Korea is introducing laser weapons for the first time.Its name is "천광(Cheongwang)" which translates to "rays of light from the sky"The primary objective is to shoot down drones. Unless 100 drones are swarming at once, Cheongwang is capable of shooting down multiple drones.Its range is 3km, and it cannot be used in bad weather. (Laser energy disperses in rain, dense fog, or dust.)The price is $2 per shot.
>>534941733Meme weapon
>>534941733will get blown up by artillery and ballistic missiles in the first 24 hours of the war.
>>534941733If you have finished the Death Star then we can talk.
>>534941733Who cares? War is cringe and gay now.
>>534941733What would happen if you looked down it's barrel?
>>534941843We have the Cheonggung2
>>534941977thats still useless against ballistic missiles and artillery spam.Iran and Russia and also Ukraine has demonstrated that it is very easy to overhelm modern air defense systems.
MERGING PEOPLE INTO AI WASNT A GOOD IDEAWHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE IS STRONGER THAN THE AI LUL
>>534941929A big hole will appear in your head.
>>534941733So what exactly makes it a breakthrough as a weapon or an anti- drone defense?You can still find on jewtube 2009 videos of laser weaponry disintegrating an UAV in the air in seconds.
>>534941733*yawn* area 51 had those in the 90syeah not as secret as you think skunkworks, maybe don't take selfies of your secret projects next time if you have a problem with me saying that.
>>534942129Don't worry. We also have L-sam.
>>534942259also useless, will probably get blown up by some crappy geran drone
>>534941733israel had that tech for years thanks to Americans, its useless
>>534942233Yes, witnessing Russia struggle in the war in Ukraine and the U.S. suffer a humiliating defeat at the hands of Iran, Koreans rapidly developed anti-drone weapons and succeeded in developing them within three months.However, since this is essentially the first series, the specifications are not very good. The range is also very short. Therefore, we plan to produce Cheongwang 2 and Cheongwang 3 in the future.The specifications for Cheongwang 2 and 3 are roughly as follows:The specifications for Cheongwang 2 and 3 are roughly as follows:Cheongwang 2: 30kW class - Development is complete and currently under construction. Expected to be deployed soon.Cheongwang 3: 100kW class - We plan to develop 100kW technology and manufacture it soon.>>534942443We can block drones by installing Cheongwang next to L-sam and Cheongung 2.
>>534942485Israel's laser weapons have not yet been deployed in combat.
Total meme. You have to choose between your light getting absorbed by the atmosphere and your light getting not-absorbed (reflected) by the object you're lighting. There's no magic wavelength that cuts through floating particles but sticks to drones. Maybe you could get 1% (10% of 10%, 200W) at 3km, 2% at 1.5km, 4% at 700m 8% at 350m. On the front of a thing that's as air-cooled as it gets. Mite be good for blinding optics, I'd rather be in a ship that has it than one that doesn't tho. Even if there were better uses for that money.
>>534941733>The price is $2 per shot.1 million system that breaks down after 5 minutes of use. Reason: Dirty outlet glass
>>534941929what if you made 2 of them face each other and fired at the same time
>>534941733>$2 per shotThis ray is antisemitic
>>534942544In XXI century warfare, the defender has a huge advantage against the attacker. The solution against missile spam is building secret bases deep under the ground. The solution against drone strikes is mechanized autoguns driven by machine learning algorithms.The first is unavailable to the attacker, the second is harder to deploy.I’m sure the attacker will come up with something equally formidable, such as mechanized agile weaponized humanoid robots, but that technology is currently available only to China
>>534941733Based
>>534942544>>534942544good luck trying to eliminate all that heat in a mobile system. i hope based Kim nukes all your retard faggot asses
>>534943057In fact, I'm not setting my expectations too high for Cheongwang either. Personally, the microwave based technology recently developed in the US looks much more promising than these lasers. It spreads high power microwaves over a wide area to neutralize an entire swarm of drones at once. Since lasers have to track and hit targets individually, they will inevitably struggle against a saturated mass attack.But who knows? Cheongwang might actually turn out to be a better weapon than expected. I choose to trust our engineers
>>534942544>We can block dronesmaybe in peace times or when Kim Jong Un is trying to bully you but in a full blown war its unlikely to survive for long, these things cant do shit against a drone swarm, artillery and ballistic missile spam.also one laser probably costs 20 million dollars and the drone swarm is not even 1 million dollars.you guys are getting droned for sure.
>>534943321You go open the strait.Korea will run out of oil in 60 days. Then, aircraft will never be able to fly in the U.S. Then, the prices of manufactured products in the U.S. will skyrocket.
>>534943434>It spreads high powerwhere do you think this high power comes from?it requires a big powerplant and it also requires a big antenna. these things will also get blown up and cost more than what the drones cost to destroy it.
>>534941733CHING CHONG CHANG CHONG
>>534943612you chinkniggers have zero natural resources. you'll be begging based Kim for a bowl of rice before your little fantasy ever happens
>>534943232That is not a weapon designed to destroy missile or drone storage facilities in places like Iran. Its sole purpose is to intercept incoming threats. Drones cost anywhere from thousands to tens of thousands of dollars, but a single shot from Cheongwang costs only 2 dollars. It was developed specifically to counter cheap weapons with an even cheaper solution. As long as it shoots down incoming drones, Cheongwang has completely fulfilled its mission
>>534943867Indeed, it is very easy to defend yourself from such attacks, that’s not the reason Russia and America are struggling.The development should focus on the offensive. I am honestly shocked that China is not profiting by the unique window of tactical advantage their superior manufacturing power and their humanoid super-robots provide. Maybe it’s is already too late? In 10 years this advantage will be lost. Maybe they think they can win using diplomatic means, against all odds of history that have shown that only violence matters on international ruling
>>534943527No one claims a single laser unit will stop a full scale ballistic missile barrage. That is what L-SAM and Cheongung2s are for. Cheongwang is simply a countermeasure specifically designed to handle low-cost drone swarms within a multi-layered defense systemAlso, your math on cost is flawed. While the unit itself has an initial cost, the intercept cost is nearly zero.The bottom line is that the enemy is trying to harass us economically with cheap toys, and we are putting a stop to that
>>534944294>No one claims a single laser unitdoesnt matter, even if its supported by these other systems its easy to overhelm them and they can produce missiles and drones and cruise missiles faster than you can replace these multi million dollar systems.so Kim Jong Un can destroy your gook shithole in under 24 hours if he wants to.
>>534944181If the USA had already mechanized armies of nuclear powered humanoid robots, they would have already infiltrated Iran and brought back the enriched uranium.But USA doesn’t have neither the portable nuclear power plants (only Russia has such technology) nor the superhuman robots (only China has them) not the manufacturing capacity to bright such a concept at scale
>>534944181>>534944565While Chinese robots are said to be formidable, they have never been properly tested on the battlefield. On the other hand, drones and the lasers used to counter them are a reality currently unfolding on the battlefield. I trust our engineers more than China's unverified robotic weapons.
>>534943829North Koreans are the ones who beg for food though, they are basically starving.
>>534941929What if you use a mirror?
>Korean men use these lasers to evaporate their women
>>534944503If you are going to say the same thing again, I won't answer.
>>534941733Cool. Drones will be coated in reflective material. Now fucking what. Also, where does the thing het its energy? I doubt diesel generators can feasibly power such a laser.
>>534941733>coats the droids in mirrorsoops seems like your billion dollar weapon is useless
>>534944839Kim Jong Un will rape your feminist shithole. nothing you can do about it. deal with it.
>>534944873Great men thing alike, buzerantman
>>534944678When WW3 really starts, better find a place to hide.By that point, the only thing that will matter will be the sheer manufacturing power and the provision of natural resources to support them.No Jewish trick will change that. The technological advancement will experience a large expansion and I expect all current technologies to become obsolete or mass produced by the war end
>>534941733How can lasers be used without them getting extremely hot and consuming too much energy? I can't see this being viable in a battle, let alone a war.
>>534941733Wave weapons are more useful
>>534944873Cheongwang is operated on mobile platforms such as trucks or containers. In this setup, it either has a high performance diesel generator built into the system or is connected to a separate power generation vehicle. The electricity produced is sent to the laser oscillator to create powerful light energy. Also, the actual cost per unit for Cheongwang is only about 1.1 million dollars
>>534944938this
>>534941733>it cannot be used in bad weatherIt's also easily avoided by adding a reflective or dispersive coating on the drone.
>>534941733I wanna see it shoot a flock of birds out of the sky.
>>534941733Does it work against drones with shiny mirrored coatings? How long does it take to shoot down a black drone vs a white drone?
>>534941733can literally do the same shit with some sheet metal, rivets, microwaves and a ute. Fake & gay
>>534943867>Drones cost anywhere from thousands to tens of thousands of dollars, but a single shot from Cheongwang costs only 2 dollars.It's also reflected by a $4 coating, making it useless. And then your billion dollar laser goes BOOM.
>>534943232In the case of North Korea vs South Korea, North Korea has an advantage against South Korea so long as the objective of South Korea is ,"Seoul isn't completely obliterated". What is the counter to an obscene amount of artillery pointed at a large civilian population?
>>534944873>I doubt diesel generators can feasibly power such a laser.You use capacitors. Take 30 minutes to run the generator, and shoot that out in a single shot. Then wait 30 minutes for the capacitors to charge up again.
>>534945302No coating is 100% reflective. High powered lasers work by concentrating immense thermal energy on a single spot. Even if a coating reflects 99% of the light, the remaining 1% of absorbed energy is enough to instantly vaporize the coating. Once the coating is burned off, the structural hull melts in secondsAnd this system costs 1.1 million dollars, not a billion
>>534943232>I, the aggressor, indiscriminately bombard your territory with missiles>You, the defender, retreat into your underground bunker >I, the aggressor, use my mechanized amazon delivery dog/mechanized projects dog to drop a bottle of ammonia straight into an atmospheric vent>You, the defender, deploy your AI-powered drones, also trained on the same datasets as my mechanized DUMBS-disposal delivery devices, but fail to stop them because the AI dataset has a self-preservation protocol baked into it to ensure continuous & uninterrupted functionality and/or connectivity (for stockholders)shitty way to die, my friend
>>534945659>High powered lasers work by concentrating immense thermal energy on a single spot.Which is exactly why it doesn't have to be 100% reflective. If that laser loses about 20-30% of it's strength, it's useless. It'll put a nice little light on the drone, and then go BOOM and die.>the remaining 1% of absorbed energy is enough to instantly vaporize the coating.Holy shit you're retarded. No it's not. Not even close. Go back to school and learn basic physics.
>>534941733You guys should team up with Japan and jump on China,
>>534945714>drop a bottle of ammonia straight into an atmospheric ventThis sounds very retarded. Vents have lids & grills, so you'd need to get close. Whilst trying to get close, you're exposed, and you're getting blown up by the defenses for that vent.
>>534941733>lasers don't effect the ozone. -scientistsRetards lol
>>534945853A 30kW to 100kW laser focuses several kilograms of TNT worth of energy every second onto a spot the size of a coin. Even if 90% of that energy is reflected, the remaining 10% is still thousands of degrees of heat hitting a thin plastic or aluminum drone shell. It does not just put a light on it, it melts the optics and triggers the onboard explosives in a fraction of a secondAlso, mirror coatings only work for specific wavelengths at specific angles. As soon as the laser starts melting even a microscopic part of that coating, the reflectivity drops to zero and the rest of the energy dumps into the target instantly. Maybe you should be the one heading back to physics class
>>534943867>Drones cost anywhere from thousands to tens of thousands of dollarsBut how much does it cost to replace the laser when it gets blown the fuck up?
>>534946416It costs about 1.1 million dollars. That is literally it. Also, why do you assume it is just going to sit there and wait to get hit? These are mobile units mounted on trucks. They shoot, move, and hide. If you are worried about the cost of replacing one laser, wait until you hear about the cost of a single tank or a fighter jet that gets taken out by a 500 dollar FPV drone because they did not have laser protection.
>>534946551>They shoot, movethey cant even shoot on the move?then its useless.FPV drones eat this shit for breakfast.
>>534946341>A 30kW to 100kW laser focuses several kilograms of TNT worth of energy every second onto a spot the size of a coin.At a short distance, yes. Scattering & the inverse square law will tell you how this drops off over distance (hint: it drops off QUICK, because your theoretically amazing beam quality is actually quite shit in real life).>Even if 90% of that energy is reflected, the remaining 10% is still thousands of degrees of heat hitting a thin plastic or aluminum drone shell.No, it's not. It's not even "heat" hitting anything, that's not how a laser works. Your basic laser cutter uses 1.5kW at a distance of 0.8mm. That takes about half a second to cut through 3mm of aluminium. Try pointing that at a wall, and see if it puts a hole in it (hint: it doesn't).>mirror coatings only work for specific wavelengths at specific angles.Diffuse reflective coatings (e.g. Spectralon) scatter ALL wavelengths in ALL directions. Just another instance of you showing you don't know what you're talking about.>As soon as the laser starts melting even a microscopic part of that coating, the reflectivity drops to zero and the rest of the energy dumps into the target instantly.Which depends completely on you keeping that laser on that MICROSCOPIC part of the drone for several SECONDS (which you can't do whilst its moving).Please just stop talking. With every sentence you just show more of your ignorance.The producers openly tell you that this system gets fucked by humidity, as that scatters the beam a bit, and yet you're still talking about how 10% of its power will obliterate things.
>>534945942Are you illiterate? I’m not the cunt delivering the device to the vent. Think of something like, again as stated, those mechanized amazon delivery dogs. They’re pretty heavy, too. Drive that fucker right up to your grill and *boop*. The remaining question is whether your AI-powered drone would mark my AI-powered delivery dog as an enemy combatant, assuming they’re both being managed by what is essentially the same proprietary AI black box, and again, whether that AI blackbox would be able to “recognise” itself. Shit, you could essentially accomplish the same thing with an RC monster truck car.Failing that, there are devices that exist that can induce seismic quakes by means of acoustics, but that’s more of a fuck-you-last-resort sort of deal due to collateral damage to both land and infrastructure. Also an extremelyshitty way to die.
>>534946839So it’s an unnecessarily expensive piece of shit that won’t do shit if it rains when it’s a bit warm?
>>534946967>Drive that fucker right up to your grill and *boop*.This would imply that you're already on the ground and close enough to deploy it. Which makes using the drone retarded in the first place.>The remaining question is whether your AI-powered drone would mark my AI-powered delivery dog as an enemy combatant,No, the question is how you're traversing the 500+km to even get close to that vent without getting spotted and blown up. Your entire case rests on the premise that you're able to get up close to that vent without me seeing and killing you. Which is clinically retarded.>Lets build our 'death star bunker' and put a 'death star thermal exhaust port' on it and leave that unprotected!You sound like you need to stop watching tv.
>>534941733>LasersThis is and will always be a meme outside close range or high atmosphere. Small auto turrets will suffice for drones. Area denial systems and optical recognition software has been in development for decades now. As for missile defense using anything short of a drone dome or mesh of interceptor type drones isn't gonna yield any better results. You can't defeat cheap by being expensive. You have to scale up the cheapness.
>>534947093>won’t do shitmeh, it'll do something. But its range will drop heavily. Say from 3km to <500m.Your best bet is still an auto turret. And even those are reasonably easily defeated by remote controlling the drone & flying it 'erratically'.
>>534941733>The price is $2 per shot.lmao they are pricing the electricity instead of the capital and maintenance costs. This hunk of shit is going to break every 3 days and cost millions to refit.
>>534946839Industrial cutters are divergent, but military lasers use large aperture beam directors to maintain a tight focal spot over kmsThe inverse square law applies to point sources, not highly collimated coherent beams. Even in high humidity, modern adaptive optics compensate for atmospheric turbulence in real-time.Also, Spectralon is a thermoplastic, not a magic shield. It has a damage thresholdWhen a 30kW+ beam hits it, the material undergoes rapid thermal decomposition regardless of its diffuse propertiesAnd you do not need several seconds on a single spot. At those energy densities, the structural integrity of a drone's plastic propeller or thin aluminum wing spar is compromised in millisecondsYou are desperately Googling physics terms without understanding how they are actually applied in electronic warfare
>>534947483so its just a function of projected time to kill divided by speed of target to learn how many drones/missiles/flying shit you need to overwhelm it and kill it right?>wundebar wunderwaffen
>>534941733>Its range is 3kmShit range. Enough to take out with a rocket mounted shahed.
>>534947573>cutters are divergentPlease just stop talking. It's not even funny anymore how retarded you are.>The inverse square law applies to point sources, not highly collimated coherent beamsGenuinely, how the fuck do you hold the notions that something is highly collimated yet not comparable to a point source in your mind at once? Seriously. Do you need a timer to remind you to breathe?>rapid thermal decompositionYes. Over several seconds. You can't hold your beam at the same microscopic position for several seconds. So in the best case you're creating a line of discoloration across the surface.>And you do not need several seconds on a single spotYeah, you do. Phi = Lambda * w. E = A * E(i), where A = 1 - R - T. Again: please go back to school and take some basic physics. This is high school stuff.>You are desperately Googling physics termsPic related is you
>>534941733best ally
>>534941733>and it cannot be used in bad weather. (Laser energy disperses in rain, dense fog, or dust.)This is the flaw that will always keep lasers from being useful weapons. They are a nice support system to have to bolster defensive options, but they cannot be your primary defensive measure because that just means that your enemy waits for (or creates) conditions where the laser becomes worthless. Japan's interceptor railgun program is the sweet spot solution to this problem, lasers are almost the right answer but so long as they are trivial to render inoperable they cannot be relied upon.
>>534947644Yes. And that's for non-controlled drones.Any drone that's being operated could easily ensure that you simply cannot keep the beam on it long enough to burn through anything.Also note that all of these systems rely on charging (super)capacitors over time, and then releasing that energy all at once. "Reload" times are relatively high, so "overloading" one could be as easy as sending 2 drones at once (depending on the amount of capacitors it could have a few shots, but not more than 5 or so before it's out of juice).
>>534947359if blackbox AI-powered cars “break” when encountering edge cases such as a woman riding a bicycle with shopping bags, then that same edge case logic can be extended to your blackbox AI-powered drone surveillance network encompassing those ~500km or so of empty land. I’ll admit that I am boots on the ground for the operation, but if tether length is my limiting factor (because your natural response would be to seek out the operator above-ground in the open), then I’m much more inclined to consider something i can send on a linear trajectory with an egg timer, ammonia bottle included.Which brings me back to the crux of your defense, assuming that your blackbox AI-powered drone surveillance network is entirely infallible and won’t break down like literally every other “AI” because you, and I, don’t know what metrics and/or measurements the AI is utilising to make its decisions. But, through sheer process of elimination, eventually there will be a unique edge case that I can utilise to fling an RC car carrying a bottle of piss at you, and there is nothing you can do about it because I have the aggressor’s advantage, in that I can entirely dictate the terms of our engagement by ensuring you are hiding in your DUMBS like a rat by means of sustained missile salvo. NOW the BIG question is whether i can get the timing right or not, and whether that bottle of ammonia will survive the ~500km trip unimpeded by either local sand niggers or jeets.
>>534944873Nigger it will only buy you few seconds also making it too shiny makes it too vulnerable to radar. The better strategy is to use multiple drones fitted with RPGs to attack the laser from all angles, since lasers are highly directional.
Is this Jewish cultural appropriation?
>>534948372Also attack it from very low flying trajectory. That way its effectiveness would reduce massively.
>>534941733This is a complete meme weapon. Rate of fire isneztremely low and the cost is not “two dollars per laser fired”. What an absurd claim.
>>534947859R-60 is only good against targets without armor also it most likely can be easily destroyed with same laser too since its a heat seeking missile
>>534948333>blackbox AI-powered drone surveillance networkMy 'blackbox AI-powered drone surveillance network' is the people that are in the bunker looking at the cameras.>eventually there will be a unique edge case that I can utilise to fling an RC car carrying a bottle of piss at youNot until you're already close enough that it doesn't even matter.>the aggressor’s advantageYou mean disadvantage, right? Bunkers are unironically made for defending from.>unimpeded by either local sand niggers or jeets.The fact that you understand this massive hole in your argument makes me wonder why you made it in the first place.
>>534948372>radarradar is a meme. a couple of 240p cameras can do better than radar can. Meanwhile the US is now making drones that connect to Starlink (Starshield). Whilst Russia spent the past few years launching satellites that can detect & locate Starlink clients.So the US is now building drones that will literally ping their position to Russia constantly during flight.
>>534947929You are confusing a Gaussian beam’s static properties with the kinetic energy delivery of a multi-kilowatt fiber laserFirst, your argument about moving targets is decades out of date. Modern beam directors use fast-steering mirrors (FSM) and AI-based centroid tracking that stays locked onto a specific spot with sub-millimeter precision, even while the drone is maneuvering. We are not drawing lines on the surface; we are drilling through the exact same point at the speed of light.Second, you keep ignoring the thermal shock factor. We don't need to melt the entire drone. We only need to compromise a single critical component like a carbon fiber spar or an optical sensor, which happens almost instantly at 30kW+ power levels
>>534946551That's the cost of thirty Shahed drones. If thirty drones are sent at that thing, or even just a single missile, the advantage is with the aggressor.
>>534949611>You are confusing a Gaussian beam’s static properties with the kinetic energy delivery of a multi-kilowatt fiber laserNo, I am comparing 1 highly collated beam of energy (a cutting laser) with another highly collated beam of energy (a military laser).And yes, these are both highly collated.>even while the drone is maneuvering.Only whilst its motion it completely predictable and simple. Your supposed 'AI-based centroid tracking' is nothing more than simple momentum-based forward calculation (X(t) = X(t-1) + V(t)). It really unironically is that simple. There isn't even any AI in it. If there is, it's a marketing ploy by a company trying to scam you.As soon as the drone does anything other than very smooth predictable motions, you're screwed.>We are not drawing lines on the surfaceYes, you are. The drone literally just needs to jitter about on its forward-vector, and drawing lines is all you'll be doing.>30kW+ power levelsYeah that 30kW is at 1mm from the laser. You keep forgetting about inverse square law, and diffusion in the atmosphere.If only 10% of the power of your laser can still burn through anything, WHY IS THE RANGE OF THE LASER SO SHORT?
>>534950019>That's the cost of thirty Shahed drones.A Shahed is a scooter engine on an aluminium frame with some fiberglass around it.You can buy a hell of a lot more than 30 scooters for a million dollars, no matter what the US (((MIC))) companies try to tell you.
>>534950294remote controlled scooter with explosivessame as small missile not a scooter
>>534950210Your understanding of tracking technology is stuck in the 1980sModern closed loop electro-optical tracking doesn't just use simple momentum calculation. It uses high speed cameras operating at thousands of frames per second combined with fast-steering mirrors (FSM) that can adjust the beam's direction at sub-millisecond intervals.A drone's jitter is slow motion compared to the response time of a military grade gimbal system.Also, the beam isn't an omnidirectional light bulb; it is a coherent wavefront. The effective range is limited by atmospheric thermal blooming and diffraction, not by your high school physics formula. At this point, you are just denying reality to protect your ego
>>534950521In terms of cost, it's really comparable to a scooter. It's an engine block, some aluminum tubing, and the basic chips you'll find in most DJI-drones.JewSA keeps shouting about how these are $35k drones when Ahmed can make them in his shed for about $4k. Slap another $1000 worth of explosives on the front and you're done.
>>534941929Your sunglasses will melt into your eyes
>>534950709>Modern closed loop electro-optical tracking doesn't just use simple momentum calculationIt literally does. Electro-optical tracking has been around since the 50s. The only thing that's dropped is the latency.There is no "AI" in centroid tracking. It's a very simple calculation to spot the distance traveled between two frames and converting that to velocity based on estimated euclidean distance.>But my fast-steering mirrors FSM!!!Has been around since the 70s. Settling times are still at around 0.5ms. So your sub-ms interval is already degraded by the mirror itself.>A drone's jitter is slow motion compared to the response time of a military grade gimbal system.holy shit you're retarded. A jitter on the drone's side of 0.5 arc-seconds means your laser has to predict and compensate by 5 arc-seconds.>diffraction, not by your high school physics formula.That high school physics formula IS diffraction, retard. Whether it's omni-directional or not doesn't matter, as the perspective for the amount of incoming energy isn't at the point of the source.At this point, you're showing that you're more retarded than an average 15-year-old
>>534941733>The price is $2 per shot.How many shots before the laser needs a rebuild? These things consume huge amounts of power of which about 30% is turned into light. Rest becomes heat. These lasers arent really doing anythuing you cant do with a 57 mm autocannon firing 3p ammo. Koreans making fuzes and ammo for themselves could reduce the cost of a 57 mm 3p fuzed shell to 20-30 dollars. And it would be useful for far more than just shooting drones. You can shoot up niggers on the ground with it. A low drag 57 mm shell from a bofors will go to 17000 meters range so you can use it as pocket artillery in a pinch. If you water cool the barrel it lasts for thousands of shots (which is why no in service bofors 57 has water cooling).
>>534951091You are conflating basic legacy sensors with modern multi-spectral target acquisition. Modern systems do not just calculate distance between two frames. They use deep learning based object classification to identify weak points in real-time and Kalman filtering to predict non-linear flight paths. It is not just about latency, it is about processing multi-modal data to eliminate sensor noise that would confuse your 50s era tech.Also, your mention of 0.5ms settling time proves you are reading outdated spec sheets. High-end piezo-driven FSMs and MEMS-based steering have bandwidths in the kilohertz range, meaning they can compensate for atmospheric jitter and target vibration far faster than any physical drone can maneuver.And for the last time, diffraction limits are managed by large aperture optics and beam combining technology. We are not firing a single weak beam; we are combining multiple fiber laser modules into a single coherent strike.Go ahead and have the last word if it saves your ego, Im done educating a brick wall
>>534950725russia was buying shaheds for almost 200 000$ per unit and produces most basic version of geran at 20-30k$ per unit
>>534951427>Modern systems do not just calculate distance between two frames.yes, they really do.>They use deep learning based object classification to identify weak points in real-time and Kalman filtering to predict non-linear flight paths.The Kalman filtering is to filter out noisy input signals, not to predict non-linear flight paths. That's not how Kalman filters work at all. Kalman filters literally just reduce noise, that's all they do. They're in every single IMU on the planet.Please stop Googling random shit and then thinking it makes you look smart.>Also, your mention of 0.5ms settling time proves you are reading outdated spec sheets. High-end piezo-driven FSMs and MEMS-based steering have bandwidths in the kilohertz range, meaning they can compensate for atmospheric jitter and target vibration far faster than any physical drone can maneuver.I don't think you understand what settling means. Yes, the movement speed is in the kilohertz. The settling time (the time duration after which the mirrors actually stop vibrating and consistently point where they should) is 0.5ms.>managed By 'managed' you're simply talking about collation. Which is far from perfect. You simply cannot beat physics, no matter how much you screech.Please kys now.
>>534951118Even if you magically reduce the cost of a 3P fuzed shell to 30 dollars, you are still limited by magazine capacity. A drone swarm doesn't wait for you to reload. While you are busy swapping barrels and managing heat on your water cooled Bofors, the laser is still firing as long as the generator has fuel.Also, your range argument is misleading. A 57mm shell has a travel time, meaning you have to lead the target, and accuracy drops significantly at max range against small, maneuvering UAVs. A laser hits at the speed of light with zero travel time, making it much more effective against erratic swarms.And let's talk about collateral damage. Firing 57mm shells into the sky means those shells (or their fragments) have to come down somewhere. In a dense environment, that is a liability. A laser doesn't have that problem. Stick to your 20th century hardware if you want, but lasers are the only way to handle high volume, low cost threats without running out of ammo in the first ten minutes.
>>534951783Please show me where the Russian state published it's buying cost for shaheds.Not some glowie CIA estimate.
>>534951427I read both of your arguments, and you are right.
>>534941733TTK sucks as all laser systems.Also pic related, its worse nightmare and justs costs 2 bucks per squarmeter, and increases TTK even more.
>>534951891best i can do is russian military bloggers https://dzen.ru/a/ZcOU-CwnE1BmvZx3
>>534941733There is nothing more retarded than laser weapons. I can't believe investors are still pouring money onto this rugpull. You can neutralize it just with smoke, mirrors, attacking under a bad weather, etc... Light is not a reliaible vector. For the nature of photons unless you have 99% ideal environment conditions it's bullshit
>>534952297So no.>Nasir satellite receiver offers high levels of interference immunityWhy would a Russian drone be equipped with a receiver specifically for a decade-old Iranian satellite in the first place? The Nasir is just Iran's proprietary version of GPS/GLONASS (which didn't even roll out that much, so coverage isn't great).You can get receivers that do GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, Beidou etc. COMBINED for about $20. At scale it's probably less than half that price. Your phone has one.(You'd run a Kalman filter across the several inputs to get a more accurate position).tl;dr: Don't take your information from random bloggers, because they don't know what they're talking about.
>>534941733Nobody has to get hurt.Your meme weapons are just that.Just fucking surrender to your True King already FFS.Pig ignorant fucking gooks.
>>534952782and where is your authority retard?what do you have to back your claims?go on post official/accurate costs of either geran or shahedsno one cares about your opinion
>>534946341>A 30kW to 100kW laser focuses several kilograms of TNT worth of energy every second onto a spot the size of a coin.I looked it up. One gram of TNT contains 4184 joule. 1 watt pf energy released for 1 second generates 1 joule. So 30 000 watt of light under 1 second would generate an energy release equal to 30000/4184 or 7.17 gram of TNT. You need to get up into 10's of millions of watts (megawatts) before you get "several kilograms of TNT per second".
>>534944938based, fuck plastic gooks
>>534952950>what do you have to back your claims?a basic bill of materials.>Aluminium tubes: $200>Fiberglass + inner honeycomb radar-absorption: $500>Scooter engine: $2250>Flight controller PCB: $85>IMU: $0.42>Navigation System: $18.99>Servos & solenoids for steering: $20>Warhead: $2000>Total: $5074,41Add another $300 for Ahmed's labor costs & some shipping etc.
>>534946839>Diffuse reflective coatings (e.g. Spectralon) scatter ALL wavelengths in ALL directions.Lasers doesnt use spread spectrum, and they are limited to use wavelengths that pass trough water vapor and the atmosphere otherwise they just end up dumping their energy into the air. Short wave IR would probably be the most useful so your coating need to only be good at reflecting that wavelength and nothing more. Ideally lasers would use ultrahard gamma ray radiation since it cannot be reflected in a conventional as the photons are so small that they will pass trough solid matter and rip away electrons as they do so generating a plasma explosion in the target. But this tech is pure scifi at the moment and in the future. The americans wanted to use nuclear bomb pumped x-ray lasers in their star wars project in the 1980s. Thats the closest theoretical we have got.
>>534951783>russia was buying shaheds for almost 200 000$ per unitmade up propaganda, and most of the price actually came from the "licencing fee", not the drones itself.> and produces most basic version of geran at 20-30k$ per unitagain made up propaganda, newst calculaton show they that they can make shaeds as cheap as sub 10k domestically, of course thats the basic version. because they all use the muh engine is 15-17k USD priced on ali express. Neither Iran nor Russia uses chinese engiens as they are made domestically and they are now mass produced. A simple boxer engine doesn't cost your 15 grand.
>>534953269so start production and sell them for 15k you'll be bilionaire in 10 years
>>534953394>again made up propaganda, newst calculaton show they that they can make shaeds as cheap as sub 10k domestically, of course thats the basic version.so show us those calculations whats your source
>>534953269Oops. Forgot to add another $30-$50 for the battery >>534953317>otherwise they just end up dumping their energy into the air.That's exactly what they do. That's why their range is so abysmal. A standard laser pointer (5mW) can reach the moon. But these 'military' lasers are multiple kW and their effective range is just a couple of kilometers.
>>534947573>Even in high humidity, modern adaptive optics compensate for atmospheric turbulence in real-time.The problem here is that water absorbs, reflects and bends (lense) light. Lasers are also thwarted by sand storms which the saudis found out when they bought a chink laser system to protect them from houthi drones. The saudis found out that laser didnt do much because the light scattered from dust in the air but the chink jammer system worked very well.So, what happens when it snows in Korea? Or rains? Dont you guys have monsoon rains and typhoons?
>>534941733>cant be used on cloudy daysSo useless because thats when the drone attacks will be launched
>>534941733>"rays of light from the sky"Ööööh this is wery wise
>>534949611>We only need to compromise a single critical component like a carbon fiber spar or an optical sensor, which happens almost instantly at 30kW+ power levelsAre you daft? You cant send this shit into the front line zone, it will be spotted by observer drones and them slammed with artillery. A north korean 180 mm shell spins so fast that your laser spot will be a laser ring and it will only be within effective range for a couple of seconds. Then your laser vehicle and its large cooling array is shredded by steel fragmentation from a nearby airburst and your vehicle is a wreck. Lots of MIC products are non workable scams, particulary from the american and european "defense" industry. These scams work because the people who fall for them are liberal arts politicians and officers.
>>534941733>paint drones white and add reflective surfaces to the frontal arcs>deploy illuminated chaff while closing range>have each drone deploy smoke and fly in formations that put smoke trails between the lead drones and the lasersYou could drop the number of drones needed to overwhelm that thing down to less than twenty with countermeasures you could build out of parts bought from home depot and best buy, and adding more lasers wouldn't help much.
>>534954319>A north korean 180 mm shell spins so fast that your laser spot will be a laser ring and it will only be within effective range for a couple of seconds.Yeah the funniest shit is when they started pushing that lasers would obliterate all artillery until people started pointing out that a rifled barrel would completely negate it by simply spinning the shell.
>>534941733>Unless 100 drones are swarming at once... Which is exactly the standard defense saturation tactic
I work with lasers (medical)This will never see battlefield except for very special casesIt's much too easy to protect against lasersReflecting surface is all you need
>>534954573Bit if someone can do it it's probably SKThey are making good hardware
>>534941733>equip drones with mini fog machinesWat Naow Dood
>>534941733First?
>>534951856The effective range of your laser in bad weather is a fraction of the effective range of a 57 mm in bad weather. And it is far far far more useful on a battlefield than your laser since it is not single task but general purpose.These laser systems are a solution looking for a problem. They were originally an american MIC project created to milk the US government out of R&D money in cost-plus contracts. Same with the railgun projects. The "use lasers against drones" concept is an attempt to prolong the lifespan of this scam.
>>534953770I wonder why I even post, because you won't read it anyway. https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/cost-of-a-shahed/
>>534955250the only were laser weapons might be usefull is in space, where one of the most hampering factors, aka atmosphere doesn't exist.
Plus Russia has been flying dummy drones in the swarm so you dont know which ones to hit
>>534941733Uhuhuhuhuhuhuh he said Wang.
>>534941733kek how many billions of dollars have been wasted because people saw star wars and think they can make a laser that works like a sci-fi blaster. pew pew!
>>534941733>The price is $2 per shot.lol and the gun is half a billion dollars.
>>534941977>>534942259How many do you have? Because the DPRK has a LOOOOT of ballistic missiles. Picrel is a batch of 1000 KN-24s being delivered to frontline forces back in 2024. That's not the only batch that was delivered and they have a lot of other classes of ballistic missiles aside from the KN-24, and that's not even getting into their 300mm and 240mm rocket artillery. Wikipedia says you've only got like 25 Cheongung 2 batteries, so that works out to 800 interceptors ready to launch. If we are generous and assume two interceptors per incoming, that's 400 interceptions before needing to be reloaded. The math ain't looking good for you guys.>>534955250>Same with the railgun projects.At least electromagnetic accelerators have some applications
I am curious about1 japs smaller rail gun2 range of laser, 3km seems pipe dream3 how bad ass are lasers usa has?4 when rods from the gods?
>>534955356>Drones Like Bicycles>Esfandyar Batmanghelidj>Iranian media has not reported the production cost of the Shahed-136. Interestingly, when costs are cited in Persian-language reports, they use the same $20,000 to $50,000 range seen in media reports.>The United States recently unveiled its version of the Shahed-136, called the Low-cost Uncrewed Combat Attack System, or LUCAS. CENTCOM has briefed reporters that the LUCAS has a production cost of $35,000. This is the clearest evidence that the widely reported cost estimates for the Shahed-136 are incorrect. While slightly smaller, the LUCAS is a more advanced drone, produced with composite materials, greater precision, and more features, including an integrated Starlink terminal. Even if the LUCAS were more rudimentary, and thereby more like a Shahed-136, the inherent differences in factor costs involved in defense production—equipment, materials, and labor, especially skilled labor—between the United States and Iran necessarily means that the two drones cannot have the same production cost.>I found this perplexing. Producing a kamikaze drone in Iran cannot be the same cost as producing a similar drone with more expensive labor, more-advanced materials, and more-advanced technology in the US. So I asked an academic in Tehran with knowledge of Iran’s defense industry whether he had ever come across an estimate for the production cost of a Shahed-136. He asked around. The number he came back with was IRR 6 billion, or around $4,000 at the current main exchange rate. While verification of this figure is beyond the scope of this piece, it provides a clue that the Shahed-136 must be cheaper to produce than has been reported.
>>534957133It is cheaper. The estimate first off should never be done I na currency Iranians don't even use as 1 USD is like $6000000 Iranian dollars. Do its pointless to do.
>>534954478Laser weapons are garbage limited by line of sight and weather. Can only stop slow moving things as it needs time to pierce the devices. Recharge time can't keep up with targets. It's shilled cause people are dumb.
>>534955774No, it is $1.1 million.
>>534957133>including an integrated Starlink terminalThis is the most retarded bit, as Russia has now shown that it can track those terminals. You're literally pinging your position to Russia on a constant basis.Iran has also used this to snuff out the mossad faggots in their country.
>>534944839he's right though. There is NO real counter to drone spam. The MIC will pretend there is, but they're just lying to sell more overpriced AD systems. Air defenses are simply inadequate against it.
>>534957521There is no recharge. You can fire a pulsed laser in pico seconds intervals if you want.But you are right. It's a meme. You just need to scatter the light with a reflective surface.
