I was arguing with a socialist who said Scandinavia is the best place to live. He just cited the HDI index, I told him the HDI index is bullshit because it just lists a bunch of arbitrary metrics and ranks countries accordingly, even though in many cases countries are elevated in ways that should demote them.The socialist said "what's your source?"I told him I read through the HDI index and realized it was subjective, arbitrary, and biasedHe said "source?"I said my own reading comprehension ability and means for extrapolating information.He just said "not a source".Later I pointed out that Scandinavia has gun laws, seatbelt laws, anti-smoking laws, hate speech laws, mandatory feminist DEI laws, and a bunch of other stuff that restricts freedom, the leftist just said>They're higher on the freedom index so they're more freeI told him the freedom index was horseshit, he just said:>"Source?"
Well do you have any sources on that?
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>>535022686This is why the internet was a mistake. In the real world, the appropriate response would be to curbstomp that little faggot. Otherwise, just mock him. Retards are very susceptible to social pressure, because they aren't intelligent enough to form their own opinions.
>>535024347>isn't intelligent enough to express his point without violence You’re literally a nigger >>535022686KYS nigger
>>535022686>seatbelt laws>stuff that restricts freedomAre you be any chance a libertarian? >>535024347>Someone doesn’t agree with me, I must inflect violence upon them
>>535022686Source or none of this happened.
>>535024428>>535024538sometimes you cant fix stupid, you're doing the world a favor by taking the retards out of the gene pool.
>>535024538>Are you by any chance a LibertarianYes>>535024428>racial slursLiteral subhumanity
>>535022686despite you being a memenigger, i'll respond. the reason they do that is because they liken science to God and subsequently, they are not confident in their own experiences or opinions so they always defer to authority. this also happens with people who are just seeking to hear themselves talk and have people agree with them. if you said "gays are happier on average than straight people", i'm sure this person MIGHT let it slide and not say anything.
>>535024738There is an argument to be made that the same applies for people who are out of control with violence. >>535024781Figured
>>535024977i agree 100% but out of control violence and violence for the sake of the advancement of the human species are not the same.
>>535024538>Someone doesn’t agree with me, I must inflect violence upon themYeah. And? The time for argument is over.
>>535022686OP you are a pedo. Do I need proof or a source? No, according to your logic I don't I can just call you a pedo and it's true. This is how retarded you sound
>>535025079Inflicting violence just because they don't agree with you shows that you are out of control
>>535024841I think you might be correct.>>535025162Why is being a pedo bad??? You didn't provide a source on why being a pedo is bad, so I take it you must think being a pedo is ok or morally neutral.This is how stupid you sound.
>>535022686>can't attack the logic?>ask for source>attack the source! i just don't like the site you got your information from. that means i win!
>>535025452aka the /pol/ way of arguing
>>535022686Why do you think it's worth it to engage in debates with people who aren't debating in good faith
>>535025511pffft. that shit predates the internet by a long time.and 1% of your information came from bad criminal people. that also means i win!
>>535025364>>535024781>>535022686Hi sukhdeep. Keep pwning liberals
>>535025163No, it shows that we're tired of hitting our heads against the wall.
>>535022686Leftist pretending to be retarded exhibit number 473929194
>>535025755The solution is not to destroy the wall
>>535025364i've had a lot of arguments with such people and i wouldn't classify myself as conservative. it gets worse when you try to lead them along a path of reasoning until their brains break and then they just screech at you. mind you, even with a source, the same retard will tell you it's flawed, it's not peer-reviewed, it's DEBOOONKED. such people you cannot win with, they are seeking only to have their beliefs affirmed, not to genuinely enrich their understanding of the world.
>>535022686I don’t understandYou’re mad that you have to back up your claims and can’t?I think you’re the retard here. Surprisingly. Usually the libshit is the tard
>>535022686Maybe stop participating in dishonest arguments.The entire framework of leftism is moral elitism. It only applies to people who either benefit government support or have deep seeded self image issues. If they're a leftist arguing with you on the internet, they 100% are further left than the average Democrat and they have self image issues. They need to be morally superior to you because it helps them build enough self image to love themselves. They will absolutely not argue in good faith. You should be belittling and dismissing them while challenging their narrative.
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>>535022686why the fuck would you willingly talk to those fucking niggers? they are the most malleable and programmed people in the fucking world
>>535027084>indian
>>535022686>Scandinavia is the best place to liveNo one could possibly know that. You took the bait of a sophist. It's a problem of discipline. You're not stupid, but you lack discipline, so you take the bait. What you should do is think before responding to some faggot that spends time winning debates on the internet. That guy is a loser no matter how the debate goes.
>>535022686Tell them they're retarded. Leftoids really expect "muh heckin peer-reviewd source!" for every fucking statement which doesn't need one.
>>535024538>Someone doesn’t agree with me, I must inflect violence upon themCorrect. Do something about it.
>>535027689>wahhhhh everyone i don't like is a jeet!!!nigger, you sound just like those annoying sjws from yesteryear that call everyone they hate, hitler.
America isn’t free, you’re not free to criticize your jewish overlordsAmerica is a ZOG goycattle cattle ranch
>>535022686It’s hard to say simply because it’s very easy to get them to admit to massive corruption in governments and institutions but it’s hard to get them to apply that to institutions they like and trust. It’s a quagmire for certain
>>535022686In ten years you went from "Facts don't care about your feelings" to "Feelings matter more than fact" lol
>>535028025authorities don't determine facts
>>535027190If you aren't being unironic you're dumber than rocks.>Uusally the libshit is the tardProvide a source.
>>535022686This is why you just do and say what you want and retrain your NPOA (natural point of aim) to high chest and neck level. Might makes right
>>535028025>Asking for le source to if fish swims in the ocean is perfectly normalSmartest leftoid kek, you truly are NPC's
>>535024428>>535024538>t. Liberal retards that don't understand society is build on violence.There are countries were holocaust revisionism, aka truth telling, is illegal. Those governments use force, violence, to silence people and make society conform to their wishes. Society is maintained through violence. We used to have schoolyard bullies that beat up faggots and weirdos and kept those degenerate aspects of society in check at a young age. Now that governments have a monopoly on violence our societies are flooding with these perversities that wouldn't exist if violence was democratized.
>all the leftoid has to say to wind the rightoid up is SOURCE? INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED?Completely melts their argument every time
>>535022686Why even engage with them? Their entire worldview is rooted in the rejection of reality. You're wasting your time, anon.
I’ll take a serious shot at your problem. You could first point out that he’s asking you to make an appeal to an higher authority rather than your personal judgement. But what is the basis he would accept any source’s authority? Wouldn’t that take a personal judgment of his own? And what would stop someone from asking for a source, then a source for his source, then a source for his source, etc. Where does authority begin? No matter how far back you go you’re always ending up with some other human being’s personal judgment. Someone had to make the first judgment. And why trust that one?Of course this is an appeal to him to argue in good faith, which would only work if he was surrounded by people he was worried of looking stupid in front of. If he was surrounded by people who were on his side and just wanted to win the argument they’d all pretend to not understand the point and sidestep the questions
>>535022686>had apple juice>just farted>it fucking stinksleftist: source?jokes aside, the best answer is "what do you mean by "source""? now he needs to explain what he means by that
>>535022686You can go about this a lot of ways. If you're theologically minded, the guy OP dealt with is basically like one of the guys who worship the Golden Calf after Moses synchronizes lightning to the Law Tablets. That's actually what he did, btw.
>>535031481You need to learn nuance
>>535033072If you want to learn how to debate better, you should probably go to /his/ not /pol/.
>>535022686Tell them that you are transnormative and the sources are from dreams that coccured in your neurodivergent two spirit brain and therefore it is a lived experience and now a primary souce
>>535024347It’s satisfying as an imagined response to some Reddit leftist faggot being a faggot, but not really how we do things in the civilized world … by all means though, if they’re themselves spurred to violence against you, strike back in self-defense, if they decide to go full “Antifa” and try “bash the fascist chud Nazi” (you, if they’ve decided that), yeah, curbstomp em, but if it’s just a verbal debate, doesn’t work well lolThe charges ain’t worth itThis is, again, mentally satisfying, as an imagined response, but it represents the niggerfication of your mind if you take it too far and seriously act on it in real life unjustifiably.>im SUPERIAH because I can STOMP OUT YO MUTHAFUGGIN ASS FOR OFFENDING ME, WHITE BOY
>>535033268You need to learn to write.
>>535022686Criticize his operational definition of "best place to live"
>>535022686sounds like you're too stupid to be arguing with faggots. that's feeling of defeat is god's way of telling you to shut up because you're a retard
>>535033604What's wrong with the way I wrote that?
>>535022686Scandinavia is not socialist.They repeatedly tell socialists to stop calling them socialists. The things socialists want to do, like fucking wealth taxes, would be considered extremist in Scandinavia. American liberals are insane.
>>535033268/his/ is such absolute fucking garbage, because it’s like the worst of /pol/ combined with the worst of /lit/ - it’s where lots of /pol/people go, besides, i dunno, like “alt-left”/more edgy online leftists drawn to the chaos and offensiveness of 4chan but still fundamentally leftist (like Red Scare shit), and then also some bonafide shithead woke Redditors, to be pseudointellectuals.At least in /pol/ there’s not as much intellectual ego. I think you’re better off going to /lit/, they got their own problems, including some of us (/pol/chuds) honestly ruining parts of the board with shitty, barely-veiled political bait threads there similar to the shitty bait threads here (like the threads that are shitty even on here, which oldfags and better posters know are 1pbtid bait/shill trash), but it’s got smart wellread people there otherwise, and also if you’re a genuinely intelligent well-read chud who’s not shitposting TOO hard, they can accept and even praise you.
>>535022686you seem like a retarded far rightwhat is your source?
>>535033802>Scandinavia is not socialist.Yes they are>They repeatedly tell socialists to stop calling them socialists.Neo-Nazis repeatedly tell people to stop calling them Nazis>The things socialists want to do, like fucking wealth taxes, would be considered extremist in Scandinavia.Scandinavia literally does way more extreme things than that.You don't know anything.
>>535033886It’s a mixed or hybrid economy, part market capitalism and part socialist reforms (strong safety-net/welfare mechanisms); not fully socialist.As chuds love to bring up, it’s also on a smaller scale country, with a mostly tightly knit, culturally and ethnically homogenous high-trust society, which allows this quasi-socialism to flourish better.
>>535025163If someone slaps you, the conversation has already ended.That is not a matter of opinions.We as a civilized society must decide decisively that initiating a violent interaction is NEVER acceptable.The only way to do this is with extreme consequences. If everyone knows that striking another person is likely to end in death, then people will stop doing it.Nobody has an obligation to subject themself to being brutalized and humiliated just to preserve human life.The value of human life does not out outweigh the value of human suffering and social unrest.
OP is a schizo scammer brazilian goes by Breakroom or Lebanon/VieoHe's also spamming stupid Chud threads nonstop.
>>535028025It is fact that the Scandinavian economies are not socialist in the way you people would like and ending your post with "lol" just signifies you as a pretentious cunt.
>>535034156They are not Ancap, they have welfare, taxation, regulation, they are even more socialistic than the United States. Norway literally has a SWF where the government quite formally owns the means of production
>>535033886You are a liar, but thats par for a socialist.Your philosophy is so shit you can't convince people to embrace it on its merits you have to lie, cheat, steal and kill to implement it.You can never defend yourselves so you only ever attack and deflect.Your next post will prove me right.
>>535022686In truth you should actually prepare sources before entering a debate because having a stack of them means you can KO a debate early and leave the opponent fuming. If you don't have any, take like, a few minutes to go search one up, or go produce a graphic that demonstrates your point.On the flipside, he's engaging in an appeal to authority fallacy where he's treating hyperlinks as having a higher cognitive domain than a human being. Such bullshit is vulnerable to reductio ad absurdum tactics (find the most absurd source and keep it in your backpocket), ask them if the BBC had an article advising they go jump off a cliff, would they do it? [Replace with your most absurd article, such as 'go euthanize yourself if you're poor and autistic' or something].Alternatively, you can damage credibility of so-called "authoritative" sources directly by highlighting how they've gotten things wrong before (examples of active forms of deceit, E.G. BBC covering up the Gaza genocide, are more compelling than "passive" lies like the WMDs in Iraq), therefore you cannot mindlessly trust sources at face value. Articles and metrics and models are *not* peer-reviewed studies, and even peer-review is rife with corruption and fraud (see AI submitting nonsense papers scandal).This will force them to either acknowledge, actually you do need to exercise some level of common sense, or they're so braindead you'll convince them that actually they need to go MAID themselves in Canada because CBC told them to, either way a win.
You eventually develop an understanding that online debate is pointless because the only people that engage in it regularly are only doing so to escape their miserable lives offline. And yes, the default response to these little cunt monkeys is to curbstomp them.
>>535034692Move out of America then, you bash socialism while living in it and enjoying its fruits.
Just show them the footnotes
>>535035094Except the only enjoyable thing to do in the modern world, for anyone anywhere, is to debate online.There is no activity that fosters greater pleasure.
We're too fucking boring to warrant this shit. It works alright. There's highs and lows. Few of the lows have anything to do with the retarded ideology-brained shit in this thread.
>>535025089I don't know what's so hard to understand about this. War occurs when two value systems are opposed to one another and are irreconcilable. Law enforcement is the same. On a micro scale, if two people cannot agree on a pivotal value and can't get out of each other's way, violence eventually will occur.
>>535022686Why bother arguing with leftists? Start working on ways to gain power and wealth so you can kill them instead
>>535033470See>>535029127Your understanding of the world is a sign of your goyification. The time for arguments is over.
