There are a lot of anti-religion threads on this board. Some might be bot/shill spam, but there are people who have these opinions, you see it in posts within threads, and I've even seen it in real life.Something I've thought about is this. When you prompt people who have a negative opinion of a religion for an argument, their opinion, apart from being rather emotion-based, vague and ill-defined, usually boils down to a view that religion is something you pick and choose, like you go shopping for shoes in a mall. And it's like politics. Do I want to buy black shoes or white shoes today? Do I want to take from the city budget and fill in these potholes or do I spend that tax money on cleaning up this polluted river? And you can see how someone would view religion this way, because religions have rules, if you stop eating pork the pig farmer is affected, if you stop eating meat animals are affected, you spank your children because your religion says so, you spend money on charity, you do this and that, all these things are really politics.But there is another aspect of religion which is rarely talked about. A more philosophical aspect. For this the matter is not to choose one religion or the other, instead the question is whether the religion is TRUE or not. And truth doesn't care about your opinion or feelings. You may think all rules of a certain religion are garbage, but that is something else, the question is not do you like it or not, it's is it true or not what this religion says. This second aspect has less to do with rules and more to do with allegories describing the world and the mind, and whether the allegories fit with how things really are. I think that perhaps the main reason why this aspect of religion is rarely discussed is that most people don't even know that most of the stories in religions are not history but rather "myths", which means they are allegories which are used to convey a deeper message about the mind or the world.
>>535247053No proof = no belief.That's nothing to say about the moral value of religion, of which are ultimately human morals.
>>535247053If the god/gods are real or not it doesn't matter, belief in a higher power in necessary to avoid moral decay and degeneracy and for the collective to aim for something higher than themselves.I have already seen the horrors of secularism I don't want this to last
>>535247154Would evidence for ghosts/sprits satisfy you?
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>>535247154>>535247280You brainlets didn't even read the OP.
>>535247321no amount of evidence will satisfy themif jesus appeared in front of him right now, he would say: "i'm hallucinating, i've gone insane, this is a trick from advanced alien technology"he does not want to believe>"For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees"- Romans 8:24
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>>535247371I'm just reaffirming the position you dumbass somali
>>535247379Address the topic, spamming retard. As for what you said there, you're the actual retard, true faith is not about cramming into your head something which you don't actually truly believe just for the sake of it, larping faggot.
>>535247408Read the OP and address the actual subject matter of it. Really hard for you scatterbrained coomers, I know.
>>535247526gas yourself, kike
>>535247606>it's is it true or not what this religion saysYes but it depends on what religion and what practicesLower you tone when you speak to me Somali
>>535247655>>535247676Nothing but actual fucking imbeciles on this board. I'm wasting my breath and my time.
>>535247053Yawn, religions are untrue by default, because they require unprovable presumptions.
>>535247806No. The whole Scholastic tradition in Medieval Europe was about reconciling Aristotelian logic and Christianity. Clerical students made up the bulk of logic students at Oxford in the period after that. It's really just modern brainwashing that logic and religion are mutually exclusive.
https://archive.org/details/TheSecretTeachingsOfAllAgesManlyHall/page/n42
>>535247988No, it's modern rigorous standards of science. Religion is perfectly logical, but only in its own framework under the presumption of the veracity of its core claim, i.e. existence of god(s) (and more specifically their own concrete personal god). That's why it now fails.
>>535248269Science is limited to the empirically verifiable, religion, philosophy and logic are not. Read the whole OP, not just a few sentences, and then address the actual subject matter.
In my opinion Abrahamic faiths just create narratives that fractures the natural order, introducing the idea of a judging, avenging god to whom you have to submit... to say nothing about the concept of eternal hell, the most heinous idea ever conceived by human beings... of course, even in those faiths there is a difference between exotericism and esotericism. Even Jews have that. At the end of the day, all esotericism point to the same truth: what we call reality is just a dream inside God/consciousness. The dream itself is not a problem, identification with our dream selves is. Once this identification is severed (what the sages call "enlightenment") we can continue our life until our karma is spent, removal from the social world is not necessary at all. The ancient Vedic Rshis who compiled the Veda in the Himalaya were all married. The top Jews know these facts and use black magic to alter reality to their advantage instead of seeking individual liberation, because they believe in the concept of "reparation" of the cosmos.
>>535247340>stupid picso you can say the same thing with other religions. ie: Shinto, Pagan, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, Tao, and so on are valid according to your pic.
>>535248749You fail to address my point, and instead just parrot the exact type of argument I said people usually present when prompted. Congratulations.
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>>535247053Fixed it for you
