I invite anons to calculate and suggest estimates for the lifespan of an AUTONOMOUS person.An autonomous person is a person fully equipped with all comforts and technologies (up to 1970-90s levels) and capable of reproducing these technologies in their own workshop.How much money does an autonomous person need to be completely (maximum degree) independent of the SYSTEM?----------------Suggest your calculations, but remember they must take into account the following:- Land (approximately 20 acres)- House- Full food supply (gardens, seeds, vegetables, fruits, greenhouses, crops, livestock)- Mobility (any means of transportation not dependent on fossil fuels)- Energy (mini-hydroelectric power plants, wind turbines, etc., energy transmission and storage methods)- Heating (geothermal, stove, etc.)- Water supply (extraction, filtration, accumulation)- clothing (growing fabrics, cotton, natural fibers, sewing machines)- Wood/metal/stone processing...for construction and finishing needs- processing of secondary plastics for subsequent use....and much more that simply won't fit in this post...------------------Your task is to build maximum autonomy life for the least amount of money... and name an approximate amount.
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I'm not doing your economics homework for you.
>>535026274If such assignments were given in schools and universities in economics...we wouldn't live in the world we live in now.This is clearly a non-systemic question.I'm trying to translate hypothetical thinking into theory...I have an ideology that needs adaptation...I could certainly use AI's help, I certainly will, but I'd still like to start with the human mind. I'm interested in what the anons will suggest.
Come on guys, I believe in you... What kind of amount is this supposed to be... TENS OF THOUSANDS? HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS? MILLIONS? BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
>>535026005>>535026776>>535026958>>>/x/
You can't be independent of the system without massive political and probably paramilitary assets.
>>535027068Is there anything paranormal about this topic?
>>535027110And if the system is small...It's not even a matter of hiding it.I'd like people to simply consider how much money is needed in the modern world for human autonomy, that's all. So that people can become autonomous once and for all in most things... in obtaining food, water, energy, construction, manufacturing clothing, furniture, and perhaps even electronics (there have been cases of people making chips in their garages using technological processes from the 1970s and 1980s).Whenever possible, using reverse engineering, we could recreate some technological processes to make our lives easier and not be dependent in the future, and also use 3D printers.
>>535027539$5,000,000
>>535026005It depends on the person some people do not do good having everything they need and prefer to be more impulsive. Theres a billion scifi movies and episodes of Twilight Zone and Outer limits and god knows how many books about the subject. Theres nothing more dystopian than a "perfect" society "Without order nothing exist, without chaos nothing evolves"
>>535027643Sounds like a reasonable amount.At one time, I calculated and received a sum from 2.5 to 3.7 million...taking into account inflation since the latest calculations...your estimate seems relevant.
>>535027918Just added some padding for inflation and edge costs, like if someone needs extra strong deodorant
>>535027858Can you guess in one try what nationality filmed all these "Twilight Zones"?The rulers of the existing system have no reason to breed ideas of autonomy... they are destructive to them... if a sheep escapes from the stall, it turns into a wild animal that brings no benefit to the "global farm system."
You'll never be independent of the system. When you're born you are made a slave by any other name to a sub system and controllers of that subsystem. This is without you knowing and sometimes without them knowing. There is no such thing as autonomy.
>>535026005You can have only a few thousand dollars and use your money to make money and live in a low cost of living country indefinitely
>>535027989I was thinking about the idea of building inside a club village, where 50% of the land is the property of the people, and 50% - roads/neutral dividing territories/forests/lakes/parks - is the property of the community, also divided into equal % shares between the participants.Thus, construction and foundation costs could be reduced severalfold, including bulk purchases of materials and resources, right down to logistics. If 50 people are building the structure at once, not just one, the costs would be significantly lower.Plus, some production and warehouse facilities could be set up on-site for even greater savings.
>>535028139I know, anon... I want autonomy to exist now... and not just as an idea in my head, or on paper... but in reality... and I'm actively moving towards it.
>>535028251It's more like an existence than a life... I know what a "Digital Nomad" is... or other versions of a rentier...I'm talking about autonomy. Building a foundation capable of providing a person with independence from the system, not only in the most basic matters, but also beyond...
impossible at the current level for more than a few years/decades. the technology supply chain is global.it is possible to be independent of the system at a lower level, of course, but at the same level? no. your computer chips are made in a 400$ million machine in the netherlands. the technology is proprietary, etc. the materials for these chips is mined from...? etc etc. etc.
>>535026005They commit suicide from boredom, next question.
>>535026005If you are smart and work hard, you can achieve total autonomy for approximately $250 USD
>>535029184whathow
>>535029184German brothels contain total autonomy for the soul?
>>535028915Modern chips are produced on equipment worth 400 million; I was talking about chips from the 80s and early 90s.
>>535029313>>535029424I meant 250k sorry
>>535029761my type
>>535026005To achieve maximum systemic independence, a single person requires an initial capital investment of $365,000. This strategy uses durable mechanical tools over modern digital electronics, allowing you to reproduce your own infrastructure.Cost & Infrastructure Breakdown>Land ($100k): 20 unrestricted rural acres with a high-gradient stream and mature hardwood timber.>Housing ($25k): Owner-built timber-frame or cordwood house using local wood, stone, portland cement, and metal roofing.>Workshop ($130k): Manual engine lathe, mill, drill press, coke-fired metal foundry, and water-driven sawmill. Allows recasting and machining of replacement parts.>Energy ($35k): Micro-hydro Pelton wheel and low-RPM wind turbine charging a 48V bank of long-lasting nickel-iron (Edison) batteries.>Thermal ($10k): Central masonry heater with a passive copper-pipe thermosiphon for hot water.>Water ($15k): Gravity-fed pipeline from an elevated stream loop through slow-sand and biochar filters into a 5,000-gallon concrete cistern.>Food ($20k): Heirloom seeds, two hoop houses, heritage livestock (cattle, hogs, poultry), and manual processing gear.>Textiles ($10k): Small flax/hemp plots, sheep flock, manual timber loom, and cast-iron treadle sewing machines.>Mobility ($15k): Working horses/oxen with a utility wagon, plus a 1980s mechanical diesel tractor modified to run on wood gas or straight vegetable oil.>Recycling ($5k): Mechanical plastic shredder and manual compression oven to reshape scrap HDPE into tool handles and waterproof seals.LifespanInfrastructure: Indefinite. The manual machine shop and casting foundry allow for self-repair and full reproduction of all mechanical wear parts.Human: 65–85 years. High physical labor preserves fitness but increases skeletal wear. Longevity relies heavily on stockpiled trauma gear and basic medical supplies.
