People don't believe in anything nowadays>God? Doesn't Exist>Other alien civilizations? Doesn't Existtruly human hubris is fuckhuge at this timeEven if Alien came down and demonstrated that God indeed exists people would say no
I'm pretty sure I saw you having a banana, can I get some of that?
>>535262881>People don't believe in anything nowadaysI believe in a lot of things. God or gods isn't one of them
>>535263010No
>>535263011if an alien came down, and said that God exists, would you believe then?
>>535262881Because you'd have to stop having fun>ChristianityThinking of eating a hamburger is the same as eating one>IslamNo music>JudaismThey're literally jews >inb4 there are other religions Buddhists are fucking retards over hereAlso you have to obverse yourself for every single moment I could be a perfect Christian/Muslim for a week if you held me on gunpoint, but not an entire lifetime >inb4 you support fags and trannies thenNo, I don't.
>>535263011
>>535262881humiez too busy earning money to pay rent
>>535262881Nigger, the US government will literally reveal what they know and apparently it doesn't involve God. Good luck coping with that.
>>535263109I would ask them to define God and then show me what they consider to be God.
>>535263143Try again Tsani
>>535263156It involves the resentment towards the concept of God at least
>>5352632361. not an argument 2. bearing false witness
>>535263200https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_D2tLznHD4
>>535263154This is spot on, GOLD, fucking GOLD rules the minds of humans, they look everywhere, but never at themselves
>>535263343>1. not an argumentNeither are your shitty images >2. bearing false witnessNope. It's you. The board knows it too
>>535263354No thanks
>>535262881>>God? Doesn't Exist >>Other alien civilizations? Doesn't Exist Can't prove anything either way and the rest is just subjective opinion. Truth - no one knows because we don't have the means to look beyond the 4 dimensions we are actually exposed to on a daily basis and that we can observe = xyz axis and time. Because what is a place without time? Think of your 3D printer. We're meeting your friend for a coffee. If you said I want to meet you at Starbucks you would definitely have to tell them a time otherwise they wouldn't know when to meet you and the place itself would be worthless. You can't 3D print an image without telling it sequentially when to shoot what filament where. Beyond that, everything is theory and philosophy.
>>535262881God exists, aliens don't. Until and unless we make contact with an alien race of anthro women, all aliens are demons.
>>535263486I think not even an alien, A FUCKING ALIEN would never ever convince a human in hubris
>>535263459there are plenty of extra-biblical sources
>>535262881>Even if Alien came down and demonstrated that God indeed exists people would say noThe Pokémon come from space. I have proof.
>>535262881
>>535263552Saint Theophilus of Antioch:>But if you say, "Show me thy God", I would reply, "Show me yourself, and I will show you my God". Show, then, that the eyes of your soul are capable of seeing, and the ears of your heart able to hear; for as those who look with the eyes of the body perceive earthly objects and what concerns this life, and discriminate at the same time between things that differ, whether light or darkness, white or black, deformed or beautiful, well-proportioned and symmetrical or disproportioned and awkward, or monstrous or mutilated; and as in like manner also, by the sense of hearing, we discriminate either sharp, or deep, or sweet sounds; so the same holds good regarding the eyes of the soul and the ears of the heart, that it is by them we are able to behold God. For God is seen by those who are enabled to see Him when they have the eyes of their soul opened: for all have eyes, but in some, they are overspread and do not see the light of the sun. Yet it does not follow, because the blind do not see, that the light of the sun does not shine; but let the blind blame themselves and their own eyes. So also you, O man, have the eyes of your soul overspread by your sins and evil deeds. You will say, then, to me, "Do you, who see God, explain to me the appearance of God." Hear, O man. The appearance of God is ineffable and indescribable, and cannot be seen by eyes of flesh. For in glory He is incomprehensible, in greatness unfathomable, in height inconceivable, in power incomparable, in wisdom unrivalled, in goodness inimitable, in kindness unutterable.
>>535263599No there really isn't
>>535263552>hubrisLike how you can't handle differing opinions
>>535263856I'm not saying you're full of hubris, I'm saying overall humanity thinks they know everything, yet they dont know jack shit
There’s NO reason to probe jupiter! Send all your probes to Saturn
Why are there so many name/tripfags on this board spouting their retarded nonsense all of a sudden? Where did you cretins even come from?
i thought atheists believe in aliens and religious types don't?
>>535263925On this we agree and I apologize for my misunderstanding
>>535262881>>535263011>>535263109>>535263129>>535263156Threadly reminder:Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.Christianity is the true and correct religion.We will continue to spread it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.Christianity is true.God is real.Demons are real.Hell is real.Heaven is real.Jesus is Lord.https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writingshttps://laurazpowell.org/blog/just-the-facts-maam-the-minimal-facts-argument-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus>The best explanation for the facts agreed upon by virtually every scholar of every religious persuasion and worldview who has studied the evidence is that Jesus actually rose from the dead. If someone wants to dispute this, they must deal with the evidence, including the criteria for historical reliability, and offer some reason why this explanation falls short or provide a better explanation for the facts.https://youtube.com/watch?v=12syh8dPOtohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=JzklRPDfAj0
>>535263825You keep lying because you're a coping heathencuck who's scared of the truth.
>>535264148>Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.It isn't
>>535264148Christ wins
>>535264205>You keep lyingAbout?
>>535264205Stop replying to attention whore namefags brother, just filter them
>>535264221Wrong. It is.
>>535262881If there's no proof something exists, why would you believe in it.
>>535264250>>535263825
>>535264370There's proof that God exists: >>535264148
>>535264370no proof might = not discovered
>>535264370There's proof that God exists and that Christianity is true:https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781444308334
>>535264499Yes there is, but unless the person you're trying to express this to is asking for proof of God because they /genuinely/ want to know Him, it is an exercise in total futility. You cannot do anything to change them. All you can do is walk away and pray that God opens their heart to Him, and this is something Christians need to practice more rather than wasting so much energy yelling at walls. Casting pearls before swine and he who has ears to hear and such. See >>535263799
>>535262881NOT GOING TO WORSHIP A DEAD JEW, RETARD
>>535264499>GOD COULD BE REAL THEREFORE JEWSUS IS GOD!Christians are spiritual semites.
>>535264903The entire point of the religion is that Jesus isn't dead, brother. Someone should have told you this sooner.
>>535263761Evidence proves Christianity is true.
>>535264315Show me
>>535264936Jesus is indeed God: >>535264148
>>535264936>COULD BE*is
>>535264315Nope
>>535265147To you
>>535265078>>535264148
>>535265185Wrong.
>>535265217To everyone and everything.
>>535262881Why do you want to believe in god what is god for you and what does it mean for you man God this god that but what does that mean, lost people just wanna have a nice story to tell themselves >>535263552>>535263925Funny because you are here trying to teach us or something like the posts you've made indirectly imply you know more than everyone else and you are somehow someone that can judge the rest and tell what is what can you really or are you just one of us
Secularism destroyed EuropeAbandoning God leads to desolation.
>>535262881you're dumb so this may go over your head, but accepting that your life is pointless and still trying to make meaning from it all is more liberating than any religious belief. humanity isn't special. we're made up of the same carbon that Jupiter has in it.
>>535262881>oh no! people don't believe these fantasy tales because a fairly contiguous view of history has formed and been preserved, laying rest to the claims found in the old stories.Don't be such a faggot, anon. There's a lot of wonder out there, you just need to grow up.
>>535262881>People don't believe in anything nowadaysBullshit. Atheists can believe in absolutely every blithering bit of nonsense theists can except for one singular thing - gods.>God? Doesn't ExistThose are Anti-Theists. Atheists simply don't believe in any gods.Theists - BELIEVE gods existAnti-Theists - BELIEVE gods don't existAtheists - DON'T BELIEVE in any godsSee if you're smart enough to figure out which one of those is not like the others. My guess is the cognitive dissonance believers will struggle with this.
>>535265985>Anti-Theists - BELIEVE gods don't exist>Atheists - DON'T BELIEVE in any godsWhat a deep and profound distinction without a difference.
>>535266159Gods are realGods aren't realPeople arguing about gods are fags
>>535263599It's shameful how easily your kind allow yourselves to be fooled.
>>535265985If atheism is a simple lack of belief then rocks and trees and clouds are atheists. Identifying as an atheist requires the active engagement with and formation of an opion on the concept of God, meaning it is in actuality a belief rather than the lack thereof. Believing that the universe operates unto itself is a foundational worldview at the conceptual level, which is belief. If you insist there is no evidence for God then it requires that you have some concept of what qualifies as evidence, which is a belief. The "it's the lack of belief" is just shifting the entire burden of the argument onto theists so you don't have to actually justify why you believe this beyond there entirely in your own opinion that there is no evidence for God. It's profoundly disingenuous and is simply weaponizing language to try and escape your own burden of providing evidence for why you believe what you do.
>>535265256Right>>535265284Wrong
>>535264499If you had not already surrendered your rational mind, you'd know that there "proofs" are logical fallacies.
>>535265985>Atheists simply don't believe in any gods.Wrong, redditor.https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/>In philosophy, however, and more specifically in the philosophy of religion, the term “atheism” is standardly used to refer to the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, to the proposition that there are no gods). Thus, to be an atheist on this definition, it does not suffice to suspend judgment on whether there is a God, even though that implies a lack of theistic belief. Instead, one must deny that God exists. This metaphysical sense of the word is preferred over other senses, including the psychological sense, not just by theistic philosophers, but by many (though not all) atheists in philosophy as well. For example, Robin Le Poidevin writes, “An atheist is one who denies the existence of a personal, transcendent creator of the universe, rather than one who simply lives his life without reference to such a being” (1996: xvii). J. L. Schellenberg says that “in philosophy, the atheist is not just someone who doesn’t accept theism, but more strongly someone who opposes it.” In other words, it is “the denial of theism, the claim that there is no God” (2019: 5).>This definition is also found in multiple encyclopedias and dictionaries of philosophy. For example, in the Concise Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, William L. Rowe (also an atheist) writes, “Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief” (2000: 62). The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy recognizes multiple senses of the word “atheism”, but is clear about which is standard in philosophy:>[Atheism is] the view that there are no gods. A widely used sense denotes merely not believing in god and is consistent with agnosticism [in the psychological sense]. A stricter sense denotes a belief that there is no god; this use has become standard.
>>535266512Wrong.
>>535266598>surrendered your rational mindYou're speaking of yourself.>there "proofs" are logical fallacies.Wrong.
>>535266602>Wrong>>535266602>>[Atheism is] the view that there are no gods. A widely used sense denotes merely not believing in god and is consistent with agnosticism [in the psychological sense]. A stricter sense denotes a belief that there is no god; this use has become standard.Your own source agrees with him
>>535265147Thanks for admitting your god is a jew.
>>535266409>If atheism is a simple lack of belief then rocks and trees and clouds are atheists.Just when you thought beleibers could not possibly be any more stupid....>Identifying as an atheist requires the active engagement with and formation of an opion on the concept of GodTheist: I fell for an irrational shit story about imaginary superhuman beings who are extremely concerned about how you have sex, what you eat and what you wear.Atheist: Yeah, sorry, not buying it.>If you insist there is no evidence for GodWhat god?>The "it's the lack of belief" is just shifting the entire burden of the argument onto theists Theist make thousands of irrational claims about supernatural beings that supposedly love us and want us to suffer, possibly for all eternity. It's their burden of proof. If your cognitive mind was functional, you'd know this.>to try and escape your own burden of providing evidence for why you believe what you do.We don't have to prove anything regarding what we don't believe. That's why you have to make up lies and fallacies about atheists, you've got nothing else.
>>535262881I'm not even sure I'm real.
>>535264588William Lane Craig sucks. I've seen his debates and it his argument always hinge on presupposing God exists. He hijacks something scientific that laypeople don't understand and then he starts with the conclusion and works his way backward so it leads to God. It's dumb and transparent and is only convincing to Christians.
>>535266863Not in philosophical debate, dipshit.Learn how to read.
>>535267370>Learn how to readAnd what you posted agreed with him, lol
>>535267182>AI OverviewStupid heathencuck, lmao
>>535267182You didn't actually respond to anything I just said, just deflected and repeated how theists are le totally irrational retards. You have no interest in actually considering any of what I just said in good faith because you're a fanatic and don't care about the truth, not even to the level of basic philosophical discussion which builds the entire framework within which all arguments are resolved.
>>535267289This anon gets it
>>535262881https://youtube.com/shorts/q1mP_PwMazI
>>535267431>pseudoscience is good when we do itI hate leftists like you wouldn't believe
>>535267289>heathencuck seethes with no argument>heathencuck liesLike clockwork.Maybe if you hadn't been brainwashed by reddit at an impressionable young age, you wouldn't be so stupid.
>>535267182Let me reframe and simplify this as much as possible: first you need to define what "evidence" actually is, and we'll go from there.
>>535267456>heathencuck parrots his fellow heathencuck's lieBirds of a feather.Heathencucks are addicted to lying because their entire worldview is built on lies.
>>535266409>If atheism is a simple lack of belief then rocks and trees and clouds are atheists.Incorrect as rocks, trees and clouds are incapable of holding beliefs and beings that use reason to evaluate and reject them.
>>535267431>t. another belieber obsessed with trannies.I'm guessing you have quite the collection of LGBTQ memes. For no apparent reason.
>Christianity
>>535266409>burden of the argument onto theistsYou claim your favorite flavor of God is real then the burden is on you to prove it. Simple as
>>535267582What is the supposed lie exactly?
>>535267604Literally speaking, the lack of belief is just that. It doesn't require that something possesses the capacity for belief because it is the total absence of belief at all.
>>535267553That's a you problem. Either you have evidence convincing enough or you don't.
>>535267528You're the only one who hasn't made an argument, retard. You posted a link to a book by an guy whose profession is lying and shilling his preferred version of Judaism. Also I only visit Reddit when my browser's css file breaks after an update and I need to fix it.
>>535267784Define what "evidence" is. Simple question no?
>>535262881ALL HAIL THE HIGGS BOSON
>>535267724>It doesn't require that something possesses the capacity for belief because it is the total absence of belief at all.Like babies
>>535267813Whatever you have that's convincing beyond a reasonable doubt. Simple criteria no?
>>535267860Wow I've never met a time traveler from 2012 before
>>535262881>truly human hubris is fuckhuge at this time What are you fucking about you imbecile?Most people on earth are religious and believe in aliens at the same time.
>>535267882So you do agree with what I just said then, that your argument is that the substance of atheism is the total absence of belief rather than being a belief? Then rocks are atheists.
>>535262881>>Other alien civilizations? Doesn't ExistI'm pretty sure if you worded the question correctly most people would agree that with the size of the universe it is statistically very likely that alien life exists.>Even if Alien came down and demonstrated that God indeed exists people would say noHuh?
>>535267921Define that which is "convincing beyond a reasonable doubt" to you, and why you believe that is the definition of it.
>>535268013>Then rocks are atheists.Yeah dumbass rocks are technically atheist. Rocks are also bachelors you know?
>>535267604>capable of holding beliefsNot in your definition of atheism.>use reason to evaluateNot in your definition of atheism.Notice how the gaytheist moves the goalposts and tries to retcon a new definition when backed into a corner.
>>535268013>substance of atheism is the total absence of beliefVia gnostic or agnostic paths>Then rocks are atheists.Nah, they can't actively reject the belief based on knowledge nor can they obtain said knowledge convincing enough to decide to change the lack of belief to belief You got a long way to go kiddo >>535268101>Define that which is "convincing beyond a reasonable doubt" to youI'll give you a hint, if your argument hinges on a supposition based circular supernatural stories and anecdotes, then that doesn't qualify as beyond a reasonable doubt.If your argument hinges on anecdotes and person feelings then it also doesn't qualify as beyond a reasonable doubt
>>535267635>missing the pointYou will never be a woman.That's not hate. Just a biological fact.
>>535267702>his argument always hinge on presupposing God exists.
>>535268304>Not in your definition of atheismThat's what the lack implies. That the lack of belief can turn to belief if convinced enough >>use reason to evaluate>Not in your definition of atheismIt is.
>>535267792>You're the only one who hasn't made an argumentWrong, heathencuck retard. I did. You didn't.
>>535268355Who are you quoting?
>>535267792>lyingQuit projecting, heathencuck.You're the one who constantly lies.
>>535268386>That's what the lack implies.Wrong, you literal retard.
>>535268313>doesn't qualify because...Why though? Do you actually base this upon some sort of actual and absolute authority, or is it simply your own opinion on what evidence is defined as?
Atheism is cringeSecularism is basedJust look at /ourguy/ Kyle
>>535268511Agree to disagree then. >>535268545>>>535268313 (You) #>>doesn't qualify because...>Why though?I explained it>>535268313>they can't actively reject the belief based on knowledge nor can they obtain said knowledge convincing enough to decide to change the lack of belief to belief>>535268545>or is it simply your own opinion on what evidence is defined as?Demonstrate a rock that told you it's beliefs
>>535262881> Even if Alien came down and demonstrated that God indeed exists people would say noIts impossible to show that god exists. Non-existence is a fundamental property of "god", anything that could be shown to exist would not qualify as a god.
>>535268421The post you seconded, you stupid heathencuck.
>>535268655Ah so what's the lie again? You can't seem to for an actual rebuttal so I look forward to another emotional reply
>>535268642Don't deflect. Why do you believe that your definition of what is and is not evidence (whether at all or "beyond any reasonable doubt") is authoritatively correct? By what authority do you declare your definition of evidence the correct one?
>>535268715>>535268355
>>535268748>Don't deflectI didn'tSo anyway, either you have convincing evidence or you don't. No need to deflect via trying to pilpul what evidence is or what beyond a reasonable doubt means
>>535268642No, I don't agree to disagree.You're just full of shit and you know it.Lack just means lack, as you yourself said earlier.Are you walking back your claim now?
>>535268748This line of argumentation is a dead end, anon. Even if you manage to establish that his definition for evidence is warped, then what? You won't be able to convince him of believing in God, since you've just established that he can't trust evidence to mean what he thinks it means.
>>535268798>can't explain itI accept your concession >>535268835>No, I don't agree to disagree>gets emotional
>>535268691Meanwhile gays became priests to hide their lack of sexual attraction to women.
>>535268820No you didn't, answer the question. >Why do you believe that your definition of what is and is not evidence (whether at all or "beyond any reasonable doubt") is authoritatively correct? By what authority do you declare your definition of evidence the correct one?You just keep saying "you either have evidence or don't" and yet you continually refuse to define both what qualifies as evidence and why this definition is authoritative. This entire discussion hinges upon you framing this, so if you refuse you're only demonstrating that you have absolutely no intention of discussing this in good fait. This is a very simple question and there is no reason for you to not be able to very specifically answer it.
>>535268313So witness testimony (which alone can be the basis of a criminal conviction) never counts?Retard.
>>535268820>>535268983This is the same Christcuck pretending to argue with someone else. They pull these little fake conversation larps to subtly insert their jew worship into everything.
>>535262881If Aliens came, we would know it's a datapoint known by the Zog to help them with their proselytism at trying to be the one world religion instead of the Aaaylmao one world religionFucking zlonlst fagg0ts only inviting Zogged catholics to organize their deception on the public>Please try to be less obvious
>>535268886You're lying and you know it.This is ultimately why you'll go to Hell.
>>535268983I'm just going to redirect you back to >>535268820
>>535268872If nothing else I would at least like to plant the seed of introspection and the examination of his life and the world around him through his own personal experiential reality, rather than through predefined concepts that he has picked up from others. All spiritual journeys begin with breaking oneself out of the confines of this mental prison which is profoundly unnatural and only exists because of French Revolution-era propaganda.
>>535269012>So witness testimony (which alone can be the basis of a criminal conviction) never counts?Can I cross examine them? No? Try again
>>535269091You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>535269045>heathencuck schizophrenia
>>535269158>introspection and the examination of his lifeYou assume I haven't simply because I don't believe like you. You're a square dude. Trait in your own jar of facts
>>535262881As they used to say a faith is a rich men allowance not ours, specially not in this times where everything is burning down. Civilization, system, hell even people them selves, once i even saw a French man in my country, imagine that. I tell you this are bad times... so faith is not something we can afford.
>>535269158That's fair. He annoys me too with how little he engages with the actual words being said. It's a level of intellectual dishonesty that is exactly the reason atheism gets a bad rap.
>>535262881>>535268835There's a reason "Why can't atheists define atheism?" was a popular meme.
>>535269132Your total refusal to answer this tells me you don't have one, and everyone sees it brother. Your definition of what qualifies as evidence and what makes it "beyond any reasonable doubt" is your own opinion. It is not set by any authority, but your own opinion. And because your definition of these things is nothing more than your opinion, it is not authoritative and thus no more or less authoritatively correct than anyone else's definition of what qualifies as these things. I'm not going to run in circles with you all day, you're not stupid and you know exactly what it is that I've just revealed to you. All I'm asking is that you think on it rather than being consumed by fanaticism which makes you afraid to look these questions in the eye. We have nothing to gain by doing so.
>>535269185It's a fact.
>>535267582>their entire worldview is built on liesthis is bad, on both sides
>>535269378>Your total refusal to answer thisThat's just It. I dont need to answer your pilpul >Your definition of what qualifies as evidence and what makes it "beyond any reasonable doubt" is your own opinionYup. Good luck changing it with your personal feelings and opinions about God
>>535269159All testimony from witnesses in the past and present that you never got to cross examine yourself isn't evidence?Heathencuck stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
>>535269414To you
>>535269483>All testimony from witnesses in the past and present that you never got to cross examine yourself isn't evidence?See>>535268313>If your argument hinges on anecdotes and person feelings then it also doesn't qualify as beyond a reasonable doubt
>>535269342On the contrary, disaster is when faith is most needed.
>>535269503Facts are objective.
>>535262881>God? Doesn't ExistSeems impossible, but I can't rule it out. No god dreamt up by humans exists though. That's just obvious. >Other alien civilizations? Doesn't ExistThey could, but it seems so unlikely that these civilizations will exist in other galaxies and we'll never even know they exist, much less communicate with them. Meeting them will never happen in a billion years. >Even if Alien came down and demonstrated that God indeed exists people would say noIt would be a highly dubious occurrence that would seem fake as fuck. Only a demonstration of extraordinary godlike powers would convince skeptics. Even then it would be tough to prove that it wasn't some trick.
>>535269542>anecdotesAll witness testimony is "anecdotes"?Yes or no?
>>535269579I've never seen anyone pray a house back together >>535269633Yet you keep giving me more of your personal feelings
>>535264315Dude, Im a Christian who believes in a God, and even I know that isn't proven, and is probably B.S.
>>535269670Try less strawman kiddo
>>535269469I'm praying for you brother and I say this ij the most loving sense possible, not out of conceit. Whatever is going on with you isn't coming from your genuine obsession with this topic but out of pain and anger, something you haven't been able to reconcile. There is no other reason that one becomes this combative against religion at the conceptual level and I tell you this from my lived experience, that I know something hurt you to bring you here. God is always going to be there waiting with open arms and ineffable love for you whenever you're ready to come home.
>>535269641The God of Christianity exists: >>535264148.Christianity is true.
>>535269673>I've never seen anyone pray a house back togetherSo what?
the universe is so vast and filled with systems that aliens obviously exist
>>535269579Perhaps, perhaps only time will tell if that faith is or was well placed.
>>535269676>I'm a Christian but I reject the single most foundational aspect of the entire Christian faithRight
>>535269673Facts are not feelings.
>>535269707>I'm praying for you brotherYou aren't >>535269740No need for faith
>>535269676Wrong. It is proven.Also, you're a heathencuck. Why do heathencucks lie so much? It's actually insane.
>>535269763But it's not the single most fundamental aspect.
>>535269807I actually just did, and I'm going to continue to do so, and you can't do anything to stop me. God bless you.
>>535269819>Wrong. It is provenTo you>>535269876>I actually just didYou didn't
>>535269708So the jews' most sacred book, the Torah, is the true word of the one true god, Yahweh, who is the Father of Jesus, who is also Yahweh along with some weird "spirit" that's never really explained all that well. Makes sense.
>>535269869The entirety of the Christian faith hinges upon Jesus having risen from the dead; >14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. 20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.1 Corinthians 15:14-20
>>535269905You only believe that because genuine platonic affection is alien to you and absent from your life. Again, I know this from my own lived experience. You are and are going to be in my prayers.
>>535269905>To youTo everyone who examines the evidence.Some just refuse to accept it for emotional reasons, like you.
>>535269997Oh, so we can ignore the immaculate conception, loaves and fish, the walking on Water, the healing the blind, because the story had an end credit scene happy ending for the folks involved? Got it.
>>535269757You don't know the real odds of life starting from non-life. After that, it takes a lot of doing to get complex life. After that, it takes a lot of doing to get intelligent life. The odds are stacked against a life-filled universe.
>>535269807>No need for faithNon sequitur.Why are heathencucks so terrible at logic?We need to bring back formal logic, which heathencucks removed from the school curriculum to dumb people down.
>>535270096>I'm a Christian>but I reject and mock everything about it including JesusYou are either lying about your faith or need to throw yourself at the foot of the cross.
>>535269869Yes it is, you lying heathencuck retard.It is literally the center of Christianity.Next time, don't make your LARP so stupid. Heathencuck idiot.
>>535270066>emotional Trolling Kek>>535270079>To everyone who examines the evidenceThat's objectively wrong lol
>>535270136>>No need for faith>Non sequitur.Nah, people build houses
>>535269968Yes.>that's never really explainedNo.https://www.gotquestions.org/who-Holy-Spirit.html
>>535270328I'll be praying that God heals your heart of believing that no one cares about you too now.
This discussion is such ass
>>535270393>believing that no one cares about you tooI don't believe that lol.Thanks for demonstrating how disingenuous you are though
>>535270367>Nah, people build housesAre you literally incapable of grasping what a non sequitur is?Heathencuck stupidity is mind blowing sometimes.
>>535270379That wasn't much explanation. >It's god. Ok? And? Why does it exist? Because 3 is a magic number and you can't have just a god made of two parts. Gotta have three. > He is Spirit, that is, He is immaterial. And He is Holy, that is, set apart and without sin. All very vague. No real explanation. All this does is define holy and spirit. Yeah, we got that. Anyway, your religion is silly and and an offshoot sect of judaism.
>>535270328No, it's objectively right.
>>535262881Which God?
>>535270638>Are you literally incapable of grasping what a non sequitur is?I don't think you are capable of understanding 2nd or 3rd order of effects
>>535270096Why are you even pretending you're Christian, you lying heathencuck retard?
>>535270678To you, which is just your opinion
>>535270463What would you like to discuss?
>>535270225No, Im mocking you retards who can't even defend your faith properly.
>>535270664>That wasn't much explanation.You didn't even read it.Stop lying all the time. It's bad for you.
>>535262881because even if both are real it won't matter to 90% or more of the population retard, let's say ayy lmaos show up and give us evidence about The Creator/God, it won't change a thing because 90% or more of the population will still have to wake up and go to work tomrrow because is monday, they will have to pay bills and rent, pay taxes who will go to rich fags, boomers, corporations and endless wars, eat food with microplastic and chemicals, waste 1 hour or more on commute daily just to go to work, everything keep getting worse from women to food to entertainment, work until your late 60's to retire to have some "fun" but you can't have fun at that age duo to your body and mind falling apart etc
>>535269704>Nu athiest does not use facilities properlyMore news at 11
>>535270664>made of N parts.Once again, showing you don't understand Christian doctrine.
>>535270739Nope.
>>535270921A new retard has entered the chat
>>535270712Your stupidity is a great example of why we need to bring back formal logic.
>>535271009You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>535262881God does exist>>Christ is King>>Aliens are fallen angels
>>535270694The one invented by Jews who says that Jews are special and destined to rule over mankind.
>>535270805>I'm a lying piece of shit heathencuckWe know
>>535271070It's a fact.
>>535262881okay. but what if 'god' comes down, but he's not all powerful. He's like some trash boss. More powerful than us at the moment. Created 3d simulated 'reality' (which is why its so awful). But there's much more powerful 'gods' than him out there.
>>535270886Of course I read it. It didn't explain shit. It just says some of the things it does because it's god. It never explains WHY it exists. The NT is all about explaining why Jesus exists and why he's his own dad, but it never says why this holy ghost is even a thing. It just says it's holy and it's a spirit. K>>535270980You niggers even call it The Trinity. It's made of Three parts. Otherwise why call it that? Why have three parts. >NO! It's really not three parts. So fucking stupid.
>>535271245Too bad you can't prove it though
>>535271070>namefag>50+ posts btidYou need to go back, you absolutely pathetic validation-seeking faggot.
>>535262881>7pbtidnot bad, not bad
>>535271253>but it never says why this holy ghost is even a thing. It just says it's holy and it's a spirit. KI think Jesus refers to it as a metaphor and not a separate entity. Essentially it's the feeling you get for doing the right thing. Often called being in spirit.
>>535271252Gnosticism is one of the most heavily annihilated heresy in the entire history of the Christian faith, probably second only to the Nestorian heresy, and the former is very close to what you're speaking of in this post.
>>535271276Make me nigger
>>535271273Wrong.
>>535271135Oh, is that judgment? Yeah, you're a true believer! You're just making Christians look bad. Stop, it pathetic
>>535271414>doesn't prove it Kek.
God = El = Electricity Lines Really Harvestinghttps://youtu.be/y6XpCpbOYD8#tag:link:\n\nPower
>>535271461Dweebs like that anon do more against Christianity than any atheist could.
>>535271384>Jesus refers to it as a metaphor and not a separate entity. Wrong.>And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.>But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.>When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.>But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.>But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
>>535271587this how power of God or EL works
>>535271408>picDidn't happen.
>>535271587All stars are actually holes in Aetherius. You can just fly into them and go there, no one is stopping you.
>>535271500>>535264148
>>535271734
>>535266332t's funny how atheists deny Jesus but don't deny any other ancient historical figures. The first history of Cleopatra came from Plutarch and was written more than one hundred years after her death. There is more written about Jesus in the one hundred years after his death than there is written about Julius Ceasar. Why don't atheists deny Cleopatra or Julius Ceasar existed?
>>535271686I get it. They are blinded by their faith and are so zealous to spread the word that they cant see their hubris. It's okay. It's normal
>>535262881It would be pretty odd to believe neither exists.
>>535271797>All stars are actuallyLights in the sky and local, because with certain altitude invisible
>>535271461You're not a Christian, lying heathencuck.>>535271686See? Birds of a feather.
>>535271730>>Jesus refers to it as a metaphor and not a separate entity.>WrongI don't think so >God sends an advocate And how do you know this "advocate" is there. From the result of good works Or When a seed needs to be planted and watered via good works
>>535271852We've already established that you're a lying heathencuck.Why do heathencucks lie so much?
>>535271767>Jesus isn't GodOK>>535271799>personal feelings Kek
>>535271587Electricity is names after the goddess Electra, which is the word for amber. When you rub amber on things it creates static electricity.
>>535271943
>>535262881aliens are what you refer to as "god."
>>535271846Because believing Caesar existed doesn't contradict known physics and biology
>>535272037Humans and their shiny rocks....
>>535272037there is your natural electricity in nature or EL or God
>>535272016>>Jesus isn't GodNot what I said, illiterate heathencuck.
>>535262881Modern pop Atheists worship failure and self mutilation cults are cringe and gay. There is only SOL.Accept no substitutes for the real thing, anons.
>>535272172>>>Jesus isn't God>Not what I saidWho got marry pregnant?
>>535271972>I don't think soDoesn't matter. You're stupid and wrong, as I showed.
>>535272016>>personal feelingsNo. Historical facts.
>>535272180Atheism is part of a larger bundle originally. It doesn't work on its own. So it can be coopted pretty easily I imagine
>>535272129Neither does Jesus.
>>535262881If Jesus can back and told us we had to love each other -including the people we don’t like- we would crucify Him again
>>535272165There is public transport powered by wire less electricity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUeo5sagkA
>>535272129Measuring something that exists entirely outside the confines of physics and biology is retarded. But if you demand physical proof then Eucharistic miracles will be of interest to you, particularly how every single one is type AB+ blood (universal recipient) despite only 2% of all humans possessing this type and us having many EMs from long before blood types were even discovered, the oldest known one being from the 750s. It is by all practicality totally mathematically impossible for all of them to be AB+ across all of history. The Shroud of Turin is also AB+. Of all samples with actual tissue, they are all human cardiac muscle from the left ventricle which was "removed" from a heart that was still alive, beating, and under profound levels of stress beyond what any normal human would ever experience, even by the standards of ancient warfare.
>>535272292If Jesus came back world governments would dissolve lol
>>535272208No one got her pregnant. She conceived as a virgin by the power of the Holy Spirit.
>>535272230>>I don't think so>Doesn't matterIt does to you lol>>535272244You haven't given any kiddo
>>535272292Jews crucified Christ because he said that "before Abraham was I am" and that God can make "children of Abraham out of rocks", not because he preached hippie nonsense.
>>535272125Wrong.
>>535272330Then N. Tesla finger out how to wireless electricity accessible to every one make weird only and charge money for free energy
>>535272271Walking on water, turning water to wine, curing blindness, and many, many more.
>>535272413>No one got her pregnant.Ah so the story isn't real then. Got it
>>535272165The name El has nothing to do with the our word for electricity. It's just a coincidence. It's named after Electra, period.
>>535272463Wrong.
>>535272565Still not seeing these supposed historical facts little bro
>>535271408All books written by people , they created God in their own image and wrote books about it. Books still have value
>>535272413Was Jesus was a haploid? He only had one set of chromosomes?
>>535272615>>535264148
>>535272413Christianity was one of the original forms of feminism. A woman cheated on her husband and lied about it, and then he believed her like a cuck and raised another man's son like a cuck. And of course if anyone points this out you cry "muh Talmud! jews said the same thing so that makes you a jew!". So by using that circular logic now a billion people worship a jewish woman who betrayed her husband.
>>535272377>Measuring something that exists entirely outside the confines of physics and biology is retarded.The other guy asked why atheists deny Jesus but not Caesar, I explained why. I don't know about the first thing, but the Shroud of Turin is an obvious forgery. If Jesus' visage was truly imprinted onto the burial cloth, thr apostles would have seen it when they went into the Tomb, but it's never mentioned in the Bible.
>>535264999>worshipping a jew who beefed with other jews because they weren't being jewish enoughdisgusting.
>>535272667>checks >personal feelings Nope, no facts to be found duder
>>535272636The Bible is divinely inspired.
>>535272686>If Jesus' visage was truly imprinted onto the burial cloth, thr apostles would have seen it when they went into the Tomb, but it's never mentioned in the BibleExactly and the shroud doesn't match what Peter saw in the tomb
>>535272778>believes the hand of a jew is the hand of GodYeah we know you are a jew worshiper.
>>535272778Which version?
>>535272506Those wirelesses tramp trolleys doesn't exist any more. We live on the ruins of the old Godly or El or electricity world
>>535272675Nope.
>>535272921>no no no no it can't be possible that a jewish woman cheated>it just HAD to be a virgin birth goy
>>535272009yeah, just as much as you've established the "proof" of the resurrection. Sure thing bud
>>53527268618 years of Jesus's life are totally absent of any mention whatsoever the bible as well and we have literally no idea what he did during this entire time though. The absence of something within scripture can't automatically disqualify it as legitimate. Despite what gaytheists claim the Shroud has never been deboonked and several more modern dating methods have all returned a date of the 1st century. When people say it's been proven as a forgery they're literally referring to one single-specimen study from like 15 years ago that returned a date from the medieval period. It was originally supposed to examine seven specimens from different areas of the fabric, but only examined one from the fringe, and this alone disqualifies the entire study from being able to prove or disprove anything.
>>535272686Wrong.https://youtube.com/watch?v=OElbxDPsqpw>>535272812>heathencuck parroting whatever nonsense his fellow heathencuck says
>>535272724Nope. Historical facts.
>>535272843Whatever the authors wrote.
>>535273076>jewish fairytales>historical factspick one
>>535272921Christians are brainwashed retards or psychopaths who use it to control others. I can tell you are the psychopath type of Christian.
>>535273015These two videos are also excellent analyseshttps://youtube.com/shorts/J4VfJYcmV64https://youtu.be/DA9unW5A0pk
>>535273015>>535273076>keeps giving personal feelings Lmao
>>535272983>it can't be possible that a jewish woman cheatedNo one said that, you stupid heathencuck.We're talking about a particular case.>it just HAD to be a virgin birthCorrect: >>535264148.
>>535273128How do you know we have it all?
>>535273190Nope. Historical facts.
>>535273163Not an argument.
>>535272675wait, so that ALSO means Christianity is one of the first anti-semitic religions. Now you can use that logic to get Christians to STOP defending Israel over their own country.
>>535273150The resurrection of Jesus is a historical fact.
>>535273252>still can't prove it Kek, I accept your concession
>>535273209>>535273252This is why you have to prey on children to keep your cult going. Shameless!
>>535272778Morality is practical rationality with intention to serve life. based on natural order of nature.I have it inside of me with out being told because I am not nigger . For people with broken human dignity morality is like traffic rules for life, speeding/ sin is fun, but bring you not far .Professional God lovers provide service to dull people for payment. Some times it is not voluntaryheritics get BBQ ed in public and horrified mothers teaching kids to fear God. Religious wars are about territory with people who pay 10% from their income to church.
>>535272995Correct.
>>535273003>The absence of something within scripture can't automatically disqualify it as legitimate. Automatically, no. I can't deny with 100% certainty that the apostles just didn't mention that part. But then one has to ask... why not? Did the apostles not see the huge image of Jesus on the burial cloth? Or did they not deem such a detail worth noting down? Both possibilities just seem beyond silly to me, anon. Even if I can't explain how it was done, it seems much more likely that it was forged.>>535273015I'm not watching any youtube videos. If you have a point to make, take responsibility by saying it yourself.
>>535273286I am presenting an argument that many Christians are actual psychopathic predators, and your behavior is clear evidence of that.
If you drove to Jupiter at 55 MPH it would take approximately 1000 years to get there.
>>535273328NAMBLA was created by atheists.Vaush defends pedophilia and child pornography.Mao fucked a 14 year old girl.Atheist "intellectuals" in France supported abolishing the age of consent.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_lawsFoucault raped childrenCharles Fourier wanted to fuck children.The MAPs movement was started by atheists.Socialized "public" school teachers are far more likely to molest their students than catholic priests.Numerous atheists have been outed as pedophiles.Atheists defended Joseph Rosenbaum, a child rapist.John Money, the father of modern transgender movement, was an atheist who sexually abused children.Alfred Kinsey was an atheist pedophile hero.The famous atheist John Maynard Keynes frequently traveled to third world nations to have sex with boys.https://4w.pub/old-dominion-university-assistant-professor-comes-out-in-support-of-destigmatizing-pedophilia/https://streamable.com/hx77vhhttps://streamable.com/dyy2ghhttps://streamable.com/on2bychttps://twitter.com/GodEmpanada/status/1476733086217949186https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHNeOLl1hOs
>>535273324Already did.
>>535273401Why would you impose a speed limit? The space cops gonna give us a ticket?
>>535273336Not granted and irrelevant.
>>535273463>I already accepted your concession Kek, good. LMAO
>>535273429>NO U Priesthood was the original NAMBLA, it was the only place men could hide their lack of sexual attraction to women. Altar boy memes still exist to this day.
>>535273336'Believe' is shortening for 'be lie with'.The truth does not require to believe or imagine, lie does.
>>535262881Most self proclaimed "Atheists" (people are retarded, I know the meaning of the word) or Agnostics got put off due to God being linked to some subhuman 2k year old larp, with the most dysgenic Jews, a jew on a stick and retarded fucking Muslims spreading hate, degeneracy and evil everywhere they roam. The push back to religion is a proxy for a yearning for culture, family and traditional value. I for one am not opposed to God being real or an entity representing God. It's retarded Abrahamics that always fuck it up with corruption, degeneracy and retarded shitty stories that are obviously beyond fake. It's debunked from 300 different angles. But alas, the people are retarded, most will never truly contribute past menial work. And thus the larp goes on. If you want to reply and are a Mutt, look down to your Penis. If you are circumcized, please don't reply. You've been marked as a slave by these Abrahamics through genital mutilation from birth. You have no right to speak.
>>535273429>whataboutism All child rapist should be killed. Agreed?
>>535273600You'd have to define child ANDrape.Both have somehow become subjective
>>535273506It's not a limit, it's a Citroën 2CV.
>>535273368>I am presenting an argumentFalse.
>>535273528Not what I said.
>>535273885It's what you did.
>>535273535Wrong.>memesMemes are not reality.
>>535273761Ok Rodriguez
>>535273536Wrong.https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/belief/
>>535273959>covering up the fact that priests have molested literally millions of kidstypical jew worshiper
>>535262881>truly human hubris is fuckhuge at this timeNot as much hubris as planting a tree of knowledge of good and evil, and expecting someone not to eat from it "because I said so". Also, god lied, because his exact words were "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.”, but neither Adam or Eve died that day.
>>535273959That's gonna need a per capita translation. There are WAY more public schools
>>535273563Christianity is both true and good.https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TVENkH6AsYgT-CYuaZRqGjl
>>535273916Wrong. You're lying and/or illiterate, as usual.
>>535273959Most public school teachers are religious
>>535274150Which brand?>>535274187You're doing it again
>>535274109
>>535274278I wasnt saying it as a defense of anyone. Just the first one is a stupid statistic to use.
>>535274195Public school teachers and priests both exploit the vulnerability of children.
>>535274095I'm not covering up anything, stupid heathencuck.>millions of kidsYou are retarded.
>>535274358Agreed
>>535273508because you are dull idiot ... OK I will simplify for you.Sin = miss the target = from the mark = loose path of life for the fun road = not life serving deed = do something against natural order of nature Example is: do not piss against wind, you understand that, do you? , well more sophisticated things, Takes time to brake it down in details and lye out for stupid people. Legion with natural order of nature, not religion following authority of professional God lovers.Where are those subjects of fantasy religious labels, names, ? what role imaginary things play in your life? It is mind swindling suggested imagination , nice lye out or just a lie. Listen to your mom or wolves will grab you . religious people like small kids.
>>535274360Your jew worship cult is predicated on abusing children. It's the primary mechanism you use to keep it going. You need to abuse kids, because a logical thinking adult with a sound mind can easily tell that you're evil.
>>535274441Oh stop it. Jesus wasnt killed for abusing kids. He was killed for telling the truth, like Charlie Kirk. The world is full of evil, like the one you use as a weapon to hide the truth, which is why the truth is so unpopular and risky
>>535274106Wrong.https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2011/12/dying-you-shall-die
>>535274278So you admit priests more kids than you originally let on. In other words you lied and you feel no shame in it.
>>535274246You're lying yet again.
>>535274358Wrong. You just spew non sequiturs because you're a heathencuck with no grasp of logic.>>535274390>heathencuck affirms whatever retarded nonsense his fellow heathencuck says
>>535274047>Wrong.If something is right or wrong good or bad, then it is 100% not truth .There is no such a thing as 'wrong' You may don't like it , but instead saying truth you sinfully judgingSin cause suffer and if you suffer it is because of sin . Bible for stupid people: 'do not judge' it is a sin that cause suffer creates conflict.I understand that, in a fraction of the seconds with out religion, because I am not nigger. The truth is what is and what should be is a fantasy or suggested imagination or terrible lie told to people long ago by Jews. Electricity = EL = God
>>535274441Yawn.Are unhinged rants the best heathencucks have to offer?
>>535274420Religious people, specifically Christians, are correct.
>>535274660Nope. It's exactly the same amount I originally posted.
>>535262881There's just no wonder left in the world and people have mostly given up. Everyone just wants to get through their day.
>>535274802>If something is right or wrong good or bad, then it is 100% not truth .Non sequitur.The rest of your drivel is equally fallacious.
>>535274047>stanford.Jew rat grabbled education for little people who do time in school to get brainwashed by obvious lies ... You fucking stupid don't have your own understanding and can't explain yourself, do you ?Just pointing at what jew rats wrote, idiot ... this is a /pol/ life time opportunity to swallow some red pills. Do you wanna be "right" or you would like to make life more wonderful? If it is second, then you need to see the truth. Makes you free according your bible.
>>535275241I'm pointing out that your definition of belief is incorrect.
>>535274929 People are animals with ability to imagine and that gift is for the better, if you used to create tools to extract necessities for life or for worst mind swindlers Jews, created religion with purpose of usury.
