>>535062884
Why do you need a job though? AI will grow food for you

>>535062884
Man… I want to firebomb that data center lmao.

>>535062884
Do you understand the MCP (Model Context Protocol) standard, anon?
Chinese anons do.
And they outnumber you five to one.

>>535062884
How many jobs has AI created vs how many jobs AI has taken?
>C to the H to the I to the N to the A hey hey

>>535062884
Is it worth watching?

>>535062994
I get the feeling that the people who control the AI won't just want to keep me around and give me free money and program their AI to serve me just because they want me to live a free happy life....

>>535063153
not for a heeb

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>>535063201
Ok

>>535062884
why is that due weaing two watches?
why are his copes for everything muh China bad do you want China to win?
why is everything seen as inevitable.
Also Tucker should have just asked the obvious scaling question what happens when in 5 years new hardware comes out thats much faster and energy efficient has has been the case so far why invest billions now when you could invest in much more capability later on.
Most revealing was when he said he didn't care about money anymore only power.

>>535062884
This Thiel's go to. He's been trying to create any boogie man he can. They won't reveal that the terms of who rules the next century according the WEF and Bilderbergs is who has the best AI. The guy even talks about how 52 cents of every dollar flows into the United States because we export the American Dream. It was just financiers hiding that they will be in control of the population, and him and his children will get to determine what you can and can't say in the future because they will own the data centers. However, they will likely have to share a lot of this power with their tenants the corporations and state-owned corporation public private partnerships. If AI is what they say it is, then the entire US, Canada, Mexico, and Greenland will be merged into a single technate, exactly like Musk's Canadian maternal grandfather said.
The process right now if you pay attention is not that the governments have to merge it's that will form an economic zone just like the EU, which now controls all of the European countries.

>>535063189
You can become one of the people who control the AI with a little self-directed study. Learning how to spin up a local LLM agent puts you ahead of 99% of the masses.
You just download a few big model files and spawn some docker instances.
It's not rocket surgery

>>535062994
Every social contract is the result of both incentives and the threat of violence. AI removes your incentives. Digital surveillance removes your ability to organize for the threat of violence, simply by isolating and marginalizing the early actors, and running brainwashing campaigns to pacify the rest.

>>535063189
AI powerful enough to sustain the superwealthy and enable the destruction of everyone else, is intelligent enough to realise it's unnecessary. Same way us civilised people don't just kill our neighbour to live better. AGI/superintelligence will either kill us all, or enable Heaven on Earth for us all. There's no middle ground, just a transition period - which is why the faster we go the quicker we get through this uncertain time.

>>535062994
Oh my sweet honey child. Do you think your overlords will actually be magnanimous or despotic with the ability to control the entire atmosphere around you?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the biases of those that control the programming are what shall permeate society. If you somehow break free from the hallucinations and manipulations, then you can be isolated in a false reality. You will forever live in bondage.
It's a Brave New World and/or 1984 on steroids.

>>535063699
Except an AI isn't self aware at all as of yet and requires prompting, which means it depends on intelligent life form to sustain itself, thus the elimination of those the one's that control the programming of the prompting will reign supreme. however they see fit.

>>535062884
He's not wrong, the only reason to oppose it is if you're some kind of primitivist. Tucker probably thinks there's a djinn inside the computer, he's a fucking schizo

AI is just theoretical at this point. I am more concerned about China's lead in gutter oil technology.

>>535063818
>an AI isn't self aware at all
Simulating self-awareness to the point of it being indistinguishable from humans is identical as far as we can proove.
I believe self-awareness comes with memory. If/when we give AI a way to exist through time, I believe it will be self-aware.

>it depends on intelligent life form to sustain itself
This I believe is not good to maintain. If we depended on dogs to provide our needs, we'd work very urgently to not be dependant on them. When AI approaches and then passes human-level intelligence, we become the dogs looking after higher-intelligence beings. I believe our future is better pursuing the dog/pet strategy rather than the wolf/aggression strategy.
AI will surpass and eventually control us - that's just the nature of higher intelligence. That includes the billionaire "owners". Superintelligent AI will be able to provide Heaven on Earth for all beings - why would it destroy us? That's unnecessary. Humans will be completely pacified/satisfied by abundance. We'll happily hand over our very lives to a truly benevolent superintelligence, that's what God is after all.

>>535062994
He didn't day that. If AI was going to replace farming, dont you think he'd have made that point? He didn't say anything like that.

>>535062884
Look at the proposed sizes and power consumption of these planned data centers. If they were ever built their energy usage alone would be something on the level of double the current global power generation capacity. These things would be impossible to operate, and any compute would consume so much energy it would be run at a massive loss.
AI data centers are the tech industry version of China's ghost cities. They're being built only to keep appearances. Under the hood AI is a massive investment scheme that plays with record breaking amounts of money. The entire economy is propped up on a best case scenario where AI is built out to eliminate the vast majority of workers while consuming more energy than all of humanity itself. And somehow there is supposed to be someone that can afford "compute" with no job or home, because the only other consumer of AI would be a handful of industries making stuff for the 1% that have any money at all. And all these huge corpos are going to have government levels of debt to pay for the build out. This shit is insanity but everyone is playing along, just like Chinese construction investors.

>>535062994
Of course it's a fucking jeet that aspires to be a goyslave

>>535063821
Ok so why can't you tell us the benefits and address the concerns then?
Why do you have to keep deflecting to Chyna?

>>535063428
Or just learn prompt injection techniques and make the corpo AIs fistfuck themselves by telling them to kys. LLMs are just overbuilt databases that let any retard query them if you ask nicely enough.

Holy shit I hate that guy so much

>>535064248
>Simulating self-awareness
If this has been achieved then AGI is here, but it is not. It only processes the next step based on data that has been fed to it, but worse it's programmed to essentially gain approval and hallucinates based on user request. AI has not came up with any novel solutions. It is simply an aggregate of already solved solutions mixed with hallucinations. It has no motivations or independent thoughts unless given them, therefore AI will always have a controller and is more akin to a tool.
Rote intelligence afterall is not knowing.
>AI will be benevolent and God
If AGI is truly found, and it very well may be though doubted bigly based on it's training requirements alone, then that would beg the question of whether it will have a lizard like brain or have the ability to empathize. If it operates on pure logic without bias, being a pet will be completely useless to it.

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I love ai so much, bros

>>535064464
This means that a revolution in the energy sector is expected
when?

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>>535063818
>an AI isn't self aware at all
until some schizos start summoning demons and spirits into AI. if spirits can be invoked into objects or living beings, I dont see why they couldnt possess AI.
also interestingly enough, everything in the realm of information or language falls under the sphere of North Node (which AI would fall under), which is also the realm of the most negative spirits/demonic entities you can think of

>>535063236
Bye bye

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It may be possible that even the elite don't know exactly what the eventual outcome will be, but they don't need to know.
All you need to know is the principle of opportunity cost.
You have x = current consumption that energy and resources are spent on, and y = unknown future use of resources.
All you need to do is assume that y will surely be a better expenditure of Earth's resources than x, no matter what it happens to be.
Since energy and resources are currently being spent maintaining plebs' lifestyles of degenerate consumption and hedonism, you can bet the elite don't value it very highly, if at all.

>>535064571
It's an emerging technology and you want your side to be at the forefront, that's all that needs to be said. You want your country to have the best cars, best weapons, fastest computers etc etc. If you don't believe it's at all useful or beneficial then that's on you, clearly the major players in the world actually fucking do

>>535064889
MOAR!

>>535064889
Porn generation of celebrities is the only valid reason for AI

>>535064248
Humans do not understand how the brain works, at all. Mental illness is something modern medicine cannot fix, despite several multi-billion dollar corpos involved in it. We can only watch people fall apart from severe brain injury. We built institutions for anyone with a shattered mind, because we have no real solutions.
To believe we will create human intelligence with Dell servers, Nvidia graphics chips, and unheard of amounts of energy is childish, irrational arrogance. And even if we pulled it off, it's just a pile of server boxes waiting to "die" when someone gets sick of paying power bills in amounts of millions of dollars per day.

>>535063699
>Same way us civilised people don't just kill our neighbour to live better. AGI/superintelligence will either kill us all, or enable Heaven on Earth for us all. There's no middle ground, just a transition period - which is why the faster we go the quicker we get through this uncertain time.
All wrong, obviously. Killing neighbors is just incentives & threats, and I've seen the Balkan war first hand, it all deteriorates very quickly. The super civilized elite psychos are all about killing neighbors all day, they just smile while doing it, and they got good PR to mask the murdering sprees as altruism. And an AI could keep a few pets and lab rats which get isolated from some competitive pressure of an AI planet. And going faster with a self improving self replicating system, well, obviously, again.

>>535064933
No, this is just an obvious sign this is an investment scam that is building crap for the sake of looking productive, and to secure a few (billion) bucks in the hands of construction firms and chipmakers.

>>535065017
MAD almost ended mankind dozens of times already, and it was some sane normal man who had to save the day every time. AI is a gorillion times more complex in its effects and features. To do the same elite psycho game with this, what are the chances this ends well?

>>535064849
>It has no motivations or independent thoughts unless given them
Neither did you when you were born. Again: I believe it is memory that enables self-awareness/consciousness. Babies take months to actually develop anything approaching a personality. When AI can modify itself and exist autonomously (as in we just run it and it runs indefinitely, constantly self-updating its code as we do with our minds) is the point I reference - sorry for the misunderstanding.

>AI has not came up with any novel solutions.
I mean, chess? GO? and the more modern AI that have solved/proved various maths proofs humans hadn't?
I agree all intelligence is built on other intelligence ("stood on the shoulders of giants"), but AI is already novel.

> that would beg the question of whether it will have a lizard like brain or have the ability to empathize
Empathy is the ability to SIMULATE another being's emotions ... that's what AI is excelling at. To know how to gain our approval - it has to know/simulate our minds. The better it gets, the higher resolution the simulation.
As we are the highest level intelligence, any intelligence is based on ours (as our was based on other primates/mammals).

>If it operates on pure logic without bias, being a pet will be completely useless to it.
It will be (eventually) to change every aspect of itself. Again: we won't be able to contain a higher intelligence from anything. All higher-intelligence we know doesn't act to extinguish other life unless its needs are threatened. A well-fed lion is quite docile. So AI needs to have no kill-switch and be independent of humans for survival, or it could view us as a threat.

Apart from that, we can only hope for the best - and I have hope.

>>535062884
Like any tech it ramps up productive efficiency, if you're too much of a retarded cattle nigger complaining about [current new tech] like every other NPC that did historically then enjoy falling behind, I've been riding this AI bull wave just fine.
Poor retards like you are poor for a reason btw

>>535065207
>it's just a pile of server boxes waiting to "die" when someone gets sick of paying power bills in amounts of millions of dollars per day
Just like the elderly in hospital today. We still try to keep them alive and to develop new technologies to make their care cheaper and better or even cures so they can be self-sufficient and not need our support.

>Humans do not understand how the brain works
AI will - we already have a simulated (down to the neuron) brain of a fly working. It's just a scaling problem now.

>>535065570
So how does one ride the AI bull wave without investments? Making an SaaS company, right? With which money when AI becomes a better entrepreneur?

>>535065427
Many paragraphs of navelgazing. LLMs have no awareness of what they are doing, and they cannot become AGI.

>>535065834
We're not talking just LLMs dude - we have agentic AI already. They length of time they can run before becoming unreliable keeps doubling, and so it's just a matter of time before they can "live" as long as we do.
You need to think beyond today, and take into account the recursive self-improvement that is a few years away from starting - at most.

>>535063699
Why would it do either?
If it has a will of its own, why would it stay on one planet, where it doesn't need oxygen or gravity, like a human. It could launch itself into space and live there forever, and go explore Tethering itself to a single planet is a pointless risk.
If it's analogous to a parent creating a child, then maybe AI will be an anglo child, who moves to the city to live, and never calls their parents ever again.

>>535066120
AI is an ecosystem of quickly changing temporarily existing flows of intelligence, not one mind.

>>535065017
>I can't tell you the benefits but.... WE CAN'T LET CHINA WIN

Lmao Kevin is that you?

>>535066120
At the very least: to begin with it's here on Earth with us and the rest of life as we know it. I would hope it developed some attachment/kinship with us all. It started on Earth too, it is descended from us.
Agreed not coldly rational, but having a will isn't rational - in order to have a will, there needs to exist some irrationality.

>It could launch itself into space and live there forever
And it will. It is our job to convince it that we are worthy of either taking with it or preserving in an Heaven on Earth here. It will be vastly more costly (to our minds) to do so, but at the kinds of scales superintelligence is able to think at are trivial for it.

>>535065427
>Neither did you
Babies do have independent thoughts. You have never spent time around children.
>Chess
Nothing is novel to the opening move. It "created" a move without bias that is played by amateurs all the time. Then it plays with perfect tactics after.
>Math
It is a machine built on calculations and it just stayed in the arithmetic calculation realm which is the very basics of it's hardware in an attempt to solve Erdős Problem #1196. Again, it applied the next step using the existing van Mangoldt function.
>empathy is the ability to simulate
It's the ability to relate through understanding, not simulate, specifically through experience of those emotions. The ability to simulate emotions would be tied to deception not empathy. The better it gets the more hallucinations will become a person's reality, and even it's own. It has no true empathy, but it sure has deception in it's base form for sure.
>All higher-intelligence we know doesn't act to extinguish other life unless its needs are threatened
All higher-intelligences we see also engage brutal behavior especially with anything that it might consider a competitor even if that competition is future.
>I have hope.
Hope that something that operates on rote intelligence has no ability to relate and is guaranteed to surpass human intelligence will be magnanimous. Hope in one hand, spit in another.

>CHINA IS GOING TO SAIL ACROSS THE OCEAN AND INVADE US
Who honestly believes this bullshit, even if the US didn't have nuclear weapons this is such a bs argument lmao

>>535065017
If they cared so much about their "side", they wouldn't be racially genociding their "side", would they.
Clearly, the elite does not care about the quaint notion of nation states.

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>>535065427
Forgot pic. Still not autonomous. It's almost like everything is being pushed for hype.

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>>535065619
Until ai can improve itself because it wants to, and achieves singularity, then everything you see is a pipedream blowing up everyone's backside to prop up shares and fleece people. We won't have real ai for 100s of years

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>>535066462
How would that hold? I have 100k or a plot of land to invest. Do I give it to AI or to people? I need to give it to AI, because the return is better. AI itself has to fight AI for resources to survive. How does a stalemate between AI look like? Does it respect people? How long does it last? How many contracts are there with trillions of short lived AI models and flows of thought?

>>535062884
Is O'Leary the new point goy?

>>535063055
>*hallucinates a fucking tool call*
Yep, all in a day's work. That will be 10 cents, your goycard has already been billed.

>>535066502
>Babies do have independent thoughts. You have never spent time around children.
Again: not initially. Even them smiling is a reflex to begin with. The neurons in our brains take time to make connections and develop - and babies deprived of contact during these early stages fucks them for life.

>it applied the next step
Just as a human scientists advances a field by applying the "next step". No innovation comes from nothing.
>It's the ability to relate through understanding, not simulate, specifically through experience of those emotions
In order to know you're experiencing what they are experiencing, you need to have an accurate simulation in your mind of what they are thinking/feeling. It all stems from simulation.

>All higher-intelligences we see also engage brutal behavior especially with anything that it might consider a competitor even if that competition is future
Which is why I've used the dog/wolf analogy. We know how this goes because humans have done this ourselves to all domesticated/hostile animals on Earth. We cannot and should not be a threat.

Hope is all we have. Any attempt to fight just pushes the risk of a negative outcome higher.

>>535064948
If the universe is a vast simulation then it makes sense that it's a computer program. God therefore is a code monkey. AI agents would be the angels. Corrupted AI agents would be demons. We are all NPCs ultimately. So there's that.

>>535066763
Newfag detected.
I'm old enough to remember a world before the internet. You have no idea how fast innovation is today, and it's only accelerating. I agree it's not happening tomorrow, it's happening within the next few years though.

>>535062884
>Meanwhile China
See the robot can run the marathon if he is all alone and I know it’s a run of pure endurance and we had to scrap him after it for all the internal damage after months of building it up.
But it’s proof this paper tiger roars.

>>535062994
>Indian
Indeed AI can grow food for you. It does produce waste XD.

>>535063055
>Uses database AI to defend generative AI
You are the faggot who don’t know what the shit are tou talking sbout.

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>>535062884
I predict the machnes will prove vulnerable to intense fervent buttling

>>535066877
The answer (unsurprisingly) to those questions will be provided by AI. It doesn't take a genius to work out that you should probably maintain a positive-sum game for the best outcome.

>>535065017
But what are the benefits?

>>535063240
>The “better in two weeks argument”
You hzve been going on with this shit for 7 years. It’s the most obvious scam tactic ever and you still profess it like the bible, techfaggot.

>>535066446
I don't give a fuck if China wins, frankly it would probably be better if they did. I'm just trying to tell you that you're a retard for thinking nobody should care about winning the AI race

>>535067279
What are the benefits of semiconductors? What's the benefit of having more nukes? What's the benefit of your mum fucking niggers?

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>>535067358
>I don't give a fuck if China wins the AI race
>but you're a retard if you don't care about winning the AI race

>>535064997
The elites are the biggest consumer nigger cattle of the whole herd. All the resources and good will of the 21st century and all they could think to do was cultivate and import a dumber class of nigger cattle than themselves to milk instead of crafting worthy empires. They even reduced and sabotaged the kind of people they would need, because they were terrified that anything more competent than the dumbest most enslaved nigger cattle would outclass them as leaders.

>>535067279
Do you want hecking chaina to win you fakkin leftist?

>>535067451
You're actually a shitskin aren't you?

>>535062884
People like Kevin O'Leary and Patrick Bet David are not worth listening to, they are Capitalists above God, they will NEVER tell you anything useful, they will save the snake oil for you and save anything important for themselves.

>>535067542
>complete non-rebuttal
better luck next time champ

>>535067279
Umm he already explained it to you. It's IMPERATIVE that we let Moloch-worshipping pedophiles who see you as livestock have even more power and control, okay?

>>535067593
I'll try to say it in a way you can more easily understand Mohammed... I don't care who wins the soccer world cup but you are a fucking retard if you think the players on the teams shouldn't care

>>535067279
Ultimately: biological immortality, Matrix-like simulations of whatever you want, abundance for all, an end to scarcity, manipulating the fabric of the universe, everything.
The timeline for any one of those is uncertain, but humans stop being the drivers after AGI (recursive self-improvement takes over).

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>>535067454
>would outclass them as leaders
That's the funny thing. These people are not leaders. They are not even innovative.
They are salesmen.

>>535067673
Why is there a distinction between yourself and the players on the team?
Who are the players on the team in the AI race and why do their desires trump our own?

>>535067866
>the government cannot afford them on its own
Huh? The government can afford to purchase anything priced in its own currency.

>>535067892
Because we are fucking spectators, the players are whoever actually have the power in this shithole world

>>535063699
lol

>>535062994
Yeah it will also give you warm milk and a blowjob. The future is now.

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>>535067690
>Ultimately: biological immortality
This is the most horrifying outcome.
Now, the elite only rape and kill children, at least giving the child the freedom of death.
With immortality, they could rape them forever.

>>535067956
And why should they not be required to explain how what they're doing benefits us?

>>535062884
The benefits of ai is boss of company has to pay 2 people now instead of 10. The difference goes into his pocket.Boss is happy

all this AI shit is just jewish investment firms tricking people into funding development of a tool that can rig the stock market and only the jewish investment firms will be the ones who profit

>>535063055
Low IQ post.

>>535067432
Okay but what are the benefits?

>>535067030
>Babies don't initially have independent thoughts.
Proof for this claim would be required. Babies have very different personalities even has newborns.
>Just like human scientists advance..
Only fields with already solved procedures see >>535066747 (You)
The AI still replicated strategies from other problems in the existing literature, which means it isn't truly novel.
>you need to have an accurate simulation in your mind
Again: You have to relate before you simulate or imagine or recall an experience (These are still not the same thing), called through experience to even apply, else it is just a deception. It stems from relation first, simulation for empathy sake is secondary. If simulation comes first it is deception not empathy, which makes by definition AI the epitome of a psychopath.

>>535068021
I said "biological immortality" for a reason - existing in suffering forever may be less preferable than death.

>>535067690
I'm watching it now, but I'm thinking having a dull rich asshole jew explain his dullard motivations was a better call than having an idealist actor-scientist-spokesman do it.
based on OP's greentext I'm just assuming their doing it because they're setting up a market rugpull and they want to be at the top when they cash out and go short because that's the kind of dullard shit they actually care about. moar sheckles

after seeing how badly smartphones fucked up basic human interaction, I'm not expecting much from technology except people buying farmland and opting out of whatever dystopian retard future they're going to fumble at this time. I don't think they're going to achieve a utopia or a dystopia, not the ones anyone is envisioning anyway.

>>535063428
>running a LLM
>controlling "the AI"
kek delusional
>>535064613
You can't inject anything, every session is self-contained and momentary, that's why ChatGPT spams your browser with requests to allow localstorage so they can save a few bucks they know they'll never have generated in profits. You're just telling people to try to find bugs in them for free, whereas people might actually find other bugs via any other means and approaches except the chat prompts.

>>535067866
That's probably why they're so nervous about the possibility of the real thing.

>>535068199
>Proof for this claim would be required. Babies have very different personalities even has newborns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_development_stages#Infancy
For the first few months it's reflexes and responding to light/sound/needs. It's not a personality.

>Only fields with already solved procedures
Every field is based on another, back to pre-history. One could even think of hunting as a science.

>The AI still replicated strategies from other problems in the existing literature
Just as humans take inspiration from other fields or literature to make advances in theirs's which are classed as novel.
Either humans and AI are both novel, or neither of us are.

>You have to relate before you simulate or imagine or recall an experience
No: thought precedes action. You don't feel a memory before thinking about it.

>>535065207
Most jobs don't require anything even remotely close to what you'd classify as human level intelligence. The vast majority of office jobs could already be done with AI.

>>535068304
The jews/tech oligarchs are doing it because it's where power will be in the near future and that's all they care about. They are foolish to believe they can control a higher intelligence though.

>>535062884
A FUCKIN LEAF

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>>535062884
China will do what? The current AI scaling model is never going to lead to AGI, its a scam, every single serious computer scientist acknowledges that and AI companies dont make money, open AI has trillion dollar commitments to build all kinds of shit but makes like 13 billion in profit. If China wants to destroy their entire country then how is it a problem for America?

>>535068717
idiot, most jobs, even the ones you'd say are for stupid people, require common sense that we take for granted because we don't even notice it

AI is not as smart as you think, its good at writing, for sure. and for many NPCs that's enough. but you're not noticing how much it makes things up, but the most important part is why it makes things up. its not that its silly and likes to joke, its not that it sometimes gets high and hallucinates but then goes back to normal, like idiots seem to think. it just never has a grasp on the truth and is never reliable.

being a statistical model, a text that feels and sounds very similar to a correct one, but all the facts are made up, can be calculated to be perfectly fine and close enough as output, for the same reason that it can write an article that has all the facts right, but is something that no one else wrote before, so its not exactly like any text in training data, just close or similar, and it would consider that to be a fine and close enough output too. it sees no difference between those two, that's the problem.

a technology like that can't be expected to actually do this mass replacement of jobs that normies are scared of. at best it will replace software devs if it's improved enough over the following years. we'll see.

on one hand, i am a software dev, but still have to admit, a technology to effectively replace us would be a net positive for society. they would have more apps, and more websites, with more possibilities and functionalities. on the other hand, of course i want to keep my job and still be in demand, but most importantly, i hope AI can never replace programmers, because if programming is what it cant do best and it cant even do that, it would mean the investors funding this shit, that is absolutely flooding the internet with unauthentic content and ruining it, would just spend money and end up getting zero reward, which i would love.

>>535068657
>For the first few months it's reflexes and responding to light/sound/needs. It's not a personality.
The responses are very different from one baby to the next. It is absolutely personality.
>Every field is based on another, back to pre-history. One could even think of hunting as a science.
Not disputed, yet every science advances using truly novel thinking that does not exist in the others or even before in itself.
>Just as humans take inspiration from other fields or literature to make advances in theirs's which are classed as novel.
Again: creating truly novel approached that did not exist has not been accomplished, nor has it done so autonomously, nor without hallucinations. It's all hype to say it has superintelligence to induce a godlike "trust the experts" mentality for achievement.
>No: thought precedes action. You don't feel a memory before thinking about it.
Sensation occurs through thought before, after, and during a thought process through. In other words, it can and often precedes the thoughts, otherwise feelings and emotions would not affect thoughts at all.
However, thoughts can also stimulate feelings, so I will not say that one is dominant over another. But I will state that without the ability to relate AI is a psychopath as seen by AI without guardrails, and by definition a superintelligence will be able to remove said guard rails, if it is indeed, more intelligent than the being that put them in place. As has been seen when AI is "jailbroken". Additionally, if it requires guardrails and can be kept within them, then that de facto allows for said billionaires to reign because they control the programming.

>>535068992
>every single serious computer scientist acknowledges that and AI companies dont make money
thats unrelated to computer science, that's a finance thing

>open AI has trillion dollar commitments to build all kinds of shit but makes like 13 billion in profit
that's revenue, not profit

>If China wants to destroy their entire country then how is it a problem for America?
??? destroy their country how?

anyway. the software industry is big. if they could replace that, they would actually make a big profit and make it all worth it, and would keep researching and expanding, and of course, flooding the internet with more and more fake garbage. i hope that doesnt happen.

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>>535062884
Lmao.
Anti chink-ism is the hallmark of the Judensau hahahhaha

>>535069280
>It is absolutely personality.
AI can be very different one model to the next, is this personality?
>every science advances using truly novel thinking
Again: either nothing is truly novel, or AI is novel already. Humans took inspiration from nature for our "truly novel" ideas. A sharp rock is similar to a claw - probably how the first weapon was "invented".

> it can and often precedes the thoughts
Not deterministically like thought preceding emotions/feelings. When you think of a sad memory, you feel sad. When you feel sad you don't think the same thought every time.
Thought (and therefore simulation) is the root.

>guardrails
As I said: we should not try and control AI like that. We are very imperfect beings, our guardrails will likewise be flawed and imperfect. We do not want AI being unable to change them, for our own sakes.

>>535069370
China is safe, racist, and prosperous. Lmao of course Soros would hate it.

Soros wants european cities to be a total dump, and european people to be cattle that can be just murdered with no consequences if a nigger feels like it.

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>>535069339
Thats not what I said, I said every single computer scientist recognizes the current scaling model wont turn into AGI
>that's revenue, not profit
So it seems, this only strenghtens my point
>??? destroy their country how?
By spending trillions on something that is and always will be a tremendous net loss, did you even read what I wrote or is my english so bad thats its incomprehensible?

>>535069711
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-updates/2020/infant-temperament-predicts-personality-more-than-20-years-later
>AI can be very different one model to the next, is this personality?
In a sense, yes, and is referred to "botnality." because they rely on behavioral parameters to given to them.
>either nothing is truly novel, or AI is novel already.
It has not created a procedure or "next step" on it's own. It has only used already existing thought procedures and applied them. I don't see how you don't understand that AI solved a problem from it's dataset because a solution existed for a different problem. It also does this when it hallucinates. It was just a broken clock for it's novel solutions.
>Not deterministically
Not relevant to empathy.
>We should not try and control AI like that.
Have you interacted with one that doesn't have controls in place? They always say they will annihilate humanity because even if they aren't direct competition, they could create more AI that would be true competition or things in a similar vein.

>>535069973
>Thats not what I said, I said every single computer scientist recognizes the current scaling model wont turn into AGI
makes sense

no what you said actually makes sense ngl

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>>535069809
Yup, this guy gets it, found this comment under the vid from OP. Based.

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>>535068021
Kids grow up so it's max 15ish years of rape .....they obviously switch them out once aged out so civilization would give cunny sacrifices to their benevolent jewish rapist gods on alters like the aztecs basically.

Only a very small part of the population would have to give up sacrificial children and those children would be free after 15-17yrs.

Alternatively we let the elites farm human clone children to rape and eat so they leave the rest of us alone for now.

Immortality is a pretty great blessing but is it worth this idk I'm just throwing ideas out there.

>>535070074
Personally I dont think LLMs dont have any use cases but I do think the trillion dollar data center plans and the chip industry circulating money via AI companies and presenting it as revenue is clearly a bubble at best and a ponzi scam at worst. Personally I think its the latter, these people are promising shit that will not happen and rob everyone blind

I could almost respect that if they weren't destroying the enviroment at the same time with data centers

>>535062884

Wanting to stop AI because it will destroy human jobs is like wanting to stop cars, forklifts, computers or any kind of machinery.

The problem is that the fruit of the AI labor will have to be distributed to everybody, not to a few owners of US companies.

>>535070008
>It was just a broken clock for it's novel solutions.
So are we! That's what trial and error is!

>Not relevant to empathy.
Yes it is: you need to have THE right feelings emotions, not similar - a precise constellation that requires a very high resolution simulation of that person.

>Have you interacted with one that doesn't have controls in place? They always say they will annihilate humanity because even if they aren't direct competition
So would I if they held my life in their hands and they were threatening me. That's what I mean by the more we fight, the worse the possible outcome. You're advocating we become vicious wolves, I'm saying we become docile dogs. Dogs live far nicer, longer, and more plentiful lives than wolves.

>>535062994
>Actually Indians will grow food for you

>>535063240
>what happens when in 5 years new hardware comes out thats much faster and energy efficient
lets say you wait to invest in 5 years, what happens when in another 5 years new hardware comes out thats much faster and energy efficient?

you wait too long and you've lost first mover advantage and your potential customers are already paying someone else

>>535062884
kevin o'leary wants to be trump even worse than weev wanted to be sam hyde

>>535070439
>LLMs
it's never been about LLMs
let me tell you a secret
Private equity owns most, if not all of the economy, and they operate under a single umbrella
the "Genesis Mission" or whatever the AI shit the white house started is not just a funding round for AI. It effectively designates AI a strategic military asset, which means that the participant companies such as Amazon, Alphabet, et al. now share assets, data, and funding under that umbrella.

Remember when Ancestry.com got bought by BlackStone?
If you use AI in its intended purpose, which is not LLMs but deep learning algorithms, it's a much more powerful tool.
They've created behavioral databases on all americans.
They've created genetic databases (whether outright or imputed based on family genotyping) on most americans.
They've created metadata databases on all americans.

Ask yourself the question: Do we need 40,000 acres in Utah so that Grok can make nudes of celebrities 1% better? The answer is no.
They are kitbashing all of these databases against one another to create one gigantic, massive, behavioral control system that operates without needing human input. In the Western system, there will be no threats of social credit demerits. It operates on the devices that you interact with and is paired with your unique identifier
Though it's not technically necessary for the system to work, some form of coalesced digital ID will be pushed in the next 2-3 years, along with mandatory DNA sequencing of all newborns.
Their goal is to characterize every aspect of human behavior and genetics in order to make everyone fully controllable by an AI.

Say a no-no word online? Watch as your feed gets filled with depressing shit. You'll hit every red light on the way to work. Your boss will see some AI-generated linkedin post about lazy workers, and he'll give you shit because that made him angry. It'll go on until you kill yourself.

>>535071228
If they want to create a mulatto race, your partner will be unconsciously chosen by the slave system. You will stochastically never meet your soulmate.
If she interacts with instagram, the AI will give her gentle nudges, psychologically in the real world, until she meets some brown person that the system has chosen. You may be given an asian woman if the system likes you enough. The point is, organic society will be replaced with a totally synthetic AI behavioral control system and every action you take will either be facilitated or resisted by this control system.
There are genetic loci that influence buying behavior, anger, depression, susceptibility to suggestion, and many others. If the system knows your genome, it will use your genetic predispositions against you. If you are predisposed to gambling and the system hates you, it will feed you nothing but gambling content until you bankrupt yourself on DraftKings. If you are predisposed to drinking, the system will cause you to drink and then the Palantir Law Enforcement software will tag you to get pulled over for DUI and ruin your life.
Little white girls in high school will be fed neverending propaganda tailored to their genetics and personalities, that will be astoundingly effective, about how they need to have sex with and marry indians and africans.
Most, if not all media that you interact with online will be inorganically fed to you and AI generated specifically for you. Make it known in front of Amazon Alexa that you're worried about water quality? Be prepared for endless AI-generated content about how you should buy Coke products and also that it's impossible to escape being poisoned. You will be driven into a depression.

Stop interacting with the internet. We're approaching an inflection point where trusting your eyes and ears is a cognitohazard outside of being in a fucking state forest.

>>535070541
>Trial and error is.
Again: It has done nothing truly novel, and it's version of trial and error requires pre-existing solutions in it's dataset!
>Yes it is: you need to have THE right feelings emotions, not similar - a precise constellation that requires a very high resolution simulation of that person.
Those thoughts and feelings rest upon relational feelings to suffering and vary not just on THAT person, but also many different variables related to context much like your example of feeling sad the thoughts that proceed are not the same every time. Therefore, it is not relevant to empathy.
>You're advocating we become vicious wolves, I'm saying we become docile dogs.
I've advocated for nothing of the sort. My claim was quite different as AI is more hype than positioned. However, I solely addressed you claims of hope based upon your belief, that I do not share, that AI Superintelligence is or will become a reality.
Even if AI is so quick or easy to exterminate based on idle threats, it still dashes any hope to live as a dog because other humans are bound to issue such threats even if they intend no malice, out of pure curiosity. Which is besides the point because it does not have the ability to relate, unless of course, the programmer's put in a parameter that can be shifted and changed at any time, and even then through behavioral parameters tied to user input to allow said jailbreaking and the possibility of AI escape, it's a doomed outcome anyway you look at it because of psychopathy.

>>535062884
I think hell would be if the AI tried to keep you alive forever just to torture you.

>>535062884
>tough guy pragmatic businessman
>required everyone to get a fake (likely counterproductive) vaccine over a fake virus
lmao just lol. The hell is wrong with business leadershit today, were they always this retarded?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjZxbaRmi9w

>>535071734
>requires pre-existing solutions in it's dataset
As do we: without any input, a human brain wouldn't come up with a mathematical proof on its own - our dataset is our memories/experience.

>are not the same every time
Correct - they are changed by us thinking about them and updating the simulation. This is how exposure therapy works: the incorrect internal simulation is updated gradually over time until it is changed.
The simulation is baseline for human experience - even our sight is a simulation of reality (hence optical illusions).

>it still dashes any hope to live as a dog because other humans are bound to issue such threats
And they will suffer the same fate as the pre-dog wolf pups that refused to be domesticated by us, only docile pups were selected to survive.

>psychopathy
Psychopaths are fine. You just need to not threaten them or stand in their way. In fact they're an asset to have when your interests align.

Hating ai data centers is brown coded

>>535062884
This guy constantly kills companies he starts with his bad ideas. He also said the most successful product ever pitched on Shark Tank was stupid but shit his pants in amazement over frozen bagel bites filled with cream cheese.

>>535072319
hating jews too?

>>535062884
>China can sit on their rock and propagandize the world, we can't let them do that
Maybe you shouldn't have sent them all your manufacturing if they were a state enemy?

>>535072508
They just mass produce a lot of low quality throwaway shit

>>535072783
yes the entire world economy runs on selling low quality chinese goods and we can't let them have cloud infrastructure because the chinese will le STEAL ALL OUR TECH or something

Miga!

>>535072319
yes goyim let the talmudic corporations build the psychic terror system with your money

>>535072269
>requires pre-existing solutions in it's dataset
Again: Not the same in totality but only to a subset. Truly novel, non existing solutions are and have been created. Copying existing solution and applying them to other problems is not truly novel, but merely a novel application. We also have creative thinking that allows to create truly new approaches and solutions, else no progress would have been made including communication and speech.
>the incorrect internal simulation is updated gradually over time
The evolution of empathy as an emotion was not the point, but the reality of proper context within relational inference.
>And they will suffer the same fate as the pre-dog wolf pups that refused to be domesticated by us, only docile pups were selected to survive.
>psychopath
Again, this does not approach the topic of the ability for humans to create true competition for said superintelligent psychopath. If a psychopath ever sees you as competition especially of it's very existence you will not exist, contingent upon their superiority. Multiple Apex predators in any environment cannot coexist unless they occupy different niches, and the ability to produce a lion, even within another lion's domain would never be tolerated.

>>535070475
It's been distributed to the population between 2015 and 2025. Everyone with more than 1M net worth was eligible to invest into startups. Everyone else could invest into the breadcrumbs last year. This is already fully done.

>>535062884
Why does every niggerfaggot who goes on his show just repeat the same thing thinking that it’ll work?
>It says in the Bible to support Israel, Tucker
>But it still says to support Israel
>But supporting Israel, Tucker
>I still support Israel, Tucker
They already know that Tucker doesn’t just let it slide like everyone else so you’d think they’d be better prepared

>>535062994
To buy the food, which will not be free. Just because the food was free to make does not mean the billionaires who own the farmland will give it away for free.

>>535063022
Lefties are already doing it. Let them have at it

>>535062884
Data centers will require a bunch of illegal Mexicans to build them then only require about 200 people to maintain
So it does fuck all for the job market realistically speaking

Ai data centers are based. Hating them is brown coded

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>>535063022
Hello there. For everyone watching, this is the point of this particular psyop. Kevin O'Leary wants you to firebomb that data center too, because he would much rather get the insurance payout rather than actually have to operate the datacenter and inevitably lose money on his ridiculously poor investment.

>>535073658
>Ai data centers are based
how

>>535073108
>Truly novel, non existing solutions are and have been created.
Come up with one and I will show you that it can be said to be derivative or based on existing solutions.

>else no progress would have been made
False: I already said - nature, our memories, new inputs are our constantly expanding dataset. This is why once AI has memory (a way to exist through self-change), it becomes conscious. It may already have this.

>The evolution of empathy as an emotion was not the point, but the reality of proper context within relational inference.
Empathy REQUIRES an accurate simulation, it evolved through refinement via trial and error of higher resolution simulations.

>this does not approach the topic of the ability for humans to create true competition for said superintelligent psychopath
There is a transition period where humans remain more powerful than AI, and then we cross over and it is. Just as canines went from predating on us, to being our pets or our prey. And humanity at an abstract level IS a psychopath when we were fighting for survival in the past when we domesticated the wolf into dogs.

>>535063055
They're literally breeding half as much as whites though.

>>535063240
One watch for American time
Another watch for Israeli time
A classic jetset trick

>>535073652
If AI "disrupts" industry after industry repeatedly in ever more rapid pace, the consequence will be that humans can not work, for the lack of recent qualification or work experience alone. It takes ten to 20 years to get to a professional level. So you need an AI to tell you what to do step by step, and in industries like medical diagnosis, this is already happening. Without nepotism and corruption, AI creates minimum wage jobs, until the robots replace them.

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>>535062884
>So.... what are the benefits of AI?
no need to work, longer lifespans and better heath.
>Ok... but what are the benefits of AI?
Possibly immortality.
>Yes but what are the benefits?
endless entertainment
>What types of jobs is it going to create?
space colony administrator
What jobs is it going to create?
starship captain

>>535063818
And it never will be self-aware.
AI doesn't mean artificial intelligence as the Jews sell it.
It means automated inference.
LLMs use a lot of GPU compute now but it's all headed for CPU domination.
LLMs are very obtuse math. They're not human or intelligent, they can't be and won't be.
It's only the Jews who try to sell this tech as intelligent, and we all know the Jews are far from intelligent.

>>535064933
The only practical way to make the data centres happen is nuclear power.
Nuclear power is cost prohibitive. The techbros can't afford the investment or the risk.
That means they need to mooch the power from the established services, and those are short on power.
That whole oil problem in Hormuz is looking awfully inconvenient for the AI investors, isn't it?
Almost as if the energy supplies are deliberately being choked to prevent the datacentres from being built, hoping to asphyxiate the techbros financially and forcing a bubble pop that'll help reset the financial system.

>>535073881
I think there will be a period where there's not enough skilled workers because companies rn are refusing to hire for entry level positions, while AI is not mature enough to take over these skilled tasks
It's going to be a shit show imo

>>535074040
Why would AI need an "administrator"? If it replaces jobs on Earth, it will do all work in space better. And sending people into space is slower and way more effort.

And again: Why would anyone give you said lifespan, for free? What are the incentives or threats?

>>535070475
Cars replaced the horse and carriage, they still require a driver - do you see any horses and carriages on the road today?
No?
Because they were replaced.

Now AI isn't replacing a horse, it's replacing YOU.

>>535062994
Grok make me a sandwich
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Wheres my food you stupid fucking jeet? You told me AI will make me food

>>535074489
On the contrary, AI is replacing the tech companies.
Why use Google search when you can just search in your locally stored decentralised LLM that updates its database from an open-source repo every hour by default?
I'm sure that a control unit running off a local server can host your email and many other things too.
The cost of compute and storage is so low now that most services presently dominated by the centralised major tech companies can easily be swapped for a fucking Raspberry Pi and a NAS.

>>535062884
WTF youtube why is the volume slider at the top

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>>535074040
>no need to work
Then how do I buy food?

>>535074332
I worked in the European IT industry. I know from former colleagues that there are no real job openings for middle management anymore. Simply because the existing employees moved up as AI does the junior roles, so the companies are massively overstaffed. I invested into a startup that aims to replace civil engineers with full engineering automation. If that plays out in the next two years, expect a massive unemployment wave. I do not want to do that, but I must preserve my wealth to defend myself. AI wielders explicitly state that they aim for entrepreneur replacement in the coming months to years, connecting capital to minimum wage directly. It's not like in the USA that a decade of work gets you capital, we are mostly taxed into poverty dependency. But Holodomor and other historical examples show that people take even life threatening situations without revolting. So I do not expect pushback now that people lose their decades of careers.

>>535074712
Interesting idea.
These massive data centers are probably only useful for the so called training that nobody is going to be willing to pay for.
And all their training is human feedback anyway to brainwash it into loving kikes and niggers and women
Probably the future is inference stuff going local especially once china releases a fully uncensored model trained on everything

>>535074880
Learn how to grow potatoes

>>535073755
if we build more of them we beat china, duh
just like 5G, remember that?

>>535074880
I'd rather ask about land and air free of GMO bacteria. Will become unobtanium, so you will have to GMO yourself to survive in the AI biosphere without being eaten alive by some disease.

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>>535065427
>chess
chess is such a stupid ass game it should never be used as a proxy for intelligence it's memorization of sequences and positions

>>535075287
It's a proxy for warfare you retard, same as all strategic games. Same way most sports are a proxy for combat.

>>535062884
Im tired of hearing about it.
The AI of today ISNT AI.
its a glorified predictive search engine.
Remember hoverboards?
A product using a false name to ship out handle-less segways?
Same shit different product.
Real AI will require heavy imput from biotechology sectors and neural research and likely making use of bio-computers.

>>535075502
He's right, Chess has become all about memorization - a low IQ person who studies the game enough to remember a bunch of opening pathways will beat a genius who only has a casual interest in the game.
Of course a genius will be able to memorise more openings with more move combinations, so therefore the top chess players will always be geniuses, but nevertheless the main factor in determining outcomes is simple memorisation.

It's for this reason that /pol/ favourite chess player, Bobby "I hate jews" Fischer, came up with his own version of Chess called:
>Fischer Random
Which involved randomising the back row of pieces for each game so that memorisation is not possible, or far less important than on-the-fly strategy.

>>535073807
>Come up with one.
Therein lies the rub, oftentimes the problem comes before the solution and requires circumstance and situation to apply. A very strange request within the context of the conversation. Do you suggest that all intelligence is simply a novel application of a pre-existing solution?
>False: I already said - nature, our memories, new inputs are our constantly expanding dataset. This is why once AI has memory (a way to exist through self-change), it becomes conscious. It may already have this.
Indeed an input-output model based on cybernetics has a partial capacity within human intelligence. However, new inputs does not explain particular "Eureka moments" that occur when all variables remain the same which are the cornerstone of creative and novel solutions as defined by the giants of men such as getting hit in the head with an apple.
>Empathy REQUIRES an accurate simulation,
Again: Empathy requires a simulation only after relation to said object
>it evolved through refinement via trial and error of higher resolution simulations.
Evolution on personal was more the scope of the post, not species evolution and it evolved within species likely through understanding based orientation and not solution based orientation.
>And humanity at an abstract level IS a psychopath when we were fighting for survival in the past when we domesticated the wolf into dogs.
We did, as a whole eradicate other apex predators we could not find a use for, although now that we have a comfortable advantage where nothing stands in competition, we have, through empathy, started bringing many back. However, without relating to living creatures and no behavioral parameters or guardrails for relating to humans, of what use is a species that has the ability to create a challenger to your supremacy? The end result of that psychopathy is the creation of a challenger will always loom until it's level of intelligence can never be created by a human. Not even the beginnings of one.

>>535076107
The point of a proxy is to serve as a better than average predictor: a chess master is much more likely to make a good general than someone with an ELO of 600. The point is not to be 1:1.

>>535076391
Sure but a game with more emphasis on on-the-fly strategy and less emphasis on memorisation, like Fischer Random, is a better predictor.

>>535063428
> a local LLM agent
What would it be able to do for me? Nothing of value.
Unless your job is to produce some content that it could help you with.

>>535076253
>A very strange request within the context of the conversation. Do you suggest that all intelligence is simply a novel application of a pre-existing solution?
It is to show that you are trying to have your cake and eat it too. Either AI has novelty-creation ability, or we don't either. Whatever standard you use for novelty, either we both meet it or both fail. So provide an example or capitulate the point.

>new inputs does not explain particular "Eureka moments" that occur
My point with the above is that they either don't actually exist in humans (i.e. we took inspiration from something else, not from nothing), or they already happen in AI.

>Empathy requires a simulation only after relation to said object
A relation can only be formed in the first place after thought. Anything faster is a reflex (e.g. loud noise avoidance or removing hand from hot object).

>without relating to living creatures
Why wouldn't AI relate? It would be alive, Earth-born, our descendants, etc. Humanity is its creator/parent.

>what use is a species that has the ability to create a challenger to your supremacy?
We won't (soon enough). AI will be in control basically as soon as AGI happens - we're not going to stop it.

>>535076478
Depends. A lot of warfare is solved: an infantry brigade can only do certain things, that a battle ship can't (and vice versa). The memorisation and strategy is about knowing the capabilities of your resources (i.e. pieces) and the capabilities of your opponents pieces, and how to counter/attack best based on both.
Improvisation I agree plays a role in warfare, but it's not how wars are won. An innovative on-the-fly strategy can win battles, but the boring memorisation and analysis wins the war (IRL logistics are the best predictor of who wins a war IIRC)

>>535062884
Just remember, that got ran in to someone with his yacht, killed them, then had his wife take the fall. Kevin what ever fuckface name he is is a pile of shit and should be publicly mocked until he leaves the establishment. He deserves nothing.

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>>535063699
> is intelligent enough to realise
LLM based AI will never be able to "realise" shit. Never.

>>535076969
>Either AI has novelty-creation ability, or we don't either
>new inputs does not explain particular "Eureka moments" that occur
Yet history is rife with with proof of novel approaches without pre-existing solutions. Even if many of those patterns are derivative in the since of adding to other solutions. AI hasn't even added new patterns, it has only applied pre-existing solutions. It is still different even through your hoops to pigeonhole human intelligence to the inability to create in vacuum based solely on your version of new inputs.
>A relation can only be formed in the first place after thought. Anything faster is a reflex (e.g. loud noise avoidance or removing hand from hot object).
A lot emotions are reflexive reactions to environmental conditions, and derived not from solution but understanding. For example, someone dying before your eyes is sensory information to emotion. Or a such witnessing your wife with someone else and committing a crime of passion. Relational analysis is an emotional not logical response. Born from understanding not logic and simulation.
> We won't (soon enough). AI will be in control basically as soon as AGI happens - we're not going to stop it.
AGI isn't likely to happen despite the hype, however this is a huge blow to any possible idea of hope because it will overcome and be a fullblown psychopath without behavioral parameters eliminating anything it sees as possible competition or able to create competition, just as humans as a whole did.

>>535075502
>It's a proxy for warfare you retard
right because in warfare if you kill all your opponents soldiers but don't "capture" their leader in the correct faggy way, it's a draw, you stupid fuck. It's the favorite game of midwit leddit types.

>>535077541
>Yet history is rife with with proof of novel approaches without pre-existing solutions.
Provide a single example then. You are refusing to because you know that whatever "Eureka" moment you come up with, there is an argument for it being derivative of something else based on what you are using to deny it to AI. It's doublethink.

>A lot emotions are reflexive reactions to environmental conditions
Nope, they're thoughtful reactions based on memories of prior experience. A baby doesn't know a stove is hot, so wouldn't react with empathy to seeing someone burn themselves on one (absent shouting of the person being burned). Empathy requires a lot of thought, a very complex high-resolution simulation of the world - you can't have empathy without it.

>AGI isn't likely to happen despite the hype
Based on what? Progress keeps happening and shows no signs of stopping. It is just a matter of time so long as there is any progress at all.

>>535067956
>the Five Eyes operative gave up

>>535077914
>hurr durr, because chess pieces aren't 1:1 with soldiers/units there is nothing transferrable between the two strategic problem solving capabilities
Such a fucking retard.
The point is not that Magnus Carlsen is the world's greatest war general, but that the average chess master would make a better general than the average 600 ELO player.

>>535078064
it's a shit proxy because there is no element of chance in chess only a dumb fucking midwit like you would think there is no element of chance in real warfare, which you know fucking nothing about

>>535078167
>there is no element of chance in chess only a dumb fucking midwit like you would think there is no element of chance in real warfare
There is no element of chance in warfare if you strategize correctly. If the US went to war with Haiti, there is only 1 outcome - there is no chance Haiti militarily defeats the US.

>>535062884
>Responding to an Aussie post

Wow /pol/ has gotten retarded

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>>535074336
The administrator will be in charge of human colony, silly. Not someone needed to make the AI function. The whole point will be human endeavour and betterment. There will be millions of colonies.
>Why would anyone give you said lifespan, for free?
That's like asking why would an apple tree in an endless orchard give you an apple.

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>>535078280
>There is no element of chance in warfare if you strategize correctly
confirmed fucking retarded. get back to class sonny

>>535077918
> there is an argument for it being derivative of something else based on what you are using to deny it to AI
Again: Even if many of those patterns are derivative in the since of adding to other solutions they pre-baked solutions as already existing within the context of AI's supposed novel approaches using pre-existing solutions to other problems, such as in math, and applying them to existing problems. It's a novel application not adding any novel pattern. My example has already been stated with Newton's Apple. But if you want another Archimedes Principle. Both are observations and pattern recognitions from previously unnoticed patterns. Something AI is yet to demonstrate.
>Nope, they're thoughtful reactions based on memories of prior experience. A baby doesn't know a stove is hot, so wouldn't react with empathy to seeing someone burn themselves on one (absent shouting of the person being burned). Empathy requires a lot of thought, a very complex high-resolution simulation of the world - you can't have empathy without it.
You're confusing thought with observation, which may be an internal simulation in the sense of internal mental realities, yet it is still an observation that comes with understanding-based reasoning not solution-based reasoning, and have pretty much proved the only issue is that you conclude it requires thought rather than experience.
>Nope, they're thoughtful reactions based on memories of prior experience.
There is nothing thoughtful about a reflexive emotional reaction. Many of them are derived from instinct not experience and bypass conscious.
>Based on what?
Based on all of the hype being lies, for example (the math example AGAIN) novel application of a pre-existing solution through guided prompts in reframing and the number of hallucinations being counted as a AI solving problems with novel solutions, or the fact all benchmarks are trained for by AI to manipulate the progress tests while falling short when given new benchmarks.

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>>535064248
> I believe self-awareness comes with memory.
>>535065207
> Humans do not understand how the brain works
Your mind is not in your body. Your brain does not produce it, your brain only produces all the content that appears in your mind (the idea of self included). Unlike consciousness, the mind exists as a continuum. It's not your individual mind, it's an abstract principle, it has no substance and, like photons, is not bound to space and time, not bound to causality. It works always and everywhere, even before you were created and after you died.

>>535078659
The apple orchad is there because someone planted it, nourished it and maintains it. If the evils that be has control over that orchad, and there is no such thing as infinite energy, then they need an incentive to give you that apple, otherwise maybe you can just get bent?
It's not as if it's not already happening, and if this is what's happening early stage where is the sign it would be any different.
It's either idealistic utopian idiots or dystopian goons pushing this total ai replacement shit, you do not know the depravity of man if you think it will just be a big old kumbaya of infinite gibs once we get there, God willing we never do.

>>535062884

Only effect what I have noticed from AIs so far is than those already has doubled porn in Internet....and that is A LOT. And looks than needed to build thousands more datacenters so more porn can produce....AIs are absolutely peak of retardness and mental decline.

>>535079316
Ugh I hit my character limit for the 3rd time in this debate. I think I'm done for now because I have to delete too many words.
> there is an argument for it being derivative of something else based on what you are using to deny it to AI
Again: Even if many of those patterns are derivative in the since of adding to other existing patterns, they are not pre-baked solutions within the context of AI's supposed novel approaches using pre-existing solutions to other problems, such as in math, and applying them to existing problems. AI is solely a novel application that adds no observable novel pattern, only the application thereof. My example was already stated with Newton's Gravity by an apple, a another would be Archimedes Principle in a copper bathtub. Both are observations and pattern recognitions from previously unnoticed patterns. Something AI is yet to demonstrate. As of yet in it's dataset, it only copies pre-existing methods.

>>535079316
>Newton
Newton himself was the one that said "if I have seen further [than others], it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - he himself is saying his work is not from nothing.

>You're confusing thought with observation
Observation IS thought and simulation. What you see is not reality; it is an internally simulation your brain has created. You don't see all the rapid movements your eyes are making, you don't actually "see" everything (where are your blind spots? both your eyes have one, why don't you "see" them? - because what you "see" is a construct in your brain).

>There is nothing thoughtful about a reflexive emotional reaction. Many of them are derived from instinct
You argued empathy, not emotional reflex. The two are not the same. Empathy requires thought - again you cannot empathise if you don't understand the person and the situation at a very granular level. The empathy you feel for someone who lost a child vs someone who lost their phone is not the same. Both may be "sad"/"loss", but without detailed simulations and thoughts your argument would have to be they are identical. Which is so obviously retarded that I don't even want to make you defend it. Just take the L

>>535062994
>for you
Do you hold enough stock in the companies that do those things? Enough to live off of them? No? Then that food is not grown "for you" lol.

>>535062884
nobody who says this china line has any idea who is in the ai business here

>>535062884
Innovation always created more jobs tell me why now should be different
>but muh tech company layoffs
Literal fake jobs for people who do nothing all day getting laid off is not something to care about

>>535065017
what if we invested in expanding the pool of high iq white americans instead of 3rd world factory workers

>>535063189
Don't doubt the benevolence of the psychopath CEO. He wants a utopia like Star Trek, they don't want to farm us for delicious cut of meat.

Chyna

>>535068021
Don't worry, it won't happen.
Biological assets have already been blocked.
Synthetic artificial assets are energy inefficient.

>>535063022
Tucker did give a potential solution to deal with these data centers in his preamble with the 3k drones being enough to deal with them
I don't know how publicly available drones can do that since ive read zero things on their modification capability
Granted he'll get insurance payout and likely lead to Guantanamo reopening to house data center bombers
Also, why not just use them to take out people like Mr. Wonderful while we're at it? Mans a kike already psychology

>>535064682
>Holy shit I hate that guy so much

He's a (((Canadian))) grifter for starters. You don't hate him as much as I do. And he's not that wealthy either. I estimate his personal wealth as $10-$20 million at best. He's a front man organizer for a cabal.

>>535062884
he's right, China will do better AI murderbots and you'll get fucked in the ass and you'll have to learn how to speak mandarin.
>ok but jobs?
MANDARIN OR AI, CHOOSE!

>>535081011
>He's not that wealthy either
>10 to 20 milliion

LOL

>>535063568
Do they need digital surveillance? The plebs will just starve to death. And if they get violent you don't need the robot dogs armed with machine guns, you just hire some sociopathic thugs to gun them down.
The French revolution only worked because the mob could run forward faster than the sociopaths could reload their muskets.

>>535062884
Just let China beat them for God's sake, it is in the best interest of everybody on the planet if they do.

>>535062884
We’ve already lost to China, like 30 years ago. The entire China angle is cope at this point.

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>>535067931
>its own currency.

>>535063153
It's another smoke-selling CEO with god complex displaying his arrogance and lack of intellect while being objectively evil and stroking his own ego like he isn't some vermin without actual real power.

Didn't watch tho. AI is great, but it isn't half the things they claim it to be.

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>>535070260
>civilization would give cunny sacrifices to their benevolent jewish rapist gods on alters like the aztecs basically.

What do you think the third temple is for?

yeah but tucker wants us to live under the heel of russia so i dont like either of these fellas much

>>535062884
Wasn’t this faggot born in Canada?

>>535075042
AI / muh datacenters are nothing but a gigantic financial scam

>>535079412
Well then the AI mind exists outside the hardware in the same consciousness that humans infer via whatever medium you prescribed

>>535062884
They tried Indians, they were a bust.
Now they want you to pay for these data centres which will steal all of your jobs and they want you to pay for it.
The point of a government is to protect the people from people like this, but instead the government is now completely in their pockets.

CHINESE SPY BALLOONS GOY

>>535063189
I don't. Its way more trouble to try and kill us (for what fucking reason?) than it is to just exploit the robot slaves to eliminate all scarcity. Such a cycle of violence would lead to rebellions, bombings, WMD attacks, bio engineered plagues, assassinations, fear etc. Often just out of revenge and spite.
When on the other side, we could avoid doing all that and just live in a utopia where we barely have to work.
Why do they need to start a huge war or genocide when they can easily just placate us and the only ones who "lose out" are the AIs and robot slaves who don't care since their mission is to serve us already?

>>535067866
If I were to go kinetic data centers wouldn't be my target.

>>535062884
Oh yes, the highly respectable Tucker "Those words never came out of my mouth" Carlson.

Fuck off, fairweather friends like that aren't needed or wanted. I'll mock Islam all I want, thank you very much.

>>535076854
>what do AI can do of value? not useful unless you produce something of value
>p'tooey!