Why are the people here so territorial and unfriendly? Was it always this way?
>>534914465it was even worse before...by chance are you retarded?
No lost city folks on my country roads
>>534914599In the 1800s no trespassing signs were not a thing. >>534914655from what I know from Swedish movies swedish people are either very sad and quiet or just hysterically screaming for no reason
>>534914465Go back and stay back.
>>534914903it doesn't have to be this way everyone doesn't have to live in fear of each other
>>534914721There are probably less retarded comparisons, but:Stockholm = California (politically)Norrland = West Virginia (think Deliverance)Scania = Iowa (rural farmers, but also civilization like Texas)Most /pol/tard Sweden stereotypes are based on Stockholm.
>>534915518Norway seems more appalachiay overall, its geologically similar to the appalachian mountains just closer to the cost sort of like parts of canada aresweden seems like the more desirable flatter land next to it so maybe more like the shenandoah valley >Most /pol/tard Sweden stereotypes are based on Stockholm.I watched every Ingmar Begman film in high school but I was not sober.
>>534915650Think Norway here might be a bit similar to some Canada stereotypes in the US. They're peppy and outdoorsy.
>>534915709I mean like in the sense of also being narrow areas you can farm/settle surrounded by impenetrable hills.
>>534915792Might be true for some areas. Don't have a good enough feel for areas in the US.
>>534915972they have a sweden valley in pennsylvania, come home
>>534915972That's just what west Virginia is. I mean, the state overall, even around Morganstown, doesn't really like the gubmint. But when you get to southern west VA, like around Kentucky, it's just families who own entire roads up and down the feet of the mountains, who have lived there for generations and generations. That's how rugged it gets. That's pretty much the only place that anti-government without government on the East Coast. Like the other anons said, the area around Shanendoah mountains is also nice, like around Skyline too, but just face the facts: there is nothing like west VA
>>534917638by families you mean lumber and mining companiessouthern WV actually still has mining going on
>>534917806Some of that is there sure. But I mean like how families just own a road down there that they've lived on for generations and generations, and multiple homes will just be different parts of the same family.
>>534918162I wouldn't describe it as like one family owns a big huge area - that isn't as common, I would describe it as one (or two) families own a holler and most people in the holler are relatedor like a man marries a woman and both of their families move to the holler and there's a buncha different trailers or cabins for all of them in this one little areait's not like vast estates - I mean they do have that, but that's not as common and not in WV (I wanna say I did find some random huge homes somewhere in western WV maybe between Wheeling and Morgantown but I'd have to look it up it was around Easter and they had this HUGE fancy decoration setup for their mansion
>>534918478No yeah, but usually its an entire road and it's like 3 or 4 different houses, which is significant. It certainly isn't wealth though, and they aren't big homes, usually just some shacks. That's how it is in west Virginia.
>>534918524at least 3-4 homes and sometimes there's like little buildings which I'm not sure if are homes or guest quarters or what, it's more like compoundsin any event. it's not a friendly place if you aren't related to them there's some random huge homes in WV to say nothing of the people who got rich off mining and logging and own the big houses on the top of the hill - they have those in parts of WV, especially the southern partI wanna say Don Blankenship had a huge mansion on a mountain before he got cancelled. There's definitely SOME larger homes in WV, and outside of WV, in appalachia, there's plenty of mansions and the wealth disparity is significant. I was down I wanna say near Tug Fork and there were some huge homes up on the tops of hills.
>>534918675Oh yeah. Pockets of wealth, I know exactly the types of areas in west Virginia you're talking about. But those are usually the more well adjusted, suburban areas in west Virginia, and yeah there are some really nice areas.
>>534918745I need to get me back to that part. The problem is it's totally inaccessible. I mean, if you have an ATV then I guess that's different, but otherwise you have to know a local or pay good money (200-500 a day) for an ATV tour cuz there's no real hiking trails in southern WV outside of New River Gorge and there's not much public in general a few little parks, Twin Falls is nice, but most of its private and owned by holding companies. >But those are usually the more well adjusted, suburban areas in west Virginiaeh I feel like maybe parts near Morgantown or PA come closest to qualifying as suburban but its more just like extended sprawl cuz Morgantown is only 50k people. There's some money there, and separately, some money in the extreme southern part from the mining. And theres just big stretches of nothing. Southern WV is really pretty to tour around there's just not a ton of places to stop (legally). The OP picture is actually western regular virginia looking north I think into kentucky maybe 50 mi west of WV's western border (but south of that)
>>534914465>Why are the people here so territorial and unfriendly?Because you don't respect their customs. When you visit someone else's house you should abide by their rules.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_(Greek)
>>534918961I try to be as nice and friendly as possible. Not damage anything, etc. I'm not trying to cause trouble. I just find these vast expanses of ruralia fascinating.You won't even get in their home. You don't really talk to locals unless they are out on their porch and initiate it. It's just a bit of a cold place.
>>534914465Some of my family are from west virginia but going back it was all virginia and they went back to the colonies. They were poor but all served in the military and fought in all of America's wars. When I was a little kid, I got to visit an aunt in West Virginia in the 90s who didn't have running water and she was 90+ years old. It was shocking. Her house looked like it was from the 19th century.
>>534914465>gibs me your shitthat's what humans are about, in a nutshell
>>534919096which county was your aunt in?
>>534918954Yeah that whole area is beautiful. The entire state of west virginia is beautiful. I went to school at Frostburg, so I always loved the scenic trails around there too. western MD/west VA/Shenandoah and west VA is amazing.
>>534919190That's a good question. I'll have to ask my mom next time I talk to her. I was really young. It was in the mountains.
>>534919223Frostburg seemed a bit run down, slightly disappointing. I mean it's an interesting location but not a whole lot happening there, and Cumberland looks like a beautiful grand old town when you drive through it - until you step outside your car and see the drug zombies. >so I always loved the scenic trails around there too.have you been to murder mountain? https://cullmantimes.com/2017/09/15/girlfriend-charged-in-death-of-maryland-man-found-naked-in-forest-2/https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/maryland/high-rockthe tower (right next to the rock) is fenced off which is stupid you would get much better views from the tower, they should fix it up and open it to the public or add another one for the public if that one's just for comms
>>534914721>In the 1800s no trespassing signs were not a thing.If you're not damaging or stealing anything then you are committing no crime.You also have the right to travel under common law and you may enter someone's property if you have a good reason to. I think part of the problem is that many people have actually FORGOTTEN their own rights.
>>534919378Dans Rock/Mountain is the place to go at Frostburg, and since most people who go to Frostburg are from Frederick and like to camp, Deep Creek was also very popular. Never went to high rock. Last time I was out that way was for work, I had to go to westernport, MD for an insurance claim (I'm an adjuster) and the road was literally straight up the side of a mountain. It broke my car and I had to get a new one, no joke.
>>534918961Respect isn't a one-way street.
>>534919515No it was a crime to trespass back then and could get you killed if unannounced just like today as far as I know.
>>534919515Yeah I don't want to get shot so I generally stay out unless it's a case where like I said, the power company owned a 500 ft section before you got to a huge tract of state owned landIt's just a super unwelcoming place purple tree markers and no trespassing signs everywhere. >>534919544I've been to Dan's Rock I wanna say 3-4 times now, there' like a main part and you could also wander off to a larger rocky outcropping but I haven't done that cuz it looks harder and I'm always tired when I go. There was also St Johns rock (sketchy in winter bring spikes), and the issue with deep creek is there's NO VIEW OF THE LAKE, and if you want the view there WAS a fire tower but it was only open certain saturdays and they recently closed it entirely due to "structural instability" instead of you know just putting in a new towerthis sort of neglectful attitude is what fascinates me the most, they don't really put much effort at all into making it accessiblethere's also "the pinnacle" which is I wanna say south of dan's rock on the same ridgeline (which turns into dolly sods eventually) that you can mostly drive to but its a rough road>and the road was literally straight up the side of a mountainthat was where the western md railroad was headquartered originally that connected baltimore and the coal mining/logging hinterlands of WVthere's an overlook THERE too "queen's seat" or something like that but its on private property and im too pussy to ask (and they will say no)>It broke my car and I had to get a new one, no joke.I got a crossover in a slightly off-road trim to try to minimize the destruction. I've had damage to the steering rack, oil pan, control arms, brakes, and differential from the rough roads of appalachia.
>>534919756>No it was a crime to trespass back then and could get you killed if unannounced just like today as far as I know.No it wasn't and it still isn't. It's literally a civil matter at best and last time I checked it's legal to kill someone over a civil matter in ZERO states.
>>534919890Are you one of those sovereign citizens?
>>534919923Are you illiterate?
>>534919756>As far as I knowYou really think in the past with a big open country and no formal roads it was illegal for someone to walk across your property to the next one?This whole "complicated roads run by the state everywhere" or even well-marked property just wasn't a thing in the past, you had a bunch of dirt paths, some more formal roads, but even fairly recently in rural parts of new york we didn't really have formal roads, I'm talking less than 50 years ago.>>534919890This. The way trespassing actually works is that unless it's some private fenced in yard (not like some wire fence a real fence) they can try to charge you for trespassing if you saw and ignored a sign, but odds are nothing happens. Trespass is a crime slapped on other crimes to make the sentence worse, they don't go after it on its own. People see those signs and watch movies and get scared>They must all be hillbilly rednecks ready to kill me out here like in the disney movies!Real life doesn't work that way.
>>534919997That's exactly how it worked. Virginia plots just like the rest of the United States came from the English which came from the Normans. It was pretty uniform. Yes there were roads to between their properties. There were roads all over. What are you smoking? They had horses and carts. Do you think they just frolicked across the fields and through the forest? it wasn't the wild west and even then it was alot more organized during expansion than you think. A lot of property lines have not changed but just been parsed off into more squares of land.
>>534919997The funny thing is that "trespass" is just a translation of "tort" so a sign that says "no trespassing" is essentially saying "no torting" but what tort is being committed? If it's fenced off then that's different but if it's an open space then it's public access.
>>534920100>That's exactly how it workedNo, lmao. I'm telling you you have no idea how it worked back then. You have roads coming about because they're in a good spot and usable and served a purpose>You really think?Ridiculous strawman, read a book nigger.>They were quite organized or somethingThey weren't, everyone had a rough idea. You don't realize how vast the land was back then and how hard it is to "properly" divide up land covered in trees and rocks and hills. The land eventually gets blocked off from those dividing stone walls and such that they might erect at the edge of property lines, but those aren't on every field or anything like that.>It was illegal for someone to walk across your property onto the next oneShow me literally ONE singular case of this being prosecuted.>>534920156Yeah an old translation of an old law.
>>534920156they would just fence everything off if you changed the law to thatI guess it's mostly unfencedformer coal mines - they fence that off
>>534920245How do you think it worked? You think that you would travel through multiple pieces of land to get to your property? These roads would be agreed upon for travel within their communities just like today. Today you have several households on a parcel of land that have a road share agreement that is not publicly serviced land. It was like that back then but on a larger scale.
>>534919060We value our privacy. We're real friendly in public; but I'm not letting strangers into my house.
>>534920281In England almost all private land is fenced off because if it's not then you have the lawful excuse of it being open to the public. I'd imagine it's pretty similar in the USA since it's based on the same laws.
>>534920281>they would just fence everything off if you changed the law to thatThat's literally what they did at one point in the past to establish property lines, as that was the only way to establish them. With our modern slave society people just naturally stay in their cuck plots and forgot about the old laws that are still in effect, so the fences are no longer there.>>534920329You posted a bunch of made up words. Fuck off, retard.
>>534914465>This land is my land>It is not your land>I've gotta shot gun >And you don't got one >If you don't get off>I'll blow your head off>This land is private property
>>534920245The dividing stones you are talking about are pre-barbed wire livestock boundaries. They are rare now but you can see remnants in some places. Essentially like bocages in Europe.
>>534920355That is literally how it is for a great deal of land, some extremely rural stuff is no longer fenced off because of the isolation but when farmers were clearing and maintaining fields they'd build stone walls, or make wooden fences, or other things like that, and if the field is used for agriculture it's assumed you don't walk through it or fuck with it so there's no need to fence it eventually.If you're talking something in the city yeah the vast majority will be fenced. In the countryside people have forgotten common law and much of it is still open, or old barbed wire fences have decayed and not been replaced because there's the preferred method of just a posted sign now. It's just assumed people will stay in their own little boxes.
>>534920329Maybe in already established places you could argue that but not out in the west. Nobody was going "hmm I need to get to the next town but this open field might belong to someone so I better take a 50 mile detour just to be sure!"The law actually states that you CAN go through someone's property IF it's necessary, yeah if there's a road next to it then follow the road, but let's say there are two roads in parallel and they don't meet for like 100 miles, but I'm dead in the middle and I need to cross over to the other road that is the other side of your field, it wouldn't be unreasonable to go across it
>>534920357You are a retard that thinks there were no roads in the 1800s.
>>534920502Quote anywhere I said that. Actually read the posts instead of absurdist strawmans.
>>534920357>That's literally what they did at one point in the past to establish property linesmy understanding was in frontier appalachia you carved a symbol with an axe into a tree and that was your claim, other than your gun, I guess that is a good explanation for a lot of the low stone fences I see >>534920355I didn't know that. I suppose it is more that way in urban/suburban areas but in the woods there's much less fencing but a continuum of no trespassing signs or just purple paint because the law is that there must be some sort of marking for it to be trespassing - i.e. that they were warned - so public land often just has NO markings, rather than any sort of identifying markings saying "public land">>534920365see picI just feel like America could accomplish more with cooperation but there's this looming specter that if you aren't just doing things with your family unit alone or for money you are evil.
>>534920485You would not find yourself in that situation unless you were lost though. Why would you be in someone's land trying to get to some town? Any travelers would use ROADS just like we use today only they were for horses and carts. We are talking about eastern US, not the great planes where you are riding across the prairie.
>>534919515it's actually illegal to travel in the USA. Americans hate having rights and always vote to delete them. No exceptions to this
>>534914465If it was, would it answer your question?If it weren't, would it make any difference?
>>534920642yesyes, I would wonder what changed to make people get more hostile its more a general question about if others have noticed this intense territorial facade in rural america where being unfriendly is almost the point
>>534920619>Eastern USYou don't know what life was like in rural NY, much less something like rural PA. That's why you don't seem to understand, you simply have no idea of the scale and disorganization, or how people used to act.>Bro, why would you cut across a field back then, use a ROAD!People cut across fields nowadays even with complicated city plans and state-built roads everywhere, we have the most complicated road system to ever exist and people still do it.You do not know what rural life used to be like.>>534920546Yeah. You might have some claim, but it's a big open country, and I don't think people really cared nearly as much if you weren't stealing or breaking shit as they do today.
>>534920619There's a bunch of military bases in Appalachia and theres some canyons where they are very narrow so the planes will practice divebombing down an altitude of just maybe 500-1000 ft above your head its annoying as fuck you can be somewhere pretty remote (as long as its a larger river canyon they can fit in) and it will happen >>534920734I don't want to steal or break anything, I just want to see cool views and I do get the sense the world was a bit more permissive towards that back in the 50s and 60s when people had cars to go outside but it wasn't all legalized. I actually spend some time in rural NY and PA, interesting places, pine creek gorge, tug hill plateau. I don't know what it's like to LIVE there, but I visit.
>>534914465Things urbanites will never understand
>>534920546The thing is you could just say "I didn't see any signs", or maybe you can't even read, illiteracy was a problem back then too whereas you can't accidently climb over a fence and if you break it then that's a crime in itself.I've often found though that landowners are more concerned about being held liable for injury than anything. It's not that they're really care if you're in their woods but they don't want you to get hurt and then sue them which is also more of an American problem.
>>534920721>yes>yesThen there's no reason for a thread.>>534920721>I would wonder what changed to make people get more hostileDoesn't matter. They're hostile.Do you think you could change them?Enough to make a difference in your lifetime?Why not replace them?Maybe somebody has tried.Maybe that's why they're hostile.
>>534920619>>534920734OK, so you're on the blue road. You need to get to the other blue road, both roads curve up towards the ridge line where the ridge road is established. What do you do?>Cut across the farmer's field that has a path that he goes through>Walk all the way up the hill to the ridge line and then walk all the way back down the hillLike this, some people live in the real world and others don't. Apply this to anything, roads built on ridges and cutting across some woodland, knowing a shortcut but it's through someone else's land, happened literally all the time. Saves miles of travel.>They would just establish a road there!Fuck off you're not putting a road through my land.>>534920847You largely can just get away with it though, the trick is to just walk and don't ask for permission. You will encounter some schizo crazy people but whatever, once you get far enough away from main roads people become extremely rare.
>>534920721>>534920950Maybe the problem is you can't leave shit alone.
>>534920971I just get panic attacks if I try its not fun. I did a hike where it was hunting season and I didn't realize it and I didn't realize they closed most of this park off (well not closed just put up signs saying to fuck off if you weren't hunting) and I did this hike anyways cuz technically the hike is on non-hunting land but anyways and it was really nervewracking nobody wants to end up in a rural jail where they can make an example out of you. It should be much easier to find who owns land and to ask for permission.
>>534914465Nice spot to build a house.
>>534921038>I did something retarded and got scaredYeah that's normally what happens>I get paranoid on rural isolated landThat's mental illness, you're thinking about manmade rules that don't even exist when the nearest person is 10 miles away watching TV or something>It should be much easier to find who owns land and askYes, it should be.
>OMG LOOKIN AT THAT HECKIN SCENARY>MY COUNTRY ROADS TAKE ME HOME
>>534920734>>534920546I don't know what the hillbillies got up to in appalachia once they got there. I'm sure they got all tribal about territory but Virginia colony was extremely organized. All the English were pedantic about how they did property lines. People were granted a certain amounts of land each in certain periods by the king. It wasn't just law of the jungle. This kind of organization was the beginning of how things are now. Virginia is basically like England. In England people took roads and didn't trespass through eachother's lands back in the day. Wasn't a big issue of the English Civil war about border disputes with livestock? This shit was no different here. Having land was what America was all about. You couldn't have it in England unless you were some lord.
>>534921100>you're thinking about manmade rules that don't even exist when the nearest person is 10 miles away watching TV or somethingthere was a dude in a game lands truck or something like that who came by as I was driving to the parking area so that spooked me goodand there were other people there, here's a popular hike nearby, I just didn't do that one, and THAT hike is set up as a state park specifically to exempt it from hunting closures I guessits just weird to me to make people totally fuck off for hunting rather than just to say wear orange and have hunters and hikers in the same space like it usually iswho would be stupid enough to shoot onto a trail? I was hiking through game lands and there was this guy I guess stalking prey and he was like 100 ft off the trail just standing there in the woods and that was fucking spoopy
>>534920971In England if a way has been used for at least twenty years without any objections then it's considered a common law right-of-way.>>534921158People crossed fields all the time in England and they still do.
>>534921158>Border disputesHappen because of contested land. Land gets contested because people contest things.>Extremely organizedDoesn't matter how "organized" you think it was, it wasn't. And doesn't mean it's not quicker and more efficient to just cut across some field or someone's backyard to reach somewhere faster, which they would do without a second thought.>>534921195I mean here's an england guy saying all this stuff is true and I'm right, but you say IN ENGLAND IN ENGLAND all the time, yeah the past was much more free than today.>>534921182You generally should just fuck off on hunting, or at least dress like a hunter and nobody is gonna care. If you had a hunting license they're also not gonna care because you're indistinguishable from a hunter at that point.>Who would be stupid enough to shoot onto a trail?Accidents happen, not everyone knows where all trails are.
>>534920971The only reason you would be on some mountain in west virginia surrounded by a bunch of tribal scots irish is if you had business of being here. This whole argument is built on the idea that people would just be travelling through folks land all the time. People had their homes and they knew their neighbors. There would be roads through the mountains that people would know to take and that would be that.
>>534921158>I don't know what the hillbillies got up to in appalachia once they got there.1. grow corn2. make moonshine3. raise animals4. sell their meatoh and probably tobacco too if it was the southern part or low elevation enough I think they at one point had tobacco processing plants all the way north to connecticut and also logging and mining-wise but i think subsistence corn and sheep/goats is pretty commonpigs/cows less so - but there's wild/feral pigs in some parts wonder if they used to be domesticated or were always there>about border disputes with livestock? there's this really cool trail along a creek that used to be a logging railroad and it used to be open from basically the source to the mouth of the creek until the 80s, there was a big flood and the trail was washed away and they didn't rebuild the part downstream of the main waterfall, and it was privately owned, but before then it had been open to the public, and a hiking guide asked the owners why it closed and they said something like "molesting livestock"america is just casually feudal
>>534921303Legitimately what are you talking about, this is mental illness at this point. I post a real life example - that's literally the place I grew up in where we had a ridge road, a field, and another road, and you make up more excuses.>There would be roads people take and that would be thatNo, you would not walk all the way up and then back down that hill if you had a path through that other guy's property.
>>534921195I know England has laws for walking today but back then they would travel on ROADS. The only people walking across the land that were not living there would be up to no good.
>>534921289>You generally should just fuck off on huntingin my defense i did not KNOW there was hunting that day and they could easily LIST on their website which days the hunting is on but they don't and I hadn't called ahead and frankly it ended up being fine but this is only a Tennessee problem as they are the only ones who are annoying about this and totally close game lands for hunting days and do so often.
>>534921289In England we have rights of way and I can't believe that you don't have something similar in the USA since your laws are based on ours. If a way has been used for over twenty years without any objections then it can become a common law right of way which means it can't be blocked off by the owner. If the landowner does try to block off a right of way then that is unlawful obstruction and you can legally remove it to get through.Americans like to make fun of England but in some ways were are still more free.
>>534921385England doesn't technically have the right to roam laws that Scotland does although it probably will soon because it makes sense. As it stands though even if I was caught going across your land then literally nothing would happen. You could try to take me to court and prosecute me but that's going to cost you more than you'd get and that's if you know who I am. I could just run off.
>>534921489Yeah we don't really have that, maybe we did at one point in the past but "right of way" now only refers to the rights the city has - there's a space between the side of the road and your property that they own, for example. It's never used to talk about some individual's right to walk through land.So now you really do have to walk all the way around, although I do just cut through fields because I'm not an NPC. Those areas are never blocked off either, there's not even enough foot traffic anywhere in the countryside to worry about someone walking on your tractor path or whatever.>>534921556Well fields here just aren't blocked off in most circumstances and chances are they're not gonna call the cops because you're walking across, but if you stay and play around and mess with stuff they might, or if their fruit / vegetables are in season they might.So you can just walk and they can't do anything. Most people aren't gonna get in their car and drive all the way to the end of a field to yell at some person walking on it, it's mostly delusional stories people tell in their own heads that scare them for this stuff.And if it's something like corn / basedbean / whatever odds are the field is visited like twice a year by some megafarmer with a tractor renting it, so it wouldn't matter if you walked on a tractor path.
It's like the inhabitants of great britain versus that of colonies. Between being the old dominion state, one of the 13 orginal colonies, home and birthplace of the largest number of most influential founding fathers, and later the capital of the confederacy with all the resentment that comes alon with that and war of northern aggression, the reconstruction occupation, and opportunistic carpetbagger snakes which is itself inflamed by seeing history repeat itself in the occupation of nova and the reignition of old conflicts in the destruction of the monuments of reconciliation you get Virginians views of outsiders. Basically, we're the landed gentry and just better than you. You'll get a bit of it in some southern cities with a lot of old blood like Savannah too. Theres a similar ego in the the northeast but it differs because they don't have the same manners and a lot more new blood that made it rich with industrialization. One think we share however is knowing the east coast is actual america and the rest, especially west of the mississippi, are just provincials.
>>534921813>Basically, we're the landed gentryamerica has no landed gentryiirc the royal family and hell maybe the whole ass aristocracy is exempt from taxesin america if you stop paying property taxes you give it up (although I assume its more of a come and take it situation in more rural areas)nothing is inherited guaranteedamerica is informal disorganized feudalism its still just as rapacious and inequitable, but the official titles are gone and now its just "timber holding company" instead of "baron whateverhisface"
>>534914465Almost heaven
>>534921905Keep telling yourself that budy. With conservation easements your taxes can be reduced to practically nothing in some cases. Pile homes on the historic registry and the further tax breaks and grants that comes with it you barely have to do a thing.>>534918745>suburban>niceIf you really want to know where the money is you look for stables. A farm and a multimillionaire or billionaires estate can look surprisingly similar from the road.
>>534921813No, some of the first colonists were second, third, fourth, and so on sons of gentlemen in the 1600s when it was more like a bloated middle class and they wouldn't have inherited anything.
>>534922192I hate horses. I hate horse people. I hate places with horses.
>>534922204I think many early settlers to Appalachia were not rich and were maybe sharecroppers or something similar to that in Europe or lived in villages and Appalachia offered an opportunity to own their own land, however remote or small a plot, that wouldn't be possible in Europe.
>>534921019No, that's never the problem. :)
>>534922330Many of the Virginia company colonists were gentlemen because their fathers sponsored the company. Colonists after usually earned a certain amount of lands like 100 acres or whatnot for coming coming over if they could pay for the journey. This became a problem because they didn't have enough people to farm the land so then they would drag up the poor people from London and of course the Irish to come over and work off the debt as sharecroppers or indebted servants. That was a massive failure and thus they went to slavery. But around the time of William of Orange there were a bunch of Scots Irish that would come later from Ulster and those were probably the most prominent ones to settle in Appalachia. They were basically sent into the frontier as buffers against the Indians. They came from the borders of Scotland and England and all they knew how to do was fight and raise livestock. Those were the reason why we call them hillbillies. They are King Billy's boys.
>>534914465they love virgins
>>534922643you are talking about settlers in eastern, plantation virginia, I am talking about settlers in western, unfarmable virginia>they were all from ulsterkinda amazing to write off all the other ethnicities in appalachia as nonexistent german settlers just didn't make a big deal about them being german and assimilated and became the default "white"the dahle family for which dolly sods is named were not from ulster
>>534922758Most the Germans back then were not in what is now West Virginia though. That's what we are talking about right? Moonshining, outsider hating hillbilllies right? We are talking about the 1700s when colonists were expanding out of the fertile east into the western mountains right? Those were most Scots Irish. But not everything today is what it is now. You have understand that after the war, everyone became poor in the south except Yankee carpet baggers. But deep down, they are a warrior people, that fought each other for centuries on boarders of England and Scotland. They were excellent frontiersmen.
>>534922941There's plenty of stuff with german names in WV proper. I have walked up to irl people in WV, asked them where they were from, and they said Germany, without hesitation. They spoke perfect English. The woman got offended when I asked if the whorehouses were still up down the riverbank (I don't think so but I didn't check). There were tons of German immigrants, as well as slovenian migrants, Italians, and a lot of French, esp. normandy there's tons of mullineux and variants of that namethere's a "germany valley" in west virginiaI met a walnut farmer in west virginia a few months ago - asked him where he was from - he said americans dating back as far as he knew - looked up his last name - german
>>534923058Sure there are Germans but majority of the population came from Scots Irish or English. But of course it depends because West Virginia didn't exist until the Civil War and of course it borders Pennsylvania which was a Dutch colony.
>>534923253No, Germans just consider themselves as "Americans" and see themselves as non-ethnic because of the long history of anti-German tensions in the US and the fact that they are the #1 most common ethnic group but also seen as ya know nazis a little bit still. German-Americans see themselves as Americans. But many, many settler families came from there originally, as well as other places in Europe.
>>534914465If I move there as a cityfag, in which ways can people make my life hell?
>>534923253The other way you know they are German is because there's so many baptists. I think a lot of early Appalachian migrants were german ana-baptists this category includes the amish, mennonites, freewill baptist, and many other adult-baptism sects and found refuge in the USthere's not a lot of baptists in ulsternor are there anglican churches in appalachia>>534923499they just won't talk to you and will be cold to you until you make a clear effort to get to know them
>>534923415Scots Irish were the largest immigration group before the American Revolution. I'm not downplaying German American heritage, I have that myself but it's a simple fact that most Germans did not come until the 1800s and the discussion of how they were viewed in the 1900s is not even a discussion when we are talking about Appalachian settlers.
>>534923668what religion were the ulsters? where are their ulster churches now?all i see is baptist, maybe some pentecostal and apostolic >I'm not downplaying German American heritagehe says while doing thatdo you think ALL the immigrants were counted in fucking appalachia?
>>534919515>If you're not damaging or stealing anything then you are committing no crime.This is true but incursion and voluntary entry are both torts at common law and both are actionable without proof of damage.
>>534923843hippity hoppityabolishprivate property
>>534923726They were Pentecostal and they went to Ulster for opportunity to settle new land and get away from English protestant discrimination. The Catholic Irish in Ulster didn't like them either of course. So they naturally were eager to come to the US. That's why they are called scots-irish. Not sure what that has to do with today though. Many Germans for example were Catholics or Lutheran and they had no choice in the matter depending on where their lord ended up after the 30 years war.
>>534914465Yup, and it's a good thing, it's part of our survival instinct. Leftist braindead retards just trying to erase this life saving instincts out of you.
>>534924003hmm WAY more baptists than pentecostals nowalso bell/ball/balli is a german name and theres a BUNCH of different farms dating back to the 1800s in various parts of appalachia including WV with this nameyou just don't notice the subtle germanity everywhere >Many Germans for example were Catholics or Lutheran catholics are notably rare in most of WV and appalachia in general the germans in appalachia are far more likely to be baptist or some variant of amish or amish lite like mennonite or church of the brethren - all dating back to german anabaptists who left germany for religious persecution (and because there was more land in america)
>>534924176We are talking about the 1700s though. The people who stayed in the mountains for generations and have the redneck mentality are mostly going to come from that group. But you are confusing 18th century with 19th century onward. Today we have Germans everywhere and we are all mixed and our relatives have travelled all over the country. In the 1700s though these people were fresh off the boat from pre-industrialized Europe. They were more pure from wherever they came from. Today there is German all over. It's taken over the gene pool. But when people think of OG Appalachians, it ain't Germans who were a minority in most the country until after the civil war
>>534924329well, to be fair I'm mostly talking about the boom years of 1870-1910. I think that's when most of the people came. I'm very interested in Appalachia as this place that was once prosperous and lives as a shadow of its former self. But since later settlers outnumber earlier ones, I think my point, which is saying Appalachia is more German than British, is valid. >germans used to not be the majority, but they are now, we can agree? happy ending
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>>534924542I don't think I've ever heard about Danish immigrants to Appalachia. Nor dutch. Lowlands germans just did not come I guess.
>>534924406Everything shifted around in those years who knows. In my state there are clearly areas that eventually became owned by Germans when obviously the initial settlers would have been mostly anglo before the civil war.
>>534924631Ok, well my point was more that the people who are there NOW, and for the last 100 years are majority German (with a lot of surrounding areas like Northern Italy and France and Slovenia) and its not just some British monoculture at all. >In my statemmm
>>534924003Presbyterian* not Pentecostal.
>>534924739don't see much of that eitherI was gonna say I thought pentecostal was more related to baptist but I don't know much about religion just noticing the types of churches I pass on my trips through the areaappalachia is mostly low protestant and I think presbyterian is considered high protestant cuz they have an organized clerical structure or something like that
>>534914465Boomers had a stable world and got bored..
>>534924870i think their parents weren't much different
>>534924870You lost tranny
>>534924870phone posting ought to be a bannable offense. site would be so much better without some tweens horrid assdribblings where seven words are crunched to a line.
>>534922265Why do you hate horse people? My daughter is about to take riding lessons
>>534926644kinda stuck up insular, for rich peoplehorses RUIN hiking trails and I mean ruinruin bike trails tooand driving in an area with horse people?go slow or you will hit a horseI nearly took out an amish kid at a crossing last summer in ohio. also all the horse people in school were annoying tooits just a weird aristocratic rich people thingin rome the people who rode horses were literally the upper class
