Why do russians whine about this nigga so much
because they already whined about everything else in the entire universe
>>535152232>Why do russians whineThat's just how russniggers are.
Can someone non-Slavic give me an actual, non-biased rundown on Bandera?
>>535152232Bandera wanted to create an independent Ukraine and was willing to ally with nazis against communists. Quite based if you ask me.Also Poland is salty about the Volhynia massacre, but to be fair it was a time period where everyone was killing the Polish so it's not really a big deal.
>>535153098https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_BanderaIt's not something that can be explained in one sentence, my fat brown American friend.
>>535152232Polecucks praise him lmao
He was a dysgenic faggot who got off on killing people. Thats it.
>>535152232Poles are far more butthurt, and for good reason lol. This guy being the only actual national hero hohols have is all one needs to form an opinion about them as a people.
The man himself is as relevant as Dugin. A deadend failure of history. Both he and Zelensky are traitors who thought selling out westward was the right play, only to achieve Ukraine's decimationBut if you want to understand why his cult of personality frustrates Russia... do you have a younger sibling or a beloved cousin/nephew? Imagine you grew up with someone, went through hardship with them, your best friend basically. Kin. But after growing up and touching base again, you realize they went down a very different path. They act like they don't know you, like you didn't both come from the same place, like they're better than you. Who even are you anymore? Is this because you started dating that NAFO chick? She doesn't even care about you!
>>535153117He wanted Ukraine as an independent Fascist state akin to Mussolini or Franco’s from what I gather but Hitler wanted Ukraine as Lebensraum for Germans to live in and replace the Slavs. He was a total useful idiot.
>>535153414That analogy is not very accurate.In 1932-1933 there was a genocide of Ukrainians called holodomor where 2 million were starved to death in a communist orchestrated famine.>Imagine if you had a beloved cousin. One day you decide to starve him hoping he dies. Then a decade later he rebels against you.
>>535152980>Poolish fantasy
>>535153414See the thing is that unlike slavs I dont feel its my god given right to control or dictate terms to my family members. If this theoretical cousin or whatever wants to do their own thing I let them. I mind my own buisness and improve my own life.
>>535155229Weird to genocide a population you literally invented a decade prior, especially since said population didn't even live in the most affected regions of said "genocide." The areas worst affected by the famine in the early 30s were southern Russia, the northern Caucasus and the majority Russian southern and eastern Ukraine. This whole holodomor nonsense is still the most effective piece of Ukrainan propaganda ever conceived, they managed to appropriate a famine that affected tons of different ethnic groups and claimed it for themselves by inventing a genocide.
>>535152232He was a complete German dog that sold himself out to the nazis with empty promises of independent Ukraine (Germans saw them as subhuman slavs anyway and burned whole villages down with plans of spinning them out in the future), he openly promoted ukros to kill the jews (most of jews in Ukraine were killed by ukros themselves m, Germans didn't even have to do anything) and organized a wild genocide against Poles, with millions of pleb ukros randomly raiding and ripping civilian poles to pieces (literally, you can look up wolynia massacre in how subhumam ukros were in their genocide, nazi Germans and soviets were civilized angels compared to them) as a show of "independence". In short, he was a useful retard for germans, after the war Russians decided to reward them for this by giving Ukraine Lwów region, and the whole national movement in Ukraine nowadays celebrates Bandera as the heroic hero.
>>535155864They were propped up by corrupt historians like Robert Conquest. Keep in mind this was during the Cold War where the US needed to have informants inside the Soviet Union. The entire genocide myth of holodomor was basically an attempt to create a context through which anti communist forces were to create fractures within the Soviet union as a way to break it up from within. Brezinski doctrine mind you.
>>535156404>raiding and ripping civilian poles to pieces (literally, you can look up wolynia massacre in how subhumam ukros were in their genocideHow true is this? Heard this many times, but how bad was it really? All the shit I read about Wolyn sounds exaggerated, but idk. Why would people be this cruel to random people all of a sudden? And what did they even have against poles anyway?
>>535155676> he typed, living in the Goku State that brutally put down its only brother 150 years agoSure 'bout that?
>>535152232They are very jealous because they never had a selfless nationalistic leader of their own.
>>535152232He's the cause of total zigger deathThey're not seething enough
>>535157789Also truth nukeIdk what you guys do, but it's pretty silly nowadays with all this Mossad stuff
>>535153098In WWII he was against being a Soviet slave AND against German liberation so we did the only right thing and put him and his followers in a KZ in 41 until 44 when the Soviets knocked on the door again.Many ukrainians see him as his founding father while also sucking Nazi Germany cock at the same time.Idiotic founding nationalism for aade up people and made up nation (Germany created Ukraine in 1918)
>>535152232He makes it impossible for them to lie to the world about Ukrainians loving Russia and wanting to be a part of it. Russians want to be loved, but they act like selfish assholes on account of their paranoia from that time Hitler almost exterminated them. It's the same for Israel. They can't stand the idea of anyone being a threat to them in any way ever now.
>>535153117Obviously wrong you ukrainian loser.Nazis humiliated this loser and all of you faggots
>>535152232Imagine worshipping a balding manlet vs Chad Mahno
>>535158166It has nothing to do with Soros funding Canada to print Ukranian language history books in 1991...
>>535158234Russians hate Bandera because Canada printed some books in 1991? Intriguing. Please explain.
>>535158234Austria was teaching Ukrainian in the year 1900 already.
>>535153098was seen as a useless parasite nigger by nazis as well as the soviets. That's about it.
>>535158234>it doesn’t matter that Kyiv has already been built when Moscow still was a swampI can tell you’re either a vpn shill or legitimately retarded jeet
>>535152232He won in the polack killing competition
>>535152232Why do Ukrainians only use this picture of Bandera? There are plenty other pictures if him
>>535158458>QueefUkranda didn't exist. Under leadership of the Rurik dynasty (one of the two RUSSIAN royal houses)even bumfuck Belarus has a more unique national history than you, and they are just Russians but without the HIV
>>535158944Kek sure Jamal
>>535158828No he didn't
>>535158933>>535158960Am I supposed to hate him because he looks kind of goofy in those photographs? If anything that humanizes him. We've all had bad photos taken.
>>535158944Ukraine back then was called the "wild fields" it was a lawless place full of tatar/cossack raiders before Russia decided to civilize it. Its like saying Uganda was a centuries old state because there were tribes living there.
>>535158458It's called Kiev though, funny how you can't pronounce "your" own capital, isn't it? Especially considering that the city was literally a backwards village for several centuries after the Mongol invasions, until the "Muscovites" built it up to its current state. And cities like Novgorod predate Kiev as well, at least if we exclude the periods when it was populated by turkic steppe nomads.
>>535158960Looks like a pedophile, completely fits the ukrainians national mythos and major contributer of their economy.
>>535159111When will Russia start civilising Russia?
temu hitler. ukrops worship him like a god because they think they're white or something
>>535159235The term "Potemkin village" refers to the very first urban settlements built for Catherine the Great on the Dnepr river. Odessa was built to honor her namesake.
>>535159034the notion of "ukrainianness" didn't even exist until (((Lenin))) started the Koronizatsiya project. Everything in your country was built by Russians, because you are Russians speaking a Creole dialect of the language...
>>535159235>Inb4 a Zigger tells you that they're Ukies or somethingLiterally the same dynamic as Jeets and Pakis.
reminder that Kyiv is the birthplace of the Rusadditional reminder that moscow massacred and replaced novogrod under Ivan the terrible, something that it's trying to do in Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Novgorod
>>535159442You coward pidor should fuck off to the front.The first were Austrians building up and teaching ukrainian culture language and nationhood in the Ukrainian parts of the Austrians empire before Lenin was even relevant and in any way.Germany created and liberated Ukraine and if not for Lenin we would have liberated Russia too up to the urals in WWI. Pidors should worship Lenin for him making such a gracious peace deal with Germany.
>>535152232russians dont like it when whites advocate for their own ethnic interests instead of the muttmotherland gas station
>>535159623I still remember all HIVans saying at the beginning of the war that the ukrainians will welcome them with open arms and that they're brothers basically the same and would never fight, then 2 weeks later all pidors openly called for total hohol death lmao.Such a humiliation hahahaha
>>535159694Funny how the most diehard ukropic ultranationalists live in... Canada. Must be nice, supporting busification while being entirely safe from it!
>>535159731>we wuz kangz niggerbabble
>>535159945what's even worse is that it's most likely a foid too
>>535159731>teaching ukrainian culture and language I too can make up a language and culture. Ukraine is literally Ebonics version of Russian
>>535160170Ugly hag, I fucked dozens of cute Russian lolis in the 90s for a few Mark..... Those were the good times.
>>535152232He got killed by a Soviet Ukrainian kek.
>>535160170>my 24th February Hoholina already had a ghost writer register a book for her. Amazing
>>535160204The Dutch are literally German too and simply speak a German dialect but monarchy fuckery made them going their own way and since then Dutch became a language and even an ethnicity.We accepted their will too so why cant Russians accept the wish of the ukrainians even if they are just a sub group of Mongolians like Russians are as a different thing?
>>535160299Stepan Bandera was assassinated on 15 October 1959 in Munich, West Germany. Who killed him?He was killed by a KGB agent,Bohdan Stashynsky, who acted under orders from Soviet intelligence. How it happenedStashynsky used a specially designed cyanide spray weaponHe sprayed it into Bandera’s face in the stairwell of his apartment buildingBandera died shortly after from cyanide poisoningThat's new to me. Soviet seething even after decades didn't stopped lmao
>1 post by this ID>questionthread
>>535160473Mongolian? Lmfao what?Are all Germans this dumb as fuck? Well, looking at the state of Germany, don't answer.......
>>535160299Rest in Piss
>>535160473The Dutch were a thing for hundreds of years and were at one point the dominant power in Europe before the anglos stole their ideas. They are swamp Germans. Ookranines are like a rabid dog that bites its owners hands constantly. They like to kill anyone and everyone because it's just fun for them. They are like a whore with aids that gets used up by whomever passes by. It was a stupid idea for the Germans to introduce ideas into slavic peasants minds.
>>535160650Scratch a Russian and you will find a tartar.Everything east of Berlin are all Asiatic subhumans.
>>535160650150CM OF PURE ARYAN NORDIC PRUSSIAN ETHNICITY COMING THROUGH, COMRADE HIVAN.
>>535160473The Dutch were never part of Germany and they were a separate branch of Germanics that co developed alongside Germany, which itself was never united, made of different Germanic groups and kingdoms who spoke different languages until the 1800s. The situation with Ukraine is completely opposite. It is outside powers doing this to Ukraine. Ukraine elected Yanukovych and consistently rejected russophobia shit (because they are Russian themselves), this is why their government had to be overthrown and why Ukraine wants to ban the Russian language. Only a very small minority of people speak actual real Ukrainian, whose origin has to do with interaction with Polish because they were ruled by Poles. But they also hate Poles, go figure. Liberate these people from that pseudo historical forced false identity nightmare is what I always say, it exists only to divide the region and harm them.
>>535160932When do you think history began?You think German in one single thing one single ethnicity like Americans are called mutts and are one single brown turd?Germany is just an union of different Germanic tribes with Celtic mixing in the south and east with Germanised east slaveshits.Please write the first line of the Netherlands national anthem.....
>>535161033The anti Russian shit only existed in 3 tiny regions of Ukraine in Lviv,Ternopol and Ivano Frankivsk oblast. These are the region on the map in which the far right Svoboda party constantly won out. It represents like 10% of Ukraine but their major backers were in the western diaspora who fled to Canada and the US. So you have a thing being reintroduced back into Ukraine when the Soviet Union fell apart and about 5 billion dollars were channeled into it through various institutions and ngos for their big day of maidan coup.
>>535152232>suck over 9000km of nazi cock>still get thrown in ze campLol!
>>535152232Russians are mindbroken by Jewish WW2 propaganda.
>>535161223Not the same at all. Carolingian empire was a multi-ethnic thing that lasted less than 100 years. Whereas the entire Russian and Ukrainian identity and history all trace to "Kievan Rus", which united the entire East Slavic people, who only recently had expanded into Eastern Europe and existed for a very long time, with the Dynasty lasting until the 1600s. Only outside forces broke it apart as a political state. Literally all their culture and history comes from it. Ukraine is Christian because it was Christianized with the rest of Rus (although Ukraine, Ukrainians or Ukrainian did not exist then). It's only outside forces that continually try to drive them apart. One example is Poland trying to impose Catholocism on them, because they are Orthodox like Russians, because they are Russians. Literally the exact same people, same ethnicity, language religions, history origin and the languages far are more mutually intelligible than German to Dutch.
>>535160961You may as well go full racist NAFO nazi retard like your fellow swarthy son of Merkel Mutti right below your postGerman youth are a minority in their own country in 2026 but your focus is on repeating 85 year old Goebbelsian propaganda about actual European peoples that have never done any harm to you. Insane! but I guess whocares right, neither of you anons are part of that German youth
>>535161609Karl der große or how idiots call him Charlemagne was the first unifer of all "french" and "German" people and our modern nations became a thing thanks to it. What later came the holy Roman empire of German nations... The Dutch were longer part of it being German than the USA even existed.
>>535152232who? the guy they gassed in the 1950s? lol
>>535161630Russian language was invented by a nigger.How fantastic is that.Does this makes your seething not better?
>>535152232It's not just Russians who have a problem with it. Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, and Lithuanians do too. This war between Ukraine and Russia has only shown that, after almost 100 years, Ukrainians are still brutal subhumans. A pseudo-country founded by Stalin, whose heroes are psychopaths.
>>535162503Literally asked for it>Hurr poor pooland HAS to invade Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, Germany, white Russia and Ukraine because some voices in my head told me to do it>Why do all my neighbors hate me suddenly and we get international sanctions.,.. ooh daawng maaihn.... Ungerland and fronce pleaxe help poor pooland
>>535157139You've been fighting them since 2014 and you still don't know what kind of people they are?
>>535155864I think it was primarily the ukies wanted to maintain as an independent state after WW1 and not become part of the Soviet Union, resisted Lenin's collectivism efforts, and were quarantined within their borders by Soviets while they took all of their crops. Other areas were hit harder, but they weren't being as much of a pain in the ass for the Soviets by not falling in line and by wanting a nation independent from the union.
>>535162757>Decolonisation of German civilisation to barbaric poles with disgusting violence= :D>Decolonisation of poolackenlümmel slavers of ukrainians finally freeing themselves with made up violence = :(
>>535162717Are you talking about what happened after the Treaty of Versailles, when other countries recognized Poland's independence? Lithuania was created during the same period, largely thanks to Piłsudski's efforts, who wanted a border buffer with Russia. Germany was forced to cede some of its lands, yet it still tried to violate the treaty it had signed. The Czechs took Zaolzie from us while we were fighting the Bolsheviks, so a few years later we regained those lands peacefully. We are not the same German anon.
>>535162757Still pedaling fake pictures? Poles are becoming worse than kikes when it comes to atrocity porn it seems.
>>535162044But that's different, he also had Slavs and Latins in his empire, which lasted 87 years. That's an *empire* of preexisting peoples and when it split, they remained the same people as before. Rus was a unified monoethnic state from which all the East Slavic nations and cultures are derived. The Rurikid dynasty of Rus lasted 10 times longer than the Caroingian empire.Orthodox Christianity, the Cyrllic alphabet, Ukraine's capital and several cities all come from Rus. The Cossacks were in service to the Russian empire even, itself just a different collection of Rus provinces. The national symbol of Ukraine, is a crest of a Rus emperor, to show just how artificial "Ukraine" is as a nation. It's the official country of cognitive dissonance.
>>535155864weird that you're supporting Russia under a German flag. Might I ask, are you Russian yourself?If you're German, aren't you upset Russians killed millions of Germans and divvied up the borders and forced the East to live under communism?
>>535156976I have family members who died during holodomor in the 30s lol.My great grandpa told me his neighbors cannibalized their own children after they died from hunger.
>>535152232based bandera
>>535163227>Orthodox Christianity, the Cyrllic alphabet, Ukraine's capital and several cities all come from RusBeing this delusional lmao you're so indoctrinated you can't see the truth anymore.Stop larping as Rus anyway, you're not swedish and you Asiatics will never be.
A better question is why do Russians care about him that much, when his party mostly killed Poles?
>>535152232He was assassinated by Russians lmao
>>535163222Unlike the Ukrainian country, these photos are real.
>>535163253It has nothing to do with supporting Ukrainianism is just simply a revolting ideology. Russia being a corrupt kleptocracy run by a weak manlet is completely separate from that.
>>535152232Nobody cares about the another subhuman collaborator outside of hoholistan
>>535163640In try to take Ukraine and now since 2022 Ukrainians many of bandera supporters killed over 2 million Russians.Worked out well I guess haha
>>535163539In the pic, Ukraine's symbol is the crest of Vladimir the great, who Christianized Rus. They were all pagans before that. It's true anon.The Rurikids, who created and ruled Rus were indeed Vikings, IIRC Finnish vikings. I think one of them was tested as Haplogroup N but don't remember. Rus doesn't explicitly refer to them, but what we call Kievan Rus though.
>>535162807Collectivization happened mainly under Stalin, and Ukrainians were as much enforcers as they were victims of it. And as far as their national identity and their borders are concerned, neither existed before the bolsheviks manifested it into existence via a deliberate policy of Ukrainization.
>>535159945>>535160170I do humanitarian work in Kyiv, helping the civilian infrastructure that moscow bombs, hundreds of kilometers from the Donbas... Glory to Ukraine!
>tfw no orbman
>>535163826Collectivization started with Lenin who believed hyperinflation for Russia was a good to get rid of the entire money system forever until even he realized his nonsense doesn't makes any sense until he died shortly later.Stalin was just a typical gypsy king nothing more nothing less.
>>535163707>collaboratorHow do you figure, pidor? He was a prisoner at Sachsenhausen Nazi concentration camp during the war. Your dear leader Stalin was a bigger Nazi collaborator than Bandera ever could to be.
>>535163684why are there soviet NKVD officers standing over the bodies?
>>535163684>filename - volynskaya-reznyakek, pidrila, your ears are showing through that vpn
>>535162807There was famine all across the USSR and Russians starved as well. Stalin was never anti-Ukrainian, this is the same Stalin that took back Western Ukraine from Poland and reintegrated it into Ukraine. If Stalin hated Ukraine, why did he fight for it in WW2? His immediate underling and successor, Kruschev was a Russian Ukrainophile who married a Ukrainian women and gave Crimea to Ukraine. The whole placing blame on Russia for things that happened under communism (which Russians suffered under as well) or saying that Stalin hated Ukrainians is propaganda.
>>535164388>why did he fight for it in WW2?Im guessing the same reason they are fighting for it now?
>>535164388>Russians starved as wellthat's not what the soviet statistics show
>>535164211>brownoid Nazi larger>was persecuted by NazisWhat's got you so flustered, Mykola Pidorenko Washington oblast?
>>535164388disinfo, moscow suffered next to no deaths of starvation, compared to Ukrainian lands, which of whom's crops and foods were forcibly taken and taken to moscowmoscow engineered, carried out, and executed any Ukrainians who resisted the russification during that periodgenocide, clear and simple
>>535164388He called Ukrainian nations nationalisms a disease.He openly said Russia is not whole without Ukraine.The starvation only happened thanks to him and his slave underlings stealing food which he exported to Germany and USA in return for juicy new technology so he could ramp up his industrialism dream, which succeeded but at the life's of many millions of Soviet slaves.
>>535164525Census figures don't detail population transfer or movement. This is the exact same time the USSR was industrializing and people moved to where factories were. Ukraine was largely a rural and agricultural place. Also those changes would be so anomalous without population movement, its crazy. Ukraine lost like 10 or 15 million people in the 90s because they left.
>>535164388>Stalin that took back Western Ukraine from Poland and reintegrated it into Ukraine.where else was he supposed to incorporate the territories he carved up together with Hitler, to russia?picrel is Heinz Guderian sharing a laugh with Soviet General Semyon Krivoshein (who was also Jewish) during the German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk on September 22, 1939
>>535164635Did Kiev starve? Famines affected rural populations and food was allocated to cities and population centers
>>535164381You don't know how Google Images works?
>>535152232HE STOLE THE SHOW IN ASSASSINS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE STALLONES MOVIE RUSSIANS ARE ROCKY FANS IF HE DIES HE DIES
>>535163701>And as far as their national identityUkrainian language existed for 700 years you dumbass.
>>535163826>And as far as their national identityUkrainian language existed for 700 years you dumbass. You don't even know history.
>>535164917Dialect*
>>535164716>Census figures don't detail population transfer or movementBut they detail the ethnicity, you dumb pidor. Did 15.3% of Ukrainians all of a sudden changed their ethnicity from 1926 to 1937? The situation with mortality in Ukraine was SO BAD, Stalin ordered the census cancelled in 1933 and delayed several times until 1937. You can not lie your way out of the facts, pidor.
>>535164635Where do people get these fairytales of russification? There was deliberate Ukrainization onder the Soviets, who invented that whole nation in the first place, literally didn't exist before the Bolsheviks. This idea they wanted to genocide a nation they made up in the first place is ridiculous, especially when the affected areas were in southern Russia, the northern Caucasus, northern Kazakhstan and easter/southern Ukraine, most of these places being overwhelmingly Russian at that point.
>>535164797Yes, Kyiv was starved and the target of persecution under moscow's targetted confiscation of foodstuffs and subsequent 'russification', targetting Ukrainian culture & language with murder and torture: it's still going on today in annexed regions of Donetsk & Luhansk
>>535164981ARE WE FORGETTING THE REAL VILLAIN IN THIS WHOLE SLAVFESTGEORGIA
>>535153117That wasn’t very nice of you Canada. Tsk, tsk, tsk…
>>535164917Ukrainian "language" isn't even spoken by most Ukrainians outside of the western part, and even that heavily deviates from "official" Ukranian which is entirely an artificial tongue. Also funny that you can't find anything on this supposed 700 year old language and nation from before the mid 19th century, when the Habsburgs first tried making Ukranianism a thing.
>>535165016educate yourself, it's common knowledge!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification_of_Ukraine
>>535164981>Russia 20% anomalous population increase compared to 2.85 for Belarus in 11 yearsHow do you even explain that? It makes no sense. The fact that there was a famine across the entire USSR that did kill millions is a direct refutation to the point you are trying to make and it also refutes the claim anyone was targeted. One the one hand, another anon claims that Stalin said Russia "is not whole without Ukraine", but he also wants to genocide them? But his successor is also Kruschev, who is a Russian Ukraine lover who constantly wore Ukrainian shirts and clothes. These ideas are crazy.
>>535165016Russification aka mongolisation or Sovietification are well documented parts of history you stupid mongol.
>>535152232They like to whine.https://m.youtube.com/@Evelinaglow
>>535165253You keep bringing irrelevant crap into this debate. Which is not even a debate, because most of the world's historians of Eastern Europe agree on the basic facts - there was a man made famine in Ukraine perpetrated by the soviet (russian) regime in 1932-33. Only pidors like you try to whitewash the soviet murderers.
>>535165118These are literally lies. Nobody was ever intentionally starved. If they wanted to genocide Ukrainians, why didn't they make them do all the fighting in WW2? Instead Russian and Belarussians suffered the most, 4x more Russians died fighting than Ukrainians, but Russia had 2.7X the population. Not to detract from any country's sacrifices and efforts made during the war, but simply to show this is bullshit. Also, this shows the 1940 population of Ukraine at 41 million.There was a famine across the USSR that affected Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan. That is not a targeted attack, it's a failure of communism that affected everyone.
based bandera chads rising up
>>535165016>affected areas were in southern Russia, the northern Caucasus, northern Kazakhstan and easter/southern Ukraineall the areas you listed, except Kazakhstan, were populated predominantly by ethnic Ukrainians. The famine in Kazakhstan was also man made where some 40% of ethnic Kazakhs died.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933
>>535165578>no counter pointHolodomor is literally propaganda.
>>535153493I always wonder how true this is. The Germans did not have the people needed to replace the Poles in the areas of Poland they annexed. They had to basically just declare any Pole that spoke some German or looked Aryan to be a long lost German. Like 90% of the Poles in Silesia were declared to be Germans. The idea that they would replace everybody in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus etc is just so insane it’s kind of hard to believe this was a serious thing. Obviously it was completely impossible.
>>535165753Do you even know what Schlesien is or rather was?God are you stupid muttoid
>>535165578Literally making shit up lol. It was man made insofar as forced collectivization, which happened all across the Soviet Union, caused it. Ukrainians were as much enforcers in this as victims, the "regime" consisting disproportionally of said Ukrainians.>>535165716Nice propaganda map showing the Kuban region and other parts of south-western Russia as majority Ukrainian lmao. Pretty much the entire Black Sea coast was conquered and settled by Russians in the imperial era, how the hell did these supposed "Ukrainians" become the majority there?
>>535165679>Russian and Belarussians suffered the mostwhy are you manipulating, pidor? your own chart shows 16.3% of Ukrainians died in WWII. The war itself was the fault of the USSR, it allied with the Nazis, trained their military, supplied them with everything from iron ore, to oil, to wheat up until June 1941!
>>535165679you're detracting what we're talking about: the Holodomor, starvation of Ukrainian peoples compared to moscow'ssimple research and accredited historian's accounts should be enough to come to an educated conclusion that moscow has, historically, attempted to subjugate a culture & language that predates their own>trusting soviet consensus & records kek
>>535155229Bandera was from Poland. His movement comes from Ukrainians living in Eastern Poland (modern day West Ukraine) and feeling oppressed by living under Polish rule.Holmodor was something that happened in modern day Eastern Ukraine to people living under Russian Soviet rule. There’s no real connection between these two things. Two different countries and worlds that became one country after WW2.
>>535152232literally who? this could be a brady bunch actor for all i know
>>535166164Halychyna is not Poland, L2History
>>535165716So-called Kazaks(name for the Russian military personnel serving at the border) has a very little with the modern so-called Ukrainians(not a real ethnic group made up by bolsheviks).
>>535166080I'm counting military dead. Something like 1/4 or 1/3 of the entire population of Belarus died in WW2 if you count civilians, but it's not relevant to the point I'm trying to make. More Russians per capita were pressed into service and they died liberating Ukraine, not killing the people. Also I made a mistake, those population figures take into account parts of Ukraine still in Poland. They give a correction for that and if you take it into account, you still find that more Russians died in the Soviet military per capita, and they fought to free Ukraine. There was no starvation or targeting of Ukrainians, it's complete nonsense.>The war itself was the fault of the USSR????? Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 without provocation.Otherwise yes, the USSR was an ally of Nazi Germany until they were betrayed. I don't know where you are going with this.
>>535165745>no counter pointto what, that Khrushchev played a village idiot by wearing a stylized "Ukrainesque" shirt (which was popular at the time)? How is it relevant to Holodomer and his policies of russification of Ukraine and persecution of Ukrainian intellectuals once he got into power?
>>535166395>the USSR was an ally of Nazi Germanykek, I rest my case. Two evil regimes fighting it out later doesn't cancel the fact that the soviets nourished the Nazis from their big tit.
It's still up.
>>535166142>Starvation of Ukrainian peoplesBut there was starvation across the entire USSR and Russians and other were affected. There was no intentional starvation of Ukrainians. Otherwise why did rural people across the USSR starve? The claim this was an attack on Ukraine contradicts every historical fact.
>>535166326I mean now it’s not. It was before WW2. And it was Poland when Bandera grew up there.
>>535166511>Victim blamingBut Germany attacked the USSR though, but you dodged my entire point again.
>>535152232>potato head slavei will be mad too
>>535166395>died liberating Ukraine, not killing the people>fought to free Ukrainethey just reconquered it from another evil regime and put it right back under the brutal soviet boot. That's what the soviet's did across the whole Eastern Europe. The soviets literally blew up the historical center of Kyiv with the people still in it, when they ran in September 1941.
>>535166769you have no point, you only regurgitate old soviet/russian propaganda cliches. you're boring.
>>535166142Now you're using AI to try to prove your point lol. The fact of the matter is the "holodomor" is ridiculous propaganda, and the entire western scholarship of Ukraine is pure revisionism that only makes sense if you consider Eastern European history prior to the 20th century an insidious plot by the evil Muscovites that everyone else just played along with until recently.>>535166350These assertions that Russia tried and still tries to "russify" Ukraine are even funnier when you consider the Ukrainian appropriation of Cossack identity, not to mention the erasure of actual ethnic groups like Rusyns by the Ukranian government and the continued marginalization of various other indigenous minorities. The Crimean Tatars that literally used to raid and enslave Ukrainians seem to be the only national minority treated well there, since they can be used to undermine Russia.
>>535166943>Things that never happenedGermany laid Siege to Kiev in the initial invasion.>Implying Ukraine is/was a real country to begin withMeanwhile Lenin did Ukrainianization less that 2 decades prior. So you're saying these people we like to call Ukrainians never signed up to defend their country? It's all aside the point though. Nobody ever tried to genocide Ukrainians intentionally starved anyone.
