If Ukraine and the West are lying about Russian losses, what number of Russians are actually dead?
in mid 2024 mediazona had expanded their methodology from just counting the obituaries, and started to include 'excess mortality'. so technically anyone dying in a car crash is considered a war casualty, according to this graph
>>535258440Russian telegram propagandists are citing an aproximate 350 000 - 450 000 figure for total army deaths on the russian side since 2022. They are basing this on recruitment rates for the smo and how much of the army is actually deployed for the smo.
>>535259699>'excess mortality'>muh car crashessnownigga unless car crash rates skyrocketed after the war started (for some reason) it wouln't increase war casulty numbers
>>535259699If you weren’t retarded, you would know that they have two numbers, the number of names they found and their estimate. The graph here is the first number, so you’re retarded. And you didn’t even answer my question.
>>535260702>>535261498So you would agree that excess deaths was also an accurate way to track covid fatalities.
>>535258440probably like 60-70k, with 100k or so wounded.
>>535258440150k total max including mercenaries like wagner, former dpr etc
>>535260221I tend to agree with the lower end of this estimate which is also fairly in-line with western intelligence estimates. It's sensible from total casualty figures of around 1 million, which are below Ukraine's reported numbers obviously. I think the more interesting question is actually what are Ukraine's real casualties from this war, since there has been a lot less high quality scrutiny of this figure in terms of what has been exposed to public eyes. I'm sure spooks in the CIA have their own numbers but overall I feel Ukraine simply wouldn't have a functioning military if they were taking casualties of this scale. Early in the war it was either near parity or lopsided against Ukrainians in the Donbass but as the war evolved and shell/AFV hunger began to seriously set in and Russia shifted at first to large scale, then to small scale infiltration tactics I think there has to have been a very sharp divergence.My gut feeling is Ukraine has certainly sustained casualties approaching 1 million and probably is also in the six figures of dead, though I think they have substantially better casevac than Russia does simply because a lot of Russian casualties were taken during infiltration missions where there is very little realistic ability to recover a casualty.
It's so odd who all the western media wants to do is talk about Russian losses yet no one gives a shit about how many Ukrainians died as well. No one asks or cares how many Ukrainians died. mediazona has a good website but its not personnel you cant see the faces or names of dead soldiers unlike UAlosses.
>>535262307>>535262057You make a thread about Russia and anons deflect to Ukraine, it’s so tiresome
>>535262307this is the only copium they have during last few hundred years, they are like "we lost again, but we killed gazzillion quadrilion russians"they think that if they dont do it normies will rebel, they will not tolerate extreme social and economic opression from weak (in real word) elite
>>535262057The AFU losses are high but they kidnap 30 to 40k men every month to support those high losses. During the start of the war Ukraine was flooded with men wanting to fight now less then 5% of men volunteer its 95% conscripts. In 2022 near the fall Ukraine had just under 1 million man army meanwhile the Russians and their DPR militia had around 300k to 400k in Ukraine that's why Ukraine was able to over run Russia in Kharkov. Now the numbers according to Ukraine are 700k Russians in Ukraine while the AFU still claims to have 1 million man army yet they still cry about Russia outnumbering them. We will never know the true scale of losses as both side will lie only if Kiev is stormed and the jews flee will we know Ukrainian true losses as for Russia its all speculation.
>>535262699afu loses are from 1.2 mln to 1.8 mln dead. i think 1.5mln is close nobody knows how many are deserters and incapacitated and what was initial number in 2022
>>535262542Bro all you guy's do is make Russia threads. You have whole bunch of faggots on discord server organize to shit up /pol/ with anti Russia threads that's tiresome. Also how many mutts got killed in the Iran war your bases got raped yet only 15 mutts died i don't buy it.
>>535262813No way that's too high if that where true the Russians would have won the war by now. I think the deaths for Ukraine are around 400k to 600k. Let see how long Zelensky and his goons can keep up the war.
>>535262057ukrainian losses are at least 1.2:1 in russian favour. they hardly have an air force, they have less armour, less infantry, less drones, less of everything you need to wage war, and they have to kidnap men off the streets just so there's something to throw in the trench and show the russians down
>>535263059Russia drops over 10k bombs monthly on AFU positions yet retards will still claim Ukraine is killing more Russian with hardly and CAS. Russia is losing the propaganda war because they don't ISIS post like Ukraine does Russia needs to start releasing videos of very single AFU soliders the kill to show the retards in the west the war isn't one sided as they think.
>>535258440The Russians are basically genociding the asian minorities of russia right?Figured something like that would happen
>>535263055Thats real numbers circulating in internet for long time and they match russian figures that were recently published - 1.6 mlnukraine started pressganging own population canibalizing workers to prolong the warso there is no normal future after that, they will need to shrink or import turks like germans did after ww2
>>535263059Bro, in almost every conflict the occupying force is going to lose more
>>535258440Wow the Bashkirs and Tatars taking the brunt of Russian recruitment programs. I remember reading about that couple years ago, how the Russians were putting recruitment and overdrive from Siberia, while there was hardly a single division from Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and the big important areas in the west.
>>535263434okay? so why would it be true here when everything points to it not being true? trenches are great until you get a 500kg bomb dropped on you
>>535263286you are kind of right, but i don't thin the russians care what a bunch of tranny retards on the internet think about whether they're winning or not
Only 3 anons bothered to respond to my question, everyone else is just babbling about other things
>>535260702>focuses on hyperbole meth
>>535263331>>535263544Getting two birds stoned at once. It is in (ethnic) Russians' favor to continue the war. I believe this is why there is stalemate. There's no reason why Russia can't steamroll Ukraine unless they really are that incompetent.
>>535264158>what number of russians are actually deadnobody knows you obese nigger now fuck off
>>535258440The biggest tell about this war is that Russia had 1 single mobilization in this war. Ukraine had 7 mobilization and is now resorting to press gangs that abducted people. If Ukraine only lost 40k men like Zelensky claimed last year out of a initial army of 400 and several mobilization why would they need more men?
>>535262699i think those busification estimates are too high but it's obvious the volunteer numbers have collapsed. But at the same time the polling is showing a heap of contradictions where ~70% of Ukrainians want an immediate end to the war but only ~20% of them are willing to concede to basically any of Russia's demands. I think overall, subtly, both sides have fewer men engaged at the front than at other stages in the war. Russian infiltration attacks have gone from small units of a dozen or so men to 1-4 men and advances have basically stopped for 3 months. The cost of hitting recruitment targets for Russia is getting unsustainable and Ukraine is running out of men to busify without wrecking their already fucked civilian economy.>>535262813Simply impossible and irrational numbers even if we accept a very high estimate of 500k dead Russians. Your 150k estimate makes this even more unreasonable. In no modern war have attackers inflicted a 10:1 kill ratio on defenders. Neither Gulf war even. >>535264715Russia could steamroll Ukraine if it actually went full totallen krieg but there are political reasons why Russia can't do this. Russia has been gradually trickling resources and gradually escalating which has been very negative for their overall success. At this point even a mass mobilization wouldn't accomplish what people think it might simply because Russians wasted huge amounts of equipment in piecemeal attacks for years. Unless you're going to do Iran-Iraq war tactics which I don't think Russians would stomach if it was Muscovites being given plastic keys to heaven.
>>535262813>afu losses are (ukrainian count of russian losses)Something something ox cart of shit. Will you ever stop embarrassing yourself?
>>535266401>In no modern war have attackers inflicted a 10:1 kill ratio on defenders. Neither Gulf war even.1st gulf war was over 10 to 1, not that this war is anything like that. This war is more like the war between Iraq and Iran than Desert Storm.
>>535266959Dessert Storms was like 10000-1 legit. Have you seen the road of death? And 80% of casualties were due to friendly fire.
>>535267133yeah the numbers are legit nuts. You can see why the entire US military doubled down on expensive high tech weaponry
>>535266401ukrainians have 10x less firepower and 90% of army is made from people kidnapped by force, thats why loses are suchukrainian whole strategy is to kidnap peope, but them to trenches/houses , wait russians to destroy them by bombs and kill survivers with drones. then ukrainians try to ambush few soldiers that russians send to capture trenches
>>535266401Russia has been defending for 3 years. Retard
>>535267465ukrainians and russians have same level of technology, ukr have access to most modern usa tech, russians use ownthe main difference is that one side fights with "slave" army and another with volunteers, thats key factor
>>535266959My quibbling technicality there is that a majority of those deaths took place in Kuwait, so they were an aggressor getting mauled by defensive counterattacks. The actual death ratio isn't quite as crazy if you also include Arab dead and consider the Kuwait occupation to be part of the same conflict. Also most of the losses were casualties and surrenders. But yes these wars really can't be compared because Gulf War I and the initial invasion of Gulf War II were the US at its apex stunting on a country it outnumbered 20:1, which it had largely stripped of air defense in the first gulf war and maintained air supremacy over for a decade before running the second invasion.The US constructed an extremely favorable environment for the follow up war. Compare what Russia did from 2014-2022 and it just looks like a clown show. Plus the basic facts of Ukraine being much larger relative to Russia population-wise. Our flubbing of the entire Iran situation shows it's not inherent Western/NATO technological superiority that resulted in the overmatch in Iraq but strategic and tactical decision making. Once we started fucking that up we took strategic level losses of materiel and infrastructure that aren't even comparable to the minor damage Iraq was able to inflict.
>>535262307The reason is they're hiding it for moral boosting. Ukraine have much tougher censorship regarding this numbers compared to russia plus western media collaboration helped them to keep low profile and an algorithmic edge. That's why it's so difficult to estimate their numbers. If we follow the kill ratio of 1:2 that's often sited in media we can assume they have lost more than 200k men.
>>535267554Youre utterly retarded if you actually believe that
>>535258440I would say its pretty accurate desu. two of my uncles died. although probably at least a million ukrainains also died, and millions on both sides are missing their limbs / eyes / parts of their brain. ukraine should've just taken the white peace in the istanbul talks or played both blocks instead of trying to join nato
>>535258440I checked mediazona numbers and many of them "comfirmed deaths" were from donetsk and luganskFunny how eastern Ukrainians are count as russians when it's beneficial to westoids
>>535268122Lmao even belarusians and other foreigners in this statBasically bullshit statistics thenFor instance ualosses.org has only hohols, no mercs
>>535268061there are thouthands of videos with press gangs, are you imbecile?napolen destroyed prussian army that was complected same way as ukrainian today with same 10:1 k:d ratio in 1800s, prussians were forced to reformdifference in firepower would not be so decisive if ukrainian soldiers were volunteers lol, they cant really do anything except changing people on timethose people are stationary targets for bombs
>>535266959It's funny when you look at it for a few decades the majority of the US military's kill count was driven by a combination of air power, armor, and artillery, while most US deaths were actually accidental. However current drone warfare has literally shattered conventional doctrine. I think there's a genuine fear in the Pentagon that a full-fledged ground invasion of Iran might cause an accelerating death toll among US soldiers destroying the massive kill ratio that the US military has enjoyed for so long.
>>535262057Completely wrong imo. Russian army is so scary and tactically capable that according to my estimates their casualties sit at around 100. Ukraine has lost around 6 million and thats generous. They should stop bombing inner russia or else the gloves will come off and ukraine will be destroyed in 3 days. In fact they should surrender and give everything to russia before russia really starts to fight we havent seen anything of what they are really capable of believe me
The ukraine literally records everything for PR, if they have more than 100k kills there would be 100k clips + another 300k reposts
>>535262813Show flag coward. Anything below 2.5 mil kia and 120k pow is nafo troon shilling.
>>535265323Seethe bitch
>>535258440More than two. Less than thirty million. Thank you for your attention to this matter
>>535260221People really don't understand how big 1 million is. It would mean almost 700 casualties every day. And in the modern age, where everything is digitally recorded, it would be fairly easy to unload such gigantic amounts of successful military operations. But no such evidence exist. Imo little more than 100k Russians died so far
>>535259699Imagine this being your cognitive dissonance holy KEK russnigger cope is astounding. They’ll do anything except stop behaving like animals
