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>>534901300
Yummy

Veganism is nutritional pedophilia it's just a fad that hippies and pedos and cultists sell to keep their children fresh for longer. Everybody knows chicken gives u titties

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Automatic circumcision and vaxx machine

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>>534901435
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v90Q4civ_ts

Her parents were both vegan for years before giving birth to her and she’s been vegan literally her entire life. She is not flat chested

I agree with u that its wrong but I buu grass fed free range beef from whole foods that AWC. I looked into it and its not a relativly bad life..

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Abortion has killed more human beings than all wars in the past 100 years combined.
Almost all women are not vegan

Men are only statistically significantly more violent if only humans outside the womb are counted as victims of violence, but that’s speciesist and also discriminatory on the basis of age or location (inside or outside of body)

Why is that kind of discrimination okay but not sexism? Women can’t enforce their own rights only men can

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>>534901580
If an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.

If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.

Why take a utilitarian view of “non humans” but take an inalienable rights view towards “humans” ?

I love my pet budgie

>>534901543
I would rather date a chain smoker than that abonination from a cult family

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>>534901690
This is only half the story. Hens are locked in tiny battery cages stuffed with other hens, the small Wire cage is so crowded that not one hen can fully spread her wings.
So they go insane and peck each other or themselves. So do humans in solitary confinement long term

Pic related is actually a unusually large cage

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>>534901852
Carnism is the actual cult not veganism. For starters it requires daily animal sacrifices

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Rape / artificial insemination, the dairy industry is the veal industry, mothers separated from calves on first day of life causing emotional distress (1 day old baby humans are same way), etc

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Some people rescued some chickens who were going to be slaughtered by Jews at a Kapparot and brought them to a vegan animal sanctuary to live out the rest of their lives.
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/viXBIHGrFlQ

Subversive jew or manic vegan on a crusade?
Bet now!

>>534901934
I am part of nature. I will sit in the river and eat the fish, I will squeeze the milt and eggs from their bodies like big tubes of mayo. I will climb the tree and eat the bird eggs. I will even eat the lizard and the snake eggs. I will survive, and my people will survive.

You are reliant on soibeans. You are reliant on toxic agriculture. Do not even talk to me again.

>>534901300
Bild one for shitskin babies

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>>534902306
Im definitely not religiously or ethnically Jewish and I have taken a DNA test so I can know for certain

I denounce the Talmud.

They do the same thing with baby cows, male humans, etc.

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Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness (2012):Cognitive neuroscientists, neuropharmacologists, neurophysiologists, neuroanatomists, and computational neuroscientists (written/edited/proclaimed by specialists in these fields; signed by conference participants in them).
NY Declaration on Animal Consciousness (2024):Philosophers, neuroscientists, biologists, psychologists, veterinarians (doctors), ethologists, ecologists, and animal welfare experts (authored by philosophers; signed by hundreds of researchers across these fields).

Plants are not conscious. All mammals and birds definitely are

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>>534902427
Don’t let the server admins draft you while playing Minecraft

In Minecraft if you want to be the ultimate Minecraft neet

Get a bow and arrows
Get a chest
Get a small shovel
Get a Minecraft mod to get Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things they only cost a few emeralds in the mod
Go to a place NOT NEAR YOUR BASE if someone makes it so you can't even go within 500 blocks of your base you still need to be able to access your chest
Dig a deep hole

Put bow and arrow, at least a couple hundred emeralds and the Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things in your chest. Optionally also add stuff like a small sword.
Close chest up very tightly.
Put chest at bottom of hole and cover with dirt blocks.
WHEN YOU GO TO SPOT WHERE YOU WILL BURY THE CHEST LEAVE YOUR MAP AND COMPASS AT YOUR BASE DON'T BRING THEM WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE A PHONE MOD OR MODERN CAR MOD DON'T BRING THOSE WITH YOU EITHER

final step

If you ever become homeless or whatever in Minecraft go dig up your chest and do PvP before jumping into lava

If you are making a stash in Minecraft don't bury it at your Minecraft base you live at in game bury it somewhere like a public park in the Minecraft server and make sure you bury it somewhere easy to find like next to some sort of landmark in the server.
Make sure to keep in mind how deep you bury it like how many blocks and what the frost line is if you have the frost line mod installed on the server. Obviously at least quadruple bag it if you have the plastic bag mods on the server with some very strong airtight bags from the mod and put plenty of dehydrating packets in each bag if you have a desiccant mod

>>534901300
Gotta get me chicken nuggies somehow...

>>534902310 https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait
Naming 'food chain/naturality' to morally justify something is an appeal to nature logical fallacy.
Just because something is natural, doesn't make that something OK/good/ideal/optimal/justified.
There are many things that are natural that people do and that are not morally OK. Simply naming a few of them should be enough to demonstrate how 'natural' is irrelevant to morality.
Is raping OK, because it's natural?
What about fighting for territory? Out ancestors fought for territory.
Is making your child live in a cave without medicine good, because it's only natural to do so?
And so on.
If 'food chain' is a justification of the interlocutor/s' harm and consumption of animals, then they should also be fine with other animals eating us, and shouldn't want to intervene when a human is being eaten, nor be wanting to protect against predators that are above us in the food chain - which is obviously not the case.
P1. X being weaker/lower in the food chain than Y makes it morally OK for Y to eat/harm X.
P2. Humans are weaker and lower in the food chain in nature than lions.
C1. It's morally OK to allow lions to eat/harm humans in nature.
P1. X being weaker/lower in the food chain than Y makes it morally OK for Y to eat/harm X.
P2. Humans are weaker and lower in the food chain than super-intelligent aliens/AI.
C1. It's morally OK for super-intelligent aliens/AI to eat/harm humans.
'Food chain' often ends up being a case of 'might makes right', where actions are morally justified as long as a 'stronger' being inflicts harm upon a weaker one.
This is laughably absurd, as reductio ad absurdum shows how insane this argument is.
P1. X being weaker than Y makes it morally OK for Y to harm X.
P2. Baby humans are weaker than adult humans.
C1. It's morally OK for adult humans to harm baby humans.

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What’s the most painful thing that ever happened to you? Seriously take a moment and contemplate it—try, in as much detail as you can, to remember what it was like. Maybe, for many of you it was childbirth—an experience which, when it takes place without anesthesia, is temporarily completely debilitating. Nothing other than the pain occupies the mind of the sufferer.

Perhaps it was getting a tattoo. Someone on Quora summarized the pain of getting a tattoo in the following way:

They hurt.

There are between one and 20 needles being poked through your skin hundreds of thousands of time in a single session. The number of needles will determine the type and intensity of pain. So expect it. The real question is how much will it hurt.

I’ve been quite lucky and never experienced any particularly severe pain. I can remember quite a few times I’ve had pretty intense pain—barely eating for two days, having a doctor press down on my infected finger until it popped when I was ~8, having a very severe stomach ache, falling out of a treehouse (though remaining in the tree) and banging my chin on the side of it—but nothing has been that bad. I’d guess the worst experience of my life is a lot less painful than a wrist tattoo.

The most painful experience that most of us have ever had is classified as disabling pain. This is the sort of pain that’s bad enough that during it you can’t enjoy doing anything else—you can’t, for instance, enjoy a game of chess while giving birth—and that makes it impossible to focus on anything other than the pain. Examples of this kind of pain include a very painful fall, breaking a bone, burning yourself, giving birth, severe dog bites, getting a tattoo, kidney stones, and hemorrhoids.

>>534902585
Animals don't pay taxes so by eating them I am punching up.

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>>534902637
While we often forget about these later, when they’re happening, they feel like the most significant thing in the world. They’re extremely bad—if you offered me $1,000 to get severely bitten by a dog, its teeth ripping off a chunk of my flesh, or have needles pierce my skin hundreds of times, I wouldn’t take the deal. Certainly I wouldn’t undergo childbirth for 1,000 dollars—especially if it was without anesthetic

Sadly, on average, the animals that we eat endure hundreds of hours of this kind of debilitating agony over the course of their life. They endure somewhere on the order of an hour a day of this pain.

I’ll just discuss one such case—the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/ Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.

This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):

Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times.

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>>534902651
a species being able to have a civilization would show that they are high on the sentience spectrum, the lack of it wouldn't entail lack of moral worth.
For civilization, A could say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.
P2. Humans have a civilization, but farmed animals do not.
C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.
B could then say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.
P2. People in the west have a civilization, but tribes and a lot of third worlders do not.
C1. It's morally OK for people in the west to eat/harm tribes and a lot of third worlders.
For culture, A could say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.
P2. Humans have a culture, but farmed animals do not.
C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.
Culture is not a trait that is unique to humans - chimpanzees, for example, have developed quite strong cultural habits. Not only culture is present in animals, as a lot of species have some level of customs and learned traditions, but culture has no reason to be a moral line that determines what has moral value and what doesn't.
B could then say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.
P2. Adult humans have a culture, but baby humans do not.
C1. It's morally OK for adult humans to eat/harm baby humans.
Or:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.
P2. Chimpanzees have a culture, but some mentally disabled humans do not.
C1. It's morally OK for chimpanzees to eat/harm some mentally disabled humans.
The argument usually turns out to be, again, 'might makes right', which is easily shown as something absurd that doesn't hold by bringing in the context super-intelligent AIs/aliens and giving them dominion over humans for their 'superiority'

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>>534902688
In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week

Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agony

Injurious pecking. In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.

Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest—about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:
“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act.

>>534902792
Humans aren't morally worthy that's why circumcision and abortion are still legal.

After an animal has died it cannot suffer and its suffering can only be retained in simulated form by retards like you.

>>534901300
Still?!!! I thought your last 100 threads on this would have solved this.

>>534902836
You are pretending to feel animals' pain but in reality you're just emotionally masturbating. The animals don't give a shit. Chickens would eat you if you died right now.

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>>534902839
Circumcision of infants is wrong and abortion is often immoral too
>>534902836
For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”
Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions.

Before you next purchase eggs—or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst—remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad.

suffer massively https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdanRboTTE

Yep pretty barbaric. Fucking jew ass big agri corps do this shit just to save a few shekels. If I was president I would ban it immediately. Western agriculture in general could be a lot more humane but that would impact their (((quarterly earnings))).

>>534901300
I read that as Chinks and was mortified but curious

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>>534902890
Severely mentally handicapped humans might eat me if given the chance but im still against torturing them
>>534902910
Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension—something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable—it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.

Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony. The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony—the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced. The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating.

The average meat eater causes hours of that

This is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine. Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industry.

>>534902910
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Room

When I see "—" I know you're not a real person with real beliefs and opinions.

>>534903044
"torture" is living outside of the comforts of the farm, you know this yourself that's why you can afford to be a vegan.

Animals are supposed to suffer. This isn't heaven.

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>>534903044
A single broiler chicken experiences fifty hours of [disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilers slaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks? And if every human on the planet - me, you, my friends and family and colleagues and the people living in every single country - had that same experience every year? How hard would I work in order to avert suffering that urgent?

Factory farming is probably responsible for more agony than has ever existed in human history—especially agony of the most intense kind. This massive quantity of agony exists because consumers pay for it. Fortunately, we can do better. There are highly effective organizations working to reduce the extent of animal mistreatment in factory farms, which save around 18 animals from a cruel fate for every dollar they’re given. Additionally, if you’re horrified by this conduct, you can stop paying for it and go vegan.
>>534903065
Not ai
Not ai https://benthams.substack.com/p/extreme-suffering-on-the-farms?utm_source=publication-search
Also from the author, his face and voice https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsdanRboTTE

>>534902273
https://www.endchickensaskaporos.com/museum.html

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>>534903137
A hen stuck in a battery cage is not living a better life than a wild pigeon.
Also wild animals are wild, they are not created by humans and would exist regardless of our food choices. Animals in factory farms are raped into existence by humans to then live a hellish life then be killed

>>534903162
Thank you for continuing to witness, anon.

>>534903044
>The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating.
You were doing so well.

>>534901300
Good.
Here's another mindrape for you. Are animals moral agents?
If yes, then all predatory animals are evil and must be exterminated.
If not, then killing them for food is an amoral action.

>>534901300
i understand black poverty in some regards now, you ever seen proper blacks with animals cuh?
i aint talking about bushmen or nigas.

>>534903305
Fentanyl causes suffocation

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>>534903320
Is a 3 year old human who shoots and kills his 1 year old human sibling a moral agent?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQRwen8ag
Vegans have been discussing killing predators for years. In some cases it can be justified but not killing all predators as killing all predators would in many cases lead to ecological collapse which is a greater rights violation then unchecked predation

>>534902427
>male humans, etc
This. While women and rich men are partying around yurop the young hohol male is being killed so the old wealthy hohols can keep living their luxury lives.

Young human males are treated just like cattle.

>>534901300
Giwtwm.

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>>534903818
Boomers are doing that across the west

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>>534903763
>killing all predators would in many cases lead to ecological collapse
Appeal to nature fallacy. Humanity can create a system in which no animal will ever eat another animal so we can all live happily with our animal friends in vegan wonderland. Just kidding, but vegans are retarded and actually believe this.

This thread made me hungry as fuck and I just ate a big, juicy burger. Fuck you, OP.

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>>534901300
And the universe simply doesn't care. It ignores the cries of pointlessly dancing particles transitioning from living to inert. Let's feed more biomass into the machine for all I care. The performative moral leverage of para-religious idiots still attached to the arbitrary belief that suffering matters is irrelevant.

>>534901300
imagine if i cared? that would be something

>>534904200
In the future if technology gets more advanced that could be possible and it sounds nice to me.

>>534904341
Plenty of atheists including atheist philosophers are moral realists.

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>>534904407
Absolute cope

However, I am not necessarily opposed to extending a systematic industrialization of human reproduction, given the abysmal efficiency of women at managing the manpower sustenance of the system.
If suffering magically matters, let's make humans share the conditions of impersonal inflicted automation that animals experience by putting women into barns.

>>534904341
It's not even that much suffering. Being dropped into a blender is less painful than any way an animal dies in the wild.

>>534901456

Holy hell that's wild

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>>534902318
your granny got raped by soviets

>>534901300
What do they do with this chick and egg shell paste?

>>534901300
I don't care. Sure it sucks that the animals suffer, but veganism is a genuine health risk. When I did a blood test and found out I was anemic, my hematologist's first question was if I was vegan. He told me that was the second most common cause for anemia, the first being women losing blood in their periods. I value human comfort over animal comfort, simple as.

>>534904349
From an ethical perspective, it would be better to create near perfect living conditions for livestock before the (for now) inevitable happens. Even if science get's to the point where lab-meat is identical to real meat, why would we want to deny life to animals? It's a case of being pro-life as an ethical meat eater or anti-life as a vegan. No wonder vegans also love to abort children.

>>534901300
>>534901340
>>534901395
>>534901456
>>534901543
This is why we desperately need to make advancements in gene editing, sterilization, abortion, eugenics, etc. to more intelligently control reproduction.

>>534905097
That’s just one or two anecdotes

I have been vegan for years and my bloodwork including vitamin d, b12, iron is completely fine and I don’t even take an iron supplement

>>534905317
Vegans do not “love” abortion

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9o

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3vrevU9o


The earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.

The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.

It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltage
slow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.

Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yes

>>534903612
Do you have a reference for the info found here:
https://cp.pain-track.org/broilers
I'd be interested to read it. I can't find a source or explanation for it. One of the articles you have linked relies on it.

If you find it, thanks. I'll be out for a while but will read it later.

>>534901300
They could do that to our species and just have Elon musk do all the breeding

>>534901340
what happens to the meat?

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>>534904988
Fertilizer and stuff like that

Which is why vegans should avoid organic vegan food

>>534905581
You’d be better off contacting the original author >>534903162

>>534905637
meat eaters would have no right to call super intelligent aliens who factory farmed humans out for immoral behavior.

>>534901300
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>>534901395
Imagine being born just to get spawn killed.

>>534905820
Thats over 1 in 4 human pregnancies in the usa

Even if you only include pregnancies in which the aborted human child is old enough to be sentient it’s still possibly as high as 1 in 8 pregnancies, possibly even more than that as almost all abortions happen after 7 weeks
>>534905556

>>534905820
Sounds like a match of FFA Snipes on Octagon

>>534905814
If humanity is enslaved by aliens we got much more important things on our hands than worrying about the morality of aliens

>>534905820
Imagine being born just to be immediately strapped down to a table and have your foreskin removed for no reason except it’s profitable and or misandry.
Then if you reach adulthood you have no legal recourse to get any sort of restitution and if you try to get revenge and or reparations extra judicially you will probably be put in a torture dungeon for years

>>534905642
chicken ham

hey I agree this is fucked up but if you are not having the machine kill them, you would have to kill animals yourself

you cannot be vegan, you just cant, you have to kill or have others kill for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhFpZEv32Cg

I think everybody should have their own homestead and kill their own animals, but few people do it

>>534905814
>meat eaters
I mean this outrage is just empty and doesnt factor into anything, the simple fact is that humans wont stop eating meat so this outrage is just nothing.... everything about it in the typical sense is better aimed at demanding lab grown meat and making it acceptable because again humans wont stop eating meat and this is literally the only way to stop the masslaugher of animals and we would get cleaner meat as well, literal lab controlled meat no more mad cow disease tier nonsense ever 10 years etc

>>534901300
This proves the Holocaust never happened and the famine and suffering wasn't intentional.
If the Nazis really wanted to exterminate a group, they just would have built a big grinder and made fertilizer from it, but it was all fake.

>>534901395
Imagine thinking humans would give a fuck about killing one day old chickens when they couldn't care less about immolating infants and toddlers to their sick pagan deities, moloch and Chemosh. Humans are concentrated evil.

>>534906211
are you moving to your own homestead and living independently from the system? >>534906149

hey I agree we are evil, but its a share burden so dont be so quick to judge leftie, you are evil too

>>534904341
now I understand how he survive. is just like that one scene with luffy, law and trebol.

>>534906306
I'm not a leftist, just misanthropic. And yes! I DO plan to live off grid someday.

Just as soon as I complete parole

>>534901300
Many more animals than that die even more cruel deaths than that in nature.

>>534906430
well good luck dont be afraid of killing the bunny

>>534901300
it's dog food, who cares?

>>534901300
Seems fast and painless.
My country has declared chick killing illegal, so I have gotten to see what happens if you don't kill them. It is not pretty.

>>534901874
Illegal in Europe.

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>>534907209
I wish

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>>534901300
It just doesn't make sense when they could raise these chicks for meat after giving them a decent life. The only reason to do such sick mass death on these young chicks is probably some occult Jewish ritual.

>>534901300
Pretty sure it becomes dog food in the end
So basically same as other chickens

Idgaf about chickens + not politics + vegan freak

>>534901300
Hell Yeah, dude, I will never not eat meat. Chickens are inferior to humans. I will consume them all. I absorb their souls and I become stronger.

>>534901456
Animals are the poor tortured souls humans torment in this hell

>>534907667
You only need one rooster and rooster meat is awful.

>>534901300
the chikerinos did nothing wrong!

>>534907667
>It just doesn't make sense when they could raise these chicks for meat after giving them a decent life
they are maybe sub-standard and you wouldn't buy them at the store so they'd just rot away after investing money in everything required to raise them, food, heat, people running the farm whatever it is, all of that for you to look at them on shelf and go like "nah, looks like shit"

>>534907968
You butcher them as cockerels not roosters. I find it indistinguishable from a pullet but maybe you have a more sophisticated palette. They do this because capitalism. It's cheaper, that's the only reason why. If they could make more money doing something else they would. Think of something that would save these little guys.

>>534908331
>think of something
sell them to vegans for $2.50 each

>>534901300
eating meat is the same as cannibalism. its a ritual. you are worshipping satan. children of adam eating their fellow animals inside the garden. hitler was vegeterian

>>534901300
>>534901340
Why can't science find out if a newly laid egg is a male or a female?
Just sell most males as eggs to be eaten, before they hatch.

>>534908461
science most likely can but it may be cheaper to hatch them and paste them than spending money on each egg in turn, and still end up pasting them.

would you eat up the extra cost at the counter if they implement the tech? someone's gotta pay for it

>>534901300
They didn't suffer, they didn't feel pain, they weren't even concious

People talk as if they have the sentience of a human

Chrickens are just existing as mindless creatures, no need to worry, this is not a procedure made to last for hours of torture, this is the most humane way to kill the animal

The scale of it creates an emotional reaction that is not rational at all, people need to live tey're the priority

people would be mad if shown bilions of kids dying of hunger as well...

>>534908461
>Just sell most males as eggs to be eaten, before they hatch.
they need to be fertilized so high chances you end up with small embrios on your plate by the time you cook it

IF THE INDUSTRY DIDN'T EXIST THE SAME AMOUNT OF ANIMALS KILLED WOULD BE THE SAME CAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO EAT

>>534901300
anyone who eats animals or things produced by animals, either stop it or kys

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>>534901300
damn, those chickens don't know how good they've got it.

>>534901300
>>534901340
>>534901395
blame capitalism

>>534901300
We inhabit the first level of hell where you need to kill to live.... low impact endless suffering

>>534901300
This is why i am pro Kabbalah / peter thiel

>>534908903
WE DONT NEED LATINHOES, NIGGERS, CHINKS, JEETS OR SLAVS

>>534901300
I'm going to go buy more chicken to offset OP's faggotry new Thursday. I hope it leads to more grinded up chicks. Go learn astral projection, smoke DMT, and stop being a bitch about death which is not a big deal. If death really is a big deal then the only way to prevent it is find a way to end all life on Earth, although even that might not work as life will probably just evolve again on the planet as bacteria will survive and evolve, and also other planets will do the same. You can't stop the cycle of life and death ever. All you can do is end your suffering by attaining enlightenment.

>>534901456
Would be better if we just destroyed all forms of industrial farming and caused mass subhuman and shitskin starvation and our chickens didn't go through this but instead lived a normal life and then were executed on a wood chopping block and butchered in the normal way.

>>534901690
What is wrong with dying in your prime I want to die in my prime not have to live to see old age and become sick. Explain to me what is wrong with just dying before you have to see any of the problems of old age.

>>534901300
what are you supposed to do with male chicks that produce no eggs and waste of resources to raise to harvest. grinding them up like that probably the most humane action and their innards make fine tasting chikn nuggets at my mcdonnalds

>>534902176
I hate milk. I do consume a lot of cheese though and sometimes whey powder and also my hot chocolate drink mix has some dry milk powder in it.

>>534902273
>nose ring

The eternal sign of a ruined and mentally insane woman.

Btw post about noserings in cattle and how it's supposedly abuse and blah blah.

>>534902318
Man I'd pay good money to watch shitskin babies put on a conveyor belt and grinded up to become lobster feed.

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>>534901456
>automated circumcision
this is an outrage, i am a vegan now, you need a mohel to do it by mouth as is tradition

>>534910255
Even if 25 was prime age for a human male that doesn’t mean a 30 year old males life is not worth living, animals are killed long before they are even close to being seniors

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Based, I need chicken nuggets.

>>534910373
>grinding them up like that probably the most humane action
no its not. we could kill them individually and painlessly, soothing them before delivering the knife to finish them quickly, that would be the humane way to do it. but instead we do this because it's economical and we dont care about their suffering. its shameful and we could afford to do better.

>>534901934
How? Slaughter one beef cow and your family eats for like a year.
>>534902176
The dairy industry is so fucked. Especially compared to beef. I’m on farm calls rn and it’s… rough. I’m knee deep in shit most days doing preg checks and lancing abscesses.
>>534902273
Retarded. Most backyard chickens don’t have half the enrichment and wellness care that commercial farms utilize. You’re cherry picking the WORST layer farms and neglecting that there’s incredible quality of life for chickens in intermediate or local commercial settings if people are willing to pay $20 a bird instead of $5 at Costco.

>>534902435
What about all the animals killed by mass farming your plants? Moles, rats, birds, shrews, rabbits, deer, the lot. They all get ground up by those corn headers and basedbean combines.

>>534902890
True. Chickens will eat fucking anything. Beef, mice, themselves, snakes, even humans if given the opportunity.

>>534902914
Layer only breeds and massive layer/breeder operations are the problem. Revert to dual purpose at the cost of homogeneous product and a few dollars a year in profit. You will always kill the vast majority of male chicks if they can’t be humanely raised and slaughtered for meat.

After abortion is banned, then I will help your chicks

If you're argument is an appeal to empathy(THE BABY CHICKENS!), then you've lost already.

I really don't care that animals die for people to live.

>>534903295
Cage farming is on the way out. The biggest layer ops are moving towards aviary style for enrichment and wellness purposes.

>>534910880
>we could kill them individually and painlessly, soothing them before delivering the knife to finish them quickly,
the fuck you're talking about, jeet

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>>534911207
>How? Slaughter one beef cow and your family eats for like a year.

It’s only enough for 1 person for half a year but it’s actually even less than that because you probably will prefer certain cuts over others.

>What about all the animals killed by mass farming your plants? Moles, rats, birds, shrews, rabbits, deer, the lot. They all get ground up by those corn headers and basedbean combines.

Where’s the evidence more suffering, death, rights violations etc happen on an acre of wheat fields then an acre of wild land?
A single acre of wheat field can produce millions of calories.

Crop deaths are not a rights violation, just as human farmer deaths in agriculture are not a rights violation.

>Retarded. Most backyard chickens don’t have half the enrichment and wellness care that commercial farms utilize.

Citation needed. Do you believe debeaking is humane?
>You’re cherry picking the WORST layer farms and neglecting that there’s incredible quality of life for chickens in intermediate or local commercial settings if people are willing to pay $20 a bird instead of $5 at Costco.

It’s not cherry picking if those conditions are where almost all animal products found in grocery stores and restaurants come from.

>>534903921
Why is this “white” woman who’s never been on a farm such a nigger?

Banding is used for a variety of things. Casteration, cauterization, docking, even removing broken limbs in some species. Without it there would be immeasurable suffering, death, competition, and pain as opposed to momentary uncomfortableness.

Ever had to use a tourniquet on yourself? Same thing.

Grow the fuck up. Ignorant retards.

>>534911333
There’s other arguments like name the trait https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait#Civilization.2FCulture

>>534901300

Straight White Non Jewish Aryan Vegetarian separations and Co-ops and territories then, Anons

FRENS of other races can solve their cultural problems and separations

Animal abusers are not my people nor culture, white or not

Before "vegan"... there is nothing wrong with eggs and dairy if the animals aren't abused

>>534905355
Or, how about, stop supporting ultra gigga cost motivated shit tier mega conglomerations and the companies that support them, and grow your own fucking food?

You won’t, because you’re lazy and don’t care. Don’t pretend like you take the moral high ground.

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>>534911547
I haven’t put a tourniquet on my scrotum above my Testicles and left it on until my Testicles rotted off

She is critiquing a video in which a farmer is joking about castration

>>534907667
These are egg layers retard. They’re bred to be skinny as shit and produce only eggs at the best feed conversion possible. Even the fattest fucking leghorn hen is only ever good for pressure cooked chicken noodle soup.

>>534901300
Why is this supposed to bother me

>>534902688
>Imagine if you broke the same bone three times

I'm gonna break my bone off in your ass if you don't stop posting this faggot shit. Fuck chickens.

>>534907968
You’re fucking stupid. You need one rooster/cockerel per 10 hens on average.

8 week old cockerel meat is 50% of what you eat from the supermarket. I personally butcher a dual purpose breed of cockerels at 16-20 weeks and they’re incredibly tasty.

>>534911820
Chickens lives and interests matter

>>534902318
based

>>534911803
It isn't, same as when a Chink boils a living dog but for some reason vegans get their panties in a bunch

>>534902910
But what if I hate greese and want them to suffer?
Damn Canadian invaders shitting everywhere. They're worse than Pajeets!

>>534911518
You need two acres of grazing per average beef cow. There’s a shit load of animals that get crunched up in the planting and harvesting of ~20,000 lbs of corn. Don’t act retarded.

Debeaking isn’t a thing. Trimming is rare practice. I don’t need a fucking citation, I am the citation. I’m a livestock veterinarian. Google it yourself or prove that retards keeping chickens provide consistent nourishment, protection, shelter, and safety as opposed to a commercial op dedicated to achieving near perfect harvest goals. Tell me you’ve never raised a chicken in your life before.

Layers are exclusively only egg products. You don’t find leghorns in meat you tremendous fucking faggot, it’s Cornish cross. Completely different grow out and breeding protocols and males aren’t killed.

>>534912159
Thats speciesist

>>534908425
do your parents know that you're gay?

>>534911784
Ever been locked in a cage with 5 other niggers who are all chimping out and trying to beat you to death over a female they see one stall over?

You’d wish all your balls were chopped off at that point so you could just bro out and live with infinite buffet, water, shelter, and sunshine I guarantee it.

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>>534912222
Thats quads!

>>534912203
>There’s a shit load of animals that get crunched up in the planting and harvesting of ~20,000 lbs of corn. Don’t act retarded.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000632079390060E

Tew and MacDonald studied wood mice between 1987 and 1991 to understand how the harvesting of grain affects their numbers.[1] In one study, they fitted radio collars to 33 wood mice on three different sites. They wanted to find out how many of them are killed when a combine harvester shreds a wheat field. With all the propaganda about mass extinctions caused by crop harvesting, you might think that they were bracing themselves for a mouse apocalypse. Turns out, of the 33 mice, 32 survived the combined harvester – that’s 97% of them! The act of harvesting posed virtually no threat to these mice.

>>534912429
That’s a single case study of 30 mice you fucking disingenuous faggot. Quote the rest of it at least so you can prove me 100% right.

“… but the removal of the cover afforded by the crop greatly increased predation pressure on the mice. After harvest, mice either emigrated from the arable ecosystem or reduced activity. Nevertheless, over half (17 of 32) of the mice radio-collared before harvest were taken by predators in the first week following harvest. Together with emigration, this produced an 80% decrease in the population. Post-harvest activities such as stubble burning subsequently further increased mortality. The dramatic increase in prey availability may benefit predators of small mammals in the cereal ecosystem such as tawny owls Strix aluco and weasels Mustela nivalis.”

>>534912203
Studies show that hens with outdoor access engage in significantly more dustbathing, foraging, and wing flapping than those in commercial aviaries

>>534912617
Anybody who says the words “outdoor access” referencing animal welfare are marketing kikes with ulterior motives.

Outdoor access means opening an aviary door and putting 2 sq ft of enclosed cage outside of it. Whatever fake study you’re quoting is inherently biased and disingenuous.

And that’s coming from someone who farms hundreds of chickens in a GOOD outdoor access system where they have about a 1/3 indoor 2/3 outdoor living space situation with a stocking density 1/10th or less that of commercial standard.

>>534912548
But again like I said before >>534911518
Where’s the evidence more suffering, death, rights violations etc happen on an acre of wheat fields then an acre of wild land?

Because if there was never a wheat field I don’t see the evidence those same wild mice would be living better lives.

>>534902176

I love those videos done by people who have never worked on a dairy farm. Those Holstein cows have almost no maternal instinct left, they couldn't care less for their calves.

>>534912114
I'd call that inhumane, but I don't sweat the chinks for that; they can do as they like where they live

I loved when chef Jamie Oliver tried to traumatise little kids with this type of footage then asked sarcastically at the end: "So who wants nuggets?" before unveiling a big plate full of nuggies, and all the kids put their hands up completely unphased lmao. Based kids.

>>534912756
In a vegan animal sanctuary they are killed only when they have become so old or sick that it’s in the chickens best interests to die at that time. In a commercial operation they are killed when it’s most profitable which is often long before when they would be killed in a vegan animal sanctuary

>>534912765
You literally just found your own study that shows the exact opposite of what you believe, if you cared to read it past the first sentence.

Your precious vegan fields genocide dozens of species of living creatures at a rate far surpassing beef cow stocking density, and STILL you revert to your retarded goal post shifting.

Just don’t eat then, bro. That’s the solution. Neck yourself to save the animals, tranny.

What a hopeless human you are to not be able to even admit when you LITERALLY USE PEER REVIEWED SOURCES INCORRECTLY AND PROVE YOURSELF WRONG.

>>534901300
I had a fried chicken for last dinner

>>534912912
Reminds me of being shown gruesome traffic accident results as part of driver safety. All I took from it was that the folks they showed definitely went quick, so who cares what the corpse looks like

>>534912932
What do those vegan chickens eat, anon? Could it be mass produced corn/onions/wheat that kills even more animals by keeping a fucking chicken alive past its natural lifespan?

So let me get this straight, you’re keeping this thing alive with no purpose, no reason, and causing a negative impact on your local environment just to let it experience old age and suffering until you deem it time for you to kill it through a likely inadequate and painful methodology?

Maybe we should euthanize you when you’re 65 and have cancer by squeezing your head away from your shoulders until it snaps! That sounds humane and vegan, doesn’t it, anon?

>>534912938
Humans only directly killed one mouse in the study. Again >>534912765
Where’s the evidence more suffering, death, rights violations etc happen on an acre of wheat fields then an acre of wild land?

Because if there was never a wheat field I don’t see the evidence those same wild mice would be living better lives.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167880904002944
They found that following harvest, the akodonts ditched the fields and moved to grassy borders between the fields. By being adaptable and moving to a different habitat, they were able to avoid the harvesting machines as well as predators. The study found no evidence to indicate that their numbers were affected in any significant manner by the harvesting process.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10164-002-0073-8#page-1

In this extensive study, they fitted radio collars to 85 voles and studied them before and after mulching, mowing, harvesting, harvesting and ploughing.
As expected, they found that any removal of cover, such as harvesting, mowing, or grazing cattle, decreased the spatial activity and home-range size of the voles, meaning that they didn’t travel far from their homes without the cover of vegetation. But they did not abandon the fields and did not shift their centers of activity. The voles rapidly adapted to the decrease in the height of vegetation and changed their habits, their travel routes and how far they traveled. Jacob and Hempel found that pretty much the only danger that agriculture presented to voles was an increased risk of predation. But they adapted by changing their behavior until the vegetation grew back. In this extensive, real-life field study, which used no controls, no manipulation and surveyed all agricultural activities, the data shows that actions like harvesting pose no threat to the voles.

>>534901300
>it is more humane to let them get devoured by foxes in the wild

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>>534901300
We need a few of these for government employees.

>>534913157
You get nothing but AI from now on.

The answer is 6-40 animals dead per vegan acre.

Estimating the exact number of animals killed during the harvest of corn, onions, and wheat is challenging because mortality rates vary significantly based on the region, the specific machinery used, and the timing of the harvest. However, several ecological studies provide a baseline for understanding these "incidental takes."

General Estimates
Scientific estimates for total wildlife mortality in grain production typically range from 6 to 40 animals per acre annually.

Low-End Estimate: A widely cited 2003 study by Steven Davis estimated approximately 6 animals per acre (15 per hectare). This calculation was primarily based on mouse and rat mortality during harvest.

High-End Estimate: Researchers like Michael Archer have suggested numbers as high as 40 animals per acre (100 per hectare) in specific environments (like Australian grain belts), though these figures often include deaths from rodenticides and pest control in addition to mechanical harvesting.

>>534913124
>What do those vegan chickens eat, anon? Could it be mass produced corn/onions/wheat that kills even more animals by keeping a fucking chicken alive past its natural lifespan?

You keep saying this without providing evidence. I understand you may be referring to increased predation following harvest but studies show mixed evidence on this and also it’s not clear to me that if these wheat fields, corn fields, etc did not exist that those same mice would be living better lives.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1249&context=icwdm_usdanwrc

In 2002, an international team of scientists studied the movement and populations of female rats before and after harvest in western Java. when the rice is harvested, the rats actually shifted base into the fields. Why? Because post-harvest, there are large stacks of rice straw left in the fields to dry (they’re used as fodder for cattle). Although the home range of these rats temporarily decreased by 67% and the distance of their forays shrank by 35%, they actually relocated an average of 367 meters to exploit better opportunities available elsewhere

harvesting did not kill these rats by the thousands, or hundreds, or even a handful. even though harvesting increases risk of predation it’s a natural part of the lives of rodents. none of those who were radio-collared for the study were hunted by predators.