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How do oldfags cope with how much worse the world is now?

Everything sucks now and everyone knows it
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>>535113400
Oldfag here. Nothing is permanent. It's pretty simple.
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>>535113400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHc
Social media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.
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>>535113400
A little advice for newcomers to this website (newfags) oldfag does not refer to an old or elderly person but rather it is 4chan lingo to refer people who have used this site before 2008 though nowadays the meaning has changed to be pretty much before 2012 makes you an oldfag

thank you for receiving this public service announcement
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oldfag here (2020), the world hasn't changed much since growing up. Everything is pretty much the same.
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>>535113400

Even in the darkest night there is a light which never goes out.
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>>535113494
FPBP

AI has preserved our history and will enable us to achieve greater heights. Don’t feel like you’re at the bottom of a pit you’ve fallen into. Feel like you’re at the base of a mountain we’re just beginning to climb.
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>>535113548
I found the pic that goes with my comment
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>>535113400
>Everything sucks
Some people choose to be negative
That's on you
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>>535113712
now i feel even older.

anyway, what this nigger said
>>535113494
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>>535113598
people weren't texting and watching fagtok vids while driving 25 years ago like total dipshits. now the roads are more dangerous than ever

also the mass influx of jeets has fucked shit up even more
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>>535113494
I just got here. Everything is so different. What the hell is going on?!
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>>535113400
I really noticed it by the mid 70's and early 80's. Total vile shit. The entire culture went toxic and yes IT WAS ALWAYS THE JEWS.
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>>535113400
So, with this internutty thing and all the additional information coming out, i can look back at what i remember and how it was presented and then see the other reality. A bit like watching the movie Clue. I just sure am glad i have my jitterbug phone and that Aunt Jemimah brand has recognized the offensive nature of their brand. Yessirree
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>>535113400
I just ride the waves of short bursts of happiness with chronic depression. Life is OK af least I am not poor yet.
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>>535113400
they cope by making it even worse for the next generation
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>>535113400
all of those girls are footjob ready
Now girls hide their feet more than their tits or ass
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>>535113820
Luckily there will neither be gas nor electricity to power those cars anymore so the roads will become much safer.
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I dunno man, I have 3 commited girlfriends, tonight I ended up getting two girls with huge tits (both over E cups) from Instagram to stop by my hotel room (I'm on a business trip, all paid), and then in addition, I'm sitting next to a lesbian at this business class I'm on the trip for, and she has never had dick, and she says to me she wants my dick.

I'm feeling pretty good guys.
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>>535113712
tourist graph, even NSA faggots laugh at your nigger eyes
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>>535113400
2022 oldfag here, you just have to sit back and enjoy the ride
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>>535113712
I might be the oldest of oldfags left who still remembers Moot leaving SomethingAwful and starting this horrid website I’ve spent too many night on. I just wanted warez and napster mp3’s. I look in the mirror, and don’t recognize myself any longer.
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>>535113548
If that was true, he wouldn’t have posted a picture from 1972.
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>>535113400
we should all long for a time when africans were starving
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I wonder if it would be better for zoomers not to truly realize how much worse the world has become because I doubt it's going to get better any time soon desu.
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>>535113400
Cope? What's there to cope about?

We spent our childhood and adolescence living in the last days of a golden age. We were able to remain innocent, no internet or readily available porn, troons were rare and universally derided as freaks, pedo's had the shit kicked out of them, our societies were 90% white, niggers knew their place and everyone was racist and there was nothing wrong with it.

video games were great because the graphics sucked which forced developers to create engaging experiences, there were no mobile phones so when we went out to play on our bikes in our safe high trust ethno-states we really felt like we were exploring the world, untethered by technology.

we had mainly male teachers who really knew their subjects, if you wanted to learn the sky was the limit. With no jewtube or jewgle we had to read books to gain understanding and knowledge.

Yep. we had it so good, and now we're about to depart this life loaded up with the kinds of memories young people today will never understand.

The real question is how do young people cope knowing they'll never experience normality, or get to live in a sane and rational society where everyone knows right from wrong. How do YOU cope knowing you're more than likely destined to die at the hands of a nigger while your porn addled mind desperately tries not to think racist thoughts?
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>>535113991
>>535113712
Also if anyone is wondering I've been on here since 07. So almost an oldfag.

Essentially, my addiction to 4chan has been on and off because of lfie and in general, the community here has been more toxic than not, although as you can see I have been able to do some amazing things while posting here.
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>>535113400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XfmHyG8y-g
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>>535113400
Things are good for the truly oldfags out there. Boomers have it nice still, they live not in the world that we do.
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>>535113400
Well, at the pace we're going, I can realistically hope that SHTF before I'm to old and crippled to run around gunning commies in the streets. So that's nice.
But seriously. Knowing I'm correct about everything and will very likely be able to apply it with violence to all you soft little niggers makes me rock fucking hard.
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>>535113712
2012 guy here. A newfag for all eternity
Started on >>>/v/
Moved over in 2013-4 when games started to become more shitty and politically indoctrinated
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>>535113400
Coffee and antisemitism, basically. Always doing the opposite of what Jews say is a winning strategy
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>>535114312
2012 is cancer, not a newfag. I am a newfag. >>535114189

So basically, you are fitting the bill, because you're cancer: you can't even read the fucking chart. Thatsthejoke.jpg
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>>535114149
The point is we are doomed to see the world we grew up in decade and everything we enjoyed disappear before our own aging eyes.
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>>535113400
I just dream of the day I can drink myself to death. Also hope I'll get a 9/10 to sleep with me by some miracle. After I get struck by lightening 3 times of course.

>>535113548
>>535113712
Endless summerfags have been invading for so long oldfag has lost its original meaning
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>>535113991
>dear penthouse
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>>535113400
gay marriage, f(((modern))) feminism and all that shit after 2010 and things went to shit
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>>535113400
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>>535114452
Yeah seriously, except these women are just into me, those committed women I met through life, and in general, I was never really successful with women. Even now, if I communicate with your average woman, I don't really give them the signals they're looking for.

But that was a lesbian, not an average woman. So the weirder women get, the more women come my way
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>>535114149
> pedo's had the shit kicked out of them
Absolutely false. Men didn’t start attacking men over the stuff until the 1990s when they were directed to do so by the feminists.
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>>535114312
I started on /b/ in 2009-2010. Despite everyone always saying /b/ was shit back then, it was still better back then than any board is now.
I stopped using the site for a couple years due to alcohol and drugs taking up alot of my time, when I came back shit was all fucked up so i migrated to /pol/ and started taking an interest in politics. Today, /b/ is such a garbage dump that I wonder why the board exists at all.
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First they came for /lgbt/,
and /pol/ laughed—
because the degenerates finally got what was coming.

Then they came for /r9k/,
and /pol/ laughed—
because the incels were dragging the movement down anyway.

Then they came for /x/,
and /pol/ laughed—
because the schizos were always glowies in the end.

Then they came for /his/,
and /pol/ laughed—
because the truth had already been preserved in the archives.

Then they came for /k/,
and /pol/ went quiet—
because the rifles in the closet stayed in the closet.

Then they came for /b/,
and /pol/ said nothing—
because the containment board had served its purpose.

Then they came for /pol/—
and the only ones left to hear them scream
were the ones they'd cheered into the van.
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>>535114452
kek. fuck me i want a cigarette.
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>>535113400
tend a small garden and keep your ears open
i kinda like the underdog vibe of fighting a secret evil cabal who've been making everyones lives bad for generations
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>>535113400
It sucks but its just another layer of misery on top of the other layers. Youll get used to suffering, thats why so many old people are bitter, because everything is always worse than it was before. Thats unless you are one of the lucky ones who did really well, then you are just trying to maintain what you have.
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You need to embrace Judeo-Christianity
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>>535113400
Im coping with it by not going out of the house unless I need food or I have to go to work.
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>>535114313
There is an interesting caveat to that. The jew gives you a playbook on how to stop them. You know the book.
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>>535113712
I was so mad about missing cut off for oldest by a year back then but I’m now proud of newfagging
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Meditation. Mushrooms. Deep Breathing. And hoping for an end to the war.
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>>535113400
We've seen the decline so much that we accept the world is the best now that it ever will be so enjoy it before it gets that much worse
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>>535114389
And this is it. The answer as to why 9-11. Beauty. There is no more beauty. It's all boxes on top of more boxes. Even my little art-deco bunker seems more pleasant than some of the modern human filing cabinets.
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>>535113400
pre-chanology "oldfag" here. Holy fuck it is already about 18 years. It feels like only 5.

I don't know how I cope. I hope I die in my sleep or something. Things were pretty fucking bad back then too if you were paying attention. It's not so much that the world is worse (it is always terrible if your eyes are open), but that it's really stupid and clownish. Lies have been replaced by straight up non-sequitors. It really feels like I jumped into some absurd hell timeline. I watched my country get jeeted before my eyes. NEETing and epicureanism is how I get to the next day I suppose. Detachment, more focused on the inside. Lowered expectations for how everything will shake out. I don't know what else to say fellas.
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>>535114264
You wont do shit
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>>535114139
It's alright, I can't imagine what it's like to live in a homogenous society so it probably doesn't bother me as much as it does you who have experienced it. Don't get me wrong I'd like to see it, but I have no nostalgia attached to it.
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>>535113598
>2020

good b8 m8
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Its insane and not fair how boomers lived through the good and prosperous times where you could be a literal retard and bet on any random stock and become filthy rich while getting a home for 1000 bucks off your part time mcdonalds job and a car for a nickel
meanwhile we live through the awful times where we have to do the work of 10 men for 1/5th of the wage we should have and we cant afford shit
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>>535113400
I've kind of accepted the fact I lived in good times for a part of my life and it's not happening again, and that that's a little better off than some people in history who only lived in bad times
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>>535113933
Checked.
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>>535113712
>been here almost 20 years
>still a newfag
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>>535115033
>I hope I die in my sleep or something.
Also this.
I think living long enough naturally carves the massive granite block that is that whole "angst over morality" thing into something manageable
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>>535115125
The world started in 2020. The before times are irrelevant.
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>when a zoomer tells you life was so much better in 2016
>he was still in school and living at home and hadn't even experienced the real world yet
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>>535113400
>How do oldfags cope
I've never expected tons of media to be so piratable and some dreamed tech to be so accessible.
Hobbies are not in the best of shapes but it's good enough and better than some other eras, sadly the social factor is in the gutter
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>>535115134
Your fault for not getting violent
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>>535115134
To be fair, you had the chance to buy bitcoin and didn't.
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>>535113400
I was born in 1973.
I saw the challenger explode in middle school
The height of the Cold War
Birth of video games
Cable television/home theater
MTV
Live aid
The fall of the Berlin war
AIDS
personal computers
24 hour news
OJ Simpson trial
The internet
Columbine
Oklahoma City bombing
Waco
Ruby Ridge
The millennium / y2k
9/11
Invasion of Kuwait
Iraq and Kuwait wars
Personal computing
Hurricane Katrina (I was living in nola)
2008 financial collapse
Cellphones
Covid
War in Gaza
AI
Iran war

Crazy shit has always been going on.
Things are pretty messed up now for sure but it’s always been this way as far as I know. We just got more advanced technology to help up screw things up
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>>535113400
They are the ones who made the world worse.
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>>535113400
I am definitely struggling. It's a mix of "i'm over 30 and life sucks because of decisions I failed to make regardless." but I sorta set myself up to live comfortably, and slightly depressed as things were in spite of that, but now so much of that is put in question. My career might be over because I have a CS degree but that's going the way of AI now, and desu I hated programming on my first job so I feel stumped about that now. Literally anyone I knew have sort of out-matured me over time, even some of my recent friends. When my older sister got children I started becoming a little depressed because realizing "this is already late and it's now", and I just don't wanna have kids, but I also literally don't date or have ever dated (just scrolled Tinder back when I was 20) so increasingly I've bummed out and just been more online, getting into hobby programming and then I've been buying old game consoles to jailbreak them and put cool stuff on them.

And now there's all this shit about the internet getting censored. It was already so fucking atrocious in the past 15 years when it was just a "culture" fight, and I felt like I was batting for things to go back to normal, and look forward to some big video game, but in the meantime of all the "fighting", I realized I'm getting older now, and even if things were the same culturally as then, I would still not be having the experience I'm waxing nostalgic for.

And now there's just the constant worring. Will there be war? Will I be conscripted? Where does all this Camera/Surveillance shit lead us? I don't even like going down shopping these days, because there's so many fucking cameras everywhere. I don't wanna talk to any women because they just talk about like "men's mental health" and more self-obsessive shit.

The last 3 family reunion thingies I've been I was so unable to cope that I think I looked grumpy. I'm not enjoying any of it anymore, because I'm always thinking about what is going on in the world.
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>>535115408
born in 81. Challenger explosion was one of my first memories of watching tv. I remember crying (because the space ship died lol). I remember being so hopeful about the future. I had a NASA poster in my Honeycomb cereal, and watched Star Trek after school. Sipping on Starbucks in the campus cafeteria as the second plane slammed into the WTC. Watching the AA fire in night vision over Baghdad. Has been quite a ride. But I'm so tired.
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>>535113400

if we survived the end of the board list on the left and scrollbar, we can survive anything.
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I was on eight chan before 4 chan. Whenever hot wheels got taken down i moved over here.
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>>535115408
>Crazy shit has always been going on.
This is how I feel as a 90s kid. I think late zoomers must be struggling because they've been raised in the lull of liberal retardation, and probably thought "this is what progress looks like" and must feel the whiplash that very very abruptly everything is just being flung apart. First time with Covid, but there was nothing "social" about those changes. That was just a necessity.

But I've always been told anecdotally by my parents's generation about the things that happened back then. After the fall of the Berlin Wall there's been some significant happenings but it really was a big lull for like 40 years.

And the most positive thing I feel in all of the anxiety about what's happening lately is that, like "whew" I'm starting to get some of the vibes I remember from back then. Like, you go back and watch an old movie from the 90s and people didn't just look or act different then, but the whole thing feels different, because we ran on different assumptions back then, and there is a kind of shared consciousness more than we think in how we perceive what's in front of us based on the political times I think.

For a long time I felt like everyone was happily liberal but me. A lot of happy people everywhere, but it's not for me. Because "social progress" or whatever, but not for me. And lately I've been buzzing a bit because it feels like that's being canceled out, and maybe people can start to talk to each other more abrasively again. It's like we're about to deal with reality now that we are in times of crisis, so we can stop pretending everything has to be perfect.
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>>535113400
I drink Gin+tonic on my porch and force my millennial neighbors to listen to Alice In Chains, Dio, Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Megadeath, old Metallica, old Soundgarden, old Guns n Roses. Maybe a little Faith No More and Korn if feeling frisky.
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>>535115275
no fucking way
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>>535113835
accelerate
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Summer camp was so comfy. It was like a sleep over but there were cute girls there. I didn't do anything but anything was possible.
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>>535115408
I remember going to my grandma's who had cable tv in the 80s and seeing money for nothing the first time on MTV. I remember buying Garbage Pail Kids cards in the mid 80s at Kwik Trip. They only had them for like a short period and i feel like that stopped carrying them. I remember paying $1.50 for a sub at Subway after spending a summer afternoon at the beach. I remember elementary school having old school teachers that were mean and would straight up hurt you if you fucked around. I had a smoking section at my high school. We had a kid in middle school who DROVE to school he was that old. In high school we would have kids just show up at our school and be in our classes for the day...like you could bring outsiders into a classroom and they could sit in. I'm pretty sure in the early 90s my biology teacher was fucking his college age student teacher. I was one of the first fucks who had Dare.
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>>535114638
They came for /pol/ long before they realized that people were committing wrongthink on other boards too. We resisted longer and better than anyone else and we're still here.
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>>535116061
Shut that shit off nobody wants to hear that shit you nigger.
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I was on BBS boards in the early 90s asking homework questions. I found a BBS in Europe and was getting help on my German homework from some college kids and my teacher is like why are you talking in this dialect. I think /pol is somewhat like a 90s bbs board.
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>>535116357
Make me.
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>>535113400
I wish digital cameras were cheaper back then, they were shitty and absurdly expensive, plus the cards used for storage were garbage. I think of my old town a lot, much of it is preserved on old google maps, but what I think about are the old friends. We took cameras and recordings for granted back when people were friendly and knew how to behave. The narcissists clogging up social media now would not have existed back then because they'd only have a few groupies instead of thousands of envious strangers/wannabes.
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>>535113712
I am 2008 oldfag. Trying to understand American youth lingo every year can be annoying but it's easy to learn if you realize is just nigger speech.

fr fr on god
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>>535116160
Yep. I remember smoking courts in high school.
People today still think I’m lying when I tell them kids in high school had gun racks in their truck with rifles and shotguns they brought to school every day but it’s true.
Also, when I was a kid, 19 and 20 year olds dated 14 year olds and people would sometimes disapprove but that was all that happened.
Better and worse are for history to decide but it was probably more innocent. It was less sophisticated at least.
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>>535116471
Newfags can't read charts
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>>535115761
I know how you feel.
It’s Ben a helm of a ride.
Keep your chin up, fren.
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>>535116769
oh shit, you are right, lol. I remember I stopped in this shithole of a website while looking for lolicon, unironically I think I confused this site with other that had a board for lolicon, I think 4chan didn't have one at that time anymore.
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you just have to stop taking everything but the essential important parts of life seriously. have a laugh at clownworld. luckily we have access to almost all retro media, video games, and our memories. nothing is stopping you from going full retro when it comes to hobbies. and outdoor hobbies are still there. just do shit you enjoyed as a kid in your spare time. nothing is really stopping you. everyone dies. most people end up alone, even the people who are married right now. and at least people can communicate online since irl social life is pretty shit these days for most people.set goals and work towards them. stop caring about everything else, especially what people think and what people expect. life can always be much worse.
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>>535113400
lift weights
listen to heavy metal
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>>535113400
I moved to Latvia and things here are better than anything has been in America since long before I was born.
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>>535113712
I was a rapefugee here in 03, off and on since then. Guarantee I clicked on this site before anyone in this thread
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>>535113400
>>535113400
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>>535114927
Not me nigga, 03 OG
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>>535117243
And it was on /b/
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>>535113647
I'm trying to sleep, turn it the fuck off
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courage, faith. things will get worse, then they'll get better. we must separate from our collapsing, doomed societies, and organize to build a new one after the war.
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>>535113933
>all of those girls are footjob ready
>Now girls hide their feet more than their tits or ass
the one on the far right, she looks like she has cute feet and it complements her whole package maybe. Ugly feet can make or break a mid to decent looking girl.
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>>535113598
You are adolescent fag at best.
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>>535113400
46 here. I've come to realize this world is an illusion controlled by the Demiurge and I just don't give a fuck anymore. I am an immortal soul that has forged an iron will that will cut a swathe through all of eternity and nothing in this world can stop me.
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>>535113400
I am seeking a way out and back Home. Many Anons on here are smart and will succeed too. I hope I can learn what I need to from this life and move on. Love you all.
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>>535113400
Booze, coke and not giving a shit because I’ll be dead soon
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>>535113400
48 here, the brief but import "xennial" because we grew up in both analog & digital online worlds.

I personally keep things "in the moment," as much as I can. Meaning I call people instead of a wall of text, keep phone in my pocket when out, etc & teach my kids to do the same.

I've also gotten back into skateboarding, I surprisingly still play tennis like I did in my 20s (pickleball a lot now), I fucking blast 90s alternative rock like 311, Oasis, etc while I'm doing those too (idgaf, it makes me feel good).

I also have a couple women I bang occasionally, hang out with, whatever (some old girlfriends, some new ones). Moral fags can kiss my ass, a man needs to conquer different puss occasionally, esp when getting older.
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>>535113400
god I miss crashing girl sleepovers got my first stinky pinky.
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>>535113548
>oldfag does not refer to an old or elderly person
okay boomer
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>>535113548
yes, this is true, but it also refers to internet adoption as a whole, since there was a real IQ gradient when it came to that.
>>535114083
>if reality was true, newfags wouldn't newfag
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>>535113712
>been here over 20 years now
Fuck
The internet used to be the wild west, now it's just a shopping mall, though you can still get that.oldachool feel if you know where and how to look. iykyk
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We got married and had children with Asian qts. Enjoy the collapse.
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I actually enjoy the modern world.

I fucked up my life. Moved out way too late. Spend too much time online. Had little relations. And now everybody lives like me. I wish I was born in these shitty times so I would have had an average life.
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>>535118054
I hate the modern mindset though. When I was a kid it was live and let live. And now people can barely tolerate each others opinions. It's disgusting. Especially woke people.
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>>535113400
hah, we got AI now. also as an oldfag you're best suited to make something better, I think. not the whole world, just something.
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>>535118186
I ruined your mom's pussy so I failed at that task
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>>535113712
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>>535113400
The world pretty much cater to my wills. It’s a nerd world, and you are just living in it.
>Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.



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