Do you even realize how fucked we are? We are all going to be shitting in buckets.
Nobody on this board knows the meaning of this.
>>535142284We are only finishing the second leg up too.
>>535142589it means that the world at large doesn't trust America's to pay back it's debts
Says retarded schizo for 18th year in a row
>>535142284Oh, so i made it in time.Good
>>535142284>+0.05%
Yeah. Whatever the markets were hoping for from the Beijing summit, they didn't get it. Oil way up today. RBOB gas way up today.
>>535142284The stock market is at ATH. America is winning. You lost, tranny
>>535142875
>>535142284lol lmao
>>535142284It means orange man is an actual retard and we are all fucked.
>>535143063What is more likely is hedgies will buy them up, everything will inflate 2-3 times and your boomer elders will burn the equity on cancer meds.
>>535142284wait till we hit 5% lol >>535142589most of america doesn't know what it means
>>535142284There is only one thing propping up the economy: AI capex. If that fails, we are going to see 2008 on crack. Housing market will also fail and Fed will drop rates to near zero as unemployment soars. This is the same exact setup as 2007 when oil also spiked.
>>535143130the issue with the US is our problems are everyone's problems. There is really nowhere to escape the contagion of a US crisis and there certainly will be no source of leadership outside of the US to try to stem the bleeding. and within the US, leadership is a senile retard surrounded by Jews who will benefit from a collapse. Crash the country then buy up all of the devalued productive assets. Tale as old as time, one which played out in the east 35 years ago, within living memory.
>>535142284Line go up, all is good
>>535143219>hedgies will buy themYou guys need to quit saying this. They only did so because money was cheap, and now it's not, which is the point of this thread. They are not in the business of bagholding nor knife catching. They're evil, not stupid.
>>535143274>only one thing propping up the economy: AI capexThis anon gets it.
>high yields, le badoh sweet baby boy
>>535142589It's time to dump your bonds, nigger. All $1.5T of it.
>lol
>>535142589Yield goes up when note price goes down.
>>535142589it means that financial institutions think that the american economy is hot garbage
Housing market is far more leveraged and inter-leveraged (in far myriad different ways and mechanisms) than mid-2000s.
>>535142589Means the government cant get anyone to buy its debt notes
>>535142589>>535142621It means our president has no fucking clue what he is doing or actively trying to fuck the country up. This is worse than Biden because we are deeper down the rabbit hole and cash has dried up.
>>535142589In short, when the 10 year yield breaks past 4.5% and continues to climb despite a failing stock market it means the world no longer views US debt as a safe haven but as a liability. Then, as oil prices skyrocket and the cost of government borrowing goes nuclear the average American will face a brutal reality where their purchasing power evaporates and interest rates on everything from mortgages to car loans become unbearable.
>>535142284Orange man is bad. Orange man voters are stupid and ignorant. It really is that simple. No, the people that buy $100k truggs at 10% interest on 84mo loans do not understand bonds.
>>535142284Gee why is the world losing trust in mutts after starting multiple wars and threatening to invade NATO how can this be happening
>>535143901Looking forward to it. We deserve it.
>>535142284We are truly so fucked. We just broke through a trading channel that goes back like two years.
>>535143347and now everyone hates you fot not shooting the jews according to your constitution and boasting about your guns on internet instead
>>535143901Tough luck, raise the minimum iq to vote to 100 next time and don't let clowns in the white house, mutts
>>535142284I remember when Americans on /pol/ would dare other countries to "collect" on the US debt they held and even seeing America should just default. Americans don't even understand how national debt works.
>>535142284>he thinks he will own a bucket and not be subcribed to a bucket servicengmi
>>535143800Memeflag has the best succinct answer yet>Nobody is buying the debthttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690Yes it's a global debt-based economic model. All of the 'muh fiat' """printed""" into existence by a nation's sovereign treasury+central bank, every single individual note of that, has a corresponding bond that must be sold. That's the consequence of a worldwide debt/fiat currency based system:*Someone-some thing has to buy the debt (that is issued, infinitely).**And keep on buying it.* <--That is what keeps the debt aka bond market stable and reliable, keeps it being seen as a safe haven for assets. Debt market is not supposed to whipsaw up-down (like stocks or crypto), yields are supposed to remain stable, gently rising-falling: Not have the extreme volatility that the worldwide bond markets have had in the past half decade, that are worse and more extreme than in half a century. (And the world has many magnitudes greater total debt than in the 1960s)Thread from couple weeks agohttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/534172476
>>535143901people already distrust the US that's why bonds are going up independently of the stock market. i don't think anyone genuinely trusts the US stock markets either. everyone is secretly scared shitless that sleepy trump is going to do even more crazy shit (he will)
>>535142284call me when the 6 month treasury rises
>>535144696stock market gains are pretty pointless if the dollar is weakening, what's the point of the stock market going up by 6% if the dollar weakened 10% in the same time period? you're in 4% minus when converting back to your currency, the bonds and the stock market are aligned if you adjust for inflation and the weaker dollar
>>535142284Better stock up on toilet seats
>>535144323 Japan flag>national debtNot even what this is about. (although on a country-by-country basis yes obviously that's important)The world economic system is debt-based. Central banks issue debt note fiat currency as the global system's lifeblood.Unprecedented in human history until past forty years, the entire world all 160 nations now rely on a single 1 debt note fiat currency denomination as the global default reserve unit: UST/USDBecause of that, and the primacy of the global debt market as the sole underpinning of it, the entire world also relies, must rely, on the solvency of the U.S. treasury and UST. Everyone in every nation (no not just the 'biggest investors' in UST, everyone on Earth overall) we all have our fingers crossed that the U.S. treasury remains solvent.Today, fully half of the U.S. federal government's annual spending budget is instantaneously vacuumed up by Interest Payments on the debt, which now exceed annual discretionary spending.You all better hope the U.S. gov and its treasury remains solvent.When the global debt market goes, so goes everything with it
>>535144893>Unprecedented in human historynah, spanish did the same, and they defaulted on their debt too>You all better hope the U.S. gov and its treasury remains solvent.nah, you go down, and we laugh
>>535145093>3 pbtid cartoonFaggotNever in human history have all 160 nations on the Earth been dependent on a single currency denomination as the default reserve (let alone one that is backed by Nothing)(You) don't know what the fuck you're posting about animeLarpfagYes when the USD/UST goes, everything on Earth goes with it. Gone
>>535142284I will shit in a bucket every day forever before I allow Iran to threaten Israel with a nuclear weapon
>>535144893Solvency isn't a problem, they can print money.The problem is inflation and the price for the debt.Personally I think we need to drop rates aggressively, sever boomer entitlement inflation protections, and let inflation rip for like 5 years.Then the debt won't be an issue.
>>535144864the stock market is basically where the have-nots must put their dollars into if they are to beat inflation. the have-nots are the ones who are on the hook. at least until the music stops. mind you it's not like other currencies aren't mostly depreciating too. we are seeing real signs of a global recession
Thank God it's green
>>535145258>government will be forced to spend more on interest payments>money just to pay the interest on the money they already printed(as posted above) Annual Interest Payments on U.S. federal debt now exceed discretionary spending, and as everyone knows the U.S. Congress continually rubberstamps as they have for thirty years running $2 trillion spending bills every yearEvery year, fully half of the U.S. federal government's money spent goes to the credit card <whoosh> gone. And that credit-card-payment money itself was """"printed"""" into existence: tl/dr U.S. gov doesn't 'have' the money to begin withIt's a Debt-Based Economic Model.
>>535145513The modern day global late-stage capitalism engine is really just creditism. a hundred trillion dollars in made up money all over the world
>>535145182>retard amerimutt thinks the dollar is the first reserve currency>doesn't even know that it's named after the spanish dólarlmao not everyone is as ignorant and retarded like you mutts, we literally saw it happen 5 times through history, your empire dies, the next rises (china) and world keeps chugging along like always, you're not the center of the universe, or history, just another cycle that people will forget about in 50 years, learn your place muttoid boomer>>535145280except the stock market isn't even beating inflation, so what's the point lol, the current safe haven assets are gold and chinese bonds nowhttps://www.ft.com/content/72215587-4b6c-454c-85ff-6956132705d9?syn-25a6b1a6=1
>>535142284We'll bail you out again, so you'll forget all about it in 5 years
>>535142284mutt, pay denbts.
>>535145642if you are on the inside trading list you are definitely still making bank off the stock market. like barron trump
>>535144121Dude... it’s not something you can say so easily.... As these rates stay high, the government will be forced to spend more on interest payments than on its own military or social programs. Basically you are entering a death loop where the feds print money just to pay the interest on the money they already printed. For the average pleb this means your savings are getting incinerated by inflation while your cost of living hits orbit. You are not going to see some cool cinematic collapse where everything suddenly dies overnight.You are just going to watch your purchasing power slowly get ground into dust until the middle class is completely hollowed out.You guys should never have messed with Iran in the first place. At this point, the only realistic way out is to negotiate with Iran, accept its nukes and restore the Strait of Hormuz to its pre-war state of free navigation.Since America officially lost this war you should obviously be ready to pay massive war reparations too. It is the only choice you have left unless you want to keep watching your economy burn to the ground while you pretend you are still a superpower
>>535144266You mean no more women voters and brown male votes count as 1/3? Sounds good.
>>535145275Wrong. Read the thread.At present levels of spending (U.S. Congress all 535 of them rubberstamping $2 trillion-and-more-each-year, per year, the United States Treasury is headed for the Total Default brick wall in four years.The incoming administration's supply-side strategy, had been to get the U.S. annual GDP growth rate out of its current anemic ~2 percent into the 6 or 7 percent range. (As we know, this included re-shoring of manufacturing assets, immigration reform, tariff incentives to bring manufacturing industry back inside of the United States.) The supply-side strategy boost, of annual GDP growth from ~2 percent to 6 or 7, would only *just barely* keep the U.S. fedgov ahead of Interest Payments on the debt. As it's turned out, over the past year all of the 'stock market' boost has come from AI capex<--see ^^^^^upthread, and none of the Magnificent Seven """tech""" assets are going to bring Real GDP annual growth rate increase which in Q1 2026 forecast is coming in at around, wait for it: 2 percent.
>>535145738lol sure, just be one of donnie's cronies and you can beat inflation with market manipulation lmao
>>535142284All the suburban le fascists with their V8 trucks and 500K mortgage are fucked. It's the only reason I voted for trump.
>>535143656America is the best country on earth. We're #1.
>>535142284>he doesn't know recessions happen on a cyclengmi
>>535142626Shit for real? Did they really believe we could lol?The writing was on the wall back at $15 trillion
>>535145642You can't eat gold, and you cannot claim commodities if they cannot be shipped, used, or they are destroyed or stolen by an angry mob.The first world exists because we made layers of predictable rules and we honored those rules. It was a very good and stable system. But it was buitl on trust that everyone would cooperate and no one would try to torpedo the entire thing for their own personal gain. Then Trump showed up.Part of USAID funds went towards bribing officials of third world countries to do business in their markets. Because the only rule there is fuck you, pay me.What I'm saying is, you elect someone with the third world mentality (Trump), get the third world system collapse. Except the US is the centerpoint of the system. So literally nothing is safe. Not currency, not crypto, not gold, nothing.
>>535142284zoom out
Still waiting for the fallout of this bad boy.
>>535145635the post-1970s global economy is Financialized. All of the world's wealth today is generated from—no, not from 'labor', capital or 'work'—*speculative debt instruments* that never existed prior to the 1980s: derivatives, credit default swaps, CDOs, options, mortgage-backed securities (dozens of new confected ones invented each year)Phase 1 of global Financialization was completed in 1999 with repeal of Glass-Steagall, when the global investment banks officially became casinos.HNW entities, transnational corporations/their CEOs don't gaf about their own brand, product or output: Only thing they spend their profits on is shoveling it into buybacks of their own stocks to artificially boost valuations. The Money Delugehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."— Nick Dearden, quoted in the film '97% Owned'
How is this going to affect the price of frozen pizza?
>>535146183>Import 3rd world, become third worldFunny way of actually saying niggers and spics destroyed america
>>535145749I own my own water, food, and energy. I don't care about the useless eaters. Collapse is a good thing.
>>535146109hmmmnyo>>535146183cool reddit spacing, not gonna read your boomer copes though, nobody cares, you can die, we switch to yuan and the world goes on, go suck a nigger dick or something
This is good, it means the Treasury is trying to attract investors. Nobody but morons was buying 10 year t-bills which paid out worse than inflation.
>>535142284Money printer goes burrr tho
So, tell me this then, how do I make money off of this? Or at least not lose all my current money. I have around $500k in my brokerage account, and a little more in my 401k and checking account. There were people who came out on top during the 2008 crash, how did they do it?
>>535146394All that does is increase the Debt overall.Interest Payments aren't fake (try not paying them)
>>535142626Mostly, it just means investors expect the Fed will keep policy rates higher for longer
>>535146235>Assuming you will even have a pizza or freezer to put it in.You don't understand how bad this is.The 10year yield is going to new highs, at minimum we will test the 2023 Biden hell high.
>>535146386Inflation is inevitable at this point. Depression is not, unless we can't get rates down.
>>535146235In the US, mortgage rates are based on 10-year government bonds, so this is going to increase mortgage rates, meaning people will have less money over to buy frozen pizza with
>>535146447>How did they do itInsider trading
>>535146300>muh switch to yuanchecked, nothing is 'replacing' USD/UST cartoonBrainlet(You) are beyond clueless go back to /biz/Plebbit
>>535146263Who brought them here?
>>535146838>nothing is replacing the dólar/guilder/pound/dollar etcmhmmm, you're fotm mutt boy, the world is moving on
>>535142284oh noes a historically below average and still negative real interest rate!!! think of the wealthy rent seekers!!!
>>535142284Chat does this mean I should buy i-bonds?
>>535146848Jews.
>>535147052>7 pbtid toonTard(You) and /biz/Plebbit are 25-IQBrainlets
Wealthy American here, why is this my problem? Serious question, I don't understand
>>535142284Terrible for people that borrow Jewish money (browns).Great for people that don't (whites)
>>535146196As far as I could tell, over the past century or so, this is the longest it's been since a yield curve un-inversion and a subsequent recession. Usually it happens within about a year. Even without all the other factors at play that are adding systemic risk right now, we're living on borrowed time.
>>535146300you sound intelligent, what should I do to shield myself from the upcoming assfuckery? what should I be buying... or selling?
>>535146447Tbill maxxing.
>>535147287and you made 14 posts in the thread, what does that matter, why do glowniggers obsess about how many posts someone made, retarded reddit spacing glowniggers
>>535146447>There were people who came out on top during the 2008 crash, how did they do it?start by accepting you are very unlikely to catch the top perfectly. you can some premium to be pre positioned with options or option spreads or get paid to wait if you want to be a call writer (godspeed). Or you wait for the first drop and sell into the relief rally. Or you can wait until you think the cycle has played out and buy in at lower prices. In 2008 I sold puts near the bottom because IV was still high and I would own those stocks at the strike price anyway. I don't think I got assigned on any tho
>>535142589Yeah man, i'm half mexican i can barely do math
i only have like 150k saved up, wtf should I do with my fucking money?!?!?! help!!!
>>535147391>what should I be buying... or selling?Women
>>535147426>8 pbtidGo back toonTard
>>535147565It's never too late to tbill maxx.Interest rates can't go down anymore without crashing the entire economy.
>>535147426fedbots have post quotas to fill and de escalation ones as well
>>535147660(You) just responded to a fedbot
>>535147391dollar won't be worth shit soon, gold and silver might be good, but they carry risk as always, most investors now think that the market is too volatile and it's best to go for the safest bets, investing in stuff that's tangible, like a factory that makes toothpaste, or toilet paper, or soap, sure the return on it isn't high but it's safe, everyone needs to buy soap and toothbrushes, you might make 500x on nvidia stocks, but what if the ai bubble pops? what if your 5 million dollars can't buy a loaf of bread due to hyperinflation? if you want to just avoid getting assucked then simply the safest bets are the safest, if you own, or party own a factory that makes shampoo or whatever then you'll be safe regardless what happens to stocks, bonds, the dollar or gold>>535147660yeah I dunno why glowniggers do this>you made x posts! you posted!yeah, so what? that's how this site works, retard glowniggers
>>535142284Fake news no source for this chart, bonds are stable
>>535147213No, you can still largely invest in market indices; just avoid any kind of investments that have values tied directly to USD.so no meme coins, no US bonds, and definitely no options.Buy gold bullion, essentials (groceries, energy, high dividend firms) and shove 2+ years of savings into HYSA. Don't be caught with your pants down when shit hits the fan.
>>535147698try another talking point since you're paid to post anyway
>>535145260Based bucket shitter
>>535147766>Invest in soap or toothpaste lol I'm Hungarian I only know how to steal catalytic converters from Toyota Priuses.Heavy in tbills for safe consistent returns. Metals for medium risk higher yield.
>>535147766it's called sliding a thread
>>535143274It's going to be both. Dotcom+2007
GLOBAL GIGA NIGGA DEPRESSION 2.0Can it just happen already?
>>535147899>Heavy in tbills for safe consistent returnslol maybe in yuan, if you can get those, in dollars? hell nah
>>535147851>>535147901>Brazil flag 3 pbtid 'it's called sliding a thread'= (You)
>Anonymous (ID: X2EXvD/z) Hungary flag cartoonBitch 10 pbtidThis is a Paid Shill
>>535147981overnight lending rates went up since last month
>>535148025that's a based paid shill for you mr fedbot. you could never
>>535147948I'm waiting for TOTAL NIGGER MELTDOWN.fUCK Just one more police shooting psyop.Maybe we could rouse up the homeless junkie population in Portland and start heckin revolution, man.
>Anonymous (ID: AXrF5ovu) Brazil flag 5 pbtidThis is a Paid Shill,fistbumping the Hungary flag cartoonTard
>>535146774So people are buying PMs instead of bonds. Institutions too. What we need is about a 100 year deflationary period. Money needs to become worth something again. Or people will just flee to crypto, PMs, pokemon cards, etc.
>>535148231https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
>>535142284>The 30-year Treasury yield (^TYX) rose 10 basis points to reach 5.12%, its highest level since June 2007.Oh no, how could this be happening???
>>535142284This is how aipac de-fangs the US. Well this and wasting munitions in Ukraine.
>>535148401not via blackmailing a sitting president
>>535146547doesn't matter. interest rates could go to 0% and we wouldn't fair any better than 1980s Japan
>>535148329xi told trump to not fall into the lucytitties trap and trump said okay
>>535146848>>535147247>Muh heckin joozLeftists did. Yes some of those leftists are Jews. But the left brought them all here. Unchecked immigration is a huge threat to judiasm also.
I’m all in
>>535148686jews
>>535142589It means death to Jewmerica. Good.
>>535149072When the UST implodes so does entire world.
>>535149204some babylonians, egyptians and romans thought the same
Historically normal interest rates are around 6% but this is the first time since the near collapse that they've cranked them up this high. The fallout should be interesting.
>>535149253>9 pbtid Brazil flag fistbumping Paid Shill Disinformationalist>"muh empires of duhhh paaaaassst" durrrrrPNothing is comparable or analogous to 2026 / now.
>>535148686jews, women and women mentally adjacent*
>>535142284money is fake and gay, just add more zeroes to your bill
>equity markets set to correct with 4.5% long term yields>bonds likely still have maturity risk and could see another large shitcoin-tier drop for the second time in history after 2022 and pension funds loaded up on garbage>CAD is depreciated by 25-37% of where it should be>USD is rapidly becoming toilet paper and the chinks won't back it, Japan yen carry trade is rocky as fuck and breaking down>everything overvalued with shit EPS and P/E ratios, small caps underperformed in recent history, cap weighted index passive investor tard shit is way in bubble territory with retard moneySo whats the safe heaven?
>>535145093>>535145182Do the banking dynasty jews start releasing all the blackmail if the US defaults?Will the zogbots disobey the politicians if they are ordered to start outright plundering us?That would be quite entertaining.
>>535142284Shitting in bucket is not so bad if you have fence and neighbor's yard.
>>535149635especially not china, surely
>>535149812Safe haven?
>>535149812ammunition
>>535149932WRONG PARTIALISMERICAN.
>>535143274>There is only one thing propping up the economy: AI capexYeah, because (((you))) retards FOMO'ed all over it.
>>535143901>despite a failing stock marketThe markets are at all time highs...
>>535142626What can or what will the world do to get whatever debt they think we owe back? China alone has stolen trillions of dollars from us in the form of IP theft.
>>535146110This is the side-view of a downward spiral
>>535142284How do I capitalize on this upcoming misery?
>>535150095Chinamen really have no chill or all chill there is no in between.
>>535144602You dont know economics or finance
>>535142284Why did Biden do this?
>>535150100the US has stolen and wasted many more trillions on being "the world's police" only to elect a lunatic, lose to Iran for Israel and bootlick to China anyway lol. you honestly can't make this shit up
>oh no boomer 60/40 portfolios are rebalancing again>oh no rehypothicated fiat paper assets are being sold again
>>535150100what do you think current germany has been for nearly a century?>>535150130long how the yuan will be kept down compared to the dollar and the euro then take loans in dollars and euros and buy anything in china
>>535142284Nice try tranny the good times are just beginning to roll for men with real jobs I'm about to buy a new Cadillac CTS V myself
>>535150237can food still be bought for dollars though?
>>535142589U.S. debt is at 5% meaning we will have to pay more money to the banks just to have 40 trillion in debt. The currency of other countries is also hurting meaning the will sell U.S. treasuries to make up the difference of their currency declining and the percentage rate of bonds will continue to climb. It’s like a fiat debt spiral that once it begins it will get worse and worse until liquidation.
>>535142284>over 4.4it's time to release a new fauxios article about the imminent end to the war
>>535150216>1 pbtid memeflag 'hurrrrrrr durP slurrrrrp Snarf'
>>535142589>line go upthis is a good thing. right?
>>535150770and for you to fill in yet another form toohttps://augengeradeaus.net/2026/05/bundeswehr-droht-fragebogen-verweigerern-bis-zu-250-euro-bussgeld-an/
>>535149913>12 pbtid Brazil 35-IQ Brainlet paid shillbot HerpDerpChina depends on USD/USTyuan is a joke, as is BRICS (in the large scale of global debt payments)(You) like everyone on 4chan especially /biz/ and /pol/ have Zero Concept of how the debt-based global economic model operates. None At All Whatsoever
>>535150457There is a simple solution to this.AUSTERITY.If the U.S Federal Government cuts spending, raises taxes, and plunges the economy into a temporary recession... they can inflation and interest rates, allowing the FED to expand the monetary supply and monetize the debt without as much inflationary pressure. It will be painful, but it's worth it.
>>535151010and if it doesn't?
>>535142284Still >{Slop slop}Good for bondies....>Interest goes upI get more of em >Interest goes downValue goes up>{Slop slop}
>>535142284zoom in
>>535142284if bonds hit 7% (and they will) I will be buying. Daily reminder: all income from USTs is tax free.
>>535142284the 30year just exploded through resistance at 5%.yeah, 7% is on the way. Maybe higher. I honestly feel badly for Trump on this score. Just based on market fundamentals, Powell should have raised rates substantially under Biden. He didn't. He let this shit fester until it exploded. And it's about to explode.
>>535151228>all income from USTs is tax free.it's only free of state taxes
>>535150831>>535151228in 1981 it was 15% lol
>>535142748God do I ever miss Warren Buffett. I so hope he continues to write and share his sage and cherished advice. God bless you, Mr. Buffett. but yeah, sell stocks while you still can. Sell gold. Sell coppersell silversell, sell, sellThe dollar, BTC and bonds is where it's about to be.
>>535142284Sustaining lies and scams is difficult?
>>535151388France also can't print Euros.
How much would yields go down if Trump had a heart attack or died in a plane crash?
>>535151084Can't without old fuck welfare reform. That shit is pegged to inflation.
>>535149932Swiss francs
>>535151530>30 yr bondOP is the 10-yrWhat matters in tracking the yields, is (relative) volatilityi.e. the frequency of up-downs within a discrete/short timeframeAnd obviously, rapid upward spikes
>>535151718posting anything is crazyhttps://data.ecb.europa.eu/data/datasets/MIR/MIR.M.U2.B.L21.A.R.A.2240.EUR.N
>>535151629That's how much is only fans sub costs
>>535149913China is just equally fucked because they've been playing Chinese jew tricks with their economy for 20 years. Did you know that tax reforms in 1994 gave Beijing all of the countries city wide tax revenue and did not give the cities back anything? Oh and cities couldn't borrow from banks anymore. Beijing literally told them to figure it out and said fuck off. So how do these Chinese cities pay for schools, roads, everything else a city pays for?The cities in China started private corporations. They took city land, bundled it up together, used it as collateral and put it in the corporation. They then sold these land bundles to real estate developers like Evergrande who built real estate. This was a giant infinite money glitch for China, it's why they're economy grew 8% a year for 2 decades. The problem is, land is finite and the population is shrinking. Also, all these loans the cities made were off the books. Beijing has no fucking clue who made what deals cause...it's China...and everyone is trying to zen jew each other. Some people say there's up to 10 trillion in debt that's not been officially added to China. That's why they initiated a 1.4 trillion buy back plan over 4 years to buy the debt for these loans and get them off the cities hands. Problem is, there's no way of tracking down all of them, so it's still a major problem. Also, pretty soon, you're going to have Chinese cities that are broke nationwide and real estate developers going bust. Not good when 1/4 of the Chinese economy is in real estate development. TL/DR: China jewed themselves hard
>>535142284The 30 year treasury today is the highest since 2007. Daddy Trump usually shits himself when panic grips the bind market.
>>535151939>China is just equally fuckedwhich is why trump is literally there right now. also nice spacing
>>535151852That's why I've suggested the first thing I'd do if I had the power of the Federal Government is to UNPEG social security from inflation... and then continue monetary expansion via QE (debt repayment via printing money essentially)... let inflation reach 2-3% while SS is capped and overtime it will wither away the entitlement state.
>>535151939Fuck off, Gordon Chang.
>>535151897>10-yrThe 10 yr chart looks the same as the 30. Sorry, sweetpea librul.
>>535142589idc accelerate
>>535151084Totally wrong, one reason...boomer entitlements.The ONLY solution is to let inflation rip for like 5-10 years, AND cut boomer entitlements.
>>535152150>waste scarce time chasing infinitely printable digits goy
>>535151852>Can't without old fuck welfare reform. That shit is pegged to inflation.yes you can because the problem is entirely in medical spending and it's a cost problem that will never fix on the payment side anyway
>>535152242That's what I'm saying, either cut boomer entitlements, or if that's not possible, monetary expansion while keeping SS payments fixed so they're cut in real terms.
>>535152286No, it's not. SS is bigger than medicare.
>>535151545sell stocks weekly to but an ounce or gold or two. Gold does not have counter party risk. And the counter party risk is jews, niggers, jeets, and retards.
>>535152242I think maybe you should kill yourself kike.
>>535151939>China is just equally fuckedInvestors don't seem to think so
>>535142284I'm already depressed, broke and can't find work. Like I give two shits what happens to this country.
>>535151388more indians and africans to increase GDP
>>535152337We should have done the Australia style privatization Bush wanted. Instead, we pay them more than any country, especially the independently wealthy that need it the least.
>>535150098that was also true on march 10, 2000
>>535142589this is how elite kikes feast on the corpse of a once mighty empire.
>>535151799Anyone actually paying attention to the economy is praying for Trump to collapse on the presidential toilet or fall down some presidential stairs or something. It's genuinely the only way this fatal wound can miraculously be reduced to simply a severe one. but he will live to be 102 and we are all so fucked.
>>535142284
>>535152436Oh, but things can get so much worse. Look at Russian living standards collapsing between 1991 and 1993.
>>535151530No wonder, because at the time, the Fed hiked policy rate to 19%, to combat inflation which was running at 10.3%
It appears the bond curve is healing, the inversion a memory.
>>535152382you need to include Medicaid too as it's a bigger problem than Medicare and that isn't old people. SS is fixable with minor tweaks as it runs a small current deficit. CMS (Medicare/Medicaid) runs a massive over 50% deficit.
>>535152455We should have gotten rid of SS entirely, an individual can deal with retirement themselves.
>>535152605All three of them need reform. SS is just the biggest, and most egregious imo.
>>535152436an unemployed furry poster, omg send me your resume! im sure you are a sure bet
>>535152388It's literally the only way to save the country.
>>535152654giving old people a small payment based off of money they put in while working is far less egregious then giving money to scamming browns which is what Medicaid is
>>535152613One option i propose is to create social clubs that ensure their older members are taken care of. However, they won't work if you're forced to allow blacks and women in the club.
>>535143656>the american economy is hot garbageTrump does keep saying that America is the hottest country. I was never really sure what he meant, but that makes sense.
>>535152403anon you got the mechanism exactly backwards. low yields on chinese bonds don't mean investors think china is fine. they mean investors think china is so fucked they're pricing in deflation and zero growth for the next decade.think about it. why would you lock up money for 10 years at 1.75%? only one reason: you think inflation will be at or below that, and you think there are no better opportunities, and you want capital preservation over returns. that's not a vote of confidence, that's investors hiding under the bed.japan had 10y yields under 1% for 20 years. nobody looked at that and said "wow japan is crushing it." it meant the economy was in a coma. low yields are what a deflationary debt trap LOOKS LIKE on a chart.also remember, the chinese bond market isn't free. the PBOC and state banks buy massive amounts to suppress yields and keep LGFV refinancing costs manageable. it's a managed market. you cannot read it the same way you read a US treasury auction where actual price discovery happens.real signs investors think china is fucked:capital flight - rich chinese have been smuggling money out for years, hence vancouver/sydney/toronto real estate pricesyuan keeps weakening, PBOC burning reserves to defend itFDI into china collapsed to 30 year lows in 2024foreign holdings of chinese equities dropped massivelyproperty sector still bleeding, evergrande/country garden/sunac all blew upyouth unemployment so bad they stopped publishing the number~$9 trillion in hidden LGFV debt that nobody can even properly account fora low yield in a managed market with capital controls isn't bullish. it's the symptom of a deflationary spiral the CCP is desperately trying to print their way out of without admitting it.
>>535152613They won't. The lower classes won't save unless you force them to.
>>535152791The counter argument is that China doesn't have inflation because inflation outside China was artificially created by western oligopolies taking advantage of weaker players exiting various markets during the COVID shock, and China didn't have that problem of "a mature market segment going from 5 dominant sellers to 3" problem due to it being the factory of the world and home to all the OEM manufacturers for everything.
>>535152827Then let them go broke. I'm a Liberal Democrat and I'm all about helping the working class, granting tax cuts to working poor families, expanding opportunity for poor people to get better jobs, and helping the unemployed become employed...But if someone is given their own money back and they choose not to invest it, they deserve to be impoverished in their old age.
>>535152701>smallWe pay them well in excess of what any other country does at the high end. This was partially ameliorated by lumping all retirement income together and taxing it, until Trump further enshrined boomer luxury communism earlier this year.Medicare and Medicaid, I think should end as part of a broader universal healthcare reform (although I'd prefer a system more like Austria or Japan than Canada or the UK).
>>535153037This is why I prefer the Australian privatized model, which forces them to contribute to IRAs.
>>535142284It's making me rich
>>535153018ok that's actually a real take and not retarded for once so i'll engageyou're partially right. western inflation 21-23 was absolutely juiced by oligopoly pricing power. corporate margins fucking exploded during covid, kc fed published papers on it. meatpackers, shipping, chip makers all used supply shock as cover to jack prices way past cost increases. greedflation was real and china's fragmented manufacturing base did dodge that bullet.but that doesn't get china out of the deflation hole. it means the diagnosis is different. and it's worse.if it were just "we avoided fake oligopoly inflation" you'd see flat prices. instead:CPI bouncing between -0.8% and +0.5% for 2 yearsPPI negative for ~30 straight monthsproperty prices down 20-30% from peak in tier 1 citiesreal estate is 70% of chinese household wealththat's not absence of greedflation, that's demand collapse. consumer goods, factory gates, and assets all falling at the same time. textbook debt deflation. fisher wrote about this exact pattern in the 30s.and the causes have nothing to do with western corporate behavior:population started shrinking in 2022youth unemployment hit 21% before they stopped publishing the number kekmiddle class net worth got annihilated by the property crashcommon prosperity crackdowns scared every entrepreneur shitlesszero covid trauma turned everyone into hoardershousehold savings rate at record highs because nobody trusts tomorrowfactory of the world cope also misses the point. being the supplier doesn't save you when your own people stop buying. china's whole model was LGFV debt builds infrastructure, migrants buy apartments, exports fund the carry. property leg snapped in 21, LGFV leg snapped in 23, only exports left and trump is tariffing those too.your argument explains why china didn't import western inflation. it doesn't explain why prices are falling.
>>535143274>AI capex. If that fails, we are going to see 2008 on crack.And opex is propping me up. Got a $250,000 remote AI job. Should fed cut rates to help me out?
>>535147807HYSAs are paying less than 3.5% now
>>535152150>4 pbtid muh chart(You) have know idea what you're posting aboutNone of this topic is about 'reading charts'It's about what the numbers mean, how the system functionsRE: bond yields, it's about response times-rates(not 'muh number goes up' or aka Trump: 'look at the stawk mkt')4chan = idiocy
>>535142284>Meaningless line on graph went up holy shit we are fucked dudes!Literally buy a piece of land in the middle of no where, grow crops, get animals, get a wife and have sex and kids, be happy, the end. FFS bunch of pussies
>>535153153other countries still have pension plans. if you make even average money SS is a guaranteed loss for you personally. It's already a tax so taxing the receipt of it is a tax on a tax, I'm fundamentally against that. I'd rather it be a true national pension or fuck even just forced treasury bond investment than what it is now but it was always supposed to be a pure social benefit, and it can run revenue neutral with fairly minor tweaks like higher income cap, better means testing whatever. Medicare/Medicaid are complete dumpster fires that are literally bankrupting the government and they can't be fixed without ending the cartel behavior and fraud in the entire medical industry.
>>535153666wishing for collapse doesn't make it so, nor does praying to your kike on a stickim pointing out the economy and GDP to debt ratio was worse in the 70s, 80s, 90si know i lived through it even tho u zoomers think it was the golden age
>>535153916here -1 redditor
>>535142589It means you can't pay your loans back.
>>535142284I disagree. Fed rates were held artificially low for too long; and created a mess of worthless debt and inflation to show for it.Increased rates means that money is more cautious, less likely to be thrown away willy-nilly; and far more likely to be spent in anticipation of real (not imaginary/inflationary) income
>>535153886>medical industryDefinitely a gigascam, and the source of perhaps half the U.S. domestic debt / Interest Payments of the past half centuryAdd in : the Food / Ag industrial complex and garbage mass food products that cause most of the medical conditions
>>535153916>>535153986>herp derp Plebbitard
>>535142284>Do you even realize how fucked we are?>we are>WENothing's happening to me and you have AIDS, faggot
>>535154015>money is more cautiousAt almost $40 trillion U.S. national debt and rising by $2T+ per annum it's a bit late for that.Market-to-market framings and "three years from now it'll be a different cycle/dynamic" were for the 80s and 90s
>>535154105i said what i said
>>535153229No, because then they'll have money in retirement. If they aren't willing to do it they should be completely broke in their old age. They should have nothing, absolutely nothing.
>>535154028>Definitely a gigascam, and the source of perhaps half the U.S. domestic debt / Interest Payments of the past half centuryI don't know if this is still true but a couple of years ago I saw numbers run that showed the entire federal deficit could be fixed by simply stopping the gov from paying for any treatment of type 2 beetus.
>>535154279(You) need to go back to Plebbit
>>535151084Cutting spending is not possible in any meaningful way without uproar. Americans all have guns and if people suddenly can’t afford food or buy food with food stamps they are going to take it from others. There is also no sign they plan on cutting anything, as anything cut today just gets thrown into the military budget.
>>535154309seems plausible
>>535142284Ohh noo this is gonna be really bad for them in India lol
>>535154182Ken Meeks ill.
>>535154242but that entire graph proves my point. Ever since WW2 the US has gone further and further in debt using the mistaken argument that spending more now will be paid back later.It hasn't. The only way to dig out of this hole is by being financially responsible. More irresponsibility won't fix it
>>535146183>Then Trump showed upTop kek. This has been happening for decades before Trump.
A dim room lit only by the blue glow of a monitor. Empty soda cans and crumpled fast-food bags form a defensive perimeter around a collapsing desk chair.IGNATIUS (20s), wearing a grease-stained sweatjacket that strains against his massive torso, sits with his hands hovering over a mechanical keyboard like a mad organist. He sports a wispy, unkempt neckbeard and a green hunting cap pulled low over his brow.He slams a meaty fist onto the desk, rattling a pile of plastic figurines.IGNATIUS(Bellowing at the screen)By all accounts of historical decay, the modern world should have imploded by Tuesday afternoon! Yet here I sit, staring at a functional electric grid! The utter lack of a cataclysmic societal collapse is an absolute affront to my delicate constitution!He violently scrolls through a 4chan board, his breathing heavy and wheezing.IGNATIUS(Cont’d)Look at these pagan degenerates on my screen! Not a single one possesses a proper appreciation for medieval theology or the sublime structure of early Christian geometry! A total absence of piety! Where is the holy order? Where is the communal penance? Instead, I am forced to exist in a godless wasteland where my mother expects me to secure what she calls a "part-time job" at the local car wash!He clutches his chest, gasping as if struck by a physical blow.IGNATIUSThe sheer, unadulterated cruelty of it! That a mind as gargantuan and intellectually refined as my own should be forced to labor for mere survival currency! It violates the very laws of natural aristocracy!He spins his chair toward a pile of unwashed laundry, addressing an imaginary audience.IGNATIUS(Cont’d; voice trembling with rage)And for what? To support a system that hoards billions in the coffers of grotesque plutocrats? These billionaires—these tech-baron philistines who lack any semblance of classical taste—flaunt their yachts while I am denied the basic, fundamental right to a state-subsidized, traditional maiden!
>>535142284>>535142589Doesn't this happen ever year?I remember posts about crossing a line or something.
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>>535154329>Cutting spendingFederal gov spending and budgets are controlled by U.S. Congress. Many people (mostly conservatives) for decades have gone on and on about the entitlements/nondiscretionary, and that's obviously a concern, but the real ultimate problem is that Congress controls the purse strings. That's their main job: to approve and control what fedgov itself, spends.They have shown zero interest in doing that ('left' or 'right' side of the aisle, Pepsi Party v. Coke Party). All Congress does, ever, is increase the federal budget. And of course, a lot of this is lobby / K Street / corporate-caused and -influenced, as gravy train pork.As explained ^^^^upthread the Interest Payments on the debt itself instantly suck away half of each new year's $2T budget.It's the U.S. Congress approving the ever-increasing budget spending, that then necessitates (for *money they do not even have* to 'spend') the nation's sovereign treasury+central bank acting in tandem to increase the total Debt load, with Interest Payments, onto the backs of American citizens.
>>535142284I'd be worried when store shelves are empty and people are foraging for food.
>>535146447Physical silver coins.
>>535142589>Pay denbts
>>535142284We had to nuke the economy to end the a certain crisis and also find a way to basically 0 their birth rate in their homelands... A necessary sacrifice. Civilization should totally be destroyed entirely over the Great Replacement full stop
>>535142284It was higher a couple years ago and nothing happened
>>535154551>More irresponsibility won't fix itOh totally agreed.And see -----> : >>535154738Read post >>535145837 upthread about approaching Total Default of U.S. treasury
>>535153886Means testing SS would involve a lot more administrative bloat for little gain. But the max SS payout is ~30% higher than the equivalent in other countries to those that least need it. The reason it was taxed was to avoid the bloat of means testing it. You just combined all your retirement income streams including SS and called it a day. It's not about paying the government back, it's about making it easy with multiple income streams from both government and private sources.Fixing Medicare and Medicaid basically requires a reform of the US Healthcare system in its entirety.
>>535154829>nothing happenedSVB happened.Toxic leveraged assets are more prevalent in magnitude with each passing hour, all of the system is interleveraged debt instruments.
>>535154551financial responsibility = a crash and the powers that be (aka, rich people and rich politicians) can't ever let that happen. a crash would be greatly beneficial to normal Americans (we have no real assets or wealth generally) but it would absolutely destroy them.so instead they are eeking every possible dime they can in order to kick the can down the road longer.
>>535154971>crash would be greatly beneficial to normal AmericansThis has never been true ever in human history.
>>535154971A crash would only be beneficial on a theoretical level. Realistically society is way to unstable - everyone is schizo and on meds. A crash will likely lead to even worse exploitation.
>>535142284>We are all going to be shitting in bucketsFree yourself from big sewer/big septic. Composting toilets are the future.
>>535154971>>535154996when the debt market implodes it is a global eventThat's why all the >U.S. collapses? GOODposts are not comprehending what the global debt market imploding actually means.When the UST goes, the entire global debt-based system goes. That's it that's all
>>535155230That meme is the dumbest shit i've ever seen
>>535155270Only because you're too dumb to get it.
>>535142284I hope everything collapses yes
>>535154954>SVB happened.SVB seems like the Spirit Airlines of banks.
>>535155270>9 pbtid memeflagThe global system is a debt-based economic model. That means, not just debt/loans: currency system is entirely debt notes.Backed by nothingfrom the Latin>crederemeaning 'to believe'
>>535155230>posts are not comprehending what the global debt market imploding actually means.they have the mental maturity of a highschooler living (not so) blissfully ignorant of the truth
>>535155230They're just going to end up at the bottom of the totem pole of a much poorer world. Like 90s Russia.The accelerationist tantrums are delusional resentment.
>>535155230Fuck off kike it needs to collapse. It’s rotten and evil.
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>>535155354All the airlines run on the thinnest margins of any major corporations/businesses.Not to mention the myriad leveraging.The modern global economy is like a gigantic Jenga tower.
>>535155415Posts from Chelyabinsk c.1991
>>535155343No because I'm not stupid enough to compare actual money to monopoly money>>535155373>backed by nothingIt's not backed by nothing
>>535142284Prepare for Boomer stonk toilet paper fallout. Boomers about to get gaped. Especially if we have another plandemic. No real persian deal in sight. Cheetos-n-queef did not have to listen to the long noses. He chose to suck off bubbi instead of the gayatollah. The old adage appears to be true with jews you lose. It will forever be an Ep stain on history.
>>535155394>if you don’t like hyperinflating fiat debt jew pyramid scheme economics u must be an immature high schooler! Found an actual roastie in the wild!
>>535155230>>535155270>>535155343Why single out the USD?What would make the ruble, rupee, CAD, Euro, or yen worth anything?
>>535155415>needs to collapse>It’s rotten and evilGlobal central bank-controlled debt based system is, indeed.
>>535155230>your beliefMine and a billion other people's, all who need to eat and pay taxes.
>>535155557They are all valuable currencies.
>>535155506>10 pbtid memeflagGo back to plebbit, brainlet.>>535155557>'single out'Did (You) read the thread?
>>535155614You're an economically illiterate uneducated hick
>>535155479>globohomo jew shill has a list of random Russian places ready to go to accuse organic Americans of hailing from Lmfao. You NAFO trannies have an abysmal track record.
>>535155606>memeTardflagAll/each debt note fiat currency is valueless.
>>535155669Give me all your "valueless" fiat currency debt notes then
>>535155637>memeflag(You) = ESL illiterate Brainlet plebbitard incel
>>535155557The dollar got singled out because it's the most well known fiat. Neither of the currencies you've mentioned have any inherit worth.
>>535155564It was the globohomo jews who built that so yes
>>535155645Normal citizens ate total shit as the Soviet financial system collapsed in 1992, we're talking 2000% inflation. A currency collapse sodomizes the common man far harder than the elites who own assets.
>>535142284usa deserves it for letting israel and pedo euroaches fuck everything up. hope little microdicked wybois get fucked
>>535155568That's why it's called the central bank prison.
>>535142589to the proles it means mortages is fucked
>>535155752Debasement and currency collapses happened under specie. Fiat isn't the problem.
>>535155714That's what many of us here are unironically doing.We're giving away the valueless fiat currency for valuable physical silver coins.
>>535142284also incel chuds voted for it, begged for it, gooned for it, and gaped for it. try getting a ged you might learn something
>>535155795> A currency collapse sodomizes the common man far harder than the elites who own assets.It’s already been happening since 1972 and nothing has ever changed or been done differently, regardless of who we voted for. Acceleration until it collapses is the only way out apparently. Not our problem. We’ve already lost everything even our people and nation. Might as well lose the evil fiat system too
>>535155847Fiat is the problem because you can just easily print more.
>>535155755checked,look up these search terms in archive.4plebs>central bank>financializationEveryone itt watch this (and 'The Money Deluge' ^^^ upthread):97% Owned — How is money createdhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by producing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."— Nick Dearden, quoted in the film '97% Owned'
>>535154695no it just uniquely happened last year because king migger launched liberation day tariffs. Before that it happened in 2007
>>535155847> Fiat isn't the problem.>it just makes the scale and intractability of the problem infinitely worse! Shalom moishe. Is it Shabbat in Tel Aviv yet?
If gold is so valuable, why aren't there more currencies backed by it?
>>535155795>A currency collapse sodomizes the common man far harder than the elites who own assets.this time the world.Normies can eat shit and die for all I care. If dumb faggots who spent all their money on nintendo and funko pops end up sucking dick under a freeway because the (((dollar))) collapses, fine. I'll laugh. Me and mine will be fine>>535155919picrel
>>535156006No, debt and monetary crisises happened more often and more severely under species. It's not a silver bullet for sound fiscal policy.
>>535156001It’s been happening off and on with regularity since 2007 retard.
>>535155813awe, what happened? gibsmedat begging bowl economics ain't working for you little bitches? you even had immigrants doing all the work, so all you circumcised little microdicked wybois had to do was run around on your gibsmedat electric scooters. hell, even china made everything. all you had to do was pay for it to be shipped over with your stolen indigenous loot. still couldn't do it. it weren't fair fuh yuh wuzzit cletus? you had world reserve status, but it taint far fer yeh? aaawwweee...now it's all going away. lmao. now you want to vomit everywhere and shit everywhere, throw over the board, cuz your broke little microdicked bitch ass little bitch can't handle reality? lmao. kys.
>>535156026Because then it's harder to steal the bread from people's mouths and their homes from out under them.
>>535156001A simple search shows it was between 4.6% to 4.9% in 2023, 2024, and early 2025.https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y
>>535142284As if anyone understands government bond auctions. But yeah, the drop in demand for USD investments isn't a good sign for you.
>>535142284It means nobody wants your bonds and inflation will go up further? Not a surprise.
>>535155919>Giving up real money for worthless metal.Ok.
>>535156077>debt and monetary crisises happened more often and more severely under speciesYet still caused by bankers and speculators hoarding gold or grain, manipulating markets to steal wealth without labor or creation. Printing just makes it easier since you dont have to physically move heavy bars of metal to fuck over the economy to your benefit.
>>535156077They’ve happened with regularity my entire life here. I want a currency backed by something real, not evil jew magic and promises. Somehow, in systems backed by something real, the common man has an incredible amount of opportunity and the banks not so much.Crazy how that works huh
>>535155977Controlling printing and interest rates with fiat allows for soft landings impossible under specie. It's generally good. Shiny rocks won't make governments borrow less or make unsustainable programs.
>>535155795>A currency collapse sodomizes the common man far harder than the elites who own assets.and those elites usually know first and run off with their hard assets while the commoners eat it>>535155847I'm probably one of the few that agree with you here. Specie is no panacea and there were plenty of shaninigans under specie regimes too, hell gold receipts are the origin of fractional reserve banking. The ultimate problem is unbacked credit emission which can happen under any monetary system and is functionally equivalent to counterfeiting and is ultimately a rule of law issue.
>>535156226Way to show you've never even looked at silver or gold coinage, because the typical production pieces also are legal tender with a face value.
>>535156275>Shiny rocks won't make governments borrow less or make unsustainable programs.but it allows private citizens to protect themselves from bankers games
>>535156168> But yeah, the drop in demand for USD investments isn't a good sign for you.It’s great for us goyim men and White men. We get some opportunities out of a crash, while the fat cats lose bigly. We don’t care, we don’t like them. Never have.
>>535156221This doesn't say much about inflation. Rather, it suggests low demand for USD investments, which could indicate lower demand for USD, which in turn could indicate less international trade being conducted in USD.
>>535156275True but we blew past any soft landing in 2008. Fiat also gives you the ability to delay any landing but make it more catastrophic later.
>>535156408>Fiat also gives you the ability to delay any landing but make it more catastrophic later.>make it more catastrophic laterthis
>>535156281>ultimately a rule of law issueIt is beyond that. Central banks control every government top-to-bottom.Yes central banks—not governments—rule the Earthformer Prime Minister explaining what-who actually controls their country (no, it isn't the government):https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/522930520
>>535156281> and those elites usually know first and run off with their hard assets while the commoners eat itWhy is it you globohomo jew fools are so difficult to reach? None of us care. We are the commoners who have been eating it for decades already. None of this will really be a change of scenery for us. We will enjoy watching people we hate lose everything and become destitute though. Absolutely
>>535156370> but it allows private citizens to protect themselves from bankers gamesOy vey cool it with the antisemitism goy
>>535156100>memeflagchecked
>>535156469That’s why smart anons have known for years it’s over when the crash comes. It’s fine, maybe we’ll have something resembling a country again.
>>535142589Historically when a country goes bankrupt there's a high chance it's gonna chimp out against everyone else like Napoleonic France and Nazi Germany
>>535156374>>535156539I hope it turns out the way you imagine. When it really does happen, you'd better be well prepared. You'll then realize how much of your daily life depends on imports that you'll no longer be able to afford.
>>535156560>Oy vey cool it with the antisemitism goy
>>535155795>currency collapse sodomizes the common man far harder>>535156281It's not the currency collapse or hyperinflation doing that though. In principle it affects everybody's currency holdings equally, while other stores of value may rise or also drop in value, based on their nature and demand, as in: certain stocks are also likely to crash or businesses to go bankrupt, while housing prices at minimum won't increase in real terms because nobody can afford to buy that shit, and rents could also drop accordingly.What's different is that the elite knows when to gtfo, and can afford to diversify their holdings, or may even cause or amplify the hyperinflation to begin with, since it's also interest based and can function much like a bank run.>richfags gtfo>bank goes broke
>>535156499Thank God for that. Left to their own devices, putting the power of independent central banks in the hands of retarded slopulists would lead to the most retarded bailouts and gigaprints you can imagine. Central banks offer sanity, offramp, and soft landings. The people and politicians are retarded and think money grows on trees, and will take the worst decisions until beaten with a stick by bonds markets.
>>535156665>a countryRead the thread. When the UST aka global debt market implodes, it's not solely just a "collapse-of-U.S." issue.
>>535142284Yield Curve Control is inevitable and with it $20k gold.
>>535145642this. reminder that the british empire was far more powerful globally at its peak in 1890. just look at that shithole today
>>535156699>u’ll be sorry goy just u wait! No. I really don’t care. No one does.
>>535156699checked>You'll then realize how much of your daily life depends on imports that you'll no longer be able to afford.All luxuries and heavy industry? sure. You're correct. Caloric independence is the most based thing any anon can do. I will be warm, secure, fed and watered. I dont care if I cant buy plastic crap or electronics.>>535156751i despise you on a spiritual level
>>535156398You're right inflation would be mainly a secondary consequence of the same or related issues causing loss of interest in bonds, but mostly basically>demand low, value go down
>>535156795>memeflagthe Pound was never global default reserve (debt note fiat) currencyAs the system is founded todayThere's zero precedent, parallel or comparison of this 2026 situation and global system, with anything in the history of human civilization. None whatsoever
>>535156881The feeling is mutual, Peronist scum
>>535142284Glad I didn’t waste my life being a wagecuck.
>>535157176I look forward to the state losing it's monopoly on violence
>>535155543>hyperinflating fiat debt jew pyramid scheme economicsbut trumpies love this. it's everyone else who dislikes it
All you had to do was be less greedy and stop borrowing money but you jewed out.
>>535153446china does not need to cater to banks, moshe. it's why the us president went there
