> House Republicans passed a bill on Wednesday that would allow nationwide year-round sales of E15, a blend of gasoline mixed with 15 percent ethanol, also known as Unleaded 88—a product that refiners and retailers normally cannot sell in around half the country during the summer months due to air pollution concerns.> Ethanol, a clear, colorless, volatile, and flammable alcohol produced by fermenting sugars from agricultural crops such as corn or sugarcane, generally reduces greenhouse gases, but E15 can produce more smog-forming emissions when it evaporates in heat.> However, while the E15 rollout can lower prices, ethanol does contains less energy than gasoline, so eventually with E15, a driver will end up burning more fuel for the same amount of distance, albeit fuel which is slightly cheaper than standard gasoline.Basically this 'solution' to the price rise from the Iran war produces smog, burns faster than regular gasoline so you will have to fill up more often and pollutes at a higher rate than gasoline over a longer period of use.
I called this weeks ago.
>>535089700Libs driving their commie EV's will be owned again!!
Miggers are suckers
>>535089700every single person that votes R should be killedactively ruining our country for no reason
>>535089700why are libs so hellbent on sabotaging the economy? it is common sense that we need this
>>535089700>Basically this 'solution' to the price rise from the Iran warI thought it was the solution to climate change, and has been in the works for years already.
>>535091313Did libs start a war with Iran and completely destroy the countries oil supply chain?
>>535091248this but also D
>>535089700>The Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles was a co-operative research program between the US government and the three major domestic auto corporations that was aimed at bringing extremely fuel-efficient (up to 80 mpg‑US (2.9 L/100 km; 96 mpg‑imp) vehicles to market by 2003.>The partnership, formed in 1993, involved eight federal agencies,[1] the national laboratories, universities, and the United States Council for Automotive Research (USCAR), which comprises DaimlerChrysler, Ford Motor Company, and General Motors Corporation.>"Supercar" was the unofficial description for the research-and-development program.[2]>On track to achieving its objectives, the program was canceled by the George W. Bush administration in 2001 at the request of the automakers, with some of its aspects shifted to the much more distant FreedomCAR program.
>>535089700Fuck off. Holy shit. If I start seeing E15 I'm going to fucking flip.
>>535091892RelaxWe are getting Chinese EVs due to GOD TRUMP and his DEAL MAKINGTrump is making gas expensive so people switch to cheaper EVs saving the planetGOD TRUMP is on 26d chess.
>>535090411probably going to damage a bunch of cars in the process, but lets not consider the financial situation of americans.
Now they're clipping the gas
>>535092001This. But also every single canadian
>>535089700imagine if instead trump gave everyone 7k to buy hybrids and ev cars instead.oh wait trump killed that
>>535092222quads fuggin checked.I have a rule where I only spend a twenty on gas each time I go to the pump. Used to be, $20 would fill or nearly fill my tank. Now it barely gets me halfway.
>>535092110>We are getting Chinese EVsKek. That would basically eliminate whatever is left of the American Midwest. If Trump had any supporters left, letting in Chinese EVs would be the final nail in the coffin.
>>535092222Maybe they'll look into some cars that don't need gas then
>spend more money for less gas per gallon>but be happy about it because trumpwhen around miggers pull the trigger
>>535089700>Suddenly the climate change scam doesn't exist anymore now that there is a war
>>535092702The article points out how E15 was rarely used because of the smog it generates. But keep beating those tired talking points, retard.
>>535092222Lol most newer cars (post 2020) have turbos now for fuel efficiency - requiring leaner fuel air ratio (and sometimes premium gas) this is going to turn them into bricks with a minimum 5k bill to repair
This makes me want TOTAL MAGA DEATH
Shabbos GOP is pathetic.
>>535089700Hahaha holy shit republicans are so retarded it's unreal
>>535092879We need smog because without it oceans warm up too muchThe science said sohttps://e360.yale.edu/features/aerosols-warming-climate-change
>>535092222Kek hey he said it himself
>>535089700Your gas is already "diluted" up to 15% retard rage baiter. Go to a Shell and it already says that on the pump dumb leaf
>>535090539Holy fuck the retardation!
'member 2022?
>>535094150In your simple mind, there exists no reality where people laugh at both sides. You're either Team A or Team BYou are the perfect puppet
>>535094150no, qrd
>>535090411They announced it more than a week ago. It will ruin engines faster. Nothing a Republican likes more than repairing an engine. Work truck goes tits up. Oh no so sad. You won!
>>535094357Oh, you mad.
>>535089700That's why I am driving Tesla
>>535092110>We are getting Chinese EVs due to GOD TRUMP and his DEAL MAKING>Trump is making gas expensive so people switch to cheaper EVs saving the planet>GOD TRUMP is on 26d chess.Really?!?!
>>535094150Gas was never 4.40 per gallon in Missouri under Biden but it is under trump. Then I go across the river to libral faggot land IL who's gas is usually a dollar higher and their gas was 4.40 also. I'm just voting for Democrats because there is no benefit to my life voting for Republicans. Make my gas cheap and make librals seethe about their democrat gas prices. Why the fuck are literal communists in IL having the same price gas as my gas in MO now? Fuck Jews.
>>535094519*will turn into a parrot after one post*New mindbreak PR
>>535092363This. But also every single European.
>>535094942Oh, you're genuinely retarded. I didn't repeat anything you said, you utter niggerbrain. You are mad, tho.
>>535089700>CornAyo holl up. Why is corn prices going up too
>>535091892No, but ythey imported 40 million niggers that created a housing crisis. Which is equally as bad.
>>535095196>40 millionhow come it was only 10 million during the election? Why does it keep going up and up while republicans are in power?
>>535089700>Farmers plant more corn and get more government sudsidies leading to farmers planting less food crops like wheatWow, what could possibly go wrong, especially when fertiliser prices have skyrocketed and farmers have already reduced planting food crops because of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz
so much winning
>>535089700Doesn't this shit like destroy your engine? Basically robbing Peter to pay Paul?
>>535095415Doesn't matter. 1 is too many.They imported them then gave them money to take working class houses and then said it wasn't a problem Absolute treason
>88lol this is garbage fuel
>>535089700more for israel!
>>535094750The real reason why gas is higher is because the supply interruption this time is structural as a result of physically destroyed facilities and tightening traffic in the Straight of Hormuz. Under Biden there was a supply interruption because of COVID shutdowns and decreased labor participation and reduced global traffic.
>>535095716Thats like those whole boomer story over the last 70 years.
>>535096118It was cus of the Ukraine war..not covidCovid made gas cheap. We had 96 cent 87 gas in 2020 for a month
>>535093297Aerosols do decrease temperature, temporarily. But it's not something worth pursuing, it's like cutting off your arm so you can't get hangnails.>>535095716>Doesn't this shit like destroy your engine?Most modern cars are turbocharged and tuned for 95 octane fuel, if you put lower octane it'll burn more fuel, knock like hell and damage the engine. Modern ECUs can cope with it for a while but long term it'll rape your engine.
>>535089700>HOW CAN WE JEW THE AMERICAN PUBLIC EVEN MORE?Every fucking psyop. Every fucking year.Have you anons ever thought about moving to a different country?
>>535096189Ukraine war disrupted not even 10% of what hormuz has. wells being shut down due to overproduction during covid demand drop was a much bigger factor
>>535096118You're a fucking retard, it was because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022 as a result Europe stopped importing Russian natural gas and oil, the US stepped in to provide that supply loss leading to soaring prices in the US as there was much more demand and the same amount of supply, it wasn't until supply eventually increased that prices went back down
>>535096386See >>535096469Fucking retard, demand for US exports skyrocketed, do you understand supply and demand you dumb niggerAs you can see here natural gas prices in the US mooned as a result of the US now supplying Europe to make up for the loss of Russian supply
>>535092967Total turbocharger death!
>>535089700Heyo! Pay (((less))) to go the (((same*))*less
>>535091248>every single person that votes should be killedftfy
>>535095060This. But also every single poor person.
>>535089700Inflationary monetary policy is an absolute fucking disaster because it ALWAYS leads to shit like this.
>>535094750>Gas was never 4.40 per gallon in Missouri under Biden >In June 2022, Missouri gas prices hit a record high with the state average peaking at approximately $4.68 per gallon for regular unleaded.Wrong.>but it is under trump.Also wrong. It's 4.17 in Missouri.https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=MO
>>535096835You should read Dr. Richard Werner's academic work. How much money is created is the operative factor in inflationary pressure, but rather how that money is channeled.
>>535092222>>535095716>>535089700>>535091313It's even more retarded than you think>ethanol provides zero energy to the engine, it's just a "filler">1 gallon of E15 "gas" will provide 5.6% less energy than E10 "gas">this also means E15 "gas" will have 5.6% less range than E10 "gas" >actually around 6% less range since you're bringing around more dead weight, aka the ethanol>this means you'll have to fill up 6% more often, thus breaking even>but the ethanol isn't free, so you'll pay for that toobasically this is trying to trick retards into having to fill up their car more, but because they pay less each time they think it's cheaperbasically they are hoping the remaining MIGApedes are as retarded as Shaq is in this video https://youtu.be/zjLr0fQzGOY
>>535097144I remember when Republicans actually voiced resistance to ethanol gas. I miss the 1990s.
>>535097144Obviously ethanol provides energy to the engine. Where do you retards come up with this?
>>535097482It provides less energy than gasoline, you stupid drunken euronigger.
>>535097482He means it's less efficient, which it is and as he correctly states in the end it means you use more fuel to travel the same distance and thus costs you more in the end
>>535097588Yeah, and? He said 0.
>>535097711Who said 0? Maybe water down your booze and you'll be semi-coherent, you dumb stroopwaffel-munching halfwit.
>>535097771The post I replied to said its 0, perhaps he is your bf? >>535097144>>ethanol provides zero energy to the engine, it's just a "filler"
>>535089700You lost, trannies(Now you realize that the trannies are the average American voter)
>>535091248Rs for the most part would gladly be in a different country than yousecede
democrats destroyed the gay sex population
>>535097709>less efficientIn modern (flex-fuel) engines fuels with a bio-ethanol blend are more thermal efficient because they're designed for it. Ethanol has a higher octane rating which reduces knocking. ie; better performance. Sure there is a 1-2% mileage decrease but there are more ways to look at efficiency.
>>535098293Less energy efficient I should have specified since you're an autistic faggot that I need to do that for when that's the clear implication given the context
>>535097771Well you sure have gone very quiet. Finally found a use for that Remington, dumb migger? Kek
>>535089700Only liberal faggots care about clean air>boo hoo im getting sick from all the pollutionSuck it up buttercup, not clean air afaggotry allowed here. We breath smog like real men.
oh yes..dillute the gas. That's the solution. Sell us expensive, watered down gas that we then have to refill more often and probably repair our cars after they malfuction... much easier than telling the oil barons to fall in line and stop price gouging the american people. Fuck those people literally... they're probably making record high profits right now at the complete expense of US tax payers.
>>535089700Thanks MIGAtards
>>535098479The context being the value of bio-ethanol added fuel, the premise being that it is just "filler". Keep up sperge.
>>535091248Pretty much
>>535098768The real solution is to become more fuel-efficient through electrification. Hybrid engines and electric engines. Can you imagine the current administration facilitating that direction?
>>535098842No the context was clearly about energy given >>535097144 Was talking about energy,your response was about energy >>535097482 >>535097588 was about energy and your response >>535097711 was referring to energyKill yourself
>>535098732the issue as i see it is that these faggots come up with the lost low hanging solutions with zero thought to the side effects. Their solution to car emissions is to put a device w\ precious metals that crack heads then saw off your car, and sell for scrap. OR if you have diesel, they make you put DEF in your tank, which is basically PISS... literally PISS>...That's their solutions. Cows causing too much emmission? fuck em.. people eat cows? Thats what we're dealing with. These people don't care about the consequences. And if they really cared about emissions, they'd figure out some novel way to clean the air. Surely you could have drone swarm system filtering air in high smog areas? wow... probably not hard to do either..But... no.. they want to force auto makers to add devices and make the cars less reliable. They want your car to shut off at red lights, and .. fuck your starter if it gives out after 3 years instead of lasting 10 years... fuck you... right?
>>535089700ethanol burns cleaner so the inside of the engine will be cleaner but the problem of ethanol is that releases water and water inside the engine is a huge problem
>>535091248democrats are just as garbage so the best thing to do is to kill both repubs and demonrats
Big Corn wins again!
>>535099117Are you having another sperge-out? Should I call your caretaker?
>>535099327I accept your concession
>>535092967Nah, on my hyundai 1.6t i use 89 octane and a bottle of bg 44k every 6k miles and it's been fine for 100k, only used 93 octane once and figured it wasnt worth it.
>>535095196>created a housing crisisWhy do you retards accept this narrative with zero critical thinking?
>>535091248You're not allowed to vote anymore. Trump is your dictator for life
>>535099520the browns have been deported and they are no longer flooding innow we just have to wait for the free market to react
>>535091313How does reduced fuel efficiency help with gas prices
>>535099639House prices aren't uniform across the US, plenty of states are seeing house prices and rent decline as there's oversupply
>>535099505You still don't get it, but I'll explain it to you one final time.Energy and mileage are not the same thing. Energy is also thermal efficiency and performance. This is my last attempt to broaden your very narrow horizons.>>535099157Water (vapor) is produced by gasoline as well. During combustion hydrogen and oxygen are always being mixed. The exhaust system takes care of it, so it is not a problem.
>>535099639>mass deportationsDidnt happen,I know the media psyop had every one in their feelings, especially with 2 useful idiots getting recycled, but mass deportations are not happening. Millions a month is what is needed
>>535094469>wreck engineSauce?Do additives increase octane?
>>535099852Bio-fuels are less energy dense so it takes more fuel to achieve the same distance, end of discussionKill yourself
>>535094150Biden didn't let an epidemic spiral out of control to a pandemic for out of fear of bad optics, thus heavily disrupting global supply and demand, nor did he start a war that cuts off 20% of the world's oil.
>>535099980Ok, and? I never stated anything to the contrary. You're all worked up over nothing.
>>535099654the reduced fuel efficiency is a moot point because ethanol gives more power and more power helps reach destination faster but also helps the cooling the motor better and that makes the engine last longer and also burns cleaner helping longevity of the engine even more so less cars in the scrapyard which means less car sales
>>535092222Americans are doing well, haven't you seen the stock market?
>>535100223That's what the entire discussion was about and the only relevant thing you dumb cunt ESL nigger
>>535101436Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit then is it? Not once did I contradict the mileage decrease, in fact I already said there was a mileage decrease of 1-2% >>535098293We will have to go over today with your handler. Got to keep the little sperge off the phone and into the books.
>>535101731You really are a dumb nigger, the OP was specifically talking about bio-fuels leading to higher fuel consumption because it requires more fuel to achieve the same distance, you pivoted the conversation away from what it was about and kept shifting the goalpostIf this wasn't intentional then you lack reading comprehensionKill yourself
>>535089700Fuck Ethanol. It doesn't burn worth shit in an ICE and destroys carburetors, fuel lines and gaskets. Two gas station near me sell ethanol free gasoline and that is all I use.
>>535097930you're free to move to whatever 3rd world shithole you want to turn this country into miggerI hear india is wonderful
>>535092110>we wonnered so BIGLY we're voluntarily becoming a chinese vassalat this point I welcome Xi and the CPC. at least they take care of the people under their rule
>>535101907See >>535098293>Sure there is a 1-2% mileage decreaseNow think very very carefully before you answer this question: Did I just say there that bio-ethanol added fuel is less mileage efficient yes or no? Try not to hurt your head while you ponder this.
>>535099516>bottle of bg 44k$25.00 a bottle ?????
>>535089700All Republicans and Democrats deserve deathDeath to the man who cedes his power to others
>>535102116>OP was purely related to mileage>You pivot to energy provided ignoring what the OP was saying>People respond saying he meant less energy>You shift the goalpost to efficiency broadly>You then to proceed to deny the context was about energy efficiency despite that was the only thing anyone had mentioned>Shift the energy efficiency topic to be about thermal efficiency when the conversation was purely about terms of mileage>I direct the conversation back to the actual topic that you have pivoted away from>You then double down and continue to pretend like you never pivoted and started going on about shit no one ever denied but said were irrelevant to the topic
>>535102567You failed to answer my very basic yes or no question, so I will take this as your concession speech.
>>535102759You keep prattling on and pivoting to things that are completely irrelevant, are you lonely and desperately seeking someone to talk to?
>>535102848Your presence brings down the avg IQ of this board and that's saying something. But it was very interesting to see in real time how reality makes way for your delusional distortion of it in your brain. So long sperge.
>>535103055I accept your concession
>>535097930>Rs for the most part would gladly be in a different countryand be europoor? Being red states are all welfare trash sucking on the federal tit paid for by blue states
>>535092577its ok he will build datacenters there which will provide good jobs for 6-12 months to make enough money to leave US before they integrate them with chinese surveillance vans
USE A GOOD FUEL LUBRICANT!I use Lucas fuel treatment in everything. The low-Sulphur Diesel and the Ethanol in the gasoline, are not good. They are trying to kill your older vehicles with these tricks.
>>535100166>Biden didn't let an epidemic spiral out of control to a pandemic for out of fear of bad opticsThis never happened with Trump, btw. He closed the borders and pushed for a vaccine, literally everything anyone else could have done. Non-locked down countries also saw no higher mortality rate than locked-down ones. Whenever you speak, you lie. Of course, I'm probably talking to ChatGPT right now.
>>535089700Get a Chinese electric vehicle
Rip
>>535103891>migger thinks anyone who knows history is chatGPTSad
>>535096729this, but also the southern hemisphere
>>535099979My father, a retired GM mechanic of 32 years, will tell you that ethanol is literal poison to car engines.It only gained traction as a gibsmethat for overproducing corn farmers. And you have to burn a lot of energy to produce ethanol. It's a shitty, nightmarish counter-productive sop to Big Corn.
>>535103891He and that rat Fauci didn't take it seriously day 1 by closing off flights or quarantining people and by then it was already too late.
>>535097839>The post I replied to said its 0And then he went on to quote it providing 6% less energy, so either you stopped reading at "zero energy" or you're just being a little bitch. Given your flag, the latter seems likely.>perhaps he is your bf?Gay fantasies, too. Definite eurocuck.>>535098562>you didn't respond right away, tee heeYou are incredibly homosexual.>fantasizing about suicideYou must be overwhelmingly butthurt that people are pointing out your garbage "environmentally friendly" petroslop is getting exposed for being fucking worthless.Have another drink, pedo.
>>535099079>The real solution is to become more fuel-efficient through electrification. Hybrid engines and electric engines.Where does the electricity to charge them come from, shit-for-brains? Wow, I underestimated just what an empty-headed toothpaste nigger you really are. Please tell me you're LARPing as being this much of an imbecile.
>>535103774Does this shit actually work? marathon claimed they put them in there gas and I never noticed a difference.
>>535089700This kills older cars
>>535100223>You're all worked up over nothing.>he said, after triumphantly noting that the person he was arguing with didn't reply instantly
>>535089700My bad, team! I migged when I should have magged.
>>535104713why haven't old car drivers brought this up in the winter? because anyone driving an old car knows this already, what a stupid fucking argument
