UBI is the only solution to the unemployement crisis once AI take all jobs, sure at first it will only replace office workers but eventually it will do all the manual labor jobs too, faster better and for zero cost. But theres a problem, if corporations replace everyone with AI, no one will have any money to buy their products which will collapse the whole capitalist systemThats where UBI comes in, people will have money to spend on products that the AI produce, this will ensure the system wont collapse while we transition into a new more humane system where people dont have to work to survive.
By advertising it more, the more you make it a joke. Is that the goal? Delegitimating the concept through spam? Then you succeded
>>535063743Still not interestedMake another 50 posts and maybe I'll consider it
>>535063743Depopulation is the only solution. The elite will simply remove you all
>>535063930The elite is a lesser breed. It's not needed or wanted, which is why they must hide.
>>535063876it doesnt matter if youre not interested, it is inevitable, its importent to stay on top of it and figure out what youre going to do once your job becomes obselete and you become replaced
If I can float an idea out there for our AI overlords, we need kiillbots that bully fat fucks and then cull them if they continue on the slobpill path
>>535064101we wont need that, Ai will conjure up a way to shut down the obesity gene inside us and well be able to eat as much as we want without getting fat
>>535064182No you won't retard, they're just gonna murder us all
>>535064182Fatties will find a way somehow Sloth is unforgivable, bulldoze all fats into a massive lye pit
>>535063743why would a android need or have use of a pussy. Is it a port cover for recharging?
>>535064308humans are most comfortable around their own kind, thats why androids are modelled after humans
>>535063743yeah, sureall niggas and brownoids get UBI and that will be enough for them to thrive
>>535064397its not about thriving its about not having to work to survive anymore, if niggers dont have to work to survive anymore because they cant under the current system then there wont be a reason for them to steal and comit crime
>>535064101Why, fat people actually create demand. What do you wristlets generate again other than the constant noise of your bones rattling together
>>535064663God I can't wait for international jewish capitalism to collapse and be replaced by national socialism and a righteous crusade to extinguish the kike vermin race forever.
>>535063743Ching Chong ping pong. Go back to India.
>>535064496You're retarded. They will continue to steal and commit crime because they don't have the prefrontal cortex to think beyond impulsive desires of greed and wrath.
>>535064496...why are swedefags so retarded?
UBI only works *instead* of current social security systems. Not alongside them.You have to dismantle public healthcare and all benefits, including pensions - and then split that freed money equally among everyone.
>>535066592nah you can tax the fuck out of companies that don't use any human and have crazy high productivity. at that point guberments can nationalize some of them as a turnkey solution if they're offering essential products/services.the purpose of companies is to generate products/services and drive innovation. once you get to the point where no humans are involved in it then government can just copy the model, since it's efficient at that point. you basically bootstrap a system you feed resources to and it spits out whatever is needed.you can see how if nobody is required to work the whole money game makes no fucking sense anymore. what even is money?>Money is any item or verifiable record that is generally accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts. It serves as a medium of exchange, a unit of account, a store of value, and sometimes a standard of deferred payment.medium of exchange: exchange for what?a store of value: value of what?if government is issuing it to the people then it transforms into food stamps, even if it looks like money. monthly allowance for certain resources, it is not an *exchange* anymore
>>535064663Demand for twinkies and insulin isn't a good thing. You are disgusting and no one wants to have to look at your fat ass. Consider suicide again seriously because I know you have before.
>>535063743UBI sucks. Fuck ass creed and Far Cry. Viva Le indie revolution
>>535063743>yummy candy bing bing wahoo video game gimme stuff gimme TOYS! gimme gimme toys candy yum yum goony session on my computer yum fun dopamine time pls gimme more!!!!!!!
>>535063743Fuck off commie. I would rather starve.
>>535067327>I would rather starve.than not work? what would you work? why would anyone deal with you if robots are cheaper and faster and more reliable for outcome? I don't understand.
>>535063743Why not just have universal a shitload of income, then we can all own beach houses in Miami and collect supercars and shit?
>>535067400Nobody cares commie. It's immoral to steal from the owner of the robots.
>>535063743war is the only solutiondenying the fact that we need conflict to obtain balance is just foolishhalf of you will die for israel and the other half will die trying to stop them
>>535067642you seem like a mindbroken drone.again, what would you do to earn your food? stop avoiding the question. you said you'd rather starve than receive UBI so I'm legit curious how you'd stay alive in a scenario where nobody would touch your work with a 10 foot pole, it will be that bad.see anyone offering transport services on their backs today? and even if, think that's a reliable business model? that can feed you? why don't people pay other people to carry them around on their backs, to get from A to B? because animals/tech are better at it. imagine that, but for anything you could possibly thing you'd have to offer, tech would be better, 1000 times better than you, at anything you could ever imagine as doing.so, how are you feeding yourself in this scenario, when not even your best friend would allow you build his home or whatever tf you think of doing. fuck, nobody would have any fucking money to give to you anyway, because they wouldn't receive them from anyone else.because going by your logic, you wouldn't accept their money if they have it from UBI, because they are not "moral money", so to be consistent you'd need to receive money that others also worked for, so where are they getting the money to pay you for the services/products you'd have to offer?
>>535063743When the global elite have automation to do their work for them and produce all the goods they could ever need, they are going to (rightly) decide it's easier to just kill you than go to the trouble of providing for you.If you could do anything to stop this you wouldn't be in a position where you are discussing UBI right now.
>>535067642>wahh wahh i don't care that it's illogical and unsustainable in every way, my morals come first, somebody think of the human rights or i'll throw a pissy fitYou're starting to sound like a commie yourself desu
>>535068040>When the global elite have automation to do their work for them and produce all the goods they could ever need, they are going to (rightly) decide it's easier to just kill you than go to the trouble of providing for you.kek fr at least the incentive is there, which isn't great
>>535063743The arguments for UBI "collapsing the economy" are also out the window. Things don't seem to be going too great as of today. A UBI system does seem like a viable option OP.
>>535067298>Imma a real man!! Not like these gamer geek fucking NERDS!! I build things some other guy invented, know knowledge some other guy learned, and perform tasks others can do faster and more efficiently. I'm a real MAN!! And you are nothing!!!!
>>535068040how exactly are the elite continue to make a profit that keeps them rich while no one is able to buy their product because theyve replaced all workers with AI?you seem to forget that its us the consumers that made it possible for them to be rich> they are going to (rightly) decide it's easier to just kill you than go to the trouble of providing for you.not gonna happen, they dont have the resources or manpower to kill every human being on the planet, the elites make up what, like a small fraction of the global population> they can just program the robots to kill everyone but themnobody is gonna allow them to do that and they arent gonna do it themselves, this is not a hollywood movie where theres a small group of evil mastermind villains who will secretly control AI
>>535068433umm anon, they can start a deadly pandemic or a war. they can bribe politicians, they can do a lot of shit anon.plus it's not the business owners that will do that, they don't really care, they're not giving you shit for free, the government will have to give you shit for free. it's the government's incentive to get rid of you, not them.but if the government goes to them to get shit for pleb, then both government + billionaires would have an incentive for some unfortunate event that wipes 90% of the people, which is even worse, it's not only one side or the other, it's every single power structure wanting every single useless eater out.also just realized, wtf will churches do in that scenario? people will have no money to give to them.
>>535067285>published by megan ellison the daughter of larry ellison worth 200bn kill yourself you dumb aussie
>>535063743Why would the people happy to replace you with third worlders or kill you with experimental gene therapy pay for UBI?
>>535068433>how exactly are the elite continue to make a profit that keeps them rich while no one is able to buy their product because theyve replaced all workers with AI?you seem to forget that its us the consumers that made it possible for them to be richThey don't need a profit or even money, they have what they call "abundance". You get everything you want for virtually free and you just need a skeleton crew of house slaves to go around and make sure everything is still running, which is a position they will have millions of applicants for once the less retarded of you all figure out they are going to kill you instead and you have no choice.>not gonna happen, they dont have the resources or manpower to kill every human being on the planet, the elites make up what, like a small fraction of the global populationThey are going to reach out to their nearest virology institute and pick the one that was developed to kill off the plebes. Then they are going to give you the fake vaccine that activates it. Most of you already had it.Or, they are just going to flood your country with third-worlders and let them do the dirty work.
>>535063743Where will you get the money for UBI?>Tax the rich!Where will you realistically get the money for UBI?
>>535063743Lazy fucks. If UBI was started none of you fat soft lazy losers would do anything except jerk yourselves off and play video games. Fuck if I'm going pay for that.
>>535068741>They don't need a profit or even money, they have what they call "abundance".it's worse than that, they have the technology, the means of productions and they own the resources for it, they own the land, the tech they use to extract resources from the land, the tech to convert said resources into any product/service they want, all with no humans in the loop, and development (which will be a different beast at that point) still driven by no-human-in-the-loop AGI whatever, based on requirements.>iterate until you find this tech that requires this much energy for this kind of result, go, tell me when you got itthey don't need money, they need the tech and resources, they need to own lands, or have access to them, they need defense capabilities/tech, and energy (portable nuclear reactors are a thing for that purpose basically). they can build their own energy sources, their own robot armies, weapons, food, transportation, housing, medicine, space ships, whatever the fuck you can imagine, with no money in the mix.
>>535068741> They don't need a profit or even money, they have what they call "abundance".who pays for this abundance?> They are going to reach out to their nearest virology institute and pick the one that was developed to kill off the plebes. Then they are going to give you the fake vaccine that activates it.what fucking institute is that?> You get everything you want for virtually free and you just need a skeleton crew of house slaves to go around and make sure everything is still running, which is a position they will have millions of applicants forwhy would all those people go around and do that when they dont have to because Ai is doing it? al those people would have better things to do, thats what UBI is for, to free people from having to do menial jobs to survive and can now focus on doing more fulfilling things instead of drone away at some office or some factory
>>535068858once corporation replace workers with AI to make the products theyll they wont need to pay workers, this will net them a big surplus which they then can both fund UBI with.
>>535063743>this will ensure the system wont collapseThis is the only reason
>>535068858ressources, not money. ressources. you can't eat money.anyhow think about it like american slavery but instead of niggers it's robots
>>535069126>you can't eat money.You can.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Lotito
>>535063743>but eventually it will do all the manual labor jobs too, faster better and for zero cost.We don't even have bots that can run around without battery change for more than an hour and you're already hallucinating about ''zero cost'' robots running AI that can do manual labor.You're a fucking delusional retard.
>>535069045>who pays for this abundance?who pays for you farming your own land? you use the natural seeds from this crop for next crop, you work the land yourself. who paid for the abundance of food you get after harvest? nobody, you did it all by working the land using natural resources and the tools you built yourself.who paid for a blacksmith extracting iron ore from the dirt, refining it and forging it into a sword? who paid for that sword? nobody, blacksmith did it all by himself.it is strange that people just cannot understand what will happen. they are locked in the game we played so far, it's like they cannot understand anything else, they just default to "ok but who's paying?"
>>535069266anon what im talking about is not someting that will happen in two weeks
>>535068638I still love you, leafbro.
>>535068242this is an extremely sad and pathetic post.
>>535069311> who pays for you farming your own land? you use the natural seeds from this crop for next crop, but I had to buy the seeds from someone from the beginning before i could plant them to grow into the crops> who paid for a blacksmith extracting iron ore from the dirt, refining it and forging it into a sword? who paid for that sword? nobody, blacksmith did it all by himself.wrong, somebody mined the ore and sold it to the blacksmiththings dont just appear out of nowhere, theres always labor and trade involved
>>535069112Again, I asked for a realistic scenario. The world where shareholders collectively decide to share (heh) their wealth is a fairy tale world>>535069126That doesn't really answer my question
>>535063743the rich won't haul your ass and you know it.
in all honestly we're on UBI kind of already. the amount of useless bitches with bullshit degrees being stuck in adult daycare vastly outnumbers the people who are actually producing stuff. even if you are I'd be willing to bet even if you do contribute there's 2 dudes in every department for every dude that does.
>>535063743>UBI is the only solutionYes, the point of the issue is not whether you agree or disagree, but what the right amount of money is.
>>535069473>but I had to buy the seeds from someone from the beginning before i could plant them to grow into the cropsno wtf you can just collect them, they're out there. just go get them from nature. this has to be trolling lol>wrong, somebody mined the ore and sold it to the blacksmithkek what? again, large corpos own lands, own the tech to mine the lands, to process it, have tech to collect/generate energy, robots to do the work.>things dont just appear out of nowhere, theres always labor and trade involvedthey literally appear from resources + energy, and I am not even joking. humans aren't doing magic, they are taking already existing shit anon.humans do not manifest seeds, humans do not manifest ore, humans go and get it from somewhere and take it elsewhere and process it using tech. if you replace those humans with robots you can have a fully automated setup.literally akin to a genie in a lamp, you ask it for shit and it does everything and you get the shit in the end, provided you have:- access to land- land has resources- power source- robots + AI
>>535068906>Lazy fucks. If UBI was started none of you fat soft lazy losers would do anything except jerk yourselves off and play video games.We do that now and there is currently no UBI system. Not an argument.
>>535063743That's a surefire way towards the extinction of humanity. Social structures that reward male efforts to provide for needs with mating opportunities are essential for long term survival of a species. We don't need to go further towards this utopian nonsense, we need to hit the fucking brakes and start undoing the bullshit that is destroying self reliance and women's liberation. Poorer, or less "advanced" societies breed at higher levels while western societies fall below replacement rates because they have not abandoned social norms that are congruent with our biological needs. A prison planet hidden under the thin veil of a welfare state is not compassion, it is a major step towards our extinction. When people do not face adversity, when they do not have to work towards their needs, when the week can flourish in step with the strong, society will further decay and birthrates will approach zero.
>>535063743I'm not paying your UBI. Get a job.
>>535069722>you ask it for shit and it does everything and you get the shit in the endjust like we already do with LLMs and like an app/website>bro make me a website for this>ok, here's your fully functional website>woahbut with ... stuff/products/services
>>535069799Do we really need more people? Breeding for the sake of breeding is what animals do
>>535069799>Social structures that reward male efforts to provide for needs with mating opportunitieslol point at that faggot and laugh. I dunno where you've been working at but that ain't reality. social structures that reward effort lmao!
>>535069827You wont have to pay it, since an AI bot will be doing your job and you'll be getting UBI too
>>535069799thats the general criticism of UBI, that people will become lazy slobs because they dont have to work to survive, but once AI replace jobs then the whole social structure will have to change, instead of people gaining value from employment they will gain value from doing what they enjoy doing, like hobbies and more social type of work,When it comes to the birthrates, thats mostly an economical problem that will be solved with UBI,
>>535070206>from doing what they enjoy doing, like hobbies and more social type of work,have you seen what's happening with socialites? shit's bleak as fuck. shallow and petty and weird primitive shit. just look at any group of rich young people that never had to do anything in their lives for their money. they do a bunch of weird shitwhen Musk said we'll all be rich and paint and shit I had a massive panic attack what I realized nobody has any fucking clue or plan and it's going to get weird, fast
>>535063743It isn't. Idiocracy might be too often cited but it will become inevitable when work stops.
>>535070485idiocracy is the best case scenario desu
>>535070089As they fail to do, social rot increases, the ties that bind decrease, women stop caring about reproduction and nurturing offspring. This isn’t even human specific.
>>535063743So you just want everyone on welfare?If everyone is on welfare who is left to pay into welfare? Did you not think of that?
>>535070619you reproduce at work nigga? if anything putting women into the work place made them reproduce less.
>>535063743I dont understand how anyone can think LLMs will replace all jobs, please make it make sense? Haven't you used these systems? Constant hallucinations and errors are baked in, what the hell happened to peoples critical thinking skills? https://www.computerworld.com/article/4059383/openai-admits-ai-hallucinations-are-mathematically-inevitable-not-just-engineering-flaws.htmlThis is like claiming that because my phone has autocorrect I wont sen any text messages ever again
>>535070206>>535070407No matter how sophisticated we considered ourselves to be, once the number of individuals capable of filling roles greatly exceeded the number of roles, only violence and disruption of social organization can follow. Individuals born under these circumstances will be so out of touch with reality as to be incapable even of alienation. Their most complex behaviors will become fragmented. Acquisition, creation and utilization of ideas appropriate for life in a post-industrial cultural-conceptual-technological society will have been blocked.From:https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.phpAbout the rat utopia tests. I’m not saying it is inevitable, but theories from the 70s based on rat behavior have been so accurately predictive it’s almost as if it is a plan in motion.
>>535070708The basic princple of UBI is not that everyone will stop working. It's that everyone will have means to meed basic living needs, while not overworking or going into massive debt each month.In ideal world, UBI will pay for your food, rent, commute and other basic things like electricity and whatsnot, while your job will have reasonable hours and reasonable amount of workload
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>>535063743Didnt readSex with 9S
>>535069461You're not an alpha male you're a faggot.
>>535070755Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Women should be having and raising babies while men should be providing. The further we move towards nanny states the more social decay we get, the more women are willing to kill their offspring before they are born, abandon and abuse them if they are born, and when men do not have to struggle, or at least face some adversity to provide, the less they resemble men.
>>535070407the transition period will be very weird I agree, lots of people with no hobbies will proably drink themselves to death, but there has alwasy been sacrifices when transitioning into a new social system
ok whatever. U don't even know why they are wasting time and mlney shilling tnis irrelevant nonissue. Everyone knows AI will never be able to truly replace human labour. All the instences of AI going rogue allgedly agaimst their own guardrails are faked or preprogrammed too, guaranteed. They don't have a will of their own. They are routines which fulfill the task they are programmed to fulfill.
>>535063743UBI will never happen, study history, kid. You're either a teen or a very innocent adult. Rich people don't fucking care about you or capitalism. They will never share their resources with (You) through UBI or whatever the name of the program. If you think that they won't let capitalism fall by creating UBI, you are so wrong, because they will transform their wealth in gold or in something that has value in any economic system and will let the world fall around them. That's basic human nature, kiddo. It's the same idea behind why Stacy hoards Chad's cum inside her pussy instead of your seed.
>>535071064you won't leave everyone to their own devices, you'd still have education, and basically training courses for shit that people wanna do. as in *guidance*. and you can incentivise people go certain directionseven with (almost) zero cost work, we are still in resources limited environment. not everyone can be rich, not everyone can own their own yacht/plane/castle/ocean.so guberments will still have to manage resources, thus they can be used as incentive for certain things, socially speaking.people think everything going to become one big orgy with gold dildos everywhere which is retarded lmao
>>535069045>who pays for this abundance?Anon, it is clear you don't even begin to grasp the situation we are in.We are already in a post-capitalist society. We are already handing out UBI. We pay millions of women to sit in jew daycare and millions more immigrants and other indigent assholes welfare, just so we can pretend there is an economy. We shut it down in 2020 for the flu and nothing happened, that's how you can tell it is fake.You need to not worry about UBI. You need to worry about what happens when the elite class decides that it's no longer necessary to spend trillions to keep people alive just so a tiny fraction of them can do productive work. And they are working towards this, make no mistake. The AI, the data centers, the panopticon, the drones and robots that eliminate the need for human labor. Once they get to the point where they can force a relatively small number of useful workers to do their bidding, as they do now with the various bureaucrats, journalists, etc. you are dead.And you will be too stupid to realize they are killing you. The whole UBI farce is a mind trick designed to get people like you to be complacent and wait around for the culling instead of taking action to preserve your life. You are going to wake up one morning thinking about neetbux and you will be dead of the dildovirus that afternoon. Or you will starve in a manufactured famine, or "aliens", or an African will stab you on the street. They will kill you and you won't even know it.You should have bought enough land to subsist upon and taught yourself gardening, home repair, and self-defense skills a decade ago. You should have done what is necessary to make sure you own the means of your own existence and those you love. But instead you are worried about how one person is going to pay another person fake money, because you are stuck in the paradigm of a high-trust libertarian capitalist society that died in the last millennium. And that is why you will and must die.
>>535071182not helping your case.
>>535071278yeah everyone who didn't grow up in such scenario is wasted, clearly, they'll never adapt. new gens would fully be into it, old gens would ramble about the old times, look at some of the comments here, indoctrinated into certain thinking cannot get out of it.again, provided we don't get basically culled and we all try to make it work
>>535071491>people think everything going to become one big orgy with gold dildos everywhereThe kike reveals himself.Seriously, is endless sex and destroying whites the only things you guys can think of?
>>535071554you say that I should have baught land, and that I should own my own means, but how will that help me from defending against the AI overlord chaos army ruled and controlled by the evil global elite masterminds?
>>535071660I can make the same argument about you, and it would be more pertinent, because at least I read your reply.so you droned out with that reply without even understanding my point, I clearly said "everyone would thing...which is retarded" and you somehow got out of that that I am thinking about it.get lost faggot
>>535063743SCREENSHOT THIS:1) AGI is impossible and will not happen2) even if it is possible, companies will not allow their models to get to that point because they would be uncontrollable (and thus unprofitable)3) any company that uses AI in a great manner will be shunned by the public4) assuming AGI DOES happen, capitalism itself will collapse because companies and money would both be useless5) AGI will not want to help humanity
>>535071554Rare quality effort post.
>>535071554>We shut it down in 2020 for the flu and nothing happenednot true, supply chains broke and inflation went through the roof. I do agree we are already in a post-work economy in many ways. Look at what people do for money these days, gig work, podcasts, youtube outrage videos, onlyfans. It's an attention economy already in a lot of ways already. I disagree they need to use robots to kill us all or some sci fi plot. People are already not reproducing. Massive population is already baked into the cake.
>>535069799You know, you say things like that, you say things like "society will decay if we don't face adversity" and "thin veil of a welfare state" but then God forbid your house catches fire or your power line goes down, and government funded programs like the Fire department and publicly funded electric companies have to step in to save you. Is the Fire department "Welfare"? Is Natural disaster relief "Welfare"? Are you some island that's 100% independent and you never needed human interaction or cohesion to further your survival? You're actively trying to conflate unnecessary suffering as some sort of badge of honor and it's just downright asinine. When you're ready to take off your tinfoil hat and join the rest of society let us know. And it's spelled weak not "week". Have a nice day.
>>535071947*population decline
>>535071554>You should have bought enough land to subsist upon and taught yourself gardening, home repair, and self-defense skills a decade ago.what do when gardening and this happens: >>535069443
>>535063743pantsu pantsu pantsu
>>535071491What is the current trend on training and education? Everything of academic value is being dumbed down and moved aside for tranny indoctrination and everyone is a victim, inclusivity training.
>>535071997> You know, you say things like that, you say things like "society will decay if we don't face adversity" and "thin veil of a welfare state" but then God forbid your house catches fire or your power line goes down, and government funded programs like the Fire department and publicly funded electric companies have to step in to save youHe'll just gonna say that he would deal with the fire himself and its everyones responsibility to be 100% independent bla bla and that dont need anyones help, hes completely brainwashed by neo-liberal propaganda, youre not getting through to him
>>535071947Covid wrecked the economy so bad I was slightly inconvenienced in a successful attempt to horde a 5 year supply of toilet paper. The actual economic harm from it was the inflation from all of the money that was printed to ensure those at top could loot the unwarranted handouts that flew everywhere.
>>535072151mh, probably yeah. if they decide to let pleb live they wouldn't want pleb smart.it's the power game, anyone threatening the position of those who hold power is a liability that isn't worth the risk. so low survival chances for most people.but this should apply to themselves as well. where does it stop? and why? why don't they all kill eachother to the last of them? what would they need eachother for? theoretically the only ones that stay alive are the only poeple that actually have the means to defend themselves, physically speaking. a few billionaires and what...army generals? what does it came down to? politicians are patsies so irrelevant, they're poor by comparison to any billionaire, they have zero useful skills in that scenario, everyone will want to get rid of them
>>535072169Haha. He's gonna try to shoot the fire with his guns and then call the fire firefighters evil freedom stealing Jews for trying to put it out. LMAO
>>535063930this is probably the long term outcome for humanity, but even the 'elites' who survive will be subservient to whatever technological monstrosities await them in the future
>>535066592Yeah. All citizens get the same sum no questions asked can be a better system.
>>535071997The fire department where I live is entirely volunteers and community funded, which is pretty common for rural America. For your broader point though, adversity being necessary for healthy society does not mean governments cannot serve broad needs of the people. That’s a ridiculous take. Maybe stop thinking, you are a week thinker.
>>535063743>AITruly the greatest pr stunt Altman and co managed to pull.I salute them.
>>535063743>UBI is the only solutionDoesn't have to be. The economy is a hungry monster that is only allowed to grow. Typically it grows through a growing labor force. It will probably keep being like that.
rich people will buy all the products even if they don't need them if it mean poor people die without UBIcount on it
>>535063743LOL, noWhen things go, you'll simply be killedYour physiognomy will be your uniform
>>535072618>For your broader point though, adversity being necessary for healthy society does not mean governments cannot serve broad needs of the people.That was not my point at all. You took the comment I was replying to and tried to incorporate his ideology into mine. Regardless if the government helps or not, adversity will always come. Anon was making it out to seem as if UBI would be any different than the broad functions the government already conduct, some boogie man scenario, and I simply called it out. Also, You as well, tried to conflate my statement into an asinine point of view and that was very "week" of you to do. >The fire department where I live is entirely volunteers and community funded, which is pretty common for rural America.Well not every fire department is located in rural areas and solely community funded. Take a Civics course at your local community college. Some departments need government funding in order to function and pay for pensions and training. Let's say your community needs extra manpower to deal with a VERY bad natural disaster. Then what? Tell me who steps in? More strong thinkers such as yourself?
>>535063743No. it's not, the solution is war, Sven, that's the reason why you will fight Russia, you will die in a trench and you will like it.
Itt commie seethe
>>535073868The functions that the government currently provide, not basic like firefighting, infrastructure, police, rather the welfare aspects, have already decayed society by creating a class of people bound to the government for survival. Go to a section 8 housing block and tell me that is a good life that benefits the people there, much less society. It isn’t a safety net (which I wouldn’t be opposed to), it is a system that enables and perpetuates reckless and harmful behavior while trapping generations into it. UBI is not some independent addition to this system, it is a continuation of it. It’s bait to get a weakened populace to line up for their spot in the sewer.
>>535063743we are useless eaters in the eyes of the elites anyway, boomers replaced us with cheap browns, outsourced manufacturing to china, neets arent a symptom of lazy young ppl but greedy old ones, the solution is either to send us off to die in a meaningless war or let our bloodlines end, ie provide just enough for us to barely survive but no enough to actually have families. also we are the bad goys, the good ones still value money over idealism & any values of a nation, hence why they have no issues with mass brown imports, since race doesnt exist anyway why not just flood our countries for profit.
>>535063743No one's giving you UBI. People will have to revolt for it to be "given". They don't even want you to have jobs or get paid well when they need your labor. And the rest they inflate away.
>>535075085Finland: Completed a highly publicized two-year nationwide pilot (2017–2018) that provided unconditional monthly payments to a group of unemployed citizens, ultimately showing benefits for mental health and employment.Kenya: Researchers tracking employment found that the income guarantee did not make people lazy or reduce overall labor. Instead, it gave individuals the security to leave low-paying wage jobs to pursue self-employment and entrepreneurship.https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/how-a-universal-basic-income-stabilized-kenyans-bad-timesAny other arguments? Before I leave for the day?
>>535063743Even just replacing office workers is enough to trigger the problem. If a job requires using a computer (that's 100 million out of 160 million U.S. jobs), then it can and will be replaced by AI. Not that the AI is better or doesn't make mistakes, but employers simply won't care. At my job, leadership has literally run the numbers on AI error rate causing reputational damage and lawsuits, and still determined their profits would increase; so they are proceeding to purge - downsizing the workface from 1200 to less than 100. Removing 63% of jobs will absolutely necessitate UBI and the fact there is no plan to address this is mind boggling.
>>535076322You’ve convinced me. How can I move to Kenya for that 75 cents a day for 12 years? Way too juicy to pass up. I can’t imagine how great that would make life.
>>535067558funny, that would have been possible for the US if all but White people disappeared 50 years ago
>>535063743immigration is taking more jobs than ai
>>535063743UBI doesn't work with immigration if you want it to work you need to stop all immigration, cut all funding for immigrants, and start removing every single one from your countries
>>535063743>UBI is the only solution to the unemployement crisis once AI takWell no, it isn't really. Mass incarceration, death camps, or a pandemic would also work; pretty much any scenario that leads to depopulation is a winner if you're talking about finite resources and distribution.
>>535073009This is why eugenics needs to be basic and accepted part of healthcare, including the state subsidized ones.
>>535076933>Mass incarceration, death campsthat's risky and expensive as fuck, and seems like a lot of work, and a long timelinea pandemic cleans house fast. or some fake world war 3. pandemic is very energy efficient and has zero infrastructure damage, and can be very precisely controlled if people up top have an antidote, or some "lucky condition".war fucks up infrastructure, high cleanup costs, not as effective, more drawn out.
>>535063743UBI has been deboonked.Millenials and zoomers just need to learn to compete.
>>535077487I exist, anon. Is that not reason for government to exert its might to take from others so I may have?
