anyone can buy health insurance. it's why our taxes are lower. plus there has always been people gaming the system by buying insurance after they break their leg or something and then cancelling the insurance as soon as their leg is good. either way, if you show up to a hospital without insurance they're going to treat you.
>>535133682>if you show up to a hospital without insurance they're going to treat you
what happens if you dont pay? can they lien your property?
>>535133682>why our taxes are lower.They really aren't , also the US spends most of its budget on healthcare and welfare, but somehow everything is still expensive
>>535133682What's funny is the first guy is talking about the NHS specifically preventing a family from seeking life saving care for their child.
>>535133947>what happens if you dont pay? can they lien your property?poor americans dont have healthcare. migrants and rich americans do
>>535133866Correct, retard.>>535133947It's possible but very unlikely. They would have to sue you. Mostly you will just get spam contacted by debt collectors and your credit will fall.>>535134015Probably because we actually do have socialized healthcare, housing and food programs for our hundreds of millions of poverty stricken shitskins and white trash. The poors coast along in life, the rich thrive, and the middle class gets raped. It's called communism.
>>535133947>what happens if you dont pay? can they lien your property?no. medical debts don't even hit your credit score.
>>535133682Jesse is right tho
americans are some of the most disgusting people in this worldevery day I pray russia or china just nukes them all, yes they will nuke back but it will be worth it
>>535133866It's true you dumb nigger. Over half of public hospital intakes don't pay. Only white people who havn't started noticing pay LMAO.
>>535133682I have great healthcare AND an AR-15
>>535134212Americans don't think of you at all.
>>535133682This was in response to bong courts not allowing parents to bring their sick child to another country for healthcare.
People are retarded in general and easily convinced by emotional appeals, sophist rhetoric, and slogans. You can just lie to them and it hits the right emotion/ego note, then you convinced them of “truth”.
>>535133682This is a reference about going to the Vatican hospital which is run entirely on donations, not socialized healthcare.
>>535133682Commies are really good at propaganda and opticsIt’s why their dogshit ideology persists in the minds of midwits
>>535133682>what's this idea that americans 'don't have healthcare'?It's like when you hear a woman repeat the "wage gap" line from 15 years ago, it's just a repeated truism (that isn't true but they believe it in a religious sense).
>be sick in America >have super expensive insurance>go to doctor>that will be 75 dollar copay pls and thank you>wait forever>finally see doctor>he sort of shrugs, guesses what your problem is, and shoos you out of the office with a Rx>no exam, no tests, no labs>problem doesn't get better >try another doctor>same thing happens.>you're a 30 something with onset of severe asthma symptoms with no known cause? >I am not in any way concerned about this, here's a script and get out k thx bye Health care in America FUCKING SUCKS.
>>535133682Insurance is a scam that doesn't guarantee treatment
>>535133682My health insurance costs $103/monthIt's really pretty cheap tbqh
>>535133947Yes. If you don't pay for their expensive chemotherapy that will likely kill you, they will stop all other treatment and then take your house so you can have cancer on the street. Murica!Not all states though. Mostly Republican states. Just being honest.
>>535134585Have you ever tried to use that so-called (((insurance))) for anything?
>>535134534Yes, it does.I pay $600 a month and I'm 38. I don't smoke or drink or do drugs so there's no reason it should be so expensive. Still have to pay $3,000 to $7,500 before any procedure. $40 per visit. GoodRx coupons save you more at the pharmacy then your own insurance does. The entire industry is rotten and needs to be punished.
>>535134150they only HAVE to treat you if you're broke and about to die within like 500 feet of their property, to cover legal culpability and not get suedif you've got cancer or something and not imminently about to die good fucking luck
>>535134549I had to make an appointment for my dad at a specialty clinic because the computer system was messed up and my dad has a common name. So I called the specialty clinic. The automated system asked some questions (like press 1 for appointments press 2 for new patient etc ) it asked "do you have health insurance press 1 for yes and 2 for no" and I fat fingered the 2 button by accident and the system automatically hung up on me.
>>535134710Yes my daughter had a 3 day stay in the hospital including an emergency room trip. Final bill was $2000, I called and said "that's high" and they lowered it to $1000.So we're at $2200 for a year of healthcare, still cheaper than taxes we'd pay for universal coverage.
>>535134768For $600/mo you're insane to not self insure
>our taxes are lowerBut they are not, though, and we spend twice what Europeans do on healthcare. We have a Jew monopoly over whether we live well or die poorly and faggots like you think it's a free market.
Jewish finger pecked this swill. >Don't pay 2% of you income in taxes bro, just buy this insurance at 5% of your income from juden shekelstein so he can pay kikel Moshe for the use of the facilities & don't forget to give Dr. Epstein a tip with your co payFucking retards and their money will soon be parted
>>535134768System working as intended to maximize owning nothing and being happy.You're probably too young to remember the affordable insurance of the '90s that covered practically everything (like modern welfare insurance) and definitely too young to remember out-of-pocket healthcare being feasible.
>>535135046More like 20% of your income for insurance if you're single and make $20/hr, which puts you beyond the poverty line.The deductibles would crush you if you had a serious or long-term illness anyways, so why bother?
>>535134377lets full stop here. USA healthcare is not freemaket capitalism in any way. Any defensive of it, is not a defense of capitalism, it is a state run oligarchy where companies are chosen by the government.
>>535135780Don't tell Americans that they are practicing communists. (It just pisses them off.)
>>535133947>what happens if you dont pay?They negotiate down to what you are willing to pay. Remember that 90% of the price is just a massive markup meant as a stupid tax for people who're too dumb to do basic research and realize they can negotiate it down, and then the next 9% is bilking insurance providers, and the last 1% is what it actually costs.
>>535136478>the last 1% is what it actually costs.About 10 years ago my wife had her appendix removed. We had cash, but no insurance. She told everyone she was cash pay. When she did, the price immediately dropped dramatically. The surgeon (including a couple follow up appointments) ended up costing $1000. CT scan, like $250. Anesthesiologist was $1200. (All the smaller bills worked like this.)The hospital was a slightly different story. They billed her $28,000. One day, they called out of the blue. They said that if she paid today (and today only) they would settle the bill for $4,500. (She almost paid it.)I explained to her that if they could settle the bill for $4,500 today (and today only) that they could also settle the bill for $4,500 next week just the same. They were playing some sort of game. So she waited...About a week later she got a statement in the mail that said she owed nothing.
>>535133682I get insurance from my employer. It's over $1000 a month for just me and my wife. That's way more than it was 10 years ago
>>535133682healthcare and schools are just welfare for women.
>>535133682Isn't this the plot to that Denzel movie
>>535133682>either way, if you show up to a hospital without insurance they're going to treat you.This attitude is so fucking stupid and ends up with people going to ERs for shit like strep throat and ER wait time turn into 8 hour waits. Medicaid expansion actually solved this shit because poorfags stopped going to the ER for everything shit a PCP could deal with. Cuckservatives are retards.
>>535134174What? Medical debt absolutely can affect your credit score. https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/medical-debt-and-your-credit-score/
>>535137412>healthcare and schools are just welfare for women.>While these systems are used by everyone, research shows that they are essential tools for overcoming historical, economic, and social inequalities that have disproportionately affected women.
>>535137499>yourngmi
>>535135780Nothing in the US is free-market capitalism. When you come to money in the US, you buy politicians and establish a monopoly. American politicians are cheap and perfectly legal to buy and sell.If you want to see free-market capitalism, you find it in China. Cut-throat competition in all fields, with constant innvovation being the only way to stay relevant on the market. Bribing politicians is a capital crime there. In the US it's an integral part of the system. That's the difference, that's what makes the US weak and China strong.
>>535133682>Take sick son to Italy for treatmentWouldnt they just put him on a 6-18 month wait list for an open appointment?
>>535133682>it's another "Conservatives reference a real event that actually happened and leftists treat it like an insane hypothetical" threadlmao. If only redditors didn't insist on censoring anybody who calls their cult out. Somebody could have told them that Alfie Evans was already in a country with socialist healthcare and the socialists in charge refused to let the parents take him to Italy for healthcare. The parents had to watch their son die because England doesn't have freedom.
>>535137426>This attitude is so fucking stupid...I agree with you, anon. But... Going to the ER is the only way to get a medical issue taken care of today. (Instead of waiting several weeks or more to schedule an appointment so you can then go get that scan you need.) It's fucking retarded, yes, but it is a symptom of larger problems in the so-called healthcare system.
>>535137615>Nothing in the US is free-market capitalism.The economic zone formerly known as America has been a (mostly) communist entity for more than 100+ years.
>>535137615you don't understand anything about American politics or economics.
