Does anybody else feel quietly cozy and pleased when they hear car manufacturers are suffering from a decline in sales, closing factories, laying staff off because they tried to shill EV's so hard when nobody wants them
Wife has a 2026 honda with a v6 in it. Great vehicle
>Full port your product line to a product nobody wants and is half baked at this point in time>WTF why do we have losses????
>>535137333They had their hands tied by faggot green regulations.
>>535137333Honda is not the same brand or car it was in the 90s.Quality has dropped since the year 2000.Same with toyota.They both have been coasting on name recognition for far too long now and it's time we recognize they suck as bad a nissan.
make the accord rwd with a turbo 5 cylinder
>>535138312Every car brand is pretty much the same when comparing apples to apples. There is a slight advantage to certain regions though. Things like japs are better at small cars and NA is better at light truck category.
honda should also buy suzuki and sell the jimny as a honda and swift as a jazz
>>535137333yes, very, outside of all the car companies i like slowly dying because they've killed off all their good models.
Just make the civic look like a cyberpunk vehicle
>>535137333Dunno - since all of my predictions are "things will go to shit", I'd really like to be wrong for once. I just never am on any of the big topics.So it's not really "cozy and pleased", it's just indifference.They could have known that this will happen. EVs are, for now, objectively inferior to ICEs. More than that, we have neither the infrastructure for everyone to use one if we forced them, nor even the resources to build enough EVs for everyone to have one.It was always a plan that was going to spectacularly fail, but the retards in politics have grown too arrogant and believe their word to be some law of nature that can force reality into compliance.
>>535137333All car sales are fallen....gas, diesel, EV, hybrids because there is recession going on.
>>535137333> don't buy EVlet's look at the US car sales figures right now
>>535138243Not sure about Honda, but the German car manufacturers were pushing hard as fuck for those laws.They did it in the past with our "cash for clunkers" equivalent that demolished the second hand market to force more people to buy new cars, and they thought they could make fat profits by forcing everyone to abandon their ICE and buy a new EV, too.I don't think there was any lobby group that pushed for this harder than the big car manufacturers did over here.I could even see some sense in wanting to switch over to electric. Electricity is the same no matter which source you used to produce it, so it makes you less dependent on specific resources from abroad.But they tried to force it in the most retarded way possible, and for entirely greed-motivated reasons.
>>535137333nobody wants them but soon enough you won't have the choice.By 2035 all cars will be EVs in the EU. It's part of the kike agenda, don't kill kikes = suffer.
>>535137333EVs are only getting more popular. The problem is the heavy competition, especially in China
>>535137333Buy hydrogen car powered by nuclear fuel.
>>535138750>By 2035 all cars will be EVs in the EUDidnt they postpone that from 2030, then abandon it altogether because the shit is hitting the fan with their car manufacturers. I assume the green taxes still remain though
>>535137333>stop making cars for the poors>turns out the poors are your primary customer base>double down>dieGood
>>535138886>ev toy cars aren't for broke faggotskek. uhhhhh.... isn't the like a major appeal of a dumpster car like the model 3? it allows you to pretend you have the performance of a more expensive car you can't actually afford?
>bring back honda jazz as honda jazz in america>buy suzuki>bring back honda fit that's a suzuki swift>sell suzuki jimny as honda element>make small pickup that's a suzuki sold as honda>make accord rwd and 5 cylinder
>>535137333Trips checked.Nobody cares about the electric jew, mate.
>>535137333- didn't Honda leave the UK because of Brexit?- You don't even have a car industry left.
>economy bad>new car expensivwoah
EVs are only good for cities and most people who live in cities do so in apartments/condos. The upper middle class + detached suburban home owners are your only market and that group is on a downward trajectory.
EVs are great. i haven't been to a gas station in years. Honda is missing the boat.
Honda was the best car manufaxturer. But they could fix their rust protection kurwa.
>>535138730Japanese auto-manufacturers didn't want this. They spent decades perfecting the most reliable ICE engines in the world. Why would they give that up voluntarily?
>>535138978Bently, Rolls Royce, Mini, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover etc. Not our fault Thatcher decided to sell everythingBesides, are you retarded, what does this have to do with the thread?
>>535138873It's my mistake maybe it was 2030. It doesn't really matter, the army, cops, firemen, ambulances are priority for oil.You can see how they increased the prices with the Iran war despite the fact that only 8% of oil is transitinting there and coming in Europe.They will manufacture more crisis like they manufactured famines in the past.
>>535137333>Biggest market for cars is USA>Americans think nothing of driving 300 miles round trip for a day of mucking about>Average EV gets less than 300 miles in peak conditions>As such it's not an option for a lot of AmericansCouple that with new auto sales being shit in general because vehicle pricing outpaced earnings growth and it is far from shocking. If Honda released an electric car that could get 100 miles a charge, still easily got highway speeds, and was less than 10K? It would sell like fucking crazy as work commuter item.If it matched gas car pricing, performance, and comfort with a 500 mile range in its worst setup? It MIGHT sell well, but that's still a gamble. I've put over 1,000 miles on road trips at least 50 times in my life.
>>535139101>i haven't been to a gas station in years.- plug it in when you get home. - what's a gas station?
>>535137333I will never buy a fucking stupid overpriced EV, simple as.I will drive my old moderately fuel burning Jap until I die.
>>535139244i just bought a Silverado EV that does 400 miles easily. keep coping.
>>535137333Retards should bring back the cheap and fast 2-strokes if they want to earn some real money.
Boomers fucking love EVs for some reason.
>>535137333they lost because they couldn't compete with BYD's ev's
>>535137333>because they tried to shill EV's so hardBozos like you is why many legacy brands will have a monumental struggle trying to catch up to EVs.In China, most of the EU and EEC, and even some african nations, EVs have surpassed ICE car sales. Last couple years price parity happened with purchase prices.EVs have much lower running and servicing costs. And no, batteries do not need to be changed after a couple of years, they normally outlast the car. Like ICE cars, shit happens now and then. That does not mean all will blow a piston through the cylinder wall.BMW or Lucid make pricey cars for those boneheads who believe (wrongly) that you need to have 500 mile capacity per charge. Who the F drives that log without having lunch, or a coffee, take a leak, or have a look at a waterfall?
>>535137333>make a product that takes hours to "refuel", that constantly spies on your customers, that's hard as shit to repair and guarantee that something will break within a year after purchase and charge an arm and a leg for it>surprised when no one buys it
>>535137333I wouldn't feel so smug if the little island I lived on had less oil than Puerto Rico and no military or soft power to secure more.
>>535137333>Does anybody else feel quietly cozy and pleasedare you retarded?it's the governments who are forcing EV's on both manufacturers and buyerscar makers would be glad to sell us 6 liter V8s but "regulation" is preventing that
>>535137333We japanessu use superiah hydrogenu. We are not worthless Chineseu
>>535139244How the car is powered isnt the problem. It is everything else related to itGas cars>cheap to produce>will last as long as you if you take care of it>Can fix it with simple tools>Can be refueled in minutes at any locationElectric car>expensive to produce>need to spend 10-20k every 8-10 years for the battery alone>designed to be expensive to repair>can be hacked>newer ones send data back to manufacturer so they can profit off selling it>needs to be plugged in to chargeIf there were electric cars that were designed like old gas ones, but they used swappable batteries rather than gas, they would be great
>>535143001>but they used swappable batteriesthis works in China on a relatively small scale there are mulitple problems with that approach but it already exists
>>535137333Cvt transmission, turbo piece of shit engines, no manuals, overpriced. Those are why people aren't buying.
>>535138312Toyota changed the most, absolute dogshit now. I bought the last 2024 4runner 100% made in japan though. Set for life.
>>5351416075 banshees please!
I drive a sedan with the 2.4 liter vtec. I would never swap it for an electric car.
>>535137333I was mildly amused a couple years ago when the rental car agencies couldn't give away Teslas. It literally cost more to rent a Kia Rio.
>>535137333first loss because of horrible EV sales. still every car company is going with ev. grim
>>535142851Hydrogenu is cool-u, buttu retardu for barely sentientu peepuru. Also muchu moru comprex wif moving partu. Also not possibru to fixu in your garagu.
>>535137741Because China spent 20+ years bribing politicians and NGO's with commie chink cash to push the green new scam, and it was backed by other oil poor countries who rightly identified the MASSIVE strategic assfucking the USA can do to anyone over oil. It was never about the enviroment it was ALWAYS about getting the world off oil and reliant on chink solar panels and muh windmills - but all you clowns spend all day chasing chinese laser pointers.
>>535143001>need to spend 10-20k every 8-10 years for the battery alonecitation needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOw0MMtkGlg
>>535137333parity>Global electric vehicle (EV) sales are growing rapidly, reaching over 17 million in 2024, which represents a 25% increase from 2023 and means roughly 1-in-5 new cars sold globally is now electric. In contrast, sales of internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles peaked around 2017–2018 and are now in a terminal decline, with their market share falling from over 90% in 2019 to 57% by Q1 2025.
>>535137333Build cars people actually want.Abolishing CAFE standards would be the best thing ever for the auto industry.
>>535144595I think people are in denial that battery technology has climbed the hump and now ice vehicles are obsolete for trips within 200 miles/300 km.
>>535143969... what are things like now with EVs and rentals?
>>535145053>International energy agency >Forecast >85% of vehicle sales are ice>15% of EV>Guys they're growing! EVs are growing! Everyones buying one! Wishful thinking. Nobody is buying them. Beside business leasing for tax perks.
>>535137333Huh, guess they should have listened to consumers rather than agenda driven corporate/government retards.
>>535137333Yes.With that said. I bought an ebike for my 7 mile commute to work this summer. And its one of the most fun investments ive ever made. No bullshit regs, its about as fast as a moped. I take an old bike trail that used to be a train track. Havent bought gasoline in 3 weeks. Mine kinda looks like a honda trail. Was worth it. Ev cars and trucks though? No, those are gay.
Japan keeps losing
>>535145606you make claims, based on your feels.But sales numbers say the opposite.
>>535145347I want a truck slightly larger than the ranger. And i dont wanna pay more than 20k. Its fucking rediculous.
>>535143001EV's are cheaper to manufacture than internal combustion cars. The only "EV" problem in that list that is true that doesn't apply to gas cars is the battery thing, which also isn't really true.
>>535138312>Things that were said in 2000>Things that were said in 1990>Things that were said in 1980Still seething Detroit can't compete
>>535137333To be fair, the previous US administration made it hard for them not to.
>>535137333People can barely afford regular cars so who the fuck is buying an EV? Hell I don't even have a license.
>>535145885>EVs have surpassed ICE car sales>19%
>>535145455They even offer them anymore. They have a few hybrids (not many), but no plug-in EVs.
>>535146355Searching for Hertz rentals in Austin Texas and just looking at what the site throws at me, the first 2 are hybrids and the first electric is 4th one the list.
>>535146153same with EU, everyone was shilling EVs and then pulled the rug under them, now they watch on as car companies implode
>>535141427>that does 400 miles easilyBullshit, for one, maybe if you drive 55 in a 65. And also that's bullshit because GM EVs have notoriously wear-prone battery packs made of substandard, Chinese cells. So in a year you'll get 150 peak. And try not to quick charge - that kills your battery with excessive heat lol.Come back in two years and tell us how great it's working out. You won't. You'll try to forget how badly you got bamboozled.
>>535145934Wish in one hand and shit in the other cause that’s not really possible.
>>535146884>get hit by car>everyone ignores himjapan is a country of bystanders
>>535147036Every Jap is a NPC with a preprogrammed routine. They don't behave like normal humans.
>>535147114>20 irrelevant posts crying about japanAre you a jeet that got deported or just a salty korean?
They didn't want to do it, car companies are basically at the mercy of government oversight. They have to play by the massive rulebooks countries keep coming up with to increase safety and lower emissions. Trust me if Detroit had their way they'd still be coming up with random cars to cram the same group of big displacement V8s in every year. It's cheap, it makes them look good, and they sold.
>>535137333No I love Honda. Great company. Hopefully they get back on track. They're one of the few car manufacturers still making economical coupes.>>535137668I bet!
>>535147235>Must defend grorious nipponLmao
>>535146564I was looking at Alamo for Las Vegas. Perhaps Austin hosts more homosexual conventions or something.
>>535137333Why the fuck would you buy a Honda when you can buy a Tesla? Hondas are for old people and broke spics. That does not appeal to working people with a functioning brain who understand technology.Car brands have their niche. They spend billions creating their brands. Then they try to break their own mold that they themselves have spent decades curating just to make a shitty knockoff of Tesla. That's why it doesn't work. That's why Ford failed too. They spent decades becoming the default redneck mobile for people who hate EVs and the environment in general. Then they made an EV. Fucking retarded. When you buy a Ford truck, you expect a fucking Ford truck. When you buy a shitty Honda, you expect a shitty Honda. Its really that simple.
Dunno why all the wannabe tough guys hate electric vehicles You can produce electricity in your backyard but you can't make gasoline or diesel by yourself If your car needs gas or diesel then you cannot use it without being a good boy, getting money and paying taxes
>>535145404Not gunna happen. I dont want your freedom restricting bullshit jew.
>>535137333not exactly a surprise.everyone is undercut by subsidized chink evs
>>535147581Not defending anything. You’re just shitting up the thread with your Japan obsession.
>>535147775/pol/ would be fine with an electric car if it had sensible features and wasn't overly expensive and didn't spy on you like crazy, it's just that nobody makes such a carlast thing people here want is some mobile fucking smartphone with AI driving features and other nitwit garbageanyway hydrogen is coming big time, this oil crisis has actually caused a big uptick in hydrogen vehicle sales in Japan, where they are on regular sale and have been for 20 years almost now
>>535145954>US is 6thWhat are the top 10?
>>535145871>>535145902>>535145930Is this spammer a chink or gook? Can't tell.
>>535138369Fuck anything with a turbo that isn’t supposed to be “sporty” or “luxury”. It is the single most nigger brained automotive engineering paradigm put into practice in the last 20+ years
>>535139183And MG! Still see those every once in awhile in Florida
>>535148036I'll believe it when I see it Nee cars have so much spying and unnecessary bullshit it's unbelievable. There must be an electric vehicle somewhere without all that bullshit. Producing your own electricity isn't particularly difficult so it would be cool to fuel your own vehicle
Tangentially related isn’t the SEC trying to change quarterly reports to only 2 a year to conceal this type of info? There’s some public comment thing about it I just saw
>>535137333Fuck EVs. Justice for Asimo.
>>535137333It's because EV tech and infrastructure isn't there yet and japense EVs can't compete with Chinese EVs.It's simple math, trump rolled back rules and regs, and mamnipulateed tarriffs, it fucked honda's aggressive investment in the worst car economt we've seen in a long time. But they have been reducing the quality of their "luxury" cars for a long time now, they were never going to make money best case they sell the same amount of cars. But they can't compete with BYD's prices, even in canada. A pure EV is always going to be a secondary car, if they want to hit new primary buyer they need hybrids, it was always absurd to invest billions in pure EVs, they lost billions because of their own hubris and stupidity. The only thing keeping them from going bankrupt is 3rd worlders buying their bikes.Toyota knew this and saved their asses because Toyota is actually fucking smart and knows shit. They survived the NA tariff apocalyse; They will survive the BYD apocalypse.
