>The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his 'natural superiors,' and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous 'cash payment.' It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.>The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers.>The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
>people expect to paid for their labor>some people wage>so capitalism is bad>please give your wealth to the Politburo to be "redustributed" please thxLeftceldom is a hell of a drug.
>>534937680When you smoke Prager U and shoot up based furries for Trump, everything else will seem like a drug
>>534937786>shit that doesn't happenYour "comrade" drives a Chaika while you take the bus.
>>534937062Marx really said that after a few hundred years of authoritarian socialist rule, the state will eventually just kinda go awayAnd you autists think that's remotely possible
>>534937990Where did he say that?
>>534937866If I have a job that is close by and his requires shifting destinations, I have no issue with this.
>>534938158It's communism 101 that they are rightfully embarrassed over, so they never talk about ithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_statehttps://www.marxists.org/archive/hardcastle/1946/wither_away.htm
>>534938182So why does he get a Chaika while others get Ladas?
>>534937062>The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.this is caused by antifamily courts that kidnap children from their fathers
>>534938158Communism is just anarchism but somehow even more retarded
>>534937062>The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation
>>534938255So nowhere>>534938280Generally because he conducts business and discussions while driving
>>534938292The communal ownership of children and the dissolution of the family is another thing leftcels don't like to talk about in 2026. If it helps to understand where this is coming from, Marx and Engels were both 6'3+ if you adjust for inflation, and both were wealthy and Engels was athletic.Hope this helps everybody understand this better.
>>534938380So are suggesting that ZiLs and Chaikas existed for purely utilitarian reasons? Why not have him ride in a soundproofed bus or truck then?
>>534938401It means custody is decided by the local soviet of fellow workers.
>>534938461Why something that big?
>>534938380From Engels> The first act by virtue of which the State really constitutes itself the representative of the whole of society – the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society – this is, at the same time, its last independent act as a State. State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous and then dies out of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. The State is not ‘abolished.’ It dies out.This is the gay nonsense YOU believe
>>534938523It could be a van as well. I mean you're the one making excuses for obvious excesses of the nomenklatura.The later ZiLs were just as big as busses in terms of length.
>>534938554>From EngelsBut you insisted and swore Marx wrote it. So let me see where before I talk about Engels. Just go make sure I am not talking with a clinically retarded drooling cocksucker who has never read a book in his life and gets his worldview from YouTube and wikipedia. Just to reassure me, I mean, I'm sure that's not the case
>>534938468Yeah, but the production of those children isn't decided by democratic methods Engels himself made a distinction here. I wonder why?
>>534938626I would not personally like the idea of receiving a visit from a government van on official business that wants me to get inside
>>534937062>>The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
>>534938763I think you need more sleep
>>534938723My bad, it was Marx's co-author for his manifesto. Big difference there and my argument is vanquished.
>>534938723Apparently you are the drooling retard here "Marx explains this question most thoroughly in his Critique of the Gotha Programme (letter to Bracke, May 5, 1875, which was not published until 1891 when it was printed in Neue Zeit, vol. IX, 1, and which has appeared in Russian in a special edition). The polemical part of this remarkable work, which contains a criticism of Lassalleanism, has, so to speak, overshadowed its positive part, namely, the analysis of the connection between the development of communism and the withering away of the state"
>>534938987Most of Marx's output wasn't his Manifesto which was requested by communists to state the goals and platform of communism--none of which have anything to do with what you're saying.What Engels is saying is that a state for the working class owning all property for them, ultimately ceases to be a state. A state is a tool one class uses to subjugate another. When there is only one class, it gradually cease to function that way. To give an example, in Cuba, every worker in a community is trained how to use a gun, and each community has their own armory of firearms which community members can check out in order to bring order in cases of law enforcement. This is, so to speak, state law enforcement, but as you can see it is in a quite different sense than what we normally mean by state>>534939073>it is explained in a placeYeah, clinical retarded cocksucker and pure non reader
>>534938837But you would if he was in a Volga, Chaika or ZiL? Why?
>>534938902>evades when pressed on a central tenant of his ideologyExpected.By the way, while this side conversation is going, could you explain to me why only higher level Party officials had access to western luxury goods and media?
>>534939676Because those generally aren't used to arrest or wiretap people
>>534939485>Has no argumentThis is why you lost and will keep losing tranny, zero academic ability to debate, just act like an angry third grader when you lack cognitive retorts
>>534940140>Volgas were not used to arrest you
>>534939914>a central tenantA one-off paragraph from Engels is a central tenant? The Manifesto gives the central tenantsParties can be corrupt, especially as their composition grows. That is precisely why Xi had been purging the CCP and trying to make workers its bread and butter and promote them to higher level management
>>534940301The dissolution of the family is a central tenet of your ideology, and its a plank of the CM.>parties can be corruptYes, which is why the state withering away is an embarrassing idea.>Xi is purging the CCPWhen will the Chinese state dissolve?
>>534940301>That is precisely why Xi had been purging the CCP and trying to make workers its bread and butter and promote them to higher level managementAmazing anecdote from the psychic hotlines of the 90s Ms Cleo, but you clearly know fuck all of the internal politics and corruption of Chinese governmentLiving in mansions, drinking fine wine at every event with other rich party members and politicians, wearing nice suits and eating well, truly he represents the peak end goals of Communism and is just the average enjoyments and luxuries shared by all Chinese
>>534940687It's not a plank, in fact Marx says capitalism destroyed the family for the working classYou haven't read the CM which is why you keep on about a paragraph that isn't even a point in the CM or a single constitution of any Marxist party anywhere in the world, ever
>>534940710I get my information about the CCP from The Economist which is hardly biased in their favor
>il dat mandarin oranw fwosty wine? Yes mow pweaseLady servants, man servants, looks like Aristocracy of the Highest bourgeois levels, but according to one retard in thread, this is the opposite of corruption, and is the true face of a Marxist republic that represents the interests of even it's lowest proles
I am trying to find a pic of this man just drinking water, but nope, all fine wine and luxurious suitsI sure wish I was Chinese I didn't know communism was so good!
>>534941086I drink wine too...
Ah yes, Roe and Caviar, truly a common staple of even the poorest households in Marxist countries
>>534940849>Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.>On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.>The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.>Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.>But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.>And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the intervention direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.>The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.>marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm>but anon, he is talking about the bourgeois family structureAka traditional family. >but we'll replace it with communal structuresHasn't happened in 100+ years of your ideology existence. Stalin had to undo some of the reforms brought in by Lenin in this area due to how fucked the USSR was getting.
>>534941270I eat caviar too on special occasions and it'a certainly normal for diplomatic functions. Actually a lot cheaper than truffles.
>>534941371>he is talking about the traditional familyNo, Marx uses bourgeois to mean the capitalist class
>>534941389>Anon claiming to champion the "working class" ideology of jews also knows about the trufflesAh yes, that meme
>>534941578I love food. Plenty of working class people spend more than the cost of truffles on their hobbies. For the cost of two fast food meals, you can get a small jar of truffles. For the cost of one, you can get a small jar of caviar. I don't go out to eat and I don't eat much, but when I am celebrating a special occasion or indulging, I do with small portions of exceptional food rather than large helpings of goyslop
>>534941488>the present familyHe is talking about the family structure that has existed since the introduction of agriculture (moving beyond primitive socialist tribal arrangements). The idea being criticized is inheritance of wealth, or, to put in more plain terms, a man's ability to pass on the fruits of his labor to his kids.
Ah finally, a picture of some water(untouched and scorned) at Saint Xi's table, and this actually isn't that luxury, just a bit of fondue, which I admit is not actually fancy as the Hollywood meme would suggest
>>534941719Which very few proles did then or ever will. Because both of the wealth they produce accumulates in the hands of families like thr Trumps
>>534941821>fondueHoly shit!!!!!
>>534941857>the wealth they produce accumulates in the hands of families like thr TrumpsXi Jinping's net worth is estimated to be around $1.5 billionTruly a representation of pulling himself up by his bootstraps
>>534941857>average people don't have inheritance Talking about yourself here? Sorry your mom fucked a deadbeat and had you.
>>534942063>Xi Jinping's net worth is estimated to be around $1.5 billionBased on what lol
>>534942216No, I am talking about average people. I did have inheritance you cockthirtsy maga cuck. Most working class barely even have a savings
>>534937680Then the communist will tell you he's not a leftist.
>>534942336Average people have inherentance leftcel. The only ones who don't are the kids of retarded mothers who choose terrible fathers.>maga cuck>thinking I'm a Trumpfag because I offer a basic criticism of your shit religion
>>534942505Average Americans don't even have savings, you halfwitNo, I think you're a Trumpfag because you loved your dad face raping you every night and you fantasize about Trump sodomizing your wife and mother
>>534941719The idea being criticized is one that's never mentioned? You're just confabulating a way for the passage to be about a pretext for stealing your money, instead of what it says it's about. You are a caricature of who communism criticizes; money is all you care about, so you assume it must be all that anyone else cares about either, and that anything anyone states that seems unconcerned with money must be a trick.Fantastic post, since you just walked in and illustrated the exact mindset the OP is talking about;>>534937062
>>534937062>The bourgeoisieare communists in the government
>>534942614>average Americans don't have savingsBecause they have debt nigger. What happens when the debt is paid? They gain ownership of the asset. Again, you are retarded. The fact that lots of people live beyond their means doesn't change this. Boomers are rich because they have assets they've accumulated overtime. Non kiked out boomers will give these to their kids, as yours did to you. Are you bourgeois?>deranged Trump fanficLeftcels are mentally cooked.>>534942766>You're just confabulating a way for the passage to be about a pretext for stealing your money, instead of what it says it's about.Except that is what its about. Private wealth accumulation is something that hard left societies seek to ban, as they always have tried to do. You leftoids are just salty about it because it, like a lot of your other ideas, is a retarded one.>you only care about moneyThe state of leftoids.While you're here defending your comrade, would you like to amswer my other posts asking about luxury goods and Chaikas being restricted for Party officials, or are you going to bitch out like your fellow leftcel?
>>534937062Daiky reminder that the means of production is people. When they say "sieze the means of production" they are talking about slavery.
>>534943334Because they're living paycheck-to-paycheck, you stupid fuck. >non-kiked boomersExcept for my parents I don't know a single example of this. Every boomer I have ever talked to sold their home or the one they inherited and often with the logic of them having multiple kids so they can't really fairly pass it on
>>534943409No, they're talking about industry. The means of production are tools
>>534943561Tools aren't the means of production, they multiply human production output. Tools can't do shit by themselves.
>>534943636Yes of course, as per Das Kapital, hence the labor theory of value. But the means of production in Das Kapital are the tools that staggeringly magnify the wealth production by labor
>>534943749Thay's cool and all, but anything multiplied by 0 is 0, people will be forced to work jobs that are considered undesirable because they are necessary to keep a country functioning. Which is bad news for all the useful idots thinking they will be artists and shit.
>>534943919The big the problem today is unemployment. People already take jobs they don't want. But communism offers free education if they want to qualify for another
>>534943523>Because they're living paycheck-to-paycheck, you stupid fuck.Because of choices they've made. Millions live paycheck to paycheck, but millions don't. I make a modest $60k, but I have $150k in savings due to the choices in lifestyle (not being a rentcuck and living with parents) at 32. >>534943523>Every boomer I have ever talked to sold their home or the one they inherited and often with the logic of them having multiple kids so they can't really fairly pass it onWhere do you live? This idea is completely foregin to me. Do you people not believe in multigenerational housing?
>>534937062What is a bourgeoisie?
>>534937062communists are the worst kind of retard: the ones who believe that they are actually smart
>>534944135That's a salaried paycheck, not a wage paycheck, and many people do not have the option to live with their parents
>>534944155Society in the Renaissance was divided into three classes: the peasants and laborers, the petty bourgeoisie (small business owners), the grand bourgeoisie (major merchants and manufacturers, very wealthy), and the nobility. Once the nobility were toppled by the bourgeoisie, they became the ruling class
>>534937062Honestly that's an incredibly based take on disgusting, degrading wagie humiliation and crass slave mentality culture of capitalism. But I would take it as a call for a return to old feudal ways and comfy medieval village life rather than a Soviet tier state which is just another form of the very things this critiques with bosses and a culture wasteland.
>>534937062Socialism doesn't exist, it's a myth. As soon as you implement it, it becomes class-based. Do you think Hasan will be on the same level as a janitor? He will get deluxe housing and more money. Leaders? How can you have leaders if it's real socialism? Why are there proletariates? Communism is just capitalism without rights or freedom of expression, go look at China. It's all fake.
>>534944070Will it? All the time? If I don't like 30 jobs in a row you're telling me that the state should be willing to fund me indefinitely in the hopes that I find one I can stick with? At what point to they jump in and tell me to buckle down, which they will have to if they don't want people abusing the system. What if nobody wants to be a plumber, do we all swim in shit, or should the government step in and force some people to do the job that others won't for the "greater good"? An idealist would say this should be done through incentives instead of force, but historically that's never really been the case.
>>534944370You a fan of sharecropping?>>534944484I never said you have to love your job or that is guaranteed. I only said people already take jobs they don't like under capitalism and it doesn't offer them free education to qualify for another job (if they can)
>>534943919but this already happensdo you think we don't have janitors, or do you think that everyone who's currently a janitor believes it's their life's calling?
>>534944608So like I was saying it's slave labor. I get that capitalism isn't the best shit ever, but while socialists absolutely have valid critiques, their solutions are retarded
>>534943919I always wonders how they found janitors and holodeck jizz moppers in the Star Trek universe
>>534944708The fact that we have janitors who are willing to work for free shows how unnecessary crapitalism is
>>534944484>An idealist would say this should be done through incentives instead of forceAh yes, the inevitable eviction notice and red lettered "bills" that become dueIt's great incentive actually, either lock down at a job, or find a cardboard box to live out of(unless you are immigrant, in which case the state will pay your way to business ownership and subsidize employers for hiring you)
>>534937062social democrats are closer to fascism than national socialiststhe worst part of communism is the abolishment of private propertynational socialism will retain private property - eg: credits for buying homes that were erased by having kidsNational Socialism > Capitalism > International Socialism
>>534944727How is it slave labor?
>>534943561The effect is the same. No economic avenues exist outside the state. You either perform the task the commissar assigns or starve. No alternative employer is permitted and you may not work the land for your own sustenance.
Merchant World is a nightmare.
>>534944252No, I'm hourly. I was just giving an average post tax income.>and many people do not have the option to live with their parentsOnly if you live in a rural area with lack of opportunity or poor family dynamics. Any major metro has plenty of jobs. The problem being described doesn't come from capitalism, but poor choices or localized lack of opportunity, which can be fixed with some state intervention (I'm not some lolberg). Poor family dynamics is something that can only be fixed by controlling women's sexual behavior, something leftists will never do.Many people choose high income or jobs that are closer to their interests than jobs that pay decent enough and allow you to take advantage of intergenerational housing, which is the single best way to build wealth.
>>534944708State never told them to be a janny, the last thing you want to do is give populations something direct to blame, it's why military recruiters in Ukraine are getting killed now despite them always having a military
>>534944807Homes as property are not abolished bt comminism>The distinguishing feature of communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property [capital].-The Communist Manifesto
>>534937062when you put it like that capitalism sounds pretty basedretard take tho, look up oligarchy lol
>>534944829What retardation is this. Do you even understand how soviets work or what they even are?
>>534944827>how is the government forcing you to do shit you don't want to do slave labor
>>534944947The national median wage in 2026 is $20.30 an hour before taxes
>>534945157What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>534945060That retardation is communism. If the government owns all the means of production then your employer is always the government.
>>534945203You have to be a spic or something this can't be real lmfao
... here's Devil Town, from Daniel Johnston's "1990" tapehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFivJr41y4s
>>534945173>nationalIrrelevant. You need to look at local wages and local PPP. If there is a job in SF that pays $150k, but there's a job that pays $50k in Nowhere, OH, who is better off? The answer is whoever can take advantage of intergenerational housing in both cases. This also completely ignores other factors like immigration that drives down labor costs.
>>534945227Soviets are the government
>>534945731Intergenerational housing only works with one child over and over, i.e. population decline
>>534946137No. I live with my two brothers. Our house is large though, because my father planned for this. I get what you are saying, but large families living on the same plot of land has been normal for thousands of years (invention of argriculture). Smaller families are a consequence of industrialization as it is, so housing need will go down naturally overtime as families get smaller and less people need housing. This is why housing is actually a poor investment, and only artificial forces pump the price.
>>534946137>population declinethe bourgeoisie doesn't want you to know this but natural, intergenerational population decline is a good thing
We havent tried REAL ____ ideology. Every ideological change has just been about power exchanging hands, they are just labeled differently.
>>534946922yeah, that's the basic idea - take the power out of the hands of the bourgeoisie and put it into the hands of the proletariatone major problem that marx doesn't seem to have foreseen is that, once communist states started to be founded, international capital made its primary goal the destruction of those states (see world war 2 -> cold war: first the destruction of german national socialism, then the destruction of russian soviet socialism)china's taoist philosophy of doing nothing may have been the winning strategy here. they just sat there and waited for international capital to GIVE them the means of production
>>534941371I hate how retards always cite the Communist Manifesto as something significant when it was made as a short-hand pamphlet for random British shmucks to understand their Party program in the 1800'sExtrapolating meaning from it into today's world is like trying to use a modern gun by reading a manual on how to use a musket
>>534948378It was written in German at the request of the communist society
>>534941719>>534941371Yes, he wants to destroy the western concept of "nuclear family" and replace it with a Slavic concept of "extended family", as the latter leads to much less degeneration.For example in nuclear families, the brothers and sisters eventually form their own families and so the brother and sister, as well as the father ceases being part of the family at that point. So what happens when the father dies?The brothers and sisters lawyer up, hound each other and putting maximum effort into grabbing everything that isn't bolted on the ground.
>>534948639What your are describing is not unique to slavs, nor is it something that capitalism does by default. Its what happens when retarded boomers listening to evil kikes take over.The solution is to just kill kikes.
>>534938723basically what marx is on about is that once the institutions and conventions are established, the need for a state diminishes, eventually disappearing. take ancient ireland, they were essentially a stateless society, a patchwork of chiefdoms and kings who all followed certain laws, out of convention. their conflicts were mediated by the druid class, who were essentially a supernational justice system, as well as bureaucrats, teachers, judges, and religious officials.another example of a stateless solution was native americans stringing the skulls of the animals they killed on certain trees designated for this purpose. the reason was, that the rawhife used to tie it on the tree eventually rots and falls off. the message being don't hunt too many more of these until the string rots, so their numbers can replenish. nobody made them do this, and different tribes would use the same tree. this avoided costly conflict over hunting rights, as well as solving problems of scarcity and extinction. so it's about using a dictatorship in order to instill certain cultural values and practices so that it becomes self enforcing.
>>534948831Jews are about 1000 years old, since for example the Jews from the bible are ethnically distinct from modern Jews.Yet this extended-family exclusion was happening as soon as the traditional tribe systems collapsed and were replaced by "every man on his own" nuclear families. Before the Jews even existed.
>>534937062Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same rotten coin. This isn't news here bub
>>534940261no he actually had a pretty good argument. you are just being immature
>>534948831>nor is it something that capitalism does by defaultYeah it is. Capitalism always needs to expand so, like Marx says, it must concert every qualitative value into a quantative one, it must seek to commodify everything by its own logic of exploiting something as a market wherever possible or losing out to those who do
>>534949096>so it's about using a dictatorship in order to instill certain cultural values and practices so that it becomes self enforcing.always one more murder away from utopia
>>534949112>jews are about 1000 years oldTraditional nuclear families, which were an outgrowth of old agricultural based family clan structures, have existed since before Rome. There is no rule under capitalism that states that you must not have extended families or clans. This was idea introduced by jews to weaken their enemies.>>534949278Again, extended families exist in capitalist societies. I'm not sure where this idea that clans cannot exist under capitalism, or private property market systems in general, comes from. Under capitalism, all that matters is wealth generation and accumulation. Extended families do this better than atomized ones, as I am living proof of.
>>534942766How the hell is someone who believes in a meterialistic ideology, that quite literally only cares about money, criticising others for caring about money?
>>534949816>Traditional nuclear families, which were an outgrowth of old agricultural based family clan structures, have existed since before Rome. There is no rule under capitalism that states that you must not have extended families or clans. This was idea introduced by jews to weaken their enemies.That is correct, but in capitalism that Marx lived in, extended family was completely destroyed, so he assumed it was a natural consequence. But in theory you can always have an ideology where you mix and match everything together.
>>534950000He doesn't personally care about money, but he thinks that the state's purpose is material (to improve material conditions of it's people) rather than spiritual
>>534950046>But in theory you can always have an ideology where you mix and match everything together.Absolutely. I consider myself a pragmatist above all else. Marx was not entirely wrong, but not entirely right either.
>>534937786>adhom>strawmanNot arguments
>>534949096>ancient ireland was stateless>it was a patchwork society of cheifs and kings.Those cheifdoms and kingdoms are known as states.
>>534950000It's an ideology quite literally only about ending the rule of money
>>534949278>it must concert every qualitative value into a quantative one, it must seek to commodify everythingImagine thinking it's bad capitalism turns ideas to useful things for society, and thinking commodities are "bad."
>>534937062Mental health awareness month is in June champ, you're earlyAre these.. "bourgeoisie" in the room with us?
>>534952865Commodifting friendship turns it into "networking".
>>534952756It is materialist because it believes that the purpose of the state is material instead of spiritual.
>>534953005The bourgeoisie are simply the capitalist class
Reading Capital was a mind blowing experience for me. It’s not really a left/right book, it’s a devastating analysis of the liberal economic system. I had heard this and that about it, and it was nonsense. If you’re into politics Capital is a must read.
>>534953072Is the purpose of a hammer material, or spiritual? I am asking you in earnest what you believe about this
>>534953046And? Why the fuck would you be against networking? Are you stupid?
>>534953105I find something new in it every single time I read it. The amount of research and thought that went in to it, is unmatched
>>534953120Do you want all friendship to just be networking? Because that is what happens when you commodify all friendship
>>534953105>it’s a devastating analysis of the liberal economic system. Then, why is everything in it wrong?
>>534953246Sure, why would I want to be friends with useless people? Name the benefit.
>>534953250Because you haven't read it
>>534953293Being useless for financial gain doesn't make such friendship worthless. What would even be the point of having children?
>>534953295You could easily prove it by citing claim it makes that was true, but you can't.
>>534953246it doesn't even have to go that far - introducing the commodified networking element at all subverts all friendship by introducing the need to mistrust potential friends and look out for people who are just using you to sell something/advance their career
>>534953358What is value?
>>534953358>prove that your book isn't a lie>no, i don't know what's in itthis is peak disingenuous argumentation
>>534953354>What would even be the point of having children?People don't have children for monetary reasons? Are you stupid? Do you not know how inheritance works, alimony, or even political dynasties are formed?
>>534953438Why can't you just cite a single claim Capital makes if, if it was true, if you read it.Just one.
>>534937680you could just read the manifesto yourself. it's pretty short. then you wouldn't keep embarrassing yourself when you try to talk about it online
>>534953445Money doesn't mean anything. It's a tool. How should everything be subordinated to it? Money should serve man, not man money.
>>534953110For vast majority of people, it is material. But there is nothing stopping you to have a spiritual connection to the hammer if you want to (lol)
>>534953747i haven't read it, thoughi'm a different anon, just pointing out how dishonest you're being
>>534953747Capital provides the only coherent theory of value
>>534953778Money doesn't mean anything? You have to be retarded. Without money, how do you pay your bills? How do you buy stuff to survive? You're dumbass.
>>534953811Yeah sure. But only an idiot would say, "No, no, you can't use the hammer, you have to use the saw. What? That doesn't work? You miss the point, tools are not for material purpose, they're spiritual."
>>534953813>I haven't read it>But you're being honestLMAO, I'm dishonest about something you can't even prove because you're retarded
>>534953882What does money signify or represent?
>>534952756No, it's an ideology that wants to make money the center of everything.
Shill attacks on Capital take three forms.1) Misunderstanding the LVT and thinking it’s a theory of how prices arise rather than an account of what value is. Anyone who can read will see through this if they read the book, the goal is for you not to read it.2) Mindlessly asserting the liberal ideology of ‘free’ labor, hard work, individualism, even though Capital is dedicated to showing that this is a mirage.3) Talking about failed socialist states even though Capital has nothing to do with this. It’s a critique of liberal capitalism, not a recipe for a new system.All can be seen itt.
>>534937062you know, if you started to quote the jew parts and his obvious hate for himself and his people, people here might actually start to agree with parts of it
>>534953077>muh capital classLmao schitzo faggot
>>534953816With what empirical evidence?
>>534953965You're a Dr. Prager Awoo dumbfuck who doesn't read. Marx calls money a false god
>>534953105I don't read toilet paper, nothing that homeless bum ever wrote had any meaning at all.
>>534953917The difference is that states were used as a spiritual tool or at least presented to the masses as the enforcers of spirituality in the past.As far as I know, nobody has ever worshipped hammers.It is just a distinction so you can better realize the mindset of some anti-communists. Although this type of mindset was very rare when communism actually took place, I think only Franco and maybe some obscure white army thinkers subscribed to this mindset.For example while Mussolini viewed controlled, secular religion as a good thing, he never understood the state's ultimate goal as being spiritual.
>>534953816The labor theory of value is not a coherent theory of value.
>>534937062Anons do realize that in practice communism always needs slaves... right? Don't be stupid.
>>534954050Indeed, and then attempts to enshrine it as the ultimate arbiter of fairness. Marx is an idiot, who knew.
>>534954050>55 postsWhy don't you get a job bro, maybe then you won't believe in fairy tales like Communism.
>>534954036There is a lot of data in Capital. Obviously a theory itself is not a proof, it is an explanation of phenomena. The phenomenon in question is value. Marx's theory is the only one that explains it. In fact the only one at all since economists basically abandoned any theory of what exactly value is after Marx, and placed it as the man behind the curtain
>>534954176>gibs me money>SO BRILLIANT!Leftists are fucking retarded
>>534954093Okay, so you are arguing that a state's duty and purpose is to enforce religion, yes?
>>534954104You don't read>>534954173This is my day off
>>534954176>There's a lot of data>I can't cite anything Capital>Theory itself is not proofSo, you're just full shit and proving Capital does not say anything of value. Thank you for admitting talking to you is a waste of time.
>>534954278So you like sucking dick and hate thinking. Thank you, but please keep it to yourself.
>>534954274I do. That's why I know marx is an idiot.
>>534954274Everyday is a day off for you, unemployed moocher.Rope yourself and unburden society.
>>534954278He's a communist, ofc he has nothing to say or anything to back his claims up with.They never do, its just muh welfare with these niggers.
>>534954241No, I am arguing that this is what state's duty used to be in the past (at least on paper)From the perspective of a Christian reactionary, it is better to have an oligarchic state where few get rich (and go to hell) while the majority is so disgusted with them that they deliberately choose to live humble and simple lives (thereby being saved from various sins that come with that).On the other hand, a state with purpose to improve material conditions will lead to the masses accepting hedonism and various material pleasures, which will cause the masses to go to hell and their souls won't be saved.Again, from a perspective of a Christian reactionary like Franco or Denikin for example.
>>534954375Wikipedia and xitter don't count>>534954421Shut the fuck up, you Awoo furry
>>534954545The Orthodox Church ordered Russians to go into WWI to die and kill innocent people by the millions because markets needed it
>>534954691I see you have advanced entirely to insult, because you don't have the ability for argument. This is expected, after all, you beleive in marx.
>>534937062there's two option for you paedo commie transfaggotOne, instead posting stupid jewish idiotic shit, go to work and earn money for your food and shithole place you're living in.Second option, go to HomeDepot and get the rope.Second option is the best, there's no need for paedo transfaggots to destroy rest of the country and society.
>>534938158>>534938380>>534938723>>534939485>>534940301Karl Marx viewed communism as a stateless, classless, and moneyless society that would emerge after capitalism's collapse, replacing private property with common ownership. While the specific phrase "withering away" was popularized by Friedrich Engels, Marx explicitly outlined the conditions under which the state would cease to exist in his own major works.>Critique of the Gotha Programme (1875)Marx directly challenges the idea of a "free people’s state". He argues that during the "revolutionary transformation" into communism, there is a transitional phase (the "revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat"), but that once class distinctions vanish, the state as a political entity is no longer necessary.>The Civil War in France (1871)Marx argues here that the working class cannot simply seize the existing "ready-made state machinery" and use it for its own purposes. Instead, the state must be "smashed" because its very structure is designed for class oppression>The Poverty of Philosophy (1847)Marx explains that the working class will substitute an "association which will exclude classes and their antagonism" for the old civil society. He explicitly states that there will then be "no more political power properly so-called," since political power is the official expression of class antagonism within civil society.>The Communist Manifesto (1848)Co-authored with Engels, this foundational text states that when the proletariat has "swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms," it will have "swept away its own supremacy as a class". The public power will then "lose its political character," meaning the state as a tool of force disappears.
>>534954775It's just a statement of fact. If I wanted to insult you, it would not sound like that. You don't even know what chapter one of Capital says
>>534954764No, not exactly. The Orthodox church had very little to do with WWI, it was actually popular demand by pan-slavic nationalists, because various Germanic states have already been squatting on Slavic land for centuries and erasing the culture there, but then they wanted to take Serbia too, which was a step too far.Neither the church nor markets had anything to do with it. It was a race war between Slavs and Germans, just like WWII, but more toned down
>>534954866AI slop
>>534954176I must admit comrade, for me part of Marx’s strength is his emphasis on theory. He doesn’t bumble around in statistics, he thinks through the logic of liberalism and this purely theoretical work guides how he looks at empirical facts. Without grounding in theory he’d be like any other modern ((economist)) talking about the cost of popsicles or what have you. In general, continental philosophy understands that ‘look at the data!’ is a fraud and a meme. You have to use your brain first in order to look at the data and if you’re retarded you will only find confirmation of your retardation in the data.
>>534954973It was a fucking retarded war that pitted working class against each other to die by the millions with zero gain while capitalists on both sides got rich
>>534954691Furries are leftists like you, faggot.Because your side is entirely made up of faggots and mental patients.Communism is retarded and appeals only to the most useless of society.
>>534955083Hahahaha now he's hallucinating a class war! Take your pills, fucking retard.
>>534955032Marx went through mountains of data and often infodumps it, read volumes two and three and ffs don't call me comrade
>>534955017So you don't read, got it. Just a LARPer who abandons his principals to insult strangers on the internet and deny communism itselfYou're no comrade. Communism, and therefore the truth of the world, are meaningless to you. You wouldn't argue in bad faith or deny the truth if you were truly for the cause, because you would know that doing so only damages the cause.
>>534955017Its still more coherent than anything Marx the bum wrote. Dude didn't even have a job and he ditched about Capitalism; I see why he appeals to you.
>>534954880I've read the book, which is why I know its codswallop. But here, why don't you go ahead and explain why you believe in it?
>>534955094>Hewwo :3 have you AWOO'd for daddy Twump today?
>>534955235I'm not reading AI slop, no
>>534937062kill all commys
>>534955242I'm so happy Trump won again, the salt has been ever so delicious.
>>534955083Wars like that predate capitalism. You think there weren't constant squabbles for power in tribal societies?What capitalism actually invented is "interventions" and "soft power". Of course, the burgeoisie caused many wars, for example in Vietnam, but the true capitalist power is in using sanctions and coercions to blackmail a country into doing the bidding of the burgeoisie. First the imperial core does it, then the rest of the world follows with sanctions solely because they fear of being sanctioned themselves.The other brilliant invention is the "interventions" where capitalist states pretend not to be in a war, but they are financing rebels and much more importantly, giving them weapons, training and intelligence.
>>534955277"sorry I don't read citations to specific works"Yeah, you don't read
>>534955241Because I've read Adam Smith, who also infodumps data, and I consider Marx to fix the holes in his theory. The consistent correlation between value and socially average labor required for a commodity can't be ignored. As soon as an item takes more socially average labor, its value immediately fluctuates. The market appraises based on this. The market can drastically overestimate socially average labor requires though, and that leads to bubbles
>>534955302
Ever notice that the most diehard commies these days are the most pathetic do nothing neets imaginable?Not even the guys who willingly neet to burden the system, but parasites so pathetic that they cannot envision themselves capable of anything productive so they preach communism in the hopes that someone else will come along and play daddy for them by removing all expectation of responsibility from their hands.Going by the track record of communism these people will be thanked for their dedication by being executed on the side of the road.
>>534955339I'm sure you find his semen nice and salty
>>534955277Weird communists would be against AI considering it could solve the economic calculation problemBut you're dumb and a luddite like all commies and hate technology progress
>>534955179I didn’t say he didn’t look at data you mouthbreather, I said his theory of commodities and capital informed his interpretation of this data. If you want an ostensibly ‘neutral’ and empirical interpretation of our economy just watch CNN.
>>534955463I'm not a leftist, so I don't drink semen.Glad I could cheer that up for you.Are you angry your communist friends lost their redistricting shenangians?
Commies be like>I hate the working day being so long and I hate bullshit jobsSo lets using AI to automate them and reduce the amount of work have to do>NO NOT LIKE THAT
>>534955618Most of them are artists, and they're mad their zero effort job can be done by 1s and 0s now.
>>534955477I don't see how LLMs could solve the economic calculation problem. They could be used to optimize anti-corruption activities by sifting through millions of transactions of State-Owned-Enterprises and flagging suspicious transactions, then those suspicious transactions could be fed to agentic LLM with access to various public databases to connect specific names to the transaction, their connections and why it is suspicious.
>>534955431But marx doesn't say socially value labor adds to the value of an object. He says it is the value of an object. That it is, in truth, the sole determiner of value. This is obvious nonsense. Increasing the average time for production does not increase the value of an object, yet, this is what marx claims. He also rejects the intrinsic value of objects. This is obvious nonsense.
>>534955477Lmao remember how Russia removed all calculators and switched everyone to abacuses to save money?
>>534955477AI might be useful one day in that respect but right now it is mainly a toy for boomers and a producer of slop. I have seen it hallucinate too many times
>>534955532Yes you do, faggot
>>534955705If gold takes more socially average labor to mine than before, the value goes up. Absolutely.
>>534955873>communist trying to claim 90% of his cohorts aren't massive faggotsLmao, lol
>>534955963The largest communist party in the world is the CCP
>>534955963>>534955873homosexuality is just a cultural, perhaps ethnic thing. In Russia, everyone hates homosexuals, and in the west everyone loves homosexuals.There are exceptions like India and Australia which also love gays.
>>534956060>muh CCPLmao oh no, so scary a bunch of Chinks good thing they only have 5% accuracy since they can't open their eyesGo be a good communist now, we need some fertilizer
>>534955693AI is being used to some what address it with dynamic pricing that sets prices based on real-time shifts in demand, creating more efficient allocation of goods>>534955738They fucking banned cybernetics lmao and Mendelian genetics
>>534956094It came out of the New Left >In the United States, the CIA, through the Congress for Cultural Freedom, funded various intellectuals, cultural organizations and magazines affiliated with the New Left that championed anti-communist ideas and Western values.[7][8][9][10]>It consisted of activists in the Western world who, in reaction to the era's liberal establishment, campaigned for freer lifestyles on a broad range of social issues such as feminism, gay rights, drug policy reforms, and gender relations.[1] The New Left differs from the traditional left in that it tended to acknowledge the struggle for various forms of social justice, whereas previous movements prioritized explicitly economic goals.>Some who self-identified as "New Left"[5] rejected involvement with the labor movement and Marxism's historical theory of class struggle;[6]
>>534956248>schitzo is making shit up againTake your meds, did they also steal your newspaper and why you can't get a job?
>>534956293Only a glowstick seethes about glow being exposed
>>534937062>>534937786>>534938380>>534954764>>534938523>>534938182>>534939485>>534955179You will never be a Woman.
>>534953046Friendship was always about networking. Why do you think unrelelated male chimps work together? To help achieve goals.
>>534955949Yes, but dundee mc.chucklefuck, or even enough dundy mc.chucklefucks to raise the average worker production time being absolutely terrible miners does not. So you've got a situation where the socially average labor time is disconnected from value. You admit that this is the case in your previous response about bubbles. Value is not soley determined by the socially necessary labor time, as marx claims. Therefore, he is incorrect. He does not claim that socially necessary labor time affects value, he claims it is value. Any attempt to deflect away from this claim leads to the situation where you're claiming marx is a great thinker because labor is a cost.We've still not touched upon the intrinsic value of objects, which marx also rejects.His theory of value is incoherent.
>>534956337>spams a bunch of schitzo babble full of communist wording>anyone calling it such is a ""glowstick"">glowstickAre you not allowed to say Nigger because you'll get banned from your discord you communist faggot?
>>534956375Terrible miners obviously are not "average", they are terrible. At Marx says in chapter one, someone being bad at something does not increase its value, because value is the average labor society takes. Likewise if someone excels average, it doesn't lower the value.
>>534953991>this nigga doesn't know about time preferenceLVT is incomplete.
>>534956603And again, if there are enough terrible miners to increase the average time it takes to produce gold, but the number of skilled miners has not changed, the price of gold will not change. So, again, socially necessary labor time is not the sole determiner of value, as marx claims.
daily reminder that LTV was invented by Adam Smith, not by Marx (who stole it, heh)
>>534956774>did you just use a + to specify summation? don't you know that someone else already invented that, thief
>>534956841Marx himself admitted to taking LTV from Smith, which you would know if you have read Das Kapital
The only injustice in America is that somehow this is allowed, freedom of speech is for citizens. Not traitors.If I was Trump I'd track every commie ITT and kill their entire families on the White House lawn.
>>5349539911.If LTV can't predict prices, then it's uselessFirms can't use it to efficiently allocate resources based on demand. It has no real world application.Nobody cares about point 2 when communism doesn't work while liberal societies have a track record of working and communism doesn't
>>534956337Lmao what's the matter Tranny? Can't say Glownigger?Sacrifices will have to be made if you're going to try and blend in. Think you've got what it takes to say the nigger word when Dayquandus is counting on you to start the revolution and free him from all those rape charges?
>>534956893I am mocking your "stealing" comment
>>534937062
>>534937062Another rmarxist thread, please seize the means to better ideologies
>>534956743Terrible is a relative term, it is not really possible for a large portion of employed miners to be terrible in any meaningful sense. Terrible suggests more than a standard deviation below average. But let us say "good" is x and "shit" is z, just for the sake of argument. And 2/3 miners are z. Then yes the value of gold will increase, all else being equal
>>534956467racial bias is antithetical to communism but strongly encouraged by people seeking to divide the working class
>>534957160It will not if we are freezing outputs. The same amount of gold is making it to market, more even, however there's now a large contingent of doofuses, enough to raise the average manhour cost of gold, now mining gold. Prices would not increase in this scenario. Again, like in bubbles, we've got a situation where socially average labor is disconnected from value. Marx's theory of value cannot be accurately used to describe value. It is incoherent. We've still not touched on intrinsic value of objects which marx rejects.
>>534957241Class is a spook, and not a valid organizing principal. Race is real and is. The elite use class politics to divide and distract from racial politics which would actually help them.
>>534957416Class has always existed and always related to the means of production. It is shill bullshit to say wage slaves and capitalists are not distinct classes
>>534957241Shut up tard boi theres differences between races whether you or your girlboss ideals like it or not
>>534937062>The solution to jews taking over capitalism and poisoning your country is this other jew system that killed 60 million white Christians
>>5349575146 trillion, you mean
>>534957489Class as used in class politics by marxists is not real. You cannot better your life and the life of your community by class politics. These things are bettered by race politics. This is why communists agitate so strongly against race politics, because communism is an elite ideology, not an ideology for workers.
>>534953758Short, simple, easy to apply, and yet has failed spectacularly whenever it's been tried. Maybe the embarrassing thing is discussing it all at this point.
>>534957241Marx didn't believe in racial equality, or even ethnic equality. He thought slavic people were too foreign from Germans to ever adopt his system. If Marx saw the racial composition of America he would vomit.
>>534957549Shut up mutt
>>534957576>You cannot better your life and the life of your community by class politicsit worked for 800 million chinese
>>534957576Labor alienation can't be fixed by ignoring the cause
>>534957576Race politics shouldn't even exist and normally don't, since homogeneous countries have zero reason to talk about race and multicultural countries collapse sooner or later
>>534957241Tranny can't bring himself to say nigger, kek
I've heard that, in America, comparing 1980s-1990s with now:- CEO pay went up 1000%- worker pay went up 27%Why do CEOs have to be paid so much? We have proof (history), that they could lead their companies and not be paid beaucoup bucks.Second question: why are Americans so poor now? Is it due to globalization and international free trade making American workers on the same level as Chinese and turd-world workers? In that case Americans loose wealth and become poor.
>>534956094Homosexuality is a disgusting bourgeoisie vice and it has no place in socialist society. It's nothing more than bourgeoisie perversion in which two deviants put their own hedonistic pleasure above the good of society.
>>534957622that's true, the recent effort to turn humanity into a homogeneous race of global consumers is bourgeois to the core
>>534957763All empires and states of significant size have always been multicultural. The alternative model didn't arise until the concept of melting pot
>>534957489Race/tribal affiliations are far, far older than human beings. They are observed in other animals.
>>534957864Socialism always comes with the host nation's characteristics. If a country is 30% gay, then socialism won't stop it from being gay.
>>534957763Race politics used to be known as statesmanship.>>534957751The cause of labor alienation is exploitation by racial aliens.>>534957739The chinese are still enslaved, and like in soviet russia their rise in life was industrialization backed by communist sympathizers in the west. Not due to class politics.
>>534957739The homogeneous monoculture, you retarded tranny faggot?
>>534953758>hey bud just read about the system that failed spectacularly every time it was enacted>BUT THIS TIME ITLL WORKLol i dont need to read about things that are retarded to look at the consequences of them and be able to say its tard level antics. Look at islam, ive never read the quran and i mever will.but i can tell you with complete honesty that islam is a gay and bullshity religion
>>534957822Does global trade exist?
>>534957910Other animals can't even organize beyond the size of a pack and split apart when they get any larger
>>534957932You don't know what labor alienation is
>>534957783why would i want to insult a huge swath of the working class over something they can't change and many of them are proud of? i'd rather call you a class traitor
>>534957892This is incorrect. The multiculti model was known to the ancients and almost uniformly considered a curse from the heavens.
>>534957968Fun fact humans cant either, theyve just been tricked into being good goys. Its why modern life is such bullshit
>>534956946Value and price are not the same thing, Marx explains this at length in Volume 1.
>>534957877It's Judaism put into law as the political-religious mandate of the country. Leftypol is forever stuck with it's head up it's ass because it refuses to acknowledge race realism, while the billionaire class understands racial differences too well and has used them to great effect to divide the workers.
>>534957892All empires and states have collapsed once multiculturalism actually established itself. They had some luck that people in ancient times couldn't travel around a lot so empires never were a melting pot but more like a federation of ethnic states. With modern technology, transport and such, all multiethnic countries are experiencing a rapid decline. Even countries like Yugoslavia which had extremely similar ethnicities contained, it ultimately collapsed with a bloody ethnic conflict.Not only are multicultural and multiracial states impossible long-term, multietnnic countries of same race are also impossible to survive long term.
>>534957990I do. It is you who fail to understand the very thing you are pushing.
>>534957822The pay of CEOs is actually not that much of a problem, a CEO is a wage worker just like you. What is the real problem, is the shareholders who are "earning" a dividend, without working at all (i.e. extraction)
>>534958044Name a single empire in antiquity that didn't have multiple cultures
>>534957968>other animals organize themselves into packs based on breeding (i.e. race)>that's why its impossible for humans to organize on race.
>>534957968>what is Dunbar's numberAlso pack = tribe. Thanks for playing.
>>534958081All empires are always multicultural, so are any states of a large size. Switzerland is multicultural, they have three main national languages
>>534957964>Does global trade exist?Yes. What's you're point?
>>53495814Fucking someone doesn't mean they're your race, not that isn't the same as race
>>534958120Well romans were famously cultural chauvanists. But i'm willing to bet you're saying that knowing of another culture and trading with them counts as being multiculti. Our current day model where your mayor and city council are all from abroad and have no cultural connection to you is the curse. "The romans talked with the greeks" is not multiculti under our current model.
>>534958183Switzerland only survived as a parasite by keeping secrets of the world's most evil people from the public eye. It now stopped doing that and will slowly collapse.
>>534958186What did the wages in India and China do in that time period?
>>534958147Not in any meaningful sense. A human tribe includes several families and generations, a pack is almost always just one family, sometimes a two or three, and then it fractures
>>534958277Every culture in antiquity were cultural chauvanists.I am saying their subjects included countless cultures and languages.
>>534958292>>534958183Another thing is that empires that are truly multicultural always end up becoming highly individualistic and anti-communist, since the people don't have enough in common to advocate for collectivizing all means of production. Take USA for example. Americans always say "I don't want to have no publicly owned X because it will always go to the niggers!"And the trick is realizing that America was always like this, just replacing the nigger with "Irish" or "German" or "Italian" back when America was still vast-majority white.
>>534957924Country cannot be 30% gay because it will simply collapse sooner rather than later. For country to survive and prosper you need people to have children. It's both their patriotic duty and joy to do so. Homosexuals cannot have children, thus homosexuality is nothing more than bourgeoisie immorality.
>>534956467Goodness, I hate Discord.>>534958314>What did the wages in India and China do in that time period?Increase. I assume I was right.
>>534957935china's working class didn't rise from poverty to ther current level of relative wealth by embracing race politics - they did it by embracing class politics
>>534957993Lol which class? You've never raised a tool in your life. You spend your days face pressed to your phone trying to push a dead ideology in the hopes of permanent caretaking courtesy of the state on the backs of actual workers.Like all trannies youre a parasite. No wonder every movement abandons you mentally ill perverts
>>534958461>Country cannot be ...One soon will be.>For country to survive and prosper you need people to have childrenAh here comes the bisexuals to save the day I guess. half of those 30% LGBT are bisexuals.
>>534958446The ruling class historically has always been multicultural, the royalty marries all over the fucking map and often invade to save each other from local revolutions. It is the workers who are kept divided, and when the ruling classes of two states are in competition for markets, they send the workers to die and kill in their little game
>>534958403So, they weren't modern multiculti then. Modern multiculti has no subjects. It is a melange. There is no "this is the dominant culture and should be". It is an intentionally alienating mix of everything, used intentionally by the elite to subsume their underlings into a racial morass. Modern multiculti is race politics as a weapon of the elite. Class is the distraction they push. Rome is not multiculti.
>>534958337Tribes were always blood related to a common ancestor. Your point about packs is correct, but I am talking about pre-agriculture human tribes, which were also only a few families.
>>534958508Is your name online Slimedrinker by chance?
>>534958508They didn't rise on their own. They were supported by westerners to use as a racial political weapon against their enemies.
>>534958583And real monarchy collapsed for good as soon as guns became mass produced and numerous enough for the masses to rebel.Monarchy is the one political ideology that is actually even more irrelevant today than fascism, communism. Even libertarians got their milei in office. What wins did monarchists achieve in the last 50 years? Monarchy is probably the worst example for "benefits" of multiculturalism.
>>534958575That's a perfect example of a country in massive decline, not something healthy to cheer for. I'm not sure about the number either. Maybe if you count women among those bisexuals. Women perceive sexuality completely different than men.
>>534958466I know, I was just agreeing with you. Globalization and immigration. Pushed by kikes.
>>534958583>the ruling class has always been racial aliens to the underclass>this means class is the problem.
>>534958638I probably have a common ancestor with you if we go back far enough, probably with just about everyone I see and meet>>534958829The ruling class has always been defined by putting their class before anything else. And that is why they rule
>>534958784You make a good point. Gestures and habits that were in the past considered as completely platonic forms of love are now considered as signs of sexual attraction, and this is especially affecting women. Hell in the past, men used to kiss each other on the cheeks and it wasn't seen as gay, imagine what the women did between each other. Now a girl might think she is lesbian because she likes holding another girl's hand and hugs her girl friends a lot.
>>534958983You mean race. They put their race first. There was a race ruling europe, during the time of the monarchs. It is not class, and it has never been class. Class is the distraction they push because they know it is toothless. Zuckerberg has more in common with moishe the NY tailor than he does with donald trump.
>>534959048Plus, every young person wants to be cool and quirky, women probably even more than men. Saying you are bisexual among women is probably a safe option in which you don't have to actually do anything.
>>534959158>Zuckerberg has more in common with moishe the NY tailor than he does with donald trumpwhat an absurd opinion lol
>>534959298I think that all bisexual women did actual sexual things with other women at least once, but the reason they did it is probably because they were brainwashed that their platonic love to their girlfriends is an actual sexual attraction.So I think they try it, they don't neccessarily like it since most women are not lesbian, and then they move on to the next quirky thing like asexual, or they keep pretending to be bisexual, but now exclusively go after men.
>>534959379It's true. The absurdity is claiming a plumber in the uk is more like a slave in china.
>>534958724>Monarchy is the one political ideology that is actually even more irrelevant today than fascism, communismMonarchy is relevant today because it's- a non-materialistic alternative to fascism; "trickle down spirituality, not trickle down economics", as someone once said- not democracy, which has a short time preference; democracy is an engine for bad ideas- how humans lived for much of history; there's mostly no "progress" or change in humans besides technology
>>534959552Hoppean monarchy is just pinochetist libertarianism pretending to be something it is not. Real monarchies like the Tsardom of Peter the Great are not looking to make a comeback any time soon.
>>534959158Racially, the ruling class was the same as their subjects eventually. At first it was the Italians under Rome, then various petty Germanic groups, but the ruling classes gradually intermarried over time, the Germanic Charlemagne traced his lineage to a Roman senator. Two rival kings of different tribes would mix their families to solidify power or peace>Zuckerberg has more in common with moishe the NY tailor than he does with donald trumpTrump married his daughter in Jews just like tribal rulers did before, in order to cement ties. Biden did the same with his kids. You think Netanyahu cares about a taylor more than Trump? He would not blink an eye over sacrificing a hundred thousand to protect Trump
>>534959552Monarchies sent millions of workers to die in WWI
>>534959158Monarchs perceived themselves as a completely separate class, even among nobility. Their status as being anointed by God and destined to rule transcended ethnic or racial lines. Oftentimes, nobles would shit on their own countrymen but intermarry with outsiders, as long as those outsiders were aristocrats too. Polish and Russian nobility intermarried with Asiatic Tatars and swarthy Georgians, as long as they were nobles as well.
>>534959771Fresh bread>>534959831>>534959831>>534959831
>>534959660Do I think a jew cares more about jews than I do goyim? Yes. This is obvious. The jews have thousands of years of writing pointing out just how much they care more about jews than goyim. Do I believe trump is more politically valuable to netanyahu than moishe? Of course. Is that care? No.>ancients tracked races and used races as justification for rule, and would often genetically seperate themselves from their subjects>this means there are no racial politics in history.Are you intentionally this dim? You keep arguing my points for me as a refutation.
>>534959850Your view of monarchy started in the 1600's with the power struggle by the monarchy of France to centralize the government and take away the rights of the nobles. Prior to that, kings like Richard II were not seen as God's rep on earth except among the Byzantines
>>534959964Trump's son-in-law knew Netanyahu growing up
>>534960065And again, is that care? No. It isn't. It is political leverage.
>>534960216It's family ties. Same reason Trump cares about Bibi
