>Communism is identical to late stage capitalism both a controlled economy statecorporation ran by a small elite while the prole "equally" own nothing. Its a trick by the bourg so petty bourg office faggots (average commie) and actual labour producing proletariaat (average conservative) speedrun towards LSC willingly. Only midwits get filtered by this simple truth
>>534953985The same is true btw for fascism, technocracy and globalism. Every single dialectic was deliberately thought off by the rich so whatever you pick you speedrun towards LSC. What goyim need is a dialectic or ideology made by and for the goy
>>534953985China is the closest thing to a fascist state that exists in the 21st century but communists are so retarded they will support literally anything decorated in red.
>>534954119hmm im listening but this better not be some hitler revival bullshit
>>534954257No. We essentially need a trustworthy white man who like kike marx writes a new dialectic for the ages. What this is i wouldnt know. However at the very least it should have a basis of Master Morality" with an inward ingroup based moral and empathy system. Preferably some better form of free market capitalism or something similar maybe but still with some sort of ban hammer if people become too powerfull. That said i wouldnt know the exact dialectic, and im happy to hear peoples input on whats a fair and universal dialectic without becoming LSC or woke postmodernist nonsense.
>>534954509Shit… but we have Marx and Engels atleast. Should they be uninspired by Marx and Engels? They kinda already covered all the bases.
>>534953985Isn't it kind of obvious that you're going to have a smaller authoritarian government the more industrialised a society is?
>>534954709From each ideologue take what works and remove what doesnt. Marx its critique of LSC for example is usable, his solution is a bourg trick and needs to be utterly discarded. In that same vein fascism has the right idea when it comes to ingroup empathy based morality instead of outgroup favoritism communists and liberals (because they hate their own family race and people) always demonstrate. Meaning is also something that misses for in these idelogues, how does society give the indivual meaning? In some sense the dialectic should support self-actualisation potential for majority of people. We can take that from Psychology dialectics like rogerian or jungian or absurdism or something along those lines.
>>534954899Apparently not because the average goy still speedruns towards it
Saying people own nothing under capitalism is one the most retarded things I've heard.
>>534955143People own plenty under capitalism, late stage capitalism is the very endpoint of capitalism according to commiekikes in which a single monopoly owns all. Normal free market capitalism works fine, perfect even, but overtime devolves into LSC, you could fix it all with for example a Purge, to reset capitalism. But capitalism x time does kind of become technocratic overlords who own everything, simply because of base hierarchal formation
>>534955073We are only products of our environment.
>>534955143>>534955276What even is capitalism? Every person has their own definitions. At least with communism is based off the communist manifesto.
>>534955345Exactly. So in some sense in our environment we are brainwashed by various dialectics or ideologues. -isms as Jung called them. So the goal should be to create the ultimate -ism that therefore alters peoples environment positively, once this was christianity a dialectic with a godhead, but with modernism that just doesnt fit anymore into most modern men.
>>534955440Capitalism in its most basic form simply means to trade freely, and to turn your labour (your work) into money so you can consume food etc. aswell as luxuries which through demand stimulates both that trade and that labour production. Its the natural way of the world. But overtime because some are better then others in acquiring resources it gets to a point where allot of people can hoard the money by controlling the trade the resources also called capital and wages. Anyways i am a capitalist i think its the best system but i dont deny that its flawed with today only 6 companies owning the majority of everything
>>534955449I think we have to fall before we can rise. People nowadays live in too much comfort. We won't be seeing any greatness any time soon.
>>534955440Commies don't have their own definition of communismThey literally have different ideas about them, that's why so many sects exist like Anarchists, Trots, Leftcoms, Stalinists etc>>534955440Commies call the US a capitalist hellscape so I'll accept their definition and attack that claim
>>534955695> Anyways i am a capitalist i think its the best system but i dont deny that its flawed with today only 6 companies owning the majority of everythingI mean, that's fine, and there are ways to address that like enforcing anti-trust law and increasing competitionThat's why Teddy Roosevelt didCommies are just stupid because they just want to burn everything to the ground and start from nothing
>>534955695But people have been trading and working for money for thousands of years? They also have been collecting taxes. They were even running debt and usury schemes too.People use Adam Smith as the god father of capitalism but, he never said the things they claim. He didn't even consider himself an economist. He warned of neoliberalism.
>>534955952Exactly, and thats my point if all the dialectics are jewed we should make a nonjewed one
>>534956112Correct but what we call capitalism today is only a term coined by commies to describe this natural way of life. Im just using it because today in modern sense its a good catchall term to immediatelly explain what i just did, im willing ofcourse to explain any term i use as thats only fair
>>534955854That's just different groups of people taking on different versions of an ideology. The ideology however, is still based off the communist manifesto. It's a bit like Christianity is based of the new testament. Capitalism on the other hand isn't based off anything.
>>534956206>this natural way of lifeDo we even have a natural way of life? Nature is natural but we build civilisation to protect ourselves from nature.
>>534956259>The ideology however, is still based off the communist manifesto.That's not necessarily true because communism, as an ideology, is older than Marx. He didn't even invent itHe spent most of the Manifesto and his life denouncing socialists and communists who had different definitions than him
>>534957473Like who? First time ever hearing this. Who were the communists before Karl Marx?
westoids cant face the fact that they were the anti-white tranny side during the cold war
>>534957669There's a book called, "To Overthrow the World: The Rise and Fall and Rise of Communism" by Sean McMeekin that traces the ideological roots of communism to early Christianity and some Greek philosophers like Plato and Zeno. The Republic was one the first texts of political philosophy that entertained a limited form of communism that Aristotle wrote several critiques of in his work, Politics. Even Seneca discussed it a bit.Marx and Engels originally became communists there were converted to communism by man named Robert Owens, who set up utopian co-operative and communal communities all over England. They thought his projects could be a solution the pauperism they saw in early capitalist, industrial society.
Marx and Engels worked for a newspaper called "A New Moral World" in their youth, which was an Owenite newspaper. That's what got them introduced to socialism.>". In 1842 in Cologne Engels met Karl Marx for thefirst time. Manchester nurtured Engel's radical political spirit. He joined the Chartists, the movement agitating for universal suffrage and workingmen's rights, published articles in the Owenite newspaper “The New Moral World”, and wrote "Outlines of a Critique of Political Economy," which Marx published in his new Paris-based journal, “Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher”. In 1844 he gathered material for a social history of England's working class, which became the “Condition of the WorkingClass in England” (first published in German in 1845), a descriptive work of English industrial lifethat amounted to an empirical indictment of capitalism's immorality. The following passage examines Manchester, a city whose population increase of seventy thousand between 1831 and 1841 produced deplorable living conditions for the city's poor."https://www.schule-bw.de/faecher-und-schularten/gesellschaftswissenschaftliche-und-philosophische-faecher/geschichte/unterrichtsmaterialien/sekundarstufe-II/19jahrhundert/modernisation/ab10f.pdfLenin also cites Owen as an influence, in his later works, despite having disagreements with them
