Welcome to /anat/, where we discuss the fundamental principles of WHY it is wrong to reproduce.>Man is inherently evil>Suffering is the language of the universe>To reproduce is to condemn innocent souls to painTherefore it is better to not reproduce than to do so.
>>535279395Kys. That’s the end goal of the philosophy. If you don’t you’re a hypocrite. Your philosophy is bullshit unless you commit suicide. Stop posting this garbage.
What if we're here because we deserve to be? Suffering is thus good, and we must do our part and have the sex to ensure that there are slots available for future evildoers to go through what we are.
>>535279460>Be born into the world>Be imprisoned in a fleshy cage until you die>Be hardwired to avoid self-harm especially suicideI didn't have a choice in becoming indebted to life and its fine print. I do have a choice of not contributing to its usurious asks, by not reproducing, which harms no one.
>>535280175Eat shit with your demoralization faggot. Idgaf. There’s maid every where. Euthanasia in Europe several countries if you’re too pussy to suck start a shotgun. You and Schopenhauer and ciorian and all these faggots that lived to old age and and naturally. Their philosophy is bullshit because they didn’t adhere to it. They didn’t kill themselves because they didn’t believe in their philosophy 100%. Just demoralizing everyone else.
>>535280175You deserve it though. Did you ever consider that?
>>535280344**died naturally
>>535280344>They didn’t kill themselves because they didn’t believe in their philosophy 100%.Wrong, you're strawmanning hard dude.
>>535279524>>535280350A world built on spite isn't one worth reproducing in.
>>535280559How am I wrong? They lived old age and died of natural causes. Straw man this dick you stupid faggot. You know I’m right.
>>535280604But we deserve it and so do those to come.
>>535280610Suicide is the one thing life won't concede. It only can happen if one is extremely chemically imbalanced. So why should I add to all the suffering by doing the most foul deed that causes suffering unto others just by contemplating it? It's best to just live life in the way that begets the least needless suffering, and that necessitates not reproducing.
Most people have children out of a selfish desire to procreate; they really don't care what kind of world they will bring their children into.
>>535281173>Most people have children out of a selfish desire to procreate; they really don't care what kind of world they will bring their children into.This. If you're gonna have kids, at least admit that it's immoral to a certain extent.
>>535281078Bullshit and you know it. I’m not saying life is amazing. Far from it. But unless you’re very physically or mentally ill, it’s not that bad. Life is worth starting. Antimatalism states that life is not worth starting due to suffering. But it says that suicide is not the answer. It’s complete bullshit. If life is only suffering, then suicide IS the answer. No antinatalist can handle the simple fact that this is the truth. That’s why you all avoid it like the plague. Lucky for humanity, antinatalists are only like 0.000001% of the population. If you all killed yourselves, we would be free of your demoralizing, nonsensical, insane drivel. So do us all a favor and jump in front of a train.
This post is made by a globalist that just wants us to go extint.Desify the system, have a family and kids!
>>535279395Worry not. I am here to sanctify man! Redeem him in the eyes of your "God"!By the time I am finished...You will be a saint.:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGo4ojeJPSo
>>535279395counterpoint,society is currently parasitic and slave liketherefore bringing a child unthinkingly, is not morally neutralno appeals to nature needed
>>535279395Living anti-natalist is an oxymoron. Funny how you claim to hate life yet cling onto it as much as you can. If i put a gun to your head you would suck me off to save your life because you are not really anti-natalist, you are just a faggot that wants attention.That's why anti-natalists are loud as hell instead of quietly having their beliefs. They don't really think that, it just makes them feel good when others try to drag them out of it. If you really hate life then shut the fuck up and kill yourself already
>>535281582This/thread
>>535281582>claim to hate lifethat isnt the argumentthe argument is that brining a child unthinkingly into this worldis not morally neutraltherefore it requires a great deal of resources support forethought etcabsent those reproducing becomes more precarious for the life being produced
>>535281387>If life is only suffering, then suicide IS the answer.It's not only suffering, but it is suffering at its core. And this suffering is ALWAYS imposed unto us by another, as one can't make oneself. So I am taking the path that avoids delivering suffering unto others altogether, as unto myself, so suicide is off bounds, seeing as if I seek to suffer not, why would I go out of my way to suffer, the ultimate suffering which I am biologically encoded to dread?>>535281582>Funny how you claim to hate life yet cling onto it as much as you canNo one claimed biology isn't real.Why is everyone conflating anti-natalism with anti-life? Anti-natalism is a peaceful means to end suffering, anti-life is a violent means to add to and ultimately end suffering. Not the same.
>>535279395Most insane attitude of the modern period
>>535281866Cope. Once you complete the suicide, there is no suffering. It’s just permanent oblivion. Stop tap dancing around the truth.
>>535281898>its insane to not unthinkingly create a conscious being
>>535279395If Christianity is real, then most souls are doomed to hell.
>>535281898It’s not even modern. Schopenhauer said this same dumb shit and yet had two kids himself. He’s a fucking retarded nitwit.
>>535279460He'd cause more pain by hurting his loved ones.
>>535280610The argument is about natalism, not living.
>>535282139What’s the end result of natalism… creating life and LIVING. It’s the same subject. Dumbass balkan.
>>535281504>a Spaniard of all people saying thisSpanish women along with the French are the absolute worst. How can you punish yourself like this? Absolute blood-curling traitorous whores.
>>535279395Counterargument. How will mankind repopulate when the world's population get low?
>>535281995>Natalism is often depicted by a snake eating itselfNatalists will grasp at straws in trying to explain how their sick and twisted beliefs aren't satanic.
>>5352822081. That can't happen because idiots are beyond moral convictions and will always breed.2. Why would mankind repopulate? Antinatalism is supportive of extinction.>>535282233You're making them out to be devils, but they're not. They're just blind adherents to the religion of naturalism.
>>535282179It's not and you know it. Anon is alive and may wish to continue living since he's gotten this far, but knows better than to repeat his parents' mistakes.
>>535279460Are you tarded?
>>535282413Again, the ultimate goal of antinatalism is not creating life to prevent suffering. So by continuing life you are countin continuing to suffer and refuting the entire premise of antinatalism. It’s hypocritical and retarded. (((YOU))) know I’m right.
>>535282365>You're making them out to be devils, but they're not. They're just blind adherents to the religion of naturalism.>Have been bestowed with the ability to Reason>Willingly waive this because it's easier to just do as everyone elseIt's the same thing, really.
>>535282499You can't argue my friend. It's ok, not everyone is cut out for it. Consider the following: I can be a slave, but against slavery. Is that incongruous? I can also be rich, but against capitalism. I can be black, but against niggers. I can be a woman, but misogynist. It goes on and on. Why does all this work? Because there are things we choose to do, and there are those that are chosen for us. Antinatalism isn't about ending life, but preventing it. I am already born so I live. I am not being a hypocrite. If I were a slave who is set free and starts owning slaves, I'd be a hypocrite. If I were a rich man who started exploiting the poor, ditto. If I were black and created more niggers and helped them spread over the world, likewise. If I were a woman, but also a fourth or whatever wave feminist, you know it. So I can only be a hypocrite if I make a change that defies my morals: that would be to create life. Telling people to kill themselves is never an argument.
>>535282856>Telling people to kill themselves is never an argument.It is when that’s the ultimate goal of your retarded philosophy. Ending suffering and preventing life. Again, you’re going against your philosophy by being alive right NOW. Also, r/antinatalism is on reddit. Fuck off back to that cesspool you retarded, low IQ moron.
>>535282541I did say "blind", didn't I? That said, I'm not a strict antinatalist. I think life is gray and can be better for some than others. Those who experience far more good than bad may have an argument in natalism.
>>535282365So this whole general is pointless since it advocates something that will not happen.
>>535279395I logically refuted antinatalism 4 years ago and just had my first child 2 months ago
>>535282987If you want to make retarded conclusions like that, then antinatalists should all be alive because they need to make sure that everyone else is dead. We'll only be done when we unleash nuclear armageddon.>>535283009It's not about world domination. It's a personal philosophy.
>>535283094>more copeGet the rope ready and stfu
>>535279460Wronghttps://youtu.be/EoPoYmC_4-Y
>>535283081Yes, G-d demands the sacrifice
>>535283176>ran out of logicConcession accepted.
I can understand having kids if one has a happy, healthy life and can guarantee their children prosperity. What's remarkable (and sad) is when unhappy people in bad living circumstances have kids. Unhappy wage slaves breeding more slaves. Now these types definitely shouldn't breedEven the rats in the rat utopia experiment stopped breeding when things got mad enough. Many humans are literally less moral than rats
>>535283238I said as much a few posts back. You need to be very satisfied with life and sure you can confer these blessings to your progeny to make it morally ok.
>>535283230Lmao you’ve already been defeated. You are still alive right now so you’re not an antinatalist. Nothing you said has been logical in any way. You’re a fraud just like your fellow antinatalists.
>>535283238reasonable take
>>535283176Mate you've made OPs position look better with your retarded emotional replies
>>535283307Your brain farted or something? Reread: >>535283094>If you want to make retarded conclusions like that, then antinatalists should all be alive because they need to make sure that everyone else is dead. We'll only be done when we unleash nuclear armageddon.
>>535283205no logic found in your argument
>>535283009>I should give up on doing good deeds since evil will never go away
>>535279395
>>535283364More cope and insults after being defeated. Typical.>We'll only be done when we unleash nuclear armageddon.So you want everyone else to die because you’re a miserable piece of shit and don’t have the guts to off yourself? Lmao. You’re fucking pathetic. Again, get the rope or shotgun and be done with it.
>>535283459My dumbass friend, I'll walk you through it since you can't do it yourself. You argue that as an antinatalist, I must kill myself because it completes the same goal as not breeding: reducing suffering. However, if taking life was allowed for the purpose of my philosophy, why wouldn't I first work on killing everyone else?
>>535279460I would hurt my loved ones by killing myself. Also I like researching and exploring this world so I don’t want to die yet, but I’m just not gonna live 100 years.
>>535283565You’re still here? Shotgun is waiting for you dude. Nobody is going to do it for you.
>>535282856what if you the creation of suffering for yourself and others is inseparable from your existence? would it then be required of you to end your life in order to not create more suffering?
>>535283644Concession accepted x2. Damn that was easy. Natalists usually are.>>535283646Can you please reword that more elaborately?
I should be studying.
>>535283738Still here?? lol. You continue to go against your philosophy by staying alive. Guess life isn’t all that bad huh? Dumbass. You’re defeated yet again.
>>535283784Funny guy. Still can't address >>535283565?
>>535283819Already have. It’s more dumbass drivel by the likes of the 0.00000001% of the world population who came up with this retarded philosophy.
>>535283644Your resentment could be better directed to your creator. If not for him, you wouldn’t be so mad in the first place.
>>535279395Why is this in English? Please translate this to a variety of African languages and post it by hammering it into trees in overpopulated regions there. Delete this one of course.
>>535283938Who said I was mad? It’s a debate and you’re making an assumption. I find it silly and retarded.
>>535283911>Already have.Where? But I know you won't do it again because you're out of ideas and will just jewishly recycle your same old argument which I'm countering. Doesn't matter. Everyone else sees it.
>>535279395I'm not sure if suicide necessarily follows from anti-natalism even if it philosophically seems it should. In practice, we're biological, and the seemingly reasonable act of suicide still takes a formidable act of will to overcome our strongest reptilian instinct outside of some overwhelming suffering (extreme medical condition etc.) or impending catastrophe (about to be raped and crucified by leather clad Mad Max butt pirates). Basically no one is a perfect philosopher or adherent to their religious convictions. Most Christian men would be circumsizing themselves and praising Allah if the alternative is being flayed alive as they watch their daughters be raped.
>>535283949Niggers can only be stopped by reducing gibs from whites. No talking can stop them from breeding. You can airdrop a lifetime supply of condoms into every shitty African village and their population would still explode.
>>535284002Plenty of comments in this thread laughing at how stupid this philosophy and the people who follow it are. No need to elaborate further. You’re still here by the way.. continuing to go against your philosophy.
>>535284083>You’re still here by the way.. continuing to go against your philosophy.Well, of course. You've enlightened me to my mistakes and now I must prepare to enact the extreme conclusion of my philosophy: mass murder. That will take some time.
It looks like Jews, who don't believe in basic free speech or economics, went back into history to choose some dogshit ideology that vaguely aligns with their recent genocides.
>>535283569>I would hurt my loved ones by killing myselfbut you are also all but guaranteeed to cause harm to others as you go through life, even if that harm is inadverted and less traumatic than the pain you would inflict by killing yourself. the question is whether the small pains that a long life would almost certainly cause, when combined are greater than the pain your suicide would cause to the ones who love you>>535283738if you wish to not reproduce because that would invariably lead to the creation of suffering, i am wondering if it is also a moral imperative for you to end your own life since your existence is all but guaranteed to create suffering for yourself and other people. what do you think?
>>535284149Exactly. Fucking retards. Antinatalism is low IQ mental retardation.
>>535280175>I'm totally hard-wired to avoid self-harm bro, nothing to be done about it because that's just how biological imperatives work.>Reproduction is totally optional. I am a superior moral being because I've transcended my biological imperatives to do that which is righteous - belittle parents for having families while I sit around inoffensively waiting to die.You are a gay fence-sitting pussy and your "beliefs" are entirely a matter of convenience. You are a dead-end consumer larping as a thoughtful moralist.This is not an argument, and I am not presenting a comprehensive counter-argument. I am just insulting you, because you are pathetic and it feels good. Faggot.
>>535284169Why other people? I guess it could be argued that it happens indirectly (competition over resources), but if antinatalism was about preventing existing suffering, I'd be a murderer like I'm arguing with the other anon. >>535284128
>>535284273Lmao
I’m going to murder other people because my life is horrible and I don’t have the guts to off myself! What an immoral piece of shit spineless faggot.
>>535284273I agree that Poortugeese isn't making the best case, but antinatalism should be against psychological torture of parents by definition as well.
>>535284309so antinatalism is about preventing future suffering? wouldn't suicide/mass murder also prevent that?
>>535284395You're retarded as hell. I'm parodying your conclusions. You can't even think. How do people like you write?
>>535284442Lmao your logic is like 75 IQ. Wtf are you even talking about? Everyone here thinks you’re retarded. Again, you’re still here going against your philosophy. Go figure!
>>535284427It's not about. I'm mocking the argument of another anon. Antinatalism is about what the name suggest: against reproduction. That's where it ends. This talk about suicide is a dumb tangent.
>>535284485(You) told me that I need to kill other people, dumbfuck. In a round-about way. You're just too stupid to figure it out.
Antinatalist pressure is always nice in a democracy If the billionaires listen to Gary Stevenson or ask the poor what they want it is WORKING >>535279460You are evil
>>535284488It’s against reproduction AND suffering. So kys and end your suffering. It’s the only conclusion and you can’t handle the truth.
>>535283757For what? AI will be coming for your field soon enough.
>>535284169I’m pretty sure I can do better for other living beings than killing myself. I’m aware it’s a bet and I’m okay with making it.
>>535284550And because I have to be against suffering, I must also help other people not have kids and also kill themselves. What are you not getting?
>>535283911>Argument ad populum
>>535284526No I didn’t. You’re putting words in my mouth. Typical low IQ behavior. I said to kys since you’re suffering so much. YOU said you want to mass murder other people. They enjoy living and you don’t so you want to take their life away? What kind of jewish insane bullshit is that? Kys and don’t hurt anyone else you stupid faggot.
>>535284488>against reproductionbut isn't that the means to an end (not reproduce to end of suffering)? or is the cessation of reprodution the end itself?
I'm only doing this as an experiment, guise. I want to see how good I can get at explaining shit to limited minds.>>535284648Antinatalism isn't "hurr I'm suffering therefore life should end (for me)". It's, "everyone is suffering, so maybe we should stop reproducing". My life is overall better than average, I'd say, but since you are forcing a moral task of taking life in order to prevent suffering, I must direct violence to others as per your interpretation of antinatalism.
>>535284273Why is every American poster like this?>hurr durr im retarded lmaoOkay?
>>535284817You need to be locked up in an insane asylum in Zagreb immediately. You’re an insane mentally ill lunatic.
>>535284666It is, but that's what the philosophy is about. If it were about mass death, it would be called something else. Antinatalism is a moderate and acceptable take to extinction (in theory, anyway).>>535284837Fluoride is a helluva drug.
>>535279395Be frooty and have Dingilingus
>>535284853Those aren't my views at all, but interpolations of your interpretation. Do you understand words?
>>535279395lol the MKultra experiment happening on this website has come full circle. Anons are now memeing themselves into kill themselves and their blood line off. Well done feds.
>>535284273Self-harm = needless suffering as I already am.Not reproducing = suffering but not needless if it avoids further suffering beyond myself. Get it now?
>>535284914Do you? I’m not going in circles with you because you can’t comprehend English. Stupid balkan. I never said to hurt others. You’re the one who claims he’s suffering. So end it. I’m not going to repeat myself again.
>>535284975>You’re the one who claims he’s suffering.Where?But according to you, antinatalists need to end suffering by any means necessary. This includes the suffering of others. Oh well. Brb, going to the cancer ward with a fireaxe.
>>535283981You’re urging strangers on the internet to kill themselves
>>535285016You’re retarded and mentally ill. Have a good one. You’re still here by the way. Going against your philosophy. Retard.
>>535285035And simultaneously pretending to have more qualms about murder.
>>535279395hahaha atheists sure are retarded
>>535285071YWABAAYou Will Always Be An American (stupid)
>>535285093>atheistsReligitards can't defeat this simple argument: >>535281995
>>535285035It’s the end result of their philosophy and they hate it. Funny how you don’t even mention the mentally ill Croat threatening to mass murder people. You sucking his dick or what?
>>535281078Yes, but suffering is the word you've chosen. You can also call it lack of joy. Pleasure cannot exist without pain. Not only have you defined your life by pain and suffering but you also live as one of the most privileged living beings in the entire history of the universe.Anti natalists need to commit seppuku immediately to free up resources for the rest of us that are thankful to be alive. Anti natalists are losers, faggots, and niggers. It is a choice to live in a state of such spiritual and mental poverty. The ideology of anti natalism needs to be deleted from all discussion as a completely indefensible and stupid position
>>535284944anon most of the entire northern hemisphere of the planet isn't breeding you don't need mkultraantinatalism seems to become inevitable once the species gets to a certain kind of awareness combined with a disillusion with what were once natural processes or at least the inertia leftover from the spent natural processit's certainly a sickness, but not necessarily wrong seen from the intelligent organism that has become in the good and in the bad unchained of its instincts(which are often good things)
>>535285168This. Antinatalists are mentally ill cowards. /thread
>>535285203>/threading yourselfYou keep one-upping yourself.
>>535285141>Funny how you don’t even mention the mentally ill Croat threatening to mass murder people.It's funny how you can't figure out that I'm interpolating from a view (You) have of what antinatalism should be about, not what I think. I know, thinking is hard with double digits in your head.
>>535285316>still can’t comprehendEducation in the balkans is horrendous.
>>535285173hey just wanted to let you know. you are insane.
Jew thread>don’t fulfill your biological imperative goyim>don’t strengthen your people or your nations>niggers and browns breed like rats and that’s fine>but no white kids>im totally not a jew plotting your demise and destruction
>>535285366>hurr no uAll you even learn is about the holocaust and MLK. You can't even hold three different threads of thought in your head at the same time and lose track of who's arguing what.
>>535285402yeah I have agreed, in some way it's true, it's a symptom of a sick animal
>>535285141Why do you assume death is the end? If reincarnation is true, you ruin other people’s lives without even saving yourself from suffering. It may actually make things worse.Now, I’m not going to help Yahweh bring more souls into this hell. He can do it himself if he cares so much.
>>535285443This. The jew croat wants extinction of mankind. Absolutely insane and mentally ill.
>>535285402>>535285471It's not sickness, it's evolution.
>>535279395this isnt reddit fuck off tranny, this is a website for breeding intercourse
I must admit that I have failed. I can't teach idiots to understand things. I wonder where did I go wrong?
>>535279395>antinatalist
>>535285573Lmao
>>535279395You fail at natural selection
>Life is... le good>Just ignore all the rape, murder, injustice, inequality, and sociopathy please!
>>535285443>demons are in total control of the earth>and you need to have children???
>>535285562By not realizing you’re the biggest idiot in this thread as others have pointed out. r/antinatalism is that way. You can join your cesspool of sub 80 IQ retarded friends there. Get lost.
>>535285782>>535285814This is what these people are saying unironically
>>535285538>it's evolutionI mean what does that even mean? one could argue it's "evolution" when an organism enters a genetic/reproductive cul-de-sac that will have it wiped out within few generations, okpurely from the very point of view of organic life, becoming unable to reproduce is a sickness, whether it's in the most raw sense i.e infertility through a chemical/hormonal/whatever process or in highly encephalized species through having been pushed into a state of mental health incompatible with reproduction is the samenotice I'm not saying antinatalism is "wrong" from the intellectual point of view, but I simply don't consider that to be a condition incompatible with sickness, intelligent species aren't necessarily ecologically stable i.e you break a variable here, a variable there and although in the abstract they might be correct about the futility of the whole thing all it effectively means is they won't be there in a blick of an eye while those that either did not suffer those faulty ecological variables or have adapted to them go onagain, this isn't a badge of intelligence, by the looks of things industrial civilization is so maladaptive to the highly intelligent people that spawned it that it's almost like an evolutionary trap and the planet might favor niggers going on in the future
>>535284581how would you reply to people who say "i'm pretty sure i can do well for the children i create"?>>535284879>(in theory, anyway).speaking of which, in terms of natural selection do you think the ideology could create more suffering in the future as it's adoption would mainly be done by people who are highly empathetic and intelligent enough to engage in philosophical thinking, thus leading to a scenario where the only people reproducing are the ones who lack those traits?
>>535285168>Anti natalists need to commit seppuku immediately to free up resources for the rest of us that are thankful to be alive.I was put on this earth, precisely to take up as many resources as I can, by one of your fellow natalists. So this is a right I can exercise, as much as anyone else, because it is the natural consequence of the natalist imperative of breeding, and there's nothing you can do against that, you sponsor it yourself infact, inviting suicide is against your own creed. I however, can refuse to extend this right, by ending needless suffering embodied in those who would follow in my steps. So for all intents and purposes, I have as much credit as you do in this life, but non of the responsibility over your suffering or that of those whom you'd condemn to living.
>>535285816Save an html of this page and give it to AI along with our IDs. See who it favours. Best I got for now. If that can't teach you, nothing can.
You need to watch "They Live" (1988) directed by John Carpenter.It is the absolute blueprint for the "Prison Planet" and "human farming" conspiracy theories you see discussed online.The Premise:A homeless, blue-collar worker finds a pair of special sunglasses. When he puts them on, the optical illusion of society vanishes. He sees that all media, billboards, and TV broadcasts are actually flashing subliminal black-and-white commands like "OBEY," "CONSUME," "REPRODUCE," and "STAY ASLEEP."The Twist:Even crazier, when he looks at politicians, CEOs, and the ultra-wealthy through the glasses, he discovers they aren't human. They are hidden alien/interdimensional entities with ghastly, skull-like faces. They have hijacked the global elite to economic-farm humanity as livestock, keeping the masses poor, distracted, and working endless jobs so they can enjoy a luxury playground.It is a phenomenal blend of 80s sci-fi action, dark humor, and savage social commentary on class warfare. Highly recommended.For more explanations about loosh and how oligarchs feed of ithttps://kohl chan net/int/res/28219072.html#28219714
>>535286012>>535286097>hurrr durrrrrr durrr da durrrr
>>535285814> demons are in total control of the earthNot in my house, and not in our lives. The world has been a place of both good and evil since the beginning. Being alive is a miracle and a blessing, and some blessings require hard work and sacrifice. You’re just a well-poisoning jew. Eat shit rabbi
>>535285974>speaking of which, in terms of natural selection do you think the ideology could create more suffering in the future as it's adoption would mainly be done by people who are highly empathetic and intelligent enough to engage in philosophical thinking, thus leading to a scenario where the only people reproducing are the ones who lack those traits?That's... actually a fair point. You're lucky they don't put fluoride in your drinking water. I don't have an immediate answer to this.
>>535286180Very objective and rational behaviour. I love being an americans! America is #1!!!
>>535286220Whatever you say rabbi. You will never exterminate the white race as much as you desire to.
>>535286220>38 posts by this IDSad. You have no power here, jew
>>535286311Lmfao the rabbi is absolutely seething
>>535286282>>535286311>>535286336Eh, you guys are kind of funny at least. Have a good one.
>>535285562You mistakenly assumed you could. Should have given up on the sight of the stars and stripes. Nonetheless entertaining.
>>535286401>>535286419Go back to your echo chamber of low IQ incels. Good riddance.
>>535286336Indeed. We deserve better jewish shills and psyops. This low effort and obvious pilpul is insulting [please be sure to never bump these off topic antiwhite trash threads]
>>535279460its not about killing yourself, its about becoming so connected to the gods that you realize where we are in the process, what our goals are, the fact that we have irrevocably failed in this creation, and are meant to return home. everyone here with a soul volunteered to be here. but the best souls are evacuated, or have you never noticed? that the best among us either dont reproduce, reproduce unsuccessfully, or seem to wipe themselves out within a generation or two. they dont strictly kill themselves either, they merely die off, and die in unusual ways. we think this was not meant to originally be a prison, but that since we have failed in our destiny (here), we have to try again elsewhere, but this place will remain for all those who obstructed the gods. the ones who used force and threats to get people to abandon the gods. they will have the world they always wanted. and it will be a hellscape of their own making.but thats just a theory.regardless, one cannot escape ones fate.
>>535286458>>535286474 >LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOUChildren
>>535286544Nice vpn. How’s the weather in Tel Aviv, moshe?
>>535285967Evolution as in natural adaptation to an environment which allowed for such a desire against procreation. Humans can engage in abstract thought and in turn this gave us the power to pursue ethereal goals over biological fact.
>>535279395>>Suffering is the language of the universeWhat does this mean
>>535286544Who are you quoting, newfriend?Please link the post ______ ?
ITT natalist absolutely ass spanked. Their emotionally driven pseudo arguments being devoid of substance and rationale are the equivalent of screeching toddlers going "no you!" over and again. Turd for brains
>>535286185>t. pays taxes to epstein
>>535286770Riiiiight. Touch grass retard. The majority of the universe thinks you people are mentally ill and retarded.
and its not about anti-natalismits about coming to terms with our own severed soul. it is the default human position to presume that this missing part of the soul is your soul-mate, who is here on earth somewhere. people will spend their lives looking to no avail and then settle for some unworthy substitute. but the severed half of your soul is actually not a soulmate of the opposite sex, but are the gods themselves.to find them is to die. to become lost from them is to be born.all i know is something happened here. the original purpose for this place is not what it is intended for now. and the gods seem to be calling us home. especially white people. you never noticed how we seem so accepting of our own extinction? how every other naturally race concentrates our own interests, a skill we have ourselves mastered, but are not using? isnt that strange? how we are all content to be genocided? its almost like an evacuation rather than extermination. a rapture of sorts. manual overrides from the divine preventing our self-defense creating this bizarre unnatural response.and you will witness something even more bizarre when jews figure it out, and attempt to pull the plug, but cant.again, thats just a theory.not necessarily my own.
so in this way, when the jew god reveals to abraham his descendants shall inherit the earth, thats not a good thing, its the makings of a horror story.>dont forget, you are here forever.
>>535279395nigger threadI need at least 14 kids just to spite the fucking jewsthey might suffer later in their life but lil Adolf 1-14 will know all the cheeky tricks of the jew and how to avoid getting fucked in their schemes.
>be mentally ill>know that there are plenty of people who are reproducing>choose not to reproduce because I'll be a shit father>this needs to be a personality trait for a bunch of faggots I don't know
>>535287101Nice numbers btw, I'm about roughly here tooSomething's off>>535287778
>>535285974>>535286187Peacefully evangelizing anti-natalism is the way to go about it. But even falling on deaf ears, those who aren't capable of abstraction to the degree of detaching from biological drive if only somewhat, will suffer but will tolerate it. And that's the key: needless suffering is to be relinquished, but needlessness fluctuates; so if one is to convince oneself of the needlessness of reproduction, they're free; but you can't free those who can't comprehend they're imprisoned; so the answer must be to act inwardly and outwardly but as of the latter without violence. If posterior reality degenerates because of this approach, there will still be those who will find freedom in this realization, and the rest won't mind their toils. It's not a matter of desiring extinction, as much as it is of personal liberation, but universal nonetheless, as one's epiphany, rooted in Reason, is also another's, provided the capacity.You don't cull a cow because it doesn't realize it's a cow. You just let it be a cow.
>>535288268Kys if you really believe in your philosophy. Otherwise you’re a hypocritical retard.
>>535281995>If Christianity is real...None of those abrahaminigger religions are real,anon.
>>535279460>41 posts by this id lmaoalso you are wrong and i can prove it
>>535280344>There’s maid every where.no there isn't. in the few US states that offer it, the only legitimate reason is a terminal illness and you have to be 6 months away from death (as evaluated by multiple doctors)
>>535281387>I'M FINE ok>WHY AREN'T YOU FINEthe question you people never ask
>>535281582>>535281825>t. strawman retardif i was offered a fast painless death i'd accept it immediately. no need for guns to heads. >YOURE AFRAID OF PAIN AND VIOLENCE SO YOU MUST WANT TO LIVEtiresome.
>>535281866you're arguing with dumb miggers
>>535281948> Once you complete the suicide, there is no sufferingyou're so intellectually lazy that you don't even realize you defeat your own argument> Once you complete the normal life cycle, there is no suffering
>>535282233>IF YOU DONT MAKE SPAWN YOU ARE SATANICwomen control access to sex and reproduction. women are inherently satanic. we just refuse to negotiate with satan. many of us prefer to get closer to God. QED
The suffering ends with me. I will not let the future men to suffer so that I can enjoy the present.
>>535279395>Man is inherently evilAgreed>Suffering is the language of the universeOnly living things suffer, and not even all of them>To reproduce is to condemn innocent souls to painThere are no innocent souls and pain is a motivator. Personally I hate every person on Earth and hope they go extinct but I'm not going to pretend it's the moral high ground; I just don't like cunts
>>535289417>>535289563Switzerland. Other countries. Cope.
>>535283911>0.00000001% of the world populationcheck the global birth rates lmaoclearly there are more of us than there are of you.
Why not just eradicate all life?
>>535284083>42 posts by this IDamazing to see a retard who doesnt know how IDs work trying to make a one-man crowd then claim his opinion is the most common one because he's a prolific spammer. shills are dumber and lazier than ever
>>535289892Proof? You have none. ANs are an extreme minority. >>535290024>no no don’t participate in the thread goyim! Fuck off rabbi. Plenty of other posters have said the same in this thread. The philosophy is retarded. Kys moshe.
For retards telling OP to kill himself, anti-natalism is against the BIRTH of more people, not necessarily their own livesIt isn't contradictory, therefore, that OP stays alive
>>535285110that guy's posts feel like arguing with a woman
>>535285443>don’t strengthen your people or your nationswhat people? what nations?we are "human resources" who dwell in economic zones. nationalism has long been a dead concept.
>>535290172Whatever you say tranny
Furthermore telling him to kill himself is accepting his position that life really is shit and you should kill yourself, instead of you know, making the case against saying life is all wonderful and b.s. like thatNo instead you have a visceral, almost animalistic reaction to OP when he even mentions the fact that life, is an overrated thing and then you succumb to itIt really doesn't look good for people who are pro-life, or should I say pro-eugenicism since you want others to die painfully while you reap the reward from their death
>>535286185>the world is run by jewish pedos>wow that's terrible! i won't have kids, then>NOOOOOO LIFE IS LE GOOD ACKSHUALLYlmao
>>535290171If life is worse than nonexistence, killing yourself is the only logical choice. If OP refuses to kill himself he acknowledges that life is preferable to nonexistence, i.e. he is a covert natalist.
>>535290385Well the philosophy is anti life and to end suffering you have to die. Antinatalists always say they wish they never existed so why do they keep existing? It’s completely irrational. Plenty of people enjoy life and the suicide rates are incredibly low. I don’t reap reward from their death nor would any other pro life human being. We’re just pointing out how retarded their philosophy is and that by staying alive they are completely going against it. Fuck it. It’s like beating a dead horse at this point with you fucking retards.
>>535290537Exactly>inb4 I’m the only one saying thisCope you fucking low IQ imbeciles
>>535285974>do you think the ideology could create more suffering in the future as it's adoption would mainly be done by people who are highly empathetic and intelligent enough to engage in philosophical thinkingcounter argument: people who think it's good to have kids simply do not perceive suffering in the same way, and treat it as mere background noise.they are the perfect wageslave golems and their kids will inherit those traits. we should let them suffer here since they enjoy it so much.
>>535287398good. the system wants you to reproduce. more slaves for the machine. good goy!
>>535290537If you tell him to kill himself he already wins the argument already>>535290546It really has nothing to do with their own life but bringing in more lives into a questionable world, you are missing the point
>>535279395all antinatalists should want nuclear holocaust. It would be better to end this nightmare once and for all.
>>535289889>just become a Swiss citizen and have a terminal illness, bronot an argument
>>535290824You don’t have to become a citizen. Suicide tourism is a thing. Look it up dumbass and keep coping.
>>535290093>Proof?the proof is in the collapsing birth rates, retard.
This thread really triggered the WW4 'tard wranglers AND loosh farmers. Anti-natalists are on the right side of history.
>>535290760>If you tell him to kill himself he already wins the argument already>Furthermore telling him to kill himself is accepting his position that life really is shitit's the opposite: life's a lot of fun, and deep down he doesn't want to miss out on it. the "so kys then" argument against antinatalism has never been seriously challenged, let alone defeated
>>535290546>the suicide rates are incredibly lowyou sure about that?
>>535290873Well, retard, the reason for that is overpopulation and affordability not because they don’t want kids. Nobody even knows what antinatalism is because that’s how retarded the philosophy is.
>associating aristotle with cringelord nihilismgayest retard possible award
>>535279395Why a picture of Aristotle when he believed none of these things? Indeed he believed having children was necessary for happiness:>"Some things there are again a deficiency in which mars blessedness; good birth, for instance, or fine offspring, or even personal beauty: for he is not at all capable of Happiness who is very ugly, or is ill-born, or solitary and childless." (Nicomachean Ethics 1.6)
>>535290930Absolutely. Post the numbers.
>>535290862>Suicide tourism is a thing.it isn't. >Look it upi did. i know more about this than you. i helped fund the Sarco Pod.
>>535290955Because OP is a low IQ spic
>>535290980>In what critics have termed suicide tourism, Swiss euthanasia organisations have been widely used by foreigners. As of 2008, German citizens were 60 percent of the total number of suicides assisted by the organisation Dignitas.Cope more.
>>535290937>people aren't having kids because of [examples of suffering]
>>535290920Not really, you just admitted to him point blank that he was always right. If you instead, had a more pro-life message to bring to the argument, maybe there would've been something to be had there against what he was saying. But you never did such a thing.
I can help with some reasonsMost 4chan user hate themselves so it is counterproductive to create mini versions of themselvesNot having kids helps.immigration, which is morally rightBy not having kids people have more time to fulfilling pursues like playing videogamesGerontologists deserve more money than pediatristsLess kids means less superhero moviesChikdren laughter is a terrible.sound to hear om the streets. Better to have old people complaining about the weather or the government No child has ever won the nobel prize
>>535291065instead of vaguely quoting "critics" you should learn some basic media literacy and evaluate primary sources. here, i will hold your hand on this since i am fond of helping retards and other invalids:https://dignitas.ch/en/accompanied-suicide/prerequisites/
Antinatalism is the logical conclusion of understanding life clearly.But countries need to maintain their populations or else suffering increases even more, making life more miserable for those who are bornSo a government must be pronatalist, or else plan for and implement a nuclear holocaust
>>535291224Lmao. You literally proved my point with the article you stupid low IQ dumbass. Want me to hold your hand show you again how many Germans went to Dignitas? Are they citizens of Switzerland? Hmmmm… tough question for you isn’t it?
>>535288268>>535290613fair point, but it seems like there is a win-win situation at hand here. those troubled by what existence entail, through their anti natalism, spare not average humans, but their own descendants specifically, people who through genetic inheritance would possess the pessimistic worldview of their ancestors, and thus resent their coming into being. on the other hand the descendants of the ones who do reproduce will most likely not be bothered by existential concerns.
>>535279395Will Japan's natalism push in gaming produce any results?
>>535291156No, I'm daring him to put his money where his mouth is. If he's (subjectively) right he will stop bothering us soon enough. If he doesn't even believe in his own drivel we can dismiss his opinion out of hand. There is no "winning" option for his philosophy>If you instead, had a more pro-life message to bring to the argumentbut I don't really care if he lives or dies? To be a free man means to be able to decide on what you want to do. It's not my place to tell him what to do, just to point out what he should do if he really believed in the things he says
>>535291682All consciousness wants to survive. That's mostly because death is seen as the greatest suffering. I don't see how that bears on consciousness that is not yet created. The point is whether the ride is worth the price of admission. Many people are saying no, but they've already paid, so suicide doesn't follow.
>>535286012I'm sorry, but I'm only capable of shaming and insulting anti-natalists. It is a respectable position to not have children due to circumstance. It is stupid and indefensible to create an ideology to justify your failure to reproduce and/or attempt to be the best parent you can be When someone meets failure in life such as unemployment, inceldom, or divorce, it is natural to be angry. It is stupid to create an ideological position and pretend that it is the true reason for your failure.There is a flaw in yourself that is preventing you from reproducing and raising a healthy child. If you could change your circumstances you would choose to be a natalist. Claiming that the creation of life is an insurmountable source of suffering is not a defensible ideological position. It is simply a worldview of defeat
>>535290930Since you won’t post them I will. “Per Wikipedia - Globally, it is estimated that well over 300,000 people have died by suicide so far in 2026. Because official, consolidated government statistics for the current year typically have a reporting lag, this real-time estimate is projected using historical data from the World Health Organization.” There’s 8.3 billion people in the world. Literally a drop in the bucket.
>>535279395I’m just not going to do it is all. Reproducing is for lowly goyim.
>>535292663>BUT MUH WW4 GOLEMS AND LOOSH CATTLE!!1!Give them nothing, anon. Godspeed.
>>535291444>just be German and have a terminal illness, bro
>>535293069Kys
>>535293154Nope. Unbearable suffering like mental illness is also accepted. Any more cope retard?
>>535292183by your own logic, my good retard, antinatalism is the same as suicide. so you must account for the number of unborn children as well. POST THE BIRTHRATE STATS
I'm sick of having to deal with other people's worms (babies) in places like flights or restaurants. There are already some baby free hotels but they should become the norm. A lot of millennial adults like me would be willing to pay way more for hotels and restaurants that are worm (baby) free. I'm sorry, nigger, but I don't wanna put up with the worm that came out of your womb. Fuck humans.
>>535293192until easy painless suicide is generally available and not gatekept by doctors and bureaucracy and money, this angle is a red herring and we can't know the actual desire for suicide. anyway, antinatalism is not about suicide, it's about not reproducing. i won't feed the archons. many others also refuse. why are you so strangely mad about this?
>>535293380Beating a dead horse.
>>535279395>>To reproduce is to condemn innocent souls to painI agree 100%, I'm not bringing more souls into this cursed world and condeming them to a life of suffering.
>>535279524>ackshually, we should create as much suffering as possibleAbsolute state of abrahamists
>>535279460nope, it is our duty to teach retards like you to free ourselves so we stop respawning in hell
>>535290821I do want that, though
>>535279395Why do you care about helping others? Isn't the whole point of your little incel cope that nothing matters? If life is suffering, you prolong your suffering by staying alive. Why suffer for others, if they're all evil? Why suffer for an evil world? Aristotle had children you braindead nigger.Acknowledging that suffering exists isn't the pinnacle of human evolution and expression. I'll put this to you as simply as I can: life is hard because you're soft.Never post with my flag again.
Eh having a kid is like playing slots, you'll never know what will become of him/her in life, what I do know sociopaths, schizos, drug addicts and poorfags shouldnt reproduce but here we have right wing retards on /pol/ screeching we need more white babies in a sea of endless brownoidslol
>>535279524>What if we're here because we deserve to be? Suffering is thus good,fucking pathetic
>>535293539If it’s hell than Kys and be free. It’s the end result of your philosophy. Cope or rope faggot.
>>535293646Get fucked in the ass, natalist.
>>535293757Antinatalism is basically sodomy without the act. You are an honorary homosexual.
>>535293855WW4 will have no shortage of casualties due to people like you. You're basically a loosh whale, stranded on the beach just waiting to be farmed.
>>535293953Can't live without crying, can't make a counterargument, can't talk shit. What else can't you do?
>>535291855>I don't see how that bears on consciousness that is not yet createdunless you believe in some kind of soul there is no difference between consciousness extinguished and consciousness not yet created. both are nothing and need no deeper consideration. the existence of the antinatalists is proof that not all consciousness wants to survive.>Many people are saying no, but they've already paid, so suicide doesn't follow.How many? And what exactly did they pay? If the theme park is not to their liking they are free to toss their ticket into the trash and leave. But when the door is wide open and they still choose to stay I have a hard time seeing them as victims
are you a man or woman?
>>535294010>can't make a counterargumentThere's an entire thread before you came in and squirted cum out of your ass all over the place. Start with that.
>>535294314I did. I literally destroyed your whole philosophy with one post. When I strike, I go for the jugular.Not impressed by this lawyer's manoeuvre where you pretend you have an argument hidden somewhere.
>>535294510>I literally destroyed your whole philosophy with one post.You didn't destroy shit, natalist scum. Now go breed like good a cattleslave.
>>535294017I don't see myself as a victim for having been born. I'm on the ride. The ride has some decent parts. Would I encourage someone else to get on the ride? Probably not. Doesn't mean I want to kill myself. As I said, the rIde is already paid for (the cost of being born is dying). Very different not to get on it in the first place than to kill yourself when you're already on it
>>535294556>still no counterargument>still in pain>still living a worthless existenceWhy do you care about anything at all, you fucking zombie? You are a death cultist in disguise. What pedophiles do with candy, you do with low IQ philosophy. There is nothing intelligent or coherent about you.
>>535294883He’s a retard ego goes against his own philosophy by staying alive
>>535294883>>535295088Now kiss. You'd have babies together if you could.
>>535295168Ok rabbi. Kys.
>>535279395Antinatalism is a psyop to achieve depopulation or soft genocide of certain groups
>>535280175>Be hardwired to avoid self-harmYou're inherently evil, this is pussy cope
>>535279395lolgo extinct, pagan tranny
>>535295618He is engaging in self-harm by staying alive. Isn't life suffering?
>>535295618All antinatalists are pussy because they know their philosophy involves suicide but they won’t do it. They’re not really antinatalists. All true antinatalists are dead.
>>535279395why don't they ever preach this to niggers jews pajeets and chinx that actually live in suffering and squalor ?
>>535295736>why don't they ever preach this to niggers jews pajeets and chinxI'm literally preaching this to 2026 /pol/ you retard.
>>535295774>my aristotle pic was meant to appeal to browns
>>535295699Kek he's got himself in a catch-22, hasn't he.>>535295723Anti-natalism might have some merit in some AIDS ridden shithole where everyone is a starving nigger like much of Africa, but they're all NEETs living in first world countries who have never actually struggled kek.
>>535295861And yet you posted ITT. How ironic.
>>535296029So if I'm brown, why are you only making counterarguments for the whites, if the point was to get the browns here? See what I mean? No coherence. Everything you say drops dead instantly.
>>535279395Ah yes... A retard jew general. >>Man is inherently evilWrong. >>Suffering is the language of the universeSuffering is simply a product of sapience. A nigger savage doesn't suffer. A lion does not suffer hunger. They merely feel it and then go out in response to satiate it. They feel pain but they do not have the capacity to dwell on it. It is no the nervous impulses themselves but the dwelling upon it which is the suffering. Suffering is simply the sapient man try to come to terms with the world he lives in. >>To reproduce is to condemn innocent souls to painPain is not necessarily evil. The pain that tells you to remove your hand from a hot stove is good. The pain that tells you not to contort yourself in some strange configuration is good. Most pain is transient. Temporary and to be overcome. >Aristotle.jpgAristotle had children with his wife Pythias. He engaged in life fully with intent to leave knowledge for FUTURE GENERATIONS. His philosophy is ultimately optimistic. The medicine is not refusal to reproduce. It is spiritual edification. True philosophical contemplation not these cheap pessimistic shortcuts; "anti-natalism" or "nihilism."
>>535296021And let's not forget that everyone is inherently evil, except for him. He's the good guy helping us out, preaching righteous morality.
>>535279395>Man is inherently evilThen kill yourself to do good.>Suffering is the language of the universeThen evil is the basic language, and you doing good would fail, ipso you should have children.>blah blah blah, I'm afraid I'll get rejected againcool, but if the universe is actually cruel, then not reproducing may guarantee you get reincarnated.Aim to escape, and instead doom as many to life as you possibly can!
>>535296272>why are you only making counterarguments for the whites, if the point was to get the browns here?None of these things were said anywhere. Please, leave us high IQ havers alone.
>>535297192What things you babbling idiot? You are disputing only one thing, and that is that you were appealing to browns too, which you implied here >>535295774>us high IQ haversInsane cringe.
>>535279395>Man is inherently evilPatently untrue.>Suffering is the language of the universeAnd what's so bad about suffering? Do you even comprehend what pain is? I'll explain:>you stubbed your toe>this is bad>now your nervous system tells you your toe hurts>so you become aware you stubbed your toe and probably shouldn't do that Same with being on fire:>first of all you should be made aware you're on fire>second you must be made aware that being on fire is bad>To reproduce is to condemn innocent souls to painThere's no such thing as souls, and didn't you just say men are born evil?>condemn evil naked apes to painProblem?tl;dr you're literally a vagina and also a dum dum
>>535297192>us high IQ havers Lmfao. Must be Opposite Day.
>never born: you can’t choose to exist>born: you can always choose to stop existingSeems like a no-brainer to me
>>535291682Again you are failing spectacularly by your own admittance, especially, that you're not pro-life, especially not his life>just to point out what he should do if he really believed in the things he saysAnything he said or did in this thread is still consistent with what he was sayingYou're not really making a good case for pro-life still. Why do so many people suffer? Why is society like how it is, where it allows all this suffering? Where is this society headed? Would it be truly, wise, to put more people in such a world? And so on and so forth, you have not addressed any of this of which was implied.
>>535297564>Why do so many people suffer?Name one guy who doesn't suffer. Have you considered the possibility that you're just a weak ass sissy? Rather you'll have to demonstrate how suffering is bad in general instead of justified.>jews make you suffer>do nothingVery smart.>being on fire makes you suffer>do nothingMaybe you'll get the hint eventually, which suffering is, telling you to stop being so fucking stupid and maybe put out the fire, or not set yourself on fire.>Why is society like how it is, where it allows all this suffering?Because people are retarded like you and don't comprehend the purpose of suffering.>Where is this society headed?Towards the extinct of weak ass retarded pussies like you who simply surrender to suffering.>Would it be truly, wise, to put more people in such a world?This implies a positive birth rate. Otherwise you're just putting replacement people into the world.
>>535297346>you stubbed your toe>this is bad>now your nervous system tells you your toe hurts>so you become aware you stubbed your toe and probably shouldn't do that Same with being on fire:>first of all you should be made aware you're on fire>second you must be made aware that being on fire is badYes, but you don't need to come into existence to learn that burning yourself is bad if the concept of burning yourself doesn't exist in the void, you fucking retard
>>535297311You are making too many (wrong) assumptions. Please, leave the thinking men alone.
>>535298338The thinking man that came to the conclusion that suffering is bad yet continues to live? Even though it goes against his “philosophy”? Real bright thinking man. Lmao. Kys.
>>535279395The antinatalists are right. Their lives are shit so they shouldn't breed.
>>535298338Your 8th reply and still no counterargument, only posturing to try to save face. What a pseud.
>>535297929That's circular reasoning - not that I'm surprised.Why would burning in the void be bad?More importantly: why is burning IRL bad?Just one reason, really.>it ends your existenceOr fucks you up in some way.What exactly does exist in the void? Meaning how is suffering different in this context than an itch or orgasm or feeling that you have to pee?>antinatalism can save poor non-existent souls from feeling the urge to pee!Except it does no such thing. As you already observed: nothing does nothing, meaning you're saving nothing from nothing, except you don't because it's nothing. The only thing non-existent people are is irrelevant, and incidentally all suffering you experienced will also be irrelevant before long, once you go back where you came from.>nothingMeaning it doesn't actually change anything one way or other.This demonstrates that suffering is in fact necessary for existence, since otherwise you stop.This in turn means antinatalism is opposed to existence as such, including the urge to pee (which I am currently experiencing).
>>535298577Let's take this one step further and have them commit suicide.
>>535298635Counter argument to what? You have said nothing of substance that hasn't been already refuted.
>>535298679Sounds good.
>>535298835You still haven’t been true to your philosophy and killed urself. You are NOT an antinatalist.
>>535297929OP confuses having with being. Life having suffering doesn't mean it is inherently suffering.Is life inherently joyous just because you can feel joy? Obviously not. OP is too limp dicked to feel anything other than depression. That's what he sees as the zenith of human evolution by the way. See >>535286619It's evolution to be a weakling who has been utterly defeated by life to the point he wants to end it. This clueless nigger says 'evolution is adaptation' and 'failing to adapt to suffering is evolution' in the same gorilla breath of his.
>>535298835You have refuted literally nothing. You waste your energy on little petty attacks when you could've just pointed me to your counterargument, but none exists.
>>535279395Suffering isn't the language of the universe. Striving and failing is. The suffering is where you end up when you stop striving, or never start. And trauma makes many never start and that sucks. "For whoever is joined with all the living, there is hope;". Why would you rob people of that with defeatist falsehoods. Children put your life and YOUR immediate wants and needs into perspective. And that is a gift whether you believe it or not.How the world ends isn't up to you unless you stop having kids. Because then it certainly will. And you can't Buddhist logic your way out of that.
>>535298877Because Hell exists, and most people will go there. If you were never born, you wouldn't need to suffer the pain of suicide and subsequent damnation. Atleast for those who don't exist yet they are spared from the tragedy called existence. Doesn't get simpler then that
>>535286012This is the dumbest shit I've read all week.So let me get this right. Everyone is inherently evil, so you're going to keep being evil and that's not a bad thing, because it is the fault of others that made you this way. By this logic, you can have children and that wouldn't be a bad thing because it's the fault of others for hardwiring you that way.You call these arguments?
>>535299111There is nothing to point out that hasn't already been answered, you're just chimping out because you feel personally attacked when I and many others say natalism is wrong. You are the goodest of cattleslaves.
>>535281078>it's evolution to want to turn against life>suicide can only happens if you're extremely chemically imbalancedSo which one is it you fucking retard?
>>535299626This is why you're retarded beyond salvation. You are making a false equivalence of suicide and antinatalism. Your children will be on the frontlines of WW4 and you'll feel good about it. Natalists are scum through and through.
>>535299592Arguing his points is now chimping out, according to the midwit. Keep your bluffing up. That's all you can do at this point. Tend to your izzat.
>>535299705>You are making a false equivalence of suicide and antinatalismI did no such thing. I know antinatalism is not euthanasia. The point is that the fact antinatalists are against their own euthanasia discredits them. You still fait to see how because you're braindead.And which one is it? Evolution leads to you turning against life in general, not just in the specific way you define antinatalism. Is this a chemical imbalance or not, midwit?
Fuck this world and humanity.
>>535279395I'd like to thank all antinatalists for not reproducing, i pray your wretched ideals die with your bloodlines.
A simple question to all the antinatalist westoids here: what is your solution for dealing with the white demographic crisis? It's like you've given up or never cared to begin with. And you talk about "the Jews" like they are going to reign forever. Whatever you think is exploiting you or causing suffering, it won't last forever. No regime does.
>>535299857>The point is that the fact antinatalists are against their own euthanasia discredits them.Not at all. Why are natalists so dense?>Evolution leads to you turning against life in general, not just in the specific way you define antinatalism. Is this a chemical imbalance or not, midwit?Again with the false equivalence. You are literally too dense to argue with.
>>535279395Is this the pajeet thread?
>>535299989>Not at allAmazing argument.>Again with the false equivalence. You are literally too dense to argue with.So another non-answer. Do I need to make a children's drawing for you? I'm starting to think you're too dumb to see what I'm getting at.If evolution leads you to turn against life, then it leads you to oppose it. You oppose it by not euthanizing yourself, because you're a lukewarm antinatalist, but others will go the whole way and commit suicide. When does this become a chemical imbalance, midwit?Also, you claim to be hardwired to avoid suicide so you don't try go against that wiring. People are hardwired to have kids but you go against that wiring. You're literally too dumb for this.
>>535299388Not a real place dumbass
>>535300131>Amazing argument.You failed to peruse the thread adequately, the answers are all here, laid out perfectly clear.>If evolution leads you to turn against life, then it leads you to oppose it. You oppose it by not euthanizing yourself, because you're a lukewarm antinatalist, but others will go the whole way and commit suicide. When does this become a chemical imbalance, midwit?You cannot be reasoned with, you are being too dense, hopefully on purpose, but I will try one more time nonetheless because others might get something out of it. Suicide is a point of extreme chemical imbalance, because it requires extreme self-harm. Merely foregoing reproduction is, as you said, lukewarm in comparison, because it is acknowledged that suicide and unprocreation aren't destructive to the same degree. Suicide is a radical threshold that isn't necessitated by antinatalism, because you don't need to kill yourself to not reproduce, thus suicide is needless suffering to end suffering. So my view of antinatalism does away with suicide, validly. And the antinatalism by itself is justified by reason of, simply put, the neutrality of no existence being preferable to the suffering of positive existence.
If life is worth living, it's worth starting.Self-proclaimed anti-natalists who've not yet killed themselves are hypocrites because of this simple fact. They try to dodge the issue, saying that "creating" a life is evil and that their own continuation of their own life (continuing their own SUFFERING, as their argument is that life is suffering) is somehow completely irrelevant.
>>535301694>the answers are all here, laid out perfectly clear.They don't concern my arguments. And you've ignored some in your last 2 replies, simply because you have no retort.You didn't answer. When does it become a chemical imbalance? And if evolution leads you to a lukewarm chemical imbalance, it also leads to the next step as it progresses (evolves). >thus suicide is needless suffering to end sufferingYou can do it without any pain to you whatsoever. And why do you care about minimizing suffering if life is inherently suffering? Why live a meaningless, hellish existence? I've stated this before and you pretended that you had already given an answer. The same will likely happen again.>does away with suicide, validlyHypocritically.>And the antinatalism by itself is justified by reason of, simply put, the neutrality of no existence being preferable to the suffering of positive existence.So why isn't suicide preferable to the suffering of positive existence? One quick moment is not preferable to years of suffering?Take longer to reply, faggot.
>>535279395You live in the best time for humanity, with best access to knowledge and opportunities to learn skill.
>>535301907>When does it become a chemical imbalance?When suicide is contemplated in earnest and at sensible risk of being carried out.> And if evolution leads you to a lukewarm chemical imbalance, it also leads to the next step as it progresses (evolves).If it comes to that, so be it, it's only natural progression. You're not one to judge that.>You can do it without any pain to you whatsoever.Fear of death doesn't ring any bells? It's perhaps the most common fear of all. >And why do you care about minimizing suffering if life is inherently suffering? Why live a meaningless, hellish existence? Because I am biologically conditioned to live. But I have freed myself from the ruse of procreation against the wishes of the material universe.>Hypocritically.Not at all, you're just fixated on the idea of something I didn't say.>So why isn't suicide preferable to the suffering of positive existence? One quick moment is not preferable to years of suffering?Because I am biologically conditioned to dread suicide once I am living, and I do. If one day I overcome it, fine. But as of today and for the time being, I figure it's best to just avoid needless suffering, unto me and others. It's quite simple.
>>535302229It already is a chemical imbalance to begin with, it's just not extreme (suicide). What you call evolution is its opposite. Wanting death is the opposite of survival of the fittest.>Fear of death doesn't ring any bells? It's perhaps the most common fear of all.If your fear of death trumps your "suffering" then you aren't suffering at all. You're just some faggot with mild depression. You're gay.>Because I am biologically conditioned to live.Straight people are biologically conditioned to procreate. The ones who don't get removed from the genepool.>But I have freed myself from the ruse of procreation against the wishes of the material universe.You have developed a chemical imbalance. You have a problem. You don't really believe life is inherently evil and suffering, otherwise you'd end yourself. You're just looking to justify your lifestyle.>Not at all, you're just fixated on the idea of something I didn't say.You don't have to say something for a deduction to be made.>Because I am biologically conditioned to dread suicide once I am living, and I do. If one day I overcome it, fine. But as of today and for the time being, I figure it's best to just avoid needless suffering, unto me and others. It's quite simple.>life is inherent suffering>im gonna live to avoid sufferingI'm out of here. You keep being a proud homosexual.
>>535302383>If your fear of death trumps your "suffering" then you aren't suffering at all.Spoken like a true apeminded grug. You seek to define suffering in the most reductive way because you are basic.>Straight people are biologically conditioned to procreate. The ones who don't get removed from the genepool.Let me. I am fine with it, I have attained conviction beyond the understanding of breeders.>You're just looking to justify your lifestyle.As are you, but I am grounded in Reason and you in selfishness.>You don't have to say something for a deduction to be made.OK schizo.>life is inherent suffering>im gonna live to avoid sufferingYes, because the alternative is to go against something I can't overcome not out of my own accord. I'm going to go the way that my biology allows, without dooming others to my predicament.
>>535302834Assisted suicide in Switzerland. Go and stop complaining.
>>535303695Fuck off, breeder.
