>based entirely on one person supposedly finding golden plates that no one else ever saw because they conveniently vanished >the writings are literally just an exact copy of the King James Bible's early 17th century speech and grammar >the writings carry over all of the King James Bible's mistranslations and insertions, actually further bastardizes them in many cases >Zion is in Utah now >you literally become a god/a new Jesus and can create your own worlds and redeem them in the afterlife This is only just barely scratching the surface of everything wrong with it. You can see how crazy all of this is and yet it somehow grew into an actual religion with millions of followers. How did this even happen? How could so many people hear this story and not question it?
>>535063758The same can be asked about all abrahamic religions and the answer is: most humans are barely sentient herd animals. A single schizo with charisma can start a chain reaction of deception that powers a self-sustaining cult.
>>535063758There's also zero documents of proof like birth records at all that Joseph smith ever existed
>>535063909>"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then [the jews] took up stones to [kill] Him [...]"- John 8:58-59
>>535063758yeah the whole thing is built on the grossest heresy https://www.mrm.org/king-follett-discourse"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret."" I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the vail, so that you may see..... he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did"" To inherit the same power, the same glory, and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a God and ascend the throne of eternal power, the same as those who have gone before"https://www.lds-mormon.com/gbh-shtml/“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!………..It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God……..yea, that God himself, the father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible….” (from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and History of the Church, 6:302-17)“He [God] is our Father–the Father of our spirits, and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are, and is now an exalted being. It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being;” (Brigham Young in the Journal of Discourses, v. 7, p. 333)False prophecieshttps://mrm.org/civil-warhttps://mrm.org/rocky-mountain-prophecyhttps://mrm.org/white-horse-prophecy
>>535063758How did people ever take desert towelhead fairy tales seriously?
>>535064236>desert religiongod created a garden at the time of creation, not a desert.and if the religion appealed to middle eastern sensibilities, how come they reject it, while europeans embrace it
>>535063758If the covid scamdemic hasn't taught you about the stupidity and gullibility of humans, I can't help you.
>>535063976>>535064296This is the same anon
>>535064296Abrahamic religions all came from desert regions retard. The "Garden of Eden" is supposed to be in a specific area of Mesopotamia which is lush and full of vegetation. Why do you think only the Middle East is included in Bible stories and not Europe or any other places humans lived? Why did all the Biblically important shit happen there and God focus all his efforts there? The first Christians were Middle Eastern and the only reason it isn't popular over there anymore is because Christians were persecuted and killed/chased out
>>535064669So is this. Quite the rabbit hole.
>>535064669bearing false witness as always >"jews are god's chosen people"- "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16>"you worship the same judeo-christian god"- "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."- 1 John 2:23>"then what god do jews worship?"- "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."- John 8:44- "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."- Revelation 3:9>"c'mon man, that was just those jews that killed jesus, not all jews for all time"- "And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”"- Matthew 27:25>"bless israel!"israel is the church, not a blaspheming republic- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
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>>535063909that's myopic bullcrap
>>535065116Tell it to yourself.
>>535064669>>535064987So is this
>>535065143It ain't. If you're abrahamicuck, you have to believe that the first cause of the universe made a deal with some proto jew with his own FORESKIN.
>>535065337>why was circumcision implementedseveral reasonsfor one, it was to remind them not to be degenerates (fags, race mixers, etc)>"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell."- Matthew 5:29-30but mostly, it was a sacrifice. an acknowledgement of god's authority since he is the creator of the world, he can even order abraham to take away the life of his firstborn son, isaac>"All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed."- Exodus 34:19-20let alone a circumcisionbut that was in accordance to the old lawwith animal sacrifices at the temple, etcgod established a new covenant, through the death and resurrection of jesus, the messiah a sacrifice of the firstborn son of god>"Abraham looked around and saw a ram caught in a bush by its horns. He went and got it and offered it as a burnt offering instead of his son."- Genesis 22:13>"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16so now we no longer have to keep circumcision physically, but mentally >"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation."- Galatians 6:15>"Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."- Deuteronomy 10:16
>>535063758Mormonism apparently functions like a Mafia where you can rise high in a career of your choice through connections.
>>535065269CI truly is late stage abrahamoid mental illness.
>little blue bookLet us not forget that Joseph Smith was a Freemason con artist, and that he modeled the Mormon Church using Masonry. To this day, almost all prominent Mormon men are also Freemasons.
>>535065434How much huge cock have you worshipped lately, Tsani?
>>535063758>be settler>invent a religion>settled region now automatically belongs to your religion>???>profit, prophet
>>535065337Being an uncircumcised white male in America is one of my greatest joys. I dont know how I escaped the knife and have never asked.
The book of Mormon can never be taken seriously until it has been divorced from the Mormon church. It is a stolen book in their hands. It was written not in 1828, but compiled in 400. By a man, a historian and a prophet, named Mormon. It foretells of a group like the LDS and the Nazi movement it united with and the Church of Satan that would arise within and the insurgencies and the yes, conspiracies with which they would infect the whole nation. They would stir up wars, even civil wars and go against the rest; of the world (gentile); they would deprive the widow and of her home and the needy of their support;, even taking advantage of the poor and the fatherless; they would take up the cause of the Mafia and do one better, eventually uniting with. Babylon and its future king. In whole they would represent pride, idolatry and gross injustice in their conduct as judges over "Israel." Of all the religious groups they will suffer first and most in God's wrath and judgement
>>535063975Nigga, I have a land treaty SIGNED BY HIM. My family kicked those faggots out of Nauvoo, which is why they went to Utah in the first place.
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>>535063758People are stupid. It's an easy answer, but the easy answer is very often the true answer. I ask myself the same with Roman Catholicism, how can you have an open Bible for 500 years where the words of Christ are so clearly in front of everyone and still have a billion people going directly against it because a Roman institution claims to be the authority over the word? >It's the church that Christ builtit isn't. It is the pagan Roman Empire that used the Gospel for their own power grip. Read the Scriptures. His ekklesia is built on the confession that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God. There is no other head of the church other than Jesus Christ himself. >Catholicism is older than the BibleNo, it isn't. >our traditionswhat did Jesus say about putting man-made traditions over the Scriptures? >pope is the holy fatherblasphemy in plain sight. What if I tell you that Jesus IS the Father himself in the flesh? Revelation 1:8, John 14:9, Colossians 2:9, Catholics would say no, he is NOT the Father, he is "just the son". But a pope is "holy father" yes? Matthew 23:9why is this so complicated for people? They are just stupid. Or they just want to have a splendid organization that tells them what to do. They want to feel like they "own God". They "have him" in their pocket. >"I consumed your literal flesh, Lord, as you instructed."It's not about consuming his "literal flesh", what does that have to do with the Holy Spirit of truth? This is the most pagan most retarded most superstitious thing that was ever made into a world religion. >it's oldsoo? old means it's true? You know what is even older? the preserved word that we have in the Bible, the Gospel that Christians preached since the first century AD.
>>535065788Good he or Heber C Kimball start the masonic thing? WW Phelps was the grand Poobah of the Masons temple ritual. Young and pals set about rewriting the churches history immediately upon arriving at Salt Lake, especially with early history twenty years prior, but including Illinois period where a lodge was built in Nauvoo. Regardless, if Smith Jr had anything to do with Freemasonry it was needed as his role was later to turn the movement utterly over to Satan as with the rest of the earthly kingdoms then he began to be lifted up in pride and adoration.
>>535066302>christian nationalismAn oxymoron, but nice try, Tsani.
>>535063758It was an offshoot of Freemasonry.
>>535065434Please circumcise your heart with a razor blade, you crustycock
>>535063909Fpbp. If 2016 to now (and especially 20-22) didn't make it unequivocally crystal clear that probably 80 if not 90% of all people on the planet are flat out NPC sheeple, then I've got some bad news for you.
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>>535068218Foreigners doing well in your nation is literally a curse from god>"The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail. All these curses will come on you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you."- Deuteronomy 28:43-45
>>535064669>Abraham's promise applies to IsrealHow's the weather in tel aviv?>>535063909>abrahamicHow's the weather in New Delhi?
>>535065084>bearing false witness as alwayNope it's you
>>535065434Hey Tsani, is circumcision objectively wrong?
>>535069479man, its you again with this garbage. you're obsessed and still dont know what you're talking about. mindbroken and unreasonable. get help
>>535069518>boohooKek
>>535069601its just sad
>>535068586>Deuteronomy 28:43-45warns of curses resulting from disobedience to God, predicting that foreigners residing in Israel will rise above them, becoming lenders and leaders ("head"), while native Israelites sink into debt and powerlessness ("tail") as a consequence of failing to keep God's commandmentsKek, Tsani using OT nonsense for a time and people that no longer exist
>>535066185Show it. There is zero proof.
>>535069717Yeah you are
There's nothing more inherently nonsensical in the Book of Mormon than in the Bible or the Qu'ran. Actually if anything the Book of Mormon is pretty tame compared to those two. No making the sun stop, no splitting the moon in two. The only difference is time and the level of cultural acceptance that has built up over time.
>>535069807ok pal, you just keep asking your silly question and refusing to actually discuss it. sad.
>>535069832I like the Book of Mormon better because it says that niggers are from a different planet and need to go back there
>>535069899>and refusing to actually discuss itWhat would you like to discuss duder? Was I asking you about it though? No
>>535063758The answer is literally polygamy in an age where the conventional marrying age of a woman was around 15
>>535069945lol
>>535069974Nothing? Alright, have a good day then.
>>535063758The LDS religion was just one of many new wave revival cults around the time of the 1800s. I think why it gained more traction than others because it appealed to two sensibilities: Sex and self-exaltation of the self (i.e Becoming a god). You get your own wife, fuck the shit out of her and pump out kids, and you get on tract to godhood all at the same time? It's a pretty cushy deal.
>>535069832Uhh yes the Book of Mormon is lacking ecclesiastical authority and apostolic succession, something I would never understand a dumbfuck protestant Anglo trash to understand.Your king forfeit his relation to the Church and took all his dirty subjects (you) with him over 500yrs agoLearn some history or fuck right off
>>535063909can you stop with your bug minded>we're all just a clump of cellsgay ass nihilism, you kraut retard.Also Abraham was just the covenant, it started with Noah technically.
>>535070018you're such an obvious shill the way you evade discussing your own points
>>535069906I don't think that's accurate. Here's is a cartoon to help https://youtu.be/Pgw-C_DTVo8?si=0YAVy7_ZLyyxDaBp
>>535070193>the way you evade discussing your own pointsThis the 2nd time now. What would you like to discuss?
>>535068184it takes a special kind of idiot to call others npc when you are falling for the goy atheism, especially now after everything has been so clear.But nah you're unique, scholars and theologians are such npcs sheeple
>>535063758yet every time i see missionaries here in Bulgaria they're tall white gigachad or staceys and have 10 children eachthey're the most aryan religion
>>535070309the stupid point that i first responded to. you know this, and yet you dance around like you are. what a joke.
>>535066185Yeah I just learned recently they made a pit stop here on their way being forced out of states lmao
>>535070102>Why is this ancient book of Jewish fairy tales true?>Because the old dead men say it is true!>Ah right, well it must be so thenIt's not even worth arguing with someone as Jew-brained as yourself.
>>535070375You can make this same argument for Scientology, because the price of admission filters out a lot of non-white (no offense) people who likely don't have a lot of money. Mormonism is just more accessible price wise.
>>5350704093rd time now, what exactly do you want to discuss? Do you think circumcision is objectively wrong?
>>535070516Nigger your king kept the jew religion and renamed but still kept all the tradition like a dumb anglo Ape. That is what you are, dumb anglo trash
>>535070554>Do you think circumcision is objectively wrong?i already answered you last time around but you avoided interacting with what i said. why do you keep asking this question? why do you think it is?
>>535063976>A single schizo with charisma can start a chain reaction of deception that powers a self-sustaining cult.>Jesus: I AM GOD, LULZWay to prove the germanon right
>>535070681>all of sudden doesn't want to discuss It's a yes or no. Do you think circumcision is objectively wrong?I'm gonna take a shower and if you don't reply with a yes or no then you cede whatever irrelevant point you have.
>>535070748Except Christianity is not self-sustaining, nor a cult, nor unilaterally joined on all matters. There is like 2000 years or history to help you understand this, as opposed to the less than 300 years or history behind Mormonism which is well documented and not hard to see where it is wrongBut by all means show off that big brain Canuck education
>>535070781no, i already said no. how do you defend that it is, if thats what you think?
>>535070748Even historians concede the point that Jesus was an irregular religious genius, they just draw the line at proclaiming Him to be divine and try to claim his irregularity was just part of a natural order of "sometimes geniuses are born". It goes beyond Him tricking stupid people with claims of being God, since his teachings included paradox, subversion of common belief, hyperbole, etc. There is no neat amalgamation of other philosophies that can be applied to "Jesus was a character that ripped things off".
>>535070543so whatyou all want many white children right? join a cult and make them
>>535071107You think being a cult member is something free of charge, and not warping and grinding your own brain down into something that isn't healthy.
>>535070924>no, i already said no.Cool, I agree And the reason I ask this to certain people is because these people claim to have objective morality through the God of the bible but circumcision demonstrates that its subjective.It's flesh out NPCs. That's why Tsani refuses to answer
>>535071297>but circumcision demonstrates that its subjective.but it doesn't at all. your reasoning is faulty. like i've said before, you're making the strange mistake of thinking that something required under a certain agreement is automatically part of some objective morality standard.
>>535071297>I don't know what divine accommodation is It's the same shit as animals being sacrificed before the New Convenant. The old has been done away with, because the cultural practices of the time (i.e divine accommodation, which circumcision was already being practiced before God established the tribe) have broaden in scope with a "one for all" coming of Christ. Same reason why the wheel wasn't rewritten with the complete abolishment of slavery.
>>535071521>>but circumcision demonstrates that its subjective.>but it doesn't at allDo you know what objective means? It means it's always wrong regardless of who says it or personal feelings. God commanded it, then changed his mind.>>535071607>what divine accommodation isSounds like man man bullshit to excuse the ever changing nature and opinions of your God aka men
>>535071607>New ConvenantKek, this also further demonstrates the point. If God is perfect, why have a new covenant at all?
>>535071693>God commanded it, then changed his mind.under a different agreement. why you think any Christian considers circumcision as being some kind of objective moral commandment is beyond me, but you seem wedded to this point for some reason. is it just your latest gottcha point that you believe is some sort of debate winner?its really not. the NT makes it quite clear that circumcision is wrong if done for salvation but not wrong if done for other reasons (such a being accepted amongst the jews for evangelism purposes)
>>535071693God doesn't change. What you're arguing is unironically from the position of some LGBT tiktok pastor who wags their finger at The Father because he was "super mean" and become baffled at how Jesus was so nice. Instead of looking at the cause of why He did what He did, you just take surface level readings and actually excuse the constant fuck ups from Israel. None of what He did was arbitrary. >>535071744Because Christ was always the end goal, but Christ can't happen until history plays out
>>535063758once you accept spiritshittery as real there really isn't a bottom to that barrelif they had mind for questions they wouldn't have faith
>>535071744this silly game you're playing where you arbitrarily conclude that everything God does at any time must be Him declaring an objective and universal standard for all time is retarded.as ive been saying, you simply dont know what you're talking about. thats why you're inventing this kind of nonsense and believing it means anything.
>>535071851>under a different agreement.You mean under a new covenant.See>>535071744>the NT makes it quite clearKek, so God changed from the OT to NT.Changed on circumcisionChanged on who his chosen people areChanged on sacrifices That's a lot of change for a supposed omniscient and omnipotent being >>535071891>God doesn't changeHe sure didChanged on circumcisionChanged on who his chosen people areChanged on sacrifices
>>535071971>don't take god seriously as he can change at any moment That's your argument
>>535063758https://youtube.com/shorts/pvV988r_6nY
>>535070102>Mormon>protestantThat's like saying Islam worships the same God as Christians. How can you be American and this uneducated? >>535071744>Doesn't know the new covenant had been prophsized before Jesus>doesn't know what the new covenant even meansAnother uneducated American. Sad
>>535063758Also they were all Freemasons. All of the Mormon rituals are copy pasted Freemason rituals.
>>535063975He has court documents accusing him of being a con artist. >>535063758Book of Abraham is the biggest kicker. The hieroglyphics are literally translated wrong.
>>535072111>>Doesn't know the new covenant had been prophsized before Jesus>>doesn't know what the new covenant even meansKek>God new he was going to fuck up and prepared a back up planReal smooth
>>535065434>Christcuck goy tries to defend desert wizard cock cuttingYou're so fucking mindraped it's unbelievable
>>535071180>excuses
>>535071999>Changed on circumcisionThe New Convenant is a better transformation of the Old, as Jesus Himself said. Circumcision of the heart is to signal that physical acts no longer suffice (See: The Pharisees) >Changed on who his chosen people areHe didn't scrap or abandon anybody, He broadened the scope. Even when it was Jewish exclusive, He still punished them for being complete retards. Not excluded them from still accepting Him>Changed on sacrificesJesus was The Lamb, which was the last sacrifice once and all for everybody's sins. You're confusing "It's different" to "Well, he just changed his plans". That's not the case. There's a difference between transformation and complete change.
>>535072111Dont be embarrassed because Mormonism being retarded also exploits and highlights whatever flaws your heresy is claiming as well.Mormonism is not Christianity proper, so protestantism is the best trash bucket for it to fit in. Cry more
>>535072032nope, thats just another strawman you've made up. thats all you're doing this whole time. what you need to do it show why you believe things such as circumcision contained in the old covenant are immutable and universal moral standards. if you cant do that, and you cant, then you're entire schtick fails completely.
>>535072302>The New Convenant is a better transformation of the Oldlmao >>535072302>He didn't scrap or abandon anybodyNor did I say he did. >he just changed the rules!Kek>>535072302>>Changed on sacrifices>Jesus was The LambBefore it was a chicken as the scapegoat. Now it's a man..>>535072302>Well, he just changed his plans". That's not the case. It clearly is. No matter how much pilpul you throw at it
>>535063758>>535063909believing in nonsense is a feature not a bug when it comes to human evolutionary and sexual selection
>>535072345>nopeYup>>535072345>thats just another strawman you've made up.Another? Brother it's what you literally described >why you believe things such as circumcision contained in the old covenant are immutableSure>9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
Yahweh is such a spergy bitchboy it's fucking hilarious. He's constantly crashing out and murdering people for not autistically following his schizophrenic code of conduct. He's embarrassingly childish and emotional for a "god" who claims to be "perfect" lmfao blud is a fucking seething kike
>>535063758Because men are evil and need to be saved by God.
>>535072446>>Well, he just changed his plans". That's not the case.nope, you're just not understanding things properly. where is it written that the old covenant was Gods plan for the entire world? it was His plan for a certain group of people, thats all. you really dont seem willing or able to treat any of this stuff on its own terms and prefer to hammer away at it with your ignorance.
>>535072568>you and your descendants after you for the generations to comeok. so how do you take that a apply it to the entire human race for all time? thats what you're doing, and its incorrect.
>>535072583you have to be older than 18 to post here. Please stop projecting your feelings of inadequacies onto Yahweh, the King of the Universe.
>>535072446These are pretty poor rebuttals. Instead of meeting the argument on the level and actually trying to parse what "transformation" actually means, it's just "lol" "kek" "uh, no it just is". Is it just the expectation that nobody has actually bother rebutting you on your weak shit, that it's led to you being complacent in actually trying to understand what you even want to argue against? I don't even know why you bother, honestly.
>>535063758Lots of new religions based on extra-biblical revelations were invented back in the USA in the 19th century. It was a nation of protestant grifters of mean birth.
>>535072627>>>Well, he just changed his plans". That's not the case.>nopeYup>where is it written that the old covenant was Gods plan for the entire world? OK>9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you.>>535072686Christians are considered the spiritual seed of Abraham according to the New Testament.>>535072698>can't rebuttal, makes excusesConcession accepted
>>535072793What's there to rebut? You made zero counter-arguments except spouting meme rhetoric.
>>535072686Let's not also forget the covenant God made in the OT is everlasting But again, you're position is to not take God seriously as he can change at any moment
>>535072855>You made zero counter-argumentsSee>>535072793You simply don't have anything left to argue.
>>535072793>Christians are considered the spiritual seed of Abraham according to the New Testament.because he was considered justified by his faith, as are Christians, not because we are physically descended from him>>535072873>the covenant God made in the OT is everlastingwith whom?keep avoiding this if you dont want to accept that you're just wrong, but its silly.
>>535072873Jeremiah 31:31>“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant” Luke 22:20>“This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”You'd be better off just reading The Bible yourself instead of flailing around like this
>>535063758>You can see how crazy all of this is and yet it somehow grew into an actual religion with millions of followers.Judge the tree by the fruit produced. Mormons are good, kind, amazing people.The religion may be bizarre and crazy, but the people are righteous.
>>535072976>because he was considered justified by his faithSo God changed. First it was a physical command and now it's metaphorical.Yet Paul still circumcised Timothy to get in good with his Pharisee friends>>535072976>>the covenant God made in the OT is everlasting>with whom?His Chisen people, which he then changed ok that too>keep avoiding thisI never have
>>535070901oh, a butthurt catholicuckEvolution is real and Mr. God is indifferent to your plight.
>>535073010>demonstrates God is going to fuck up and need a new covenant So far you're establishing that God isn't omniscient
>>535073128>ChisenChosen>okOn
>>535063758> you literally become a god/a new Jesus and can create your own worlds and redeem them in the afterlife This is really just an Americanized and overliteral interpretation of Athanasius and Maximus minus Palamas: Eastern Christian soteriology is about becoming by grace what God is by nature, and about aligning our gnomic and natural wills so that our tropos becomes what our logos in Christ was meant to be - this is just a theological elaboration of John 1.Anyway the East were careful to maintain creator-creation distinctions through Palamas and his energies-essence distinction, but Smith was a freemason contemporaneous with the Swedenborgian movement and probably came across a badly translated sermon or (more likely) game-of-telephoned version of Eastern theology (probably just by way of the Hermetic stream that also went on to feed Golden Dawn) and what you get is the King Follet Discourse as a consequence.Really, Mormonism looks the way it does for a similar reason to why Thelema looks the way it does, namely the eastern-influenced and kabbalistic-tinged Hermetic movement providing intellectual influence on one hand and initiatory/fraternal organizations providing the structural inheritance. Mormonism is basically a mystery school that larps as Hank Hill.
>>535073191>Fuck upYou're really scrambling, but I'll let you explain yourself. What do you mean by "fuck up" on God's part?
>>535073264Is your God perfect?
>>535073329Yes
>>535072873Have you never read the Bible?Matthew 5:17 - 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.Jesus Christ fulfilled the moral, civil & ceremonial law. Now we as Christians are justified by faith in His finished work. As a result we are no longer tied to the civil & ceremonial laws (as Christ has already fulfilled these requirements) whereas the moral laws are timeless & eternal, and we bear witness to these moral laws.
>>535073191>So far you're establishing that God isn't omniscientCan you prove this?
>>535073128>So God changedNO, for goodness sake. why are you treating one requirement given to a certain small group of people as if its some kind of reflection of Gods immutable nature?its such a retarded point. >Yet Paul still circumcised Timothy to get in good with his Pharisee friendsyek, i mentioned this already. they did that because they were jews, and Paul wanted there to be as few barriers to their evangelism to Christ as possible.>His Chisen people, which he then changed ok that toochosen for what? you really need to stop making these retarded leaps from the small and the particular out to the universal and immutable. i dont know why you're doing this, but i suspect its a way of thinking you picked up from stupid atheist gottcha lists.
>>535073155Your lack of understanding of history or the Christian faith has no bearing on my relationship to God or the ChurchCanadians proving once again how dumb they are. 51st state soon
>>535073370and, if you want to look at things in this way, all Christians are considered as having fulfilled the law too, because they are counted as righteous for Christs sake. He took our sins and credits us with His perfect keeping of the law.either way, ZWEK is flailing around with his silly gottchas.
>>535073365Then a perfect God wouldn't need a New Covenant, the first one would have been perfect. Nor would he have picked a group of people he created and knew would fuck up. Your God changes so much based on the consequences of his own choices. >>535073370>Have you never read the Bible?More than you >>535073654Just did >>535073689>>So God changed>NOYup>>535073689>why are you treating one requirement given to a certain small group of people as if its some kind of reflection of Gods immutable natureI thought you were all one In Christ? I guess not lol>>535073689>>Yet Paul still circumcised Timothy to get in good with his Pharisee friends>yek, i mentioned this already.After saying it has no value in Christ but did it for Christ. Amazing contradiction >>535073689>>His Chisen people, which he then changed ok that too>chosen for what?To be his seed. Brother it's weird I have to explain your bible too you.
>>535063758It's taken seriously because:It turns people into trad girls and trad boys, and the church hooks them up, and they will marry and produce children, more than 2.And that is what the forces of our times fear the most, that's why all kind of propaganda are directed at the church, to drive people away and make them look ridiculous. That is what you read.The nuances of the founder and whatnot literally don't matter at all. What matters is the restult, the life you will live in that community.If it helps getting a cute trad girl and a happy family and a peaceful life, they can preach Satan for all I care, I'm in.
>>535063758I'm astonished at how big of a religious movement Mormonism has become, and it is treated like a legitimate Christian sect. I have had friends that were Mormon and they just treat it like it's normal. But then again maybe I shouldn't be too surprised because Islam was also founded by a false prophet and that is the world's 3rd largest religion, soon to be the 2nd largest religion because of declining Christian birthrates and rising Muslim birthrates. Lies can be quite powerful. I hope one day Dual Seedline Christian Identity and the religion of the Chaoskampf becomes as large and widespread as Mormonism one day. I like FLDS for their polygyny, even though they're kind of dysgenic. A poor man like myself can't afford multiple wives though unless the wives also work.
>>535073370>God new he was going to change the rules later onIt's funny to watch you dance around how God is a victim of his own causality
>>535071693How can an omniscient being change his mind? That implies he was wrong before, so he's not actually omniscient.
