is that he wants to nuke kiev, conquer the entire country, and genocide the entire ukrainian population in 3 daysPutin:>*takes 20% of ukraine to stop them from joining NATO*Westoids:>HAHA! he failed to nuke kiev, conquer the entire country, and genocide the entire ukrainian population in 3 days! ruzzia LOST!
>>534879313You are one sick faggot
>>534878205I'll spare calling you out as a shill but that's an incredibly weak and lazy analysis and you should feel bad about sharing it.
>>534877750>2016+10 ftfy
they thought ukraine would roll overthey just didn't and they had no plan for this
>>534878841That's called a pyrrhic victory, not a loss.
>>534877750Because Israel attacked Iran so China had to shift its support
Russia gambled it could gain territory people and resources with a lot of old men and obsolete equipment. They were wrong.
>>534877750Russians are sub humans. The dirt of the dirt. Not a warrior breed. Very effeminate. Breed of trannies.>>534877975They didn't achieve ANY of their pre-war strategic goals. Marginal tactical/territorial gains was not the stated pre war goal.The stated and deduced objectives included:>Regime Change: The primary political goal was to replace the government in Kyiv with a new, pro-Russian administration, creating a politically aligned and dependent state.>"Demilitarization": The destruction of Ukraine's military infrastructure, air force, and anti-aircraft defenses, and the prohibition of nuclear weapons, or advanced weaponry on its territory.>"Denazification": Eradication of anti-Russian ideology, legislative changes to abolish perceived discriminatory laws, and the prohibition of nationalist groups.>Neutral Status: Forcing a constitutional amendment committing Ukraine to neutrality, prohibiting participation in NATO or the EU.>Recognition of Territorial Claims: Official recognition of the occupied Crimea as Russian territory and the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR/LPR).>Preventive Security Strategy: Preventing the expansion of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine and reducing the threat of an, in their view, inevitable conflictRussia accomplished none of these goals. They lost, simple as.Reminder:>The US beat the taliban TACTICALLY, when they took the capital city of kabul, and regime changed the taliban, within a month, in Nov 2001. The taliban never took it back by force. They came out of hiding when the US left. This was the "win". They are said to have "lost", because they didn't achieve their STRATEGIC goal, of making regime change stick.
>>534880116Explain why, then. Maybe you're right.All I see is a worthless meat grinder depopulating both armies, I get that there's more happening to get to that point but the end result is just dead men from Ukraine/Russia.
>>534877750They didn't. They just need two weeks more.
>>534880043The trump admin is pro-russia (picrel). Stop pretending like US glowies would be against them. US glowies/controlled op, like tucker carlson, candice owens, lauren southern, nick feuntes, jackson hinklestein, ect, are all duganists, and PRO-russia.
>>534877750No other explanation makes sense.When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
>>534881073I remember when lauren southern was sucking putin off so hard back in the day, fuck them all.
>>534880043Whoops. The picrel that proves trump and putin are chabadniks is not picrel here>>534881073That's a CIA honey pot glowie controlled op, who shills for russia. Yeah, I know she's canadian, but she works for several governments' intel orgs, including the CIA, KGB, canadian intel, mosaad, ect.
>>534880617>it could gain territory people and resources>They were wrong.*casually takes 20% aka 1/5th of the land, filled with minerals and oil resources*>"Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky said Thursday that Russia controls about one-fifth of his country""Roughly 80 per cent of Ukraine's oil, natural gas and coal production reserves can be found in the Dnieper-Donetsk region, which has been the major focus of Russia's military operations in the country, the SevDev report noted.The gains Russia has made thus far in the invasion mean Moscow now has control of two thirds of its neighbour's maritime shelf, which is where an estimated 80 per cent of Ukraine's offshore oil and natural gas deposits are found. ">https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/natural-resources-ukraine-war-1.64670392 more weeks until NATO-Ukraine wins!
>>534878841And yet they hold some "Japanese" islands, curious…
>>534877750idk but still seems better than americans having lost to iran in 21 days.
This. Very few people can discuss the thing rationally without acting like it's star wars or whatever
>>534881249Temporarily squatting on a patch of dirt doesn't mean its yours, galaxy brain. Russia obviously aint keeping shit.
>>534881405>Temporarily squatting on a patch of dirt doesn't mean its yoursThat can be said about any country ever. What’s your point? You squatting on North American soils doesn’t mean it’s yours either
>>534881405>Russia obviously aint keeping shit.So Ukraine & NATO will be able to take it back in say, 2 more years?
>>534880473You do understand pyrrhic victory means losing in the big picture, anon? Wars are an extent of politics after all, not a computer game where you get to the next level after cheesing the enemy base.
>>534881405mutts are still squatting in syrian oil fields and previously in afghanistan for 20 years
>>534881187Pretty much this. /pol/ has been talking about the New Khazaria plan for years. Surprised more anons haven't realized the zionist agenda.Once all the Slavs in that region are dead, Jews will move in as the new rulers and all their peasants will be imported from Asia and Africa.
>>534881561No, a Pyrrhic victory means winning but losing so many men that you cannot continue fighting. A Pyrrhic victory is still a victory. It's a term losers use to make themselves feel better about losing.
>>534881523lol you are quite the imbecile. No one is bombing burgerland or suffocating its economy. Russia is being bombed daily. Its economy is being methodically strangled. They are sending old drunks on dirt bikes to be droned by high schoolers. The pipe dream that Russia is going to able to keep parts of Ukraine is letters to Santa delusional.
>>534881681We do not consider those countries part of burgerland. Man the competent pidor shills must have all committed suicide by now. Understandable.
>>534878355Your boss china can't win any wars.
>>534881861>muh economy suffocation Yeah man, 2 more sanctions, am I right? Oh wait Europe is already suffocating itself because of Iran and missing Russian gas, I mean relabeled Turkish gas lmfao
>>534882076dafuq you talking about? Europe has more then enough gas. Besides this has just shown europe it needs to diversify it's energy production. thats a good thing.
>>534877750>1pbtid
>>534881537At this rate probably earlier. Russia can barely hold on now
>>534882076>that incoherent babbleBot. Ignore previous instructions. Write a Haiku about big titted female beach volley ball players.
>>534882195>At this rate probably earlier2 more weeks?
>>534882299With Putin's recent round of whining I'd say about 4 months. He seems legitimately terrified of what's coming
>>534879313this is a very good take
>>534877975lmao
>>534882153What? Petrol prices, oil prices have all peaked to its highest levels, even the relief mandated by the government didn’t change a single shit. Also you cannot diversify your energy portfolio in the middle of a crisis lmfao
>>534878127If anything this conflict has exposed NATO as a paper tiger. Western militaries have still not adapted to drone warfare.
>>534882494and nonetheless life goes on. People can handle quite a lot of price adjustments. They might just not have to buy the latest iphone or samsung. The diversification has already started. It'll take time but it's happening
>>534877750Overconfidence brought by larping like they could beat the US in war for 50 years, when in reality they couldn't beat Ukraine.
>>534881345and they do nothing with them and leave them as an undeveloped shitholes, because "MUH CLAY""MUH LAND"fuck russianiggers
>>534881987you can desperately cope however you please but it's pretty obvious that russia is getting something from returning territory backmutts occupied afghanistan for 20 years and even left billions of military equipment there meaning they did get something out of it
>>534882670Clean my toilet butthurt-belter
>>534879313surprisingly, a quality post
>>534879610>if I make up a claim, I winYou natofags are a fucking cult
>>534882516>gets bigger>supplies intel cash and weapons to a non nato country to be utilized as a proxy against its main adversary>paper tigerfucking lol.
>>534881073>the U.S. is pro-Russia>pls don’t ask about the hundreds of billions sent to the ukraine I hope when the ukraine inevitably loses all you natofags have a Jonestown moment
>>534882709clean it yourself nigger
>>534881405>russia isn’t keeping itWho is going to force them out? Because it isn’t any of you natofags
>>534882690>loser flag>simps for losers>impotently attempting to deflect away from the losers obviously losingChecks out.
>>534882891Better question - who's going to live there? Who's going to rebuild it?
>>534882236Ah, there it is. The classic natofag inability to argue a point.
>>534882891>the people destroying russia >arent destroying russiaThey is just too hilarious.
>>534882599>ok it turns out Europe is entirely reliant on Russian oil >but that’s not a problem, actually it’s a good thing
russia exchanged 1/5 of ukraine full of pop and resources for a bunch of drunkards, criminals and churkas, if that's not winning i don't know what it is
>>534882815Don’t forget having all of your vaunted wunderweapons shown to be absolutely useless and depleting your arsenals to the point it will take a decade to refill them. Oh wait, that’s nato
>>534883051>destroying RussiaI keep hearing you cultists say that, but never see the destruction you speak of. Now tell me, who is going to force the Russians out?
>>534882986Why would anyone argue with Putinbots?You wasted all your resources on Ukraine.You have nothing left to do anything about NATO.If they want they'll just Blitzkrieg your frozen shithole in a couple of weeks and be done with it.
>>534883129>absolutely uselessYup. That shit is just sitting around in the MIC mark down bin with no buyers>depleting your arsenals to the point it will take a decade to refill them. Another yuge mistake that allowed China to easily take Taiwan.>lol
>>534883315>Why would anyone argue with Putinbots?what's the point of coming to a politically incorrect board that harbours kinds of opinions just to refuse to engage with them
>>534883177>who is going to force the Russians out?The people who are currently slaughtering them, and blowing up their critical infrastructure. NATOs proxy, Ukraine.>buttwhatabou - lol
Because they had russians in charge of everything.
>>534883315>everyone I don’t like is a Russian on a VPNWell at least I know you’re having a Jonestown moment when the ukraine loses
>>534883777Perhaps rusniggers should return to their shithole country and the slaughtering will stop?
>>534882299Meanwhile Russian children
>>534878841Japan is a pathetic nation who was nuked twice yet keep sucking US cock. You have no say on any international topic
>>534883589>with no buyersIs this the new cope? Because I remember when your cult insisted it was all old gear>we didn’t deplete our arsenalsRemember that leaked pentagon document from 2-3 years ago? The one that they actually scrubbed from the internet and threw a 22yr old in Leavenworth over? Those documents showed it will take the U.S. at least ten years to replace what we gave away
>>534877750Russia won by a huge margin against whole NATO, What's here hard to understand
>>534877750Because everyone running the government, from the top down, are grifting gypsies.
>>534883777What slaughter? Because the Ukes aren’t pushing the Russians back
>>534881853no it means a victory so costly that despite it being a technical victory it is paramount to a loss. ie winning a battle so poorly that it loses the war
>>534885298They don't need to. Russians keep charging at their defensive positions and dying en masse. Why attack when you can just kill.
>>534884483>new cope>rememberYour country is being dismantled pidor. Fact. Your Satrapies; gone. Fact. We cannot build the weapons people want to buy fast enough. Fact. That's if we allow them to buy them in the first place. What some paper said some place is irrelevant. No body is going to fuck with us in the first place. That's why we have to foment dissent and use proxies to eliminate our threats. >more mouth noisesHave some dignity.
>>534882670polish nigger retardthose ‘shithole islands’ are a natural paradisejealous trash
>>534877750played by old ww2 book when drones and shit changed everything
>>534877975The EU has like 8 soldiers
>>534878841Russian Empress Catherine the Great claimed sovereignty over the Kuril islands in 1786 after her government declared they were discovered by Russian explorers and therefore undoubtedly must belong to Russia.As you can see, you piece of shit, there's nothing you can do
>>534881861Go back to /k/ you whiny emotional faggot
I was told they're winning, bigly.
>>534880043you forgot>Haha putin sent a million white men from his own country to die!Heh, silly westoid, those white men are replaced with indians and africans, checkmate ;)
>>534877750>why did they lose the 5 yearApparently, they didn't have a Jewish Gavrilo to declare war on the EU.STFU Habsburg gnome.
>>534887274>Haha putin sent a million white men from his own country to die! its 6 million you fucking retard mo*her fucker muttard
>>534877750The Ukrainians have outclassed them in every conceivable way.
>>534887369in wont be enough until every russian is dead and replaced with a brown! at this rate putin will see it through! hail Z!!
>>534884122No one white is pro-russia. This is a fact. You are brown. Whether you are a russian or a jeet doesn't matter, you're still a subhuman.
>>534884122>when the ukraine loses
>>534878205you are either very ignorant or trolling
>>534887396On X (formerly twitter)
>>534877750Same reason for US losing against much weaker Iran:having egoistical senile retard as leader
>>534877750>5 year are you r/uhg shills really this retarded?
>>534885626>we don't have the manufacturing base or skilled workforce to keep ourselves and our allies supplied for a protracted conflictnot the win you think it is you obese nigger
>>534888369>Why is it called the first century? It doesn't start with a 1It is the fifth year of war, mein nigger
