>>534951809I wasn't, let me get there and then I'll worry about it.
>>534951809Spic bitch can earn this dick
name one way you can accumulate 1 billion dollars without at some point stealing someones labor
>>534951809>>534951886None of them earned anything. They all stole it. No one who's got enough wealth to wield power got it honestly. No one. You could literally determine execution value by net worth.
liberals always telling you what you can't do.
>>534951809She is right.However, you hold properties that become as valueble as 1 billion dollars
There are probably a handful of billionaires that didn't profit from immigration or outsourcing.
>>534951954Gambling and getting really lucky the chance might be small but statistically speaking there's still a chance
>>534951954>stealing someones laborgod u people are stupid. commies kys
>>534951958You want to hurt a billionare netwoth?Stop using amazon
>>534951809 dont worry u never will
obviously correct but some tards are gonna cry about it because they think they are kinda like billionaires.. in a way!
>>534951809damn sometimes she's ugly as FUCK.other times she's got me like DAYUMMMMMM.in short: she makes me think like a nigger
>>534951809You can if you start with 3 billion
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>>534951809I mean she's right.Millions yes.Billions no way.
>>534951809100% agree with her.There’s no amount of work or ‘achievement’ you can realistically do that’s worth a billion dollars. Not even curing cancer. Capitalism only works when there are checks and balances which America has completely abandoned. Everything is a monopoly hiding under fake facades and umbrella companies.
>>534951809I wonder if AOC hates rich white men as much as I do
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>>534951809any deepfakes of her
>>534952173capitalism works inherently when there aren't checks and balances. the reason mega billionaires exist is because of manipulation. first of all the taxes on further income should begin to get extreme, and secondly they should be philanthropizing physically not on paper. when was the last time a park was built in NYC? wtf is wrong with these greedmaxxers?the tax the rich are all fools they'll just increase taxes on 80k-300k salaries and make being middle class permanent slavery.
>>534952031Let em know king, you'll be one of the billionaires any day now
>>534951954>stealing someones labor>aka hiring people to do jobs for an agreed upon dollar amountstart your own business and do everything yourself then, retard. I'm sure you'll be successful
>>534951809I mean she's not wrong. I wonder if she likes the idea of rounding them up and gassing them? That would be my solution.
>>534951809She's right. If there were no taxes there would be no billionaires.
>>534951809Why have faggots redefined what rich means? Millionaires are no longer considered rich because there are many many many democrats that are Millionaires. Why are faggots so fucking stupid?
>>534951809Someone rape her already
>>534951809She's right
>>534951809why stop at 1 billion?
>>534952371>aka hiring people to do jobs for an agreed upon dollar amountAin't a single billionaire who earned their income, they cheated, scammed, and got generous government subsidies taken at gunpoint.
>>534952538how did she "earn" her millions?
>>534952371Libertoids have no solution for any problem in society or the economy that isn’t just starting a new business so you can exploit people in a slightly different way
>>534952325Yes, many
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>>534952575sure, you might be right. By why stop at 1 billion? What about 100 million? 10 Million? 1 million?
>>534951999do you even know what a liberal is, you fucking retard?
>>534951809nah Jerry Seinfeld actually managed to earn a billion. Wrote and performed in a TV series that paid him through residuals and merch, sold tickets to shows where he personally entertained people, ran a couple of other shows
>>534951954>without at some point stealing someones laborNo one could ever win with your imaginary rules because at some point someone underbid everyone else for the job for whatever reason unrelated to me and now I've "stolen their labor".
She's right. Most people would be lucky to make 10 million in their lifetimes. And that's with a good paying job too. Billionaires are evil. Elon is Satan.
>>534952020point taken lol but how many billionaires do you know who did it purely through gambling?
>>534952642I'm not a libertarian. But communists are still retarded. Most of them are akin to burger flippers who think they should own mcdonalds and reap the profits. That is fucking retarded, completely independent of the scams and schemes of the billionaire class
>>534951809Mindless bimbo doesn't know the difference between annual income and net worth.You can own billions of dollars of your company's stock but if it doesn't pay a dividend you have no income.
>>534951809She is not wrong you know
>>534952154Seeing people like this is unreal. I know(I hope) that most of them are just kids, but it still makes me sad
>>534951809You can if you’re skilled at allocating capital efficiently enough
>>534952707That’s a prime example of someone who should not be able to earn a billion. He wrote some unfunny episodes which took him at most a few hundred hours of labour. Fuck your gay Jew residual bullshit.
>>534951954Build a giant storage and delivery system so you can 2 day ship anything anyone needs to their house.
>>534952798also this. Leftists are financially illiterate. They think elon musk has a trillion dollars sitting in a piggy bank somewhere just like their collection of quarters. You can't even get to the actual issues at hand involving the billionaire class because these low IQ retards fling shit all over everything
>>534952642And so, what's your idiotic 'solution,' "let's just burn it all down? Let's just wait and see what Trump does?" Moron
>>534952704Because plenty of people become multi millionaires entirely off of talent and providing a service, anon.Stop being a reductionist, it makes you look like a retard; there's a certain point where wealth accumulation stops being feasible without stealing.>ok but when is that pointI don't know, and it doesn't matter to the conversation at hand.No one earns a billion dollars.
>>534952877There’s something uniquely frustrating about being downvoted on Reddit. You put time and effort into crafting a thoughtful comment, sharing your perspective, or even just making a light-hearted joke, only to see those downvotes start piling up. It feels like a personal rejection, even though logically, I know it’s not. It's not just that someone disagrees with me—they’re actively saying my contribution doesn’t matter, that it’s not worth anyone else seeing. It stings.What really gets to me is how impersonal and anonymous it is. There’s no feedback, no dialogue—just a faceless number that slowly erases your words from the conversation. It’s like being shouted down in a crowd, but you can’t even see who’s doing the shouting. Was my point misunderstood? Did I offend someone without realizing it? Or maybe people just don’t care? That lack of closure gnaws at me, making me second-guess everything I write.Worse, Reddit’s algorithms treat downvotes like poison. If you get too many, your comment becomes invisible, buried at the bottom of the thread. It’s like you never even spoke, like your voice was silenced. And let’s be real—sometimes it feels like people downvote for the most trivial reasons. You used the wrong wording, or your humor didn’t quite land, and suddenly your comment is spiraling into the negatives.It’s hard not to take it personally, even when I know I shouldn’t. I can tell myself it’s just the internet, that downvotes don’t define my worth, but the sting of being dismissed, of not being heard? That’s hard to shake off.
>>534951954Another century of rampant inflation until the average bank statement reads like a modded balatro hand.
>>534952974You're illiterate illiterate
>>534952031Without consumer protections and market competition with the enforcement of reducing monopolies he’s not wrong. The whole system is disguised as capitalism when in reality we have a kleptocracy. The rich buy up their competition and get information from politicians to profit from insider trading. The whole thing is commie as fuck and just dressed up as capitalism for retards like you.
>>534951809why not?also what does she think it means to "earn" 1 billion dollars? like a Scrooge Mc Duck gold coin vault?
>>534951809I am a neet and I have a much higher net worth than AOC. I just looked it up and she is only worth 50 grand. No wonder she is a pissed off commie.
>>534951809So the billionaires just.. got their money somehow? Are leftists really this retarded or is it just this horse faced cunt?
Some people have inherit $150k and whittle it away in a few yearsOther people use the $150k inheritance to make $200k, then 500k, eventually $1,000,000, then $10,000,000 all the way to $1,000,000,000Are these people super rare? Yup. Which is why you can confortably fit the workds billionaires into a large conference room. Most people are incapable of the risk tolerance and dedication it takes to grow capital that big, but those who can develop those skills should be allowed to
>>534953039>there's a certain point where wealth accumulation stops being feasible without stealing.it becomes impossible
>>534951809i mean she's right. the only way a company gets that large - and thus the CEO's stock value - is because workers make it happen. CEOs don't "create" anything except the initial idea of the company. they need others to help them but these workers are nearly always given almost nothing in return. "job creators" they are called yet nowadays a job is basically saying, "hey, thanks, i am not homeless but barely still get by, while you are on your 3rd yacht".
>>534953039How does it become stealing “at a point”?
We're just gonna tax the richOops it appears the rich were able to find loopholes and we can't fund our grand social services plan which includes infinity bucks for niggers and sex vhange operations, guess we better tax the middle classThis is every young liberal upstart in the last ten years by the way
>>534953343Lmao "muh workers" you are such a faggot my guy
>>534952855The internet makes it absurdly easy to earn $1 Billion dollars, actually. How many $100 items have you bought in your life time? Just 10 million people across the entire planet of roughly ~8 billion have to buy one and congratulations that's 1 billion dollars.
>>534953268>So the billionaires just.. got their money somehow?Well yes... a lot of their CapEx comes from.... fake money being pushed into the economyyou pay for it btw (with inflation)
>>534953039>Because plenty of people become multi millionaires entirely off of talent and providing a service, anon.Elon musks networth is intimately tied to the stock price of tesla. Jeff bezos to that of amazon, and so on. Is tesla's stock valuation stealing? You know michael jordan is a billionaire, did he earn it? How about Oprah? You know that pro athletes are now given 100+ million dollar contracts and could easily turn themselves into billionaires? Do they earn this money? Or would you rather it all go back to their owners (billionaires who you might claim are stealing these future billionaire athletes labor)? kek You are a financially illiterate spiteful mutant that can't even handle his own personal finances, and you want to comment on whether or not someone else earned their networth or not.
>>534953397They forget the rich will always have states who are willing to offer them sweetheart tax structures to coax them away from the states they currently reside in.They don’t have to sit there and get eaten when they can just move to a state that doesn’t have a massive problem with them being incredibly wealthy
>>534953157>no you!this is but another reason why the billionaire class will continue to run right over us. You are all fucking morons and you deserve it at this point
>>534953268They didn’t get it because they made something the world needs I can fucking tell you that. Take Elon Musk for example: His shit box called the Tesla has no real outside competition because the genius Trump and other politicans before him put tariffs on foreign vehicles to increase the profit of each vehicle sold. Now you retards will say this is protect American jobs when Elon Musk hires only H1-b immigrants because he can get away with paying them less. Americans end up getting fucked both ways and Elon Musk is well on his way of becoming a trillionaire.
>>534951809Says who? Some kike marxist?
>>534951809You could if you invented a pill that stopped or reversed aging, or if you invent warp drive or something similar maybe. But yes, most billionaires simply got wealthy through a complex network of financial trickery involving our banking system, which simply siphons wealth from the rest of us. Banking jews choose winners and losers because our ancestors were too ignorant to understand what kind of power money creation has in this world.
>>534952706lol, faggot liberals man.
tfw you can't have three houses
>>534951809she's literally right.
>>534952908why not? didn't they use union labor on set? just because you didn't enjoy his work doesn't mean he didn't work and wasn't paid what others valued work
>>534953039>there's a certain point where wealth accumulation stops being feasible without stealing.Are you sure about that?You should top using the world "wealth". It's mind control. You might not realize it but words are used to cast spells on people, and put thoughts in your mind without your consent.There's no such a thing as "wealth". It's not real. Money is not what you think it is. It is a number on a screen; and from the supply chains point of view all that number does is get copper from point A to point B so then an electric motor can be manufactured or something.The bigger the electric motor production --> the bigger the numbers on the screen. It's not "wealth". It's administrative data. Nothing truly else.There's a psychological effect in that if a person uses most of their income in food, money becomes an 'equivalent' of food. Once a person is in this state of mind they can't conceiving someone having too much money . . because they can't possibly eat that much food. Idk about AOC, but politicians are not stupid, they know money =/= food. But they know people believe it. So they will push stupid demagogies like "NO ONE SHOULD HAVE THAT MUCH MONEY, THE CAN'T SPEND IT ALL IN THEIR LIFETIME" and that's not even the point of money. All they want is your consent to rape supply chains with taxes, so they get their cut.But here's the kicker, you pay for those taxes with inflation. All taxes are inflation. Final consumer always pays for the whole pie, because he doesn't recoup his expenses, he consumes.
>>534953343>"job creators"modern slavers
>>534951809Please, my fellow mutts, please don't elect this mouthpiece to Chief Executive.>>534951958>determine execution value by net worthAh,yes, because Bezos and Musk have so many murders under their belt. Same with Warren Buffett, bigtime killer pullin' niggas cards in tha hood. Now, Bill Gates, I'll give you the point on him being a violent head case.
This CIA plant will do absolutely nothing about rich leeches nor affordability
You don't "earn" anything in life. You get what you get, and some people get more than others. If you don't like it you have to take by force. If you want things to be fair you have to enforce it.
>>534954531you will not reason with liberals, fren
>>534951809Correct but for reasons far from her premise.
She's sort of right, but for the wrong reasons. These extreme amounts of wealth only occur from (((centralized banking))) and seizing control of a nation's money supply, who then redirect and redistribute the nation's wealth for their own purposes. All these absurd quantities of wealth are direct results of those who sit closest to the spigot.
>>534951954Winning a billion dollar powerball?
No one will protect billionaires harder than some retarded bumfuck rednecks who shout about muh communists
>>534952173>checks and balancesThis is a meaningless propaganda term of art.
>>534955006Lol the local, state and federal taxs take over half that
>>534953343>but these workers are nearly always given almost nothing in returnsupply and demand. If they had the skills to earn a higher wage elsewhere, why did they stay? You sound like every faggot who abruptly quits his fast good job in the middle of his shift thinking the place is going to burn down without you, only to find you were quietly replaced in an instant and only cause temporary hardship to your fellow wagie comrades. You will earn as much as you're worth. Your worth depends on how rare your skillset is and how important it is to the company you work for. Its really that simple. There are AI engineers earning multi million dollar per year contracts right now while competing companies jump to offer more money and benefits. Now compare this type of skillset with the one you have. You low tier wages should really be mad at each other for either being desperate enough to take low pay and thus setting the rate (if a job is posted at $15 per hour and 0 apply for long enough, guess what they'll start to do?), or the types of wages (mainly women) who pretty much just work for fun money because their husbands cover all the bills so they're willing to work for low pay since it covers their daily starbucks that hubby doesn't want to budget for.
>>534955275fast food***
>>534953310>Other people use the $150k inheritance to make$1,000,000,000kek
>>534953734>Is tesla's stock valuation stealing?Other than the 38billion dollars they've gotten so far from the government that's directly impacted their valuation? You could write up an entire paragraph of illegal shit Tesla and Elons done to fuck over Americans to enrich himself, it's a single google search away. You see the stock price which his wealth is tied up in and ignore that Elon has been convicted multiple times of defrauding investors and how intertwined his fingers are with the American government now.If you did even a modicum of research into the people you posted you'd see that, yes, every single one of them took part in shady and outright illegal acts to enrich themselves and made money off of actions that steal from people. But you think that sweat shops and sex trafficking are legitimate means to wealth I'm sure.>you are a financially illiterate spiteful mutant that can't even handle his own personal finances, and you want to comment on whether or not someone else earned their networth or not.t. projecting and retarded niggerbrained golem>>534954464chatGPT wall of text, try again with your own words and not the robots, fag.
>>534953734
>>534951809>letting the gender that never earns anything tell you what can be earned or not
>>534951809No, probably not.
>>534955232Winning a $2.5 billion powerball?
>>534955515>IRS enters chat
>>534955566Too bad I'm a bad business man who lost all that sweet, sweet cash in a boating accident. Oopsie... I can give you like a dollar a month for the rest of eternity though...
>>534951954You use the phrase 'stealing someones labor' without defining it. The usual meaning of stealing would apply to a physical object say like a bike where it's obvious what it means, but you are pretending it's obvious how that would carry over to labor. Maybe forcing someone to work with a whip would be stealing their labor. Or would you claim that paying someone to work for you is stealing their labor. For example, I paid a builder to re-point the wall of my houise because I'd fuck it up. Was I stealing his labor? How about when you buy something in a shop? Someone had to put the stuff on the shelves, someone else operates the till, all so I can get my stuff. Am I stealing their labour?
>>534951809>How does leverage workWhy are lefties like this
>>534955404>Other than the 38billion dollars they've gotten so far from the government that's directly impacted their valuation? You could write up an entire paragraph of illegal shit Tesla and Elons done to fuck over Americans to enrich himself, it's a single google search away.Anon, THIS is the fruitful discussion to be had. Thank you. The context of each of these billionaires wealth will invariably lead to the discovery of foul play - this is 100% true. However, the argument leftists like to have is this idea that elon has billions of dollars in his literal bank account or that mcdonalds burger flippers should own mcdonalds franchises. They've created a red herring out of their own stupidity. I was trying to get one of them to point out the context of the wealth, not the number itself. Because in the case of context, AOC is a multimillionaire with no actual skillsets to justify it either. The problem in our country is that we have a whole lot of rich people who got there through cheating, not that being or getting rich automatically means you cheated.
>>534951954Name one billionaire that has stolen someone's labor.
>>534955753>labor>labor>labor>labor>labor>labourYou were doing so good.
>>534951809Ok great, but do you have to try stop me earning 100, bitch im finna be on the street.
Reminder that the difference between $10M and $1B is about $1B
>>534951954Real Estate
>>534955969LelIt is truly a funny meme, how God made our enemies ridiculously easy to spot
>>534956933Actually, and realistically a good answer
A Somali grocer, Abdidwahid Mohamed, has been charged in a $1.1 MILLION SNAP fraud scheme in Minneapolis.Investigators say he used other people's EBT cards to buy energy drinks and baby formula at Sam's Club and Costco, then resold the goods at his store.The scheme netted him $1,141,082 between March and August 2021.SNAP is supposed to feed needy families, not line the pockets of foreign criminals. They’ve taken Americans for suckers.
>>534951809look i dont think billionaires should exist either but this sort of commie gobbledygook just makes you look like a fucking moron
Hold my beer
>>534951809YEAH I CAN
>>534951809Watch me.
>>534951908DONT GIVE ITPERMISSION IT MIGHT COME AND EAT YOU LMAO>>534951958THE CHILD RAPING NIGGER CLASS TELLS US TO WORK HARDOR ALTERNATIVELY THAT PEOPLE WHO MAKE 200K A YEAR SHOULD BE ROBBED TO PAY NIGGERSBOTH ARE HORRIBLE
>>534951954>name one way you can accumulate 1 billion dollars without at some point stealing someones laborEasyStart something called a bankPrint 1 billion dollars???Profits
>>534955753It's the fact that the only people who gets rich has to own something and have others do the labour whether by stocks or your own company, or loan money. The only "real" rich people are celebrities that are just handed money by others who like them. But usually they get most of their cash from rich companies that stole labour
>>534954531they all stole it. Government takes money from you and gives it to them. You have to pay taxes to them. Your money is constantly being devalued because more money is printed to give to them. It's why voting with your wallet doesnt work. The government will take your money and hand it to themI could get into things like fair wages and whatever, but that's more of an effect of the above
>>534951954Starting a business that sells products for a profit, then paying your workers an agreed upon amount to produce said products. It's not theft because they agreed to thee wages.
>>534955404>Other than the 38billion dollars they've gotten so far from the governmentWow, the government just gave Tesla 38 billion dollars. When did that happen?
>>534951954Usually do it through investing in various companies and assets. Your investment actually goes to pay for the labor costs either directly or indirectly.
>>534960573
>>534951954I think I will be a billionaire in 2 weeks of inflation.
>>534960666>digitschecked
>>534951809>AOC : you can't earn $100 million dollars>Nansi Pelosi and her $100 million trading account >that beats every single wall street trader, >NP: watch me do insider trading
>>534951809Aoc even sounds demonic.The fuck kinda retarded name is that??
>>534951954 >>534959469>name one way you can accumulate 1 billion dollars without at some point stealing someones labor1. Start something called a bankPrint 1 billion dollars2. Nansi Pelosi. $100 mln dollars, beats every single wall street trader. A true professional .>in insider trading
>>534951809isnt their goy taylor swift a billionare
>>534951809Shut up, stupid cunt.
>>534955874Literally all of them. Wages for minimum wage labor have not risen with inflation in over 15 years. That's literally paycheck theft as they're paying their workers less for the same or even more duties on the job.And then faggots like Elon are given government funding which comes from taxpayer dollars.
>>534951809She’s right. Die mad about it.
>>534951954Inventing some revolutionary technology
>>534961875>minimum wage laborWhat sort of work do you do that you're only earning minimum wage?>>534961875>Elon are given government fundingHow much "government funding" did he get last year? Does the Treasury send him a check or do they load up an 18 wheeler full of cash and deliver it to his giant vault where he keeps all the money bags?
>>534962280>What sort of work do you do that you're only earning minimum wage?This response ignores the fact that much of the country is faced with this, even if you're not. >How much "government funding" did he get last year?I don't have the numbers, but Tesla exists due to subsidies. The tesla charging network, a VAST network that didn't exist 20 years ago, exists because of government subsidy. SpaceX exists and functions due to government subsidy. I doubt Musk could run any of it on what he generates, profit-wise.
>>534962604>This response ignores the factYour non-response suggests that you don't even have a job and likely haven't ever even tried looking for one.>I don't have the numbersSo you're just making shit up.>The tesla charging network, a VAST network that didn't exist 20 years ago, exists because of government subsidy.So selling a product = "subsidy?Did your electric car, battery, solar, and charger company bid on those contracts? >SpaceX exists and functions due to government subsidy.So they just get truckloads of free money or they're selling spaceships, cargo launches, and global communications?
If you earned a dollar every second of your life from the day you are born, asleep, awake, every second that ticks by you're making a dollar. Within an hour you have earned $3,600, that's enough for most of your family's expenses for a month. Another hour and you can go on a luxury vacation every week. It takes you 31.71 years to earn a billion dollars. You're making $86,400 every day, which is above what the average american is earning in a year.
>>534951954it's not stealing labor. They're being paid to work in the company. It is buying their labor.
>>534963081retired>free money, paid launchesyes to bothhe's still propped up dramatically by the government.Additionally, the people with the shit to launch are also usually subsidized by the government.Your taxes pay for all kinds of shit.Wait until you hear about the data centers and sex children.
>>534951958>determine execution value by net worthNow we're talking
>>534951809The maximum amount of money you can make a year through actual honest work is $300,000/year.If you make more, you>were born into wealthy family>married into wealth>won the lottery or some other form of gambling>make money illegally on the side>whore yourself out with something like OFIf you make more than $1,000,000 a year, it’s a mix of some of those points, and adding things like Lobbying.$200,000,000 a year, you’re now raping and sacrificing babies to Moloch, and supporting Israel.It’s otherwise not possible to get such money though honest work. Even people making less than $300,000 aren’t all innocent/hard working. Many of them were born into wealth and had the inherent advantages of being wealthy or something.That’s also why leftists hate billionaires, like everyone should. No one is an honest billionaire.
>>534963281KekThe second guy who responded to this didn't get it at all. I'm glad smart people still exist here.
>>534951954First you need to explain what the fuck stealing labor is. You mean slavery?
>>534951809i remember when they forcibly remilked her on the anniversary of Jan 6
>>534951809>NOOOOOOO DON’T TAX THE BILLIONAIRES THEY NEED THAT MONEY TO RULE THE WORLD AND HOST CHILD RAPE PARTIESwhy are miggers like this???
bimbo doesn't even know how money and economics work yet she has such strong opinions about it.
>>534963455>explain what the fuck stealing labor isWhen the labor market is manipulated so that your pay is locked to the minimum bid, such as when your replacement is shipped in from overseas, but the profit margins skyrocket because the guy you got replaced with will do it for half price, meanwhile, you're unable to find a similar job to fund your modest lifestyle because the labor market has been manipulated by the same people importing cheap labor to increase their own profits, while selling you their products at a price that ALSO reflects top profits for them, and you need it, it's the framework for modern slavery. You have to realize that none of it is organic. You are intentionally kept poor. No, $300,000 a year isn't rich.
>>534951809taylor swift did
>>534963244>retiredThanks for the laughs. Good luck seizing the means of production, faggot.
>>534963600>billionaires have it all hoarded in their checking accounts, not in securities that regular working americans also own in their retirement accounts>we need the money for more brown subsidies and israel gibs
>>534963412The top job in our society is Fortune 500 CEO. That's the apex, the absolute limit, of a human being's value to the economy. Those guys have every second of their day planned out, they're super specific type A personalities with extensive educations. The job is so demanding they can't work there more than a dozen years until they burn out or get replaced.The salary of a Fortune 500 CEO is around $10 million/year. Maybe going up to $15 million for a seasoned one. This is asserting that a high level executive is about 100x more productive than a trained professional worker. Which is mind bloggling to consider, but it is within the realm of possibility.Earning $10 million/year, for 50 years, you still only made $1/2 a billion. So with that given, how are people making billions of dollars in their 30's and 40's, in the spam of a couple years? You'll notice a commonality every single time. The stock market, all of them are somehow leveraging the stock market. It's never earned through a salary, or an income, it's always earned through appreciation of stocks.The stock market is like a "magic money machine" that just spontaneously generates billions of dollars out of thin air. Not through putting in any work, but simply owning a piece of paper. The stock market is literally set up to enable this to happen. That's not a side effect, that's the POINT. It's a gambling house, a money laundering scheme.
>>534951809You can't 'earn' fucking a woman
>>534963600To anyone watching this thread, this one-post wonder has inserted anti-Trump propaganda into a thread not focused on Trump. Pay attention to his effort in not only distraction, but attempting to refocus your attention onto a negative sentiment about Trump. This is all this poster thinks about. You can care about Trump or not care about him; doesn't matter. This poster is so focused on his overwhelming hatred for Trump, he posts this in every thread in one form or another. The saddest part is that he thinks /pol/ is a pro-Trump hivemind, and that saying things like this here will afect us. This is the reddit/facebook mindset.
>>534963823People with mental deficiencies and overwhelming ignorance of the subjects they dare to attempt arguing frequently resort to ad-hom the moment they've been called to task. You did not disappoint.
>>534963761I don't think that's really stealing. That's more collusion. It's bad, of course, but I wouldn't classify as it as stealing.
>>534951809OF course not be the government has to print more than a billion dollars for someone to be a billionairewhy do leftists never consider this?that money is created and distributed unfairly that is the source of inequality and not the fact you have to get a job
>>534951954You cant. You have to step on every little guy along the way and exploit and sell out your fellow country men to do so
>>534964069You're left no recourse. It's the same as paying you in company money and demanding you shop only at the company store.
How is she wrong? Even people like Taylor Swift depend on fanatic fans spending thousands on tickets and merch.
>>534964171You make it sound like it's just be hard work and lowered morality. Billionaires are killers, thieves, absolute sociopaths. You cannot have empathy and become a billionaire. Being a billionaire itself should be an irrefutable indicator of severe mental illness, and death should be the administered treatment.
>>534952356>you don't hate them, you must want to become oneLiterally anyone would welcome the freedom of having THAT much money.Nobody thinks they're realistically going to make that much; we just aren't petty, childish retards who hate others for their success.
>>534964275that's not what she's talking about
Meanwhile this goofy bitch lives like a leech latched on the taxpayer's ass.
>>534951954scientist patents an invention worth $1Bn he never leaves his lab he's always busy working on shit he's actually too shy to talk to the lawyers hardly to sell his idea but he finally does. he patented AI to generate AOC porn videos $1 billion SOLD
>>534951954How the fuck is it "stealing labor" when a business compensates you forvan agreed upon wage?And you faggotss wonder why you are being replaced by Jeets?
>>534951954The retarded answers to this show how most people are nothing but dumb slaves. Like a broken clock AOC nailed an undeniable fact, but look at these animal replies>uhh uhhh i dunno, but somehow you can okay?Cattle. I'm posting with cattle.
>>534964192Eh, now you're just going reducio absurdum here. Either way, I'm not convinced you're talking about stealing labor. Stealing wages is very possible, and happens all the time, but not the same thing either.
>>534955874>one billionaire that has stolen someone's labor.Do you not understand how stock buybacks work? They take the profit earned from labor and just siphon it off to boost the stock price. The same stocks that are tied to pretty much every billionaire. Even when companies like Tesla have gotten over 10b in government subsidies. When the company profits should be rolled back into the company in the form of higher wages, better equipment etc etc... There is a reason stock buy backs use to be and should be illegal. It's also not an accident that the only real wealth gains since Regan has been the very top few percent.That's why they now account for fifty percent of consumer consumption. It's absolutely disgusting. Everyone across the board should be doing better, way better. Yet no, being elites steal everyone else's labor for their own private gains.
>>534964311>who hate others for their success.But if the money they're making is stolen, or unjustly made, then it is reasonable to hate on them.The free market idea that everyone's success is their own, only holds true if certain assumptions about the market are also true. But if those assumptions are false, then your morality associated with it is also false.
AOC announces she's a belligerent antisemite!!
>>534964311>Literally anyone would welcome the freedom of having THAT much money.Do you think literally anyone would be evil enough to? Is literally anyone enough of an amoral killer, poisoner, abuser, destroyer, rapist and thief, totally uninterested in what his workers need, only what they have to sacrifice to juuuuust to keep them from leaving?
>>534964293>kill all the rich!>"no they're the sociopaths"Retard
>>534952154>PhD in self-mutilation
>>534964407She hasn’t defined “stealing labor” so I don’t have enough info to take her seriously. Stealing labor? Like LITERALLY putting a gun to someone’s head and telling them to work? What do you mean?
>>534964407>I have to go to work so my boss is stealing my labordo you believe that
>>534964414This is the grey area you accept as being inevitable that keeps you enslaved.
>>534964171Do you leftists just have an epidemic of BDSM fetishists? Why do you always have this bizarre obsession with being oppressed by someone.>waahh I have to do work to get money!
>>534951809I already did in Zimbabwe
>>534958408retard, no it isn't in the slightest.You make 1 billion in real estate by having hundreds of millions to blow on a risky investment. That doesn't happen unless you have hundreds of millions to just throw away.
>>534963978Ok migger
>>534963761Why are you are acting like someone "owes" you a job?
The people at the very top give it to people that will spend their life using that money in service of said people. Same people that AOC serves. The plutocrats, the head of the nwo. Trump and a few others are as close as there is to self-made billionaires.
>>534964442It isn't stolen, its generated you fucking dolt
>>534951809She could if she opened an OnlyFans.
>>534964457Have you ever had a job in your life?
>>534964476you think I've said something contradictory because you're stupid, then you try to ridicule me because you're too stupid to understand what you're posting about, and that your arrogant ridicule is based entirely on your own misunderstandingnice
>>534964588But it's not possible for a human being to generate a billion dollars. Much less $10's of billions or $100's of billions. Clearly there's some sort of exploit going on here.Like how Elon gets privileged access to the ground floor of startups. Regular investors don't get insider deals like that. They can buy the stock when it goes public, but Elon gets access to the stock way before that, when it's in infancy.
>>534964635There isn’t a single billionaire who’s based and not a psychopathic child raping freak who wants to depopulate the planet and enslave humanity like Bill Gates. They are literally all like that. Every one of them
>>534964647Your entire "movement" is based around a fantasy of a violent revolution against "muh upper class elites". You can't even refute what I said, so I'll put it simply; you're a retard.
>>534951809>YOU CAN'T EARN A BILLION DOLLARSBet?
>>534964563the last-ditch post of the braindead moron
>>534964407yeah, most of these posters and circumcised too and will defend it as a good thing. total cattle brained
>>534964573Why do you act like you shouldn't be allowed to escape the economy if you want to?
>>534964827>t.
>>534964691>it isn't possibleAnd yet there's plenty of billionaires who prove it is possible or they wouldn't be billionaires.
>>534964635retired.My working life is over, son. Now I get to fuck off the rest of my life.
>>534952706AOC is a liberal
>>534964877Because they're all exploiting the system. There are huge exploits in the current system, mostly relating to the stock market
>>534964720You need to take your meds retard
>>534964767>Your entire "movement"I don't have a movement. What movement are you talking about?
>>534964937shalom
>>534964904>retired age person posting on /pol/>has zoomer beliefsThere's so many lies you could have chosen and yet you went with this.Lmao, lol even.At least now I know you're just a troll, I feel bad I fell for the bait.
>>534953102wtf is wrong with aussies
>>534963455> explain what the fuck stealing labor isYou've seen it before. It's scamming. Phone an old lady, pretend to be her son in an accident. You need money now for surgery. She wires it over. So long sucker.Same thing happens when your pay increase is lower than real inflation. You work the same hours, get the same pay, but everything costs more. Your boss has a racing car and a vacation home, the bankers own more than ever, while you struggle to buy groceries. You're not a slave, but somehow all labor you get has the same issue: it's stolen(scammed) from you for peanuts. You can't quit since you're a poor rentoid since you're 18. So long sucker.
>>534964936They're using the system to get rich, which is what everyone tries to do. If you were smarter maybe you'd do it too.
>>534951809Wasn't the world supposed to end due to not enacting her master's green new deal from way back? She's old af now, the milks gone sour!
>>534955753>NOOO BUT HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO WORK FOR YOU OR HE CAN'T PAY HIS BILLS OR EVEN BUY FOOD HE WILL LITERALLY STARVE YOU'RE ENSLAVING HIMdon't mind me just here waiting for someone to post this reply
>>534964948See, not wasting my time with your poor trolling anymore>>534965044
>>534951809
>>534964962So you're a schizophrenic jew? Honestly I can't say I'm surprised, most communists are.
>>534964936>the stock marketWill you fuckers shut upEVERY PROBLEM WITH WEALTH INEQUALITY COMES FROM MONEY CREATIONHOW DO THINGS BECOME MORE VALUABLEBECAUSE MORE MONEY IS CREATED TO KEEP THEM VALUABLEASSET VALUES ARENT ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE PROFIT IS RETAINING A RATIO OF VALUE COMPARED TO INFLATIONSTOCK IS SIMPLY A CONTAINER OF WEALTH OF VALUATIONIT FUCKING MONEY CREATIONTHE BANKS, THE FED, THE TREASURY
>>534964502No one is directly paid their true labor value unless it's your own private owner enterprise or co-op arrangement. You work and the company makes X profit but you don't direct see any benefit that number going up or down. You're getting a flat payment, in most cases the same payment for years. Even if company profit's sky rocket. So yeah on some level it's theft. As companies could reward labor with company profits VS stock owners who aren't lifting a finger for the company. As in why the whole line must always go up demand is so damaging. Being there is nothing wrong with steady earning and reasonable profit. Yet flat earning are seen by the market as bad, being they want more and more profits that labor created. Look at the dangerous move to increase line speeds in meat processing. You think the rewards for higher production will go to labor? No? Then why raise it if companies are already profitable?
>>534951954Define steal.
>>534965095They’re responsible for bribing and blackmailing our politicians, rigging our political and justice systems, importing hundreds of millions of third world immigrants, pushing feminism (to get women to join the labor force), and countless other social ills that they facilitated in order to enrich themselves.It’s no coincidence that over 40% of billionaires are Jewish, as they see themselves as part of a cosmopolitan international clique and not part of the nations they’re extracting wealth from
>>534951954>stealing someones laborThat's not how you spell employment.
>>534965095So your logic has evolved from, a fair marketplace where everyone creates their own value. To "however you can get money is justified". It's like saying a pirate is a smart, enterprising man, because he kills people for money, and that's smart.It's sort of like, social darwinism. Get ahead however you can, exploit anything you can. It's totally divorced from the free market logic of mutual-benefit. At this point, we're talking about some benefitting at the expense of others. Rather than achieving an optimum, society only services a few, often at the expense of everyone.
>>534965255Med schizo rabbi
>>534965311I’m the only one calling out Jews in this thread while you suck off the Epstein class.
>>534951809Says a woman on the public dole who hasn't accomplished a single thing her entire time in DC.
>>534965303>mutual benefitYou can just say you're a communistSocial darwinism is based, fuck leeches and parasites. If you can't thrive you don't deserve to survive.
>>534965365Okay jew, sorry you cannot have my shekels. Maybe try getting a job.
your toddler idea dont match realitythat labor theft you are so adamantly parroting back is just (you) wanting to be fucking lazyheres a tip: 9:30 it happens every fucking dayget your ass on the markets (the thing you cry about the thing you have equal access to) and pay attention for the liquidity event that happens every fucking day. Every fucking day. Once you know how to recognize and exploit this you can start creating your own wealth instead of bitching about how some billionaire stole your labor (nigger you dont work).
>>534964617the scientists who made AI porn of her put her out of business while making themselves rich! that's why she wants to tax them, revenge tax-fucking
>>534965303Right. Someone assumes all the risk by going into debt to start a business but you deserve an equal share of the reward because you put the fries in the bag.
>>534951809>ITT: unemployed virgins with less than $1000 to their name proceed to simp for the Epstein classI make over 150k annually, love capitalism, and even I think you nerds are fucking dumb when it comes to your weird idolization of people you perceive as better
>>534965421I agree a free market is mutual-benefit. But I'm telling you, that's not how this system works. The stock market is a huge exploit people are using to generate magic-millions totally divorced from some kind of "competitive optimum". There's other exploits too. People are fundamentally tribalistic, in search of authority figures, You can often hack into that using advertisement, and addictions, and generate absurd money totally divorced from the actual value you produced.This economy favors religious-preacher types, like Mr. Beast, who can marhsal vast swaths of people using marketing techniques, tricks, and powers of language. It doesn't favor the innovator, who actually develops new technology, and researches and strives.In fact you tend to find, the people making the most money, are the ones closest to the transaction. It's not the scientist/researcher who develops something, it's the salesman who sells it. That's the exact inverse of how things should be.Free market works when everyone is a logical calculator making rational value-judgements. But that's not how human beings are.
>>534951954You literally can't
>>534951809sure you can, just print 1000 art works and sell each for 1 million
>>534951809fuck billionaires
>>534965683good goy
>>534951809I would vote for her. Billionaires shouldn't exist. It's just pure greed after a point.
>>534965486>I'm not a jew, I just think it's based and awesome when jews destroy white countries to get rich>And you'd do it too, if you weren't such a goy!You're not fooling anybody, goldberg
>>534965228>the whole line must always go upthe reason this happens is do to unfair money creationprofit is retaining value compared to inflationpaying stagnant wages for as long as possible is a method to retain value compared to inflationuntil money creation is addressednothing a commie or socialist says means anything
>>534952020Has this ever happened? Yeah I guess that could count. Or excellent stock trading
>>534965044Buddy, from your perspective, retirement is a fantasy.I'm genX.
>>534952371>start your own business>Mega corp that uses slave labor our prices you>You remain small and local, trying to compete >If you somehow become medium size they buy you off, usually through aggressive corporate takeovers Okay now what?
>>534965044>has zoomer beliefstell me you can't think for yourself without telling me
>>534965620that's not how it is. It's more like, there's a class of wealthy insiders who get offers from these startups, and can peruse them at their leisure and decide which technologies get to live, and which die off. They are the ones deciding which direction society goes, which direction technology goes. Every time they choose the control-grid.No, we won't invest in space travel. Instead let's invest in computers, because that becomes a control-grid. No we won't invest in carbon nanotubes which can build a space-elevator, instead we invest in cranial implants, so we can control people.Glenn Greenwald made a great point. He said the reason FDR passed the New Deal, is by convincing the billionaires who run society that unless they gave something back to the people, there would be another revolution and they would be beheaded french-style. This society is basically an oligarchy. The president can only act at the discretion of the oligarchs.
>>534965143Yes, you didn't spend any time at all posting that post to tell me that you weren't posting to me anymore.
>>534965421>Social darwinism is basedAh yes, the peak delusion of meritocracy. Where you think everything gained was all just you and would be no mater what... Pathetic, being that's not how the world works
>>534951809I'm convinced people like this actually think people like elon musk have a bank account that says $700000000000 and do dives into pools of money or some other looney toons shit. I doubt anybody on earth actually has a billion dollars, it's all fake and gay sitting in shares and company value. They use it to leverage more fake printed money from banks to invest into other shitty companies that end up with fake valuations. Bad news, you can't actually steal any of this wealth with any greater effect than the government simply printing it.
Millionaires telling billionaires they have too much dosh. Fuck off.
>>534966107Her net worth is $50,000.
>>534965776lmao @ a pedo worshipping migger golem calling anyone else a goy
>>534951809just be intelligent and come upwith a pioneer technology that changes the world.>b-but i'm a retard :(fuck off then.
>>534964502Yes and i can prove it.take 10 people. 1 has capital (a piece of paper saying he's rich), 9 do not. All 10 have a need to eat. All 10 can farm. The 1 with capital uses it to buy a field, and hires the other 9 to farm. He pays them some of the food they farmed to eat, while he himself eats for free from their labor. Is he not a thief?>he manages themNo he doesn't. If he has to manage anything, he can pay a manager to do it by offering him more food than a farmer, who will now specialize in management.>why don't they rebel?he cuts the farmers' pay, then uses the extra food to buy weapons and pay 3 of the guys to keep the remaining one in line instead of doing hard farmwork. Now the remaining farmers have no choice but to labor for the thief, as the power balance is hopelessly against them. They also have to work extra hard, because the whole of society (manager, enforcers, entertainers for the boss) all need to eat and do not produce anything. The farmers are hopelessly enslaved, so the boss is more likely to give a raise to his favorite clown or whore than the farmers who feed everyone.That IS slavery or theft, no matter how you frame it. And tell me it doesn't describe today's society perfectly, where whores and clowns are rich, while the workers struggle to live basic lives with 2026 technology.
DM- Austin couple moves to Maine and the first night a homeless person shits on their stoop."We had a lot of reasons to move away from Austin, but the one that hit us the hardest was the weather,' he told Bangor Daily News. 'We were facing our fourth catastrophic event in five years and nobody was doing anything to address it.' --A Texas bureaucrat was supposed to come to their neighborhood and stop gigantic hail over their McMansion. These people really think bureaucracy is mommy. Start a gofund for the pooper he deserves a handsome reward.
>>534965717I'll admit freely that I don't understand how exactly the stock market "works" - my understanding was largely that its speculative investments.>company issues stocks to generate revenue>people buy it to invest in said company>value goes up or down depending on company success/failureI don't see any of that as an exploit, seems more like high IQ gambling to me.Mr. Beast whores out his inexplicably popular name and dipshits buy it up. I wouldn't call that exploitation; idiots are idiots.
>>534966325The government will seize your research and classify it as national security and you won't see a dime, like Tesla.
>>534966413>Is he not a thief?Not if he's generating value in the form of organization. Someone needs to be making those top-level decisions. Like whether we rust our tools working in the winter snow, or we lie fallow for a year, or we employ 5 people in 5 hour shifts, or 10 people in 10 hour shifts with 12 hour breaks....etcSomeone has to marshal everyone together and organize it all. That is a value-added. Through free market choices, people create value. Wealth moves to the value -producers who are most suited to the role.The issue I'm having is not a fundamental dispute over how free-markets work. Rather, there's certain exploits. Because human being are not perfect rational calculators.In your given example, imagine if the 9 workers started worshiping the 1 as a "god" and giving him 50% of their production for "literally no reason". That would be irrational. And however sad it is, that's something human beings are prone to do.So I'm saying, newtonian physics works. But there's issues here, there's other factors not being considered in the calculation.
>>534966041>t. parasite
>>534953207You got Mom's house, car and probably a freezer full of tendies... I envy you NEET.
>>534966413Holly fucking shit! How intelligent do you think you are?
>>534966521>largely that its speculative investments.So there's multiple type of stock. Some is corporate-bonds. That actually does track with corporate profits and such. I mean you're essentially giving a loan, and expecting to get paid back, it's tied to something tangible. But a common stock, is essentially a vote on the board of directors. Of course, the average stockholder doesn't ever exert that right to vote. But if a rich person buys enough of it, they can use that to take control of the company, or change the direction of the company. So these stock traders are essentially jockying with each other for the probability that a rich person seeking control of that company buys them out. However it also becomes a vehicle for rampant speculation. I mean look at the bitcoin market. That's a mult-billion dollar market, which is purely fueled by speculation and nothing else. Speculation is real.In general, whenever a human being is acting irrationally, that's not free-market. The free market assumes humans are rational calculators making rational value-judgements. But speculation ignites gambling urges. It's about passions, mood swings...etc. It fundamentally subverts the free market. You won't find an optimum there, instead you'll find exploited people.> more like high IQ gambling to meYeah but I'm explaining that passions, like greed, lust, sloth, all the 7 deadly sins, are not free-market. Because they cause human beings to act irrationally.
>>534966702What a fucking stupid answer. You're even dumber than the Italian anon. I quitt reading >>534966702by half...
>>534966413the laborers dont pay the cost of maintenancethats where the owners share comes indo they pay for their tools and equipmentdo they pay for the seedsdo they pay for the fertilizer and pesticidefurthermore if the harvest fails the laborer is still paid but the owner goes bankruptthe issue is simply fair wages for labor which is distorted through the need for generating profit due to inflation
>>534966987We haven't had a free market since 1945.
>>534952229>After getting badly beaten in Smash Ultimate, I felt uselesskek
>>534951954Being a sports stare ir entertainer.
>>534951954Literally gambling. When you do a deep dive on the economy you'll understand that the most successful people are in that position because they gambled and won, or someone gambled (speculated) on their company and won. The entire economy is controlled by chronic gamblers and stupid people. Understand how dumb retail investors are and how awful chronic gamblers can be and you'll suddenly magically be able to accurately predict the stock market.
>>534952043> Stop using amazonRemember that time she killed Amazon in her district an the 26,000 jobs that came with it; she really showed Bezos.
>>534966413Congrats on figuring out why people use denominational currency instead of like bartering stuff and trading blowjobs, I guess?
>>534953343Try making payroll and paying matching taxes you fucking welfare loser.
>>534951954>stealing someones labor>a contract whereby someone does an agreed upon job for an agreed upon price is stealing
>>534951958Who did Michael Jordan rob?
>>534967463For every risk taking speculating gambler who succeeds there's 100 who fail miserably and 1000 that barely break even.
>>534967901Is Michael Jordan a billionaire?
>>534968091how much wealth inequality needs to occur before it problematic?
>>534968091alse yes he is estimated to be 4.3 billion dollars
>>534966190Stfu
>>534951908Earn DEEZ NUTS
>>534951954I'm not going to say upper management is intelligent because those idiots have their own issues. But holy fuck nothing is worse than a front line employee who thinks they could just fix the entire thing if they were in charge. It's fucking delusional on so many levels.
>>534967901Ask yourself why basketball is even popular? Because people genuinely enjoy it? Or because a group of billionaires decided to advertise it and whip people's tribalism around it.
>>534968146It already is problematic.Setting the number at a billion is really a mistake, because although Michael Jordan makes considerable money from companies that benefit from slave labor conditions and abuse of foreign labor, he's never been political. Is all his money legit? Not if it's based on third-world labor abuse, but he's also a very, very rare exception; he's arguably one of the most talented sportsmen who ever lived, everyone on earth likely knows his name. There are eskimos and bush people and aborigines who know Michael Jordan. We can't possibly know if he's made any shady decisions on the way up, or killed anyone, because he hasn't been spotlighted in that way, but he exists as a recipient of wealth within a system of systemic abuse. He may not order it himself, but he knows about it, and he's ok with it.
>>534951809So they’re just giving it away are they? How do I get in on that?
>>534951809Most she could earn is maybe 100€ for an hour. Not even top rate.
>>534968410I'll sum it up for you.The upper management is sociopathic. It's all numbers. Profit at all cost. Serve the stockholders.The employees don't have to think about the stock holders. Profit over even their own health and safety isn't their focus, and never will be.
>>534952010Name literally one. Not even starting shit, I'm genuinely curious lol
>>534951809i love cute latinas like her, if she runs for president im voting for her, sorry newsom, the bbl calls out to me, the orange pedo has to go.
>>534968556they're both evil retards
>>534966104What can you expect from people whose understanding of economy comes from Marx?
>>534952706It's the cunts that are hysterical and wrong about everything. hope that clears it up cunt.
>>534951809After being ripped off by immigrants businesses are crying about the government.Typical worthless vermin.
>>534951809If she offered 250 guys the opportunity to partake in a Bukkake of her face and mouth for 4 million a load to celebrate America's Semiquincentennial. She would easily earn that billion dollars.
>>534951954>if you employ someone, that means you are stealing>checkmate
>>534965724Sum all those values and the divide by the total working population in the US
>>534951954This place really has turned into reddit, one post, 50 replies with zero arguments, 100% seethe.No, you actually cannot make a billion without stealing someone's labor, none of you have jobs. Some tradesman working all year will bring home 50k and make a couple million in his lifetime, there's no way to be as valuable as 500 of him no matter how much you work.>StocksGambling.>InvestingGambling.>Being some CEO who gets paid big moneyYeah they paid you with people below you's work. This isn't something that can be debated, gambling isn't "earning" something and being lucky isn't "earning" something, that's gambling where you took a risk and it paid off. You didn't somehow start working 500 hours a week for 60 years to make 1 billion dollars in value, that's not how it works.>>534961958Yeah this is literally the only way to actually earn a billion dollars, not some MUH BUSINESS or investing bullshit, some invention.>>534964847100% they all are>Circumcised>Went to public school>Going to work the next 40 years in order to earn like a million their whole lifeYup yup, completely mentally ill delusional slave people. They agree that some CEO or insider trader or gambler is worth more than their entire family line because.... they just earned really hard OK just earn hard bro.
>>534965190Damn she must have built a lot of houses and served a lot of hamburgers.
>>534964275She's not but /pol/ is now all circumcised reddit refugees.
>>534968910But stocks and owning assets doesn't require you to steal labor. But it does require a fuckton of capital, smarts, and conviction to pull it off.
>>534968537Name literally one.Thomas Peterffy, net worth of $57.3 billion, founder of the brokerage firm IBKR. Came from literally nothing. Not an evil dude at all.
>>534951954Selling things people want.Thats usually how you make money.That, or being a good investor and making good decisions.I can understand why leftists struggle with this since they are incapable of producing anything of value or making good decisions. Its also why they are shit at running governments and do nothing but make problems Republicans have to fix.
Let's go through some billionaires and explain how they're hacking the systemBill GatesFamous for sneaking tricky language into his contract that essentially gave him monopoly control of certain technologies, which he didn't even invent. Michael Bloomberg Invented the Bloomberg Terminal, a service that provided stock information a millisecond faster than the other guy. Anyone who didn't sign up with him would get frontrun in the market. Larry Page, Sergey BrinGoogle became a monopoly, and started buying up smaller firms. Not only were they a monopoly as a brand-name, but they actively monopolized the top talent in the industry. The Mars familySelling addictive candy products, they made billions fattening up americans and changing health standards. They employed a deliberate strategy of monopolizing shelf-space and buying up competitors. Somehow their product got prominently placed in every grocery store checkout line. The Walton familyA vertical-monopoly. They monopolize everything from production, to shipping, to distribution, to sale. They have fat exclusive-contracts so that nobody else can provide prices as low, even if they wanted to. Has a regional monoopoly over huge swaths of the US. Entire towns, cities, states, are exclusively serviced by Wallmart.Jeff BezosAmazon is a service-monopoly. Just as it's inefficient to dig up the ground to lay a duplicate set of water pipes to everyone's house, just to provide "competition". So too is it inefficient to provide a duplicate network of warehouses and fulfillment centers, just to provide "competition" with Amazon. They are just as much a natural monopoly as the water pipes, or electrical grid. It's like a public service in private hands.Elon MuskGot in on the ground-floor of various startups, and used his connections to government and power centers to bring that technology into the fore. He gets privileged backroom deals to buy stock at 20 cents, which later goes public for $100 a share
>>534968910Also the idea of "stolen labor" is hella subjective. Who's more important, the guy with the multibillion dollar idea for a company and getting the support, infrastructure, and manpower to make it happen or the cashier who's only responsibility is to do the bare minimum...if that
Dont know why youse hate her so much. Doesn't seem corrupt like every other burger politician and her hearts in the right place just a bit retarded
>>534969275>Thomas PeterffyHe supports Trump and doesn't want to ban insider trading. He was also accused of labor exploitation. Doesn't sound like a swell guy to me.
>>534969407Ever heard of Mark Cuban?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3gVyWuqXoYFound an innovator who invented new technology. Stole his idea, muscled him out of his own company. The innovator was paid a small pittance of a few million, while Cuban went on to make billions and billions.
>>534969646But they're on the same level of importance. Bro zucked before zucking was a term. Gotta love it. But when people complain about "stealing labor" they're comparing CEOs to regular grunt workers. In Cuban's case, if he didn't do anything, the guy who invented the new tech would've been the billionaire without stealing labor
>>534969933This current economy favors religious-preacher types. People who self-promote, who talk about themselves, boast about themselves. Mr. Beast types. America is a fundamentally religious country, and loves these religious-preacher type personalities, and rewards them with billions.But these guys don't produce ANYTHING, they aren't innovators, they aren't ideas-people. They're just good at manipulating and screwing other people. Getting "the sale". Ever notice how the people making the most money are the ones directly involved in selling the product? Not the people actually developing the technology. That guy is paid a million, the guy turning it into a consumer product, gets the billions. That's the exact opposite of how it should work, that's probably why the US has dragged its feet so much on innovation.
>>534969380>Bill GatesI expect the operating system your company created was better just that you weren't as ruthless at monopolizing right?>Michael BloombergYour stock ticker was probably better and he just used his connections.>GoogleI'm sure your search engine was better and they just got lucky.>The Mars familyDamn, your candy company never stood a chance with their monopoly of retail space.>WallmartI expect your retail company was actually the first to streamline efficiency and gut the overhead of warehousing by having 80% of your inventory in transit at all times. They were just born luckier than you.>AmazonWhat was the name of your online bookstore that revolutionized online shopping and logistics? After your online retail store got so big that you needed to create your own web-hosting service, why do you suppose every other company didn't start using your web services?>his connections to governmentI imagine your spaceship company didn't get those government contracts because you're just not connected enough.>privileged backroom deals to buy stock at 20 centsWhat the fuck? He gets first crack at owning stock of companies he founds? This is outrageous!
Donkey face is right. You can't earn it. Setting up self-replicating sources of compounding interest isn't work. It's manipulation. People call it work to justify their unethical and immoral gains. The best use of getting a business degree was to learn how fraudulent the entire system is. It is based on exploits on consumers and competition with government over taxation.Inb4 "commie! Trump won! retards"
>>534964691How do those startups get started in the first place? The start up fairy?No the answer is real people, like me, build something worth investing in. I’m a foooonder who has raised and made millions of dollars, do you think I have access to backdoor kikery like that as someone who posts on 4chan regularly? No, I just build something worth investing in and conduct a logical transaction. Business is actually a lot easier and more straightforward than most people think because everyone wants to get rich, except for you it seems.
>>534965943Oh no, I get millions of dollars and can either retire or put that money towards starting another, bigger business!Seriously, what did >(You) think would happen? That Bill Gates comes i. with his goons and steals your company, like in the Simpsons? Are you fucking stupid?
>>534970344>All employers everywhere are unethical, people should just like get free money or they’re being exploited! I’d call you a retard but you already admitted to that when you said you got a business degree.
>>534968537Markus Persson and J. K. Rowling are the first that come to mind.
>>534965213>Everything I'm too stupid to understand is jewish cabala magic!
>>534970634I didn't say all of them were you fucking Jew loving retard. Did your faggot engineering or arts degree come with any English or Logic courses?Reading comprehension is very mid huh?
>>5349694071000 cashiers probably.Or 500 tradesmen probably.
>>534951809niggas stuck in they moms basement with no jobs be mad as fuck about this fr
>>534970817>lashing out because he wasn’t smart enough for STEM or talented enough for art>He’s still seething about it to this dayCalm down, Mr. DeVry University. >I didn't say all of them were you fucking Jew loving retardYeah nah, you kind of did. Employees bring value to the business owner which is a form of interest, an addition of value he did not personally work for. It doesn’t really matter what you say, I know for a fact that your worldview boils down to “everyone should get free money and resources should flow like mana from heaven” because you are stupid, you are not talented, and you have never built anything worth anything in your life and never willAlso nice reddit/iphone spacing you fucking newfag brown monkey.
>>534951954>name one way you can accumulate 1 billion dollars without at some point stealing someones laboryou don't "steal" labor. You purchase it. I have to pay someone as much or more then the same job across the street. Or do you claim that employers are kidnapping the employees. If a guy across the street [pays a dollar an hour more, with the same work and working conditions... my employees flee like rats from a sinking ship. How is this labor being "stolen". Or do you think man's natural state should just be lazy and idle with everything provided for no effort. Primitive man, before civilization and all we have now. Primitive hunter gatherers worked an average of four hours a day around the year when you average it out. Longer some days and weeks and seasons, less or none other times. if you did no work of any kind, you died and it was your own fault. Question, did the natural environment "steal" those four hours a day off of primitive man? I can't imagine anyone stopping you if you go off into the wilderness, strip naked, and just run around like a caveman. Me, for instance, I wouldn't have to read your abject idiocy anymore if you did that so please go. If you want to work four hours a day I guess you could find a part time job and live in a drainage ditch tunnel nearby. That should approximate primitive man enough to suit you.
>>534951809True. Name one billionaire who did it without stealing wages from workers, without gambling in the stock market, without taking corporate technology and blocking people out.
>>534952031Why don't you want to pay workers fairly? Usecase for having 9 zeros after the number in your bank account?
>>534952158You can't make millions either retard. The only jobs that do are the ones like tech which require an even larger pool of unpaid employees to extract value from.
