Why do rightoids hate sustainable energy?
>>535282185I'm pro nuclear thoughbeit
>>535282185Wind turbines and solar power isn't sustainable.Turbines are highly destructive to wild life, still use oil and diesel for lubrication and to spin up. Plus it's all purchased from China.Solar panels use rare earth minerals and are all mostly purchased from China. Kill your self.
Those kill birds, I do not like them.
>>535282185>windmills>sustainableif it’s not nuclear then get the fuck out
they saw two nuclear accidents and now turn themselves into a toilet whenever anybody mentions renewable energyalso, "it'll interfere with the free marker"
Theyre favorite thought leaders are bought by fossil fuel.
>>535282185
because independence triggers them as it’s inherently antisemitic
>>535282390How sustainable is nuclear? What do you do with all the waste byproduct?
>>535282314>i'm pro finite resource The worlds total supply of uranium would not be enough to match the energy output of oil for more than 10 years. And would require building 50 new nuclear reactors each year for the next 20 years just to get to the energy output of global petroleum.
>>535282185>Why do rightoids hate sustainable energy?Because of the ten megawatts they produce at optimal levels and needing constant maintenance...
>>535282185>NOW I'M ANGRY ABOUT SUSTAINABLE ENERGY! Why do leftoids
>>535282451Step 1: Learn to read. Step 2:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reprocessing
>>535282185Because the math doesn't check out for solar and wind, which is what the greens keep pushing. Nuclear and geothermal are great, though.
>>535282360Oil has all those problems and worse.The only advantage oil has is ease of transport, energy density, and a high return on investment because once you dog it out of the ground the energy is already stored in it.
>>535282366You should see what car fumes and oil spills do to cancer rates.Cancer kills everything.
the waste product of twenty years of a nuclear reactor running can easily be placed under the reactor's parking lot. or it could be converted into reusable fuel. or maybe even used in airport runways to prevent snow from accumulating on the roads
>>535282510>Im just a happy person>Get so offended by other people’s opinions that you have to furiously make an ai comic to let everyone know
>>535282441/thread
>>535282360>>535282366>I definitely genuinely care about wildlife, that's why I suck off Big Oil dailyGet in the oven you wretched kikes
>>535282398America is currently at war with a country because it wanted to pursue peaceful nuclear energy.So how is the rest of the world supposed to switch to nuclear energy if everyone has to worry about everyone else using it to make nuclear weapons?
>>535282185why do niggerfaggots like you pretend they like renewable energy?
>>535282583I am probably gonna get lung cancer cause I've lived with two chimneys my entire life.
>>535282185It cuts into oil profits.
>>535282451You bury it in a mountain and hope that it doesnt leech out or get stolen to make dirty bombs for the next several thousand years.
>>535282185I would lay those turbines on the ground and use subhumans to push them.
>>535282185Destroys the landscape, environment, the birds, is ugly af, and does not even come close to nuclear energy. It is a plot to destabilize a country and make it energy-dependent, such as Germany. But people believe it because "green", "green" party, nature is "green", "green" means "the good guys". Nuclear energy is baddie bad, nuclear energy is Tschernobyl and Fukushima, bad bad baddie bad.
>>535282489you dont have even the faintest clue of what youre talking about. that statistic, which is from the fucking 80s, wasnt even correct when it was first published, and its only gotten more inaccurate sincenow sit tf down and stop being such a nigger>>535282664windmills?no, they dont produce anywhere near enough energy to make energy cheaper, nvm impact oil profits. youre just a nigger toochrist. why is everyone a fucking nigger herenowadays?just stop being a nigger. its not good for you. nor anyone else
>>535282360>Turbines are highly destructive to wild life[citation needed]>still use oil and diesel for lubrication and to spin up.this is not entirely true. you don't need diesel for the spin up. turbines are designed to start spinning purely from the aerodynamic lift of the wind. >Plus it's all purchased from China. there's also plenty of domestic manufacturers.>Solar panels use rare earth mineralsthis is entirely false.
>>535282489>you must pick one or the otherwhat about both though
>>535282688Just dump it into India, they won't notice
>>535282360Not to mention also one those turbine blades and solar panels stop working they end up in landfills. A lot of these wind turbine blades and solar panels are made from toxic materials that leech into the environment.
>>535282185They are a facadeNeed a shitton of maintenance, don't work half the time and leave a giant concrete brick in the ground for probably forever (yay so green)
>>535282360>wind and solar isn't sustainableyes it is unless you turn off the wind and sun retard>turbines are destructive to wild lifethe same as my window is to pigeons not very>lubricationnot really>spin upno they don't. Very rarely they might have an on site generator in case of power failure to a main electrical point to keep a turbine spinning in freezing temperatures which is pretty rare to have freezing temps plus a disconnect from the mains.>all from chinait's not>solar panels use rare earth mineralsGlass mainly, ally frame, copper for wires, some plastic housings and some silicon, along with the small copper in the wires both make up the smallest part of a solar panel.So you're talking utter dogshit.
>>535282992this is valid, but something that can improve with time a lot.
>>535282185>1pbtid>functionally a memeflag>wind is sustainable
>>535283217True but it's not improving at all that's the rub. Both wind and solar energy have been around for a long time now and there have been zero improvement to this problem.
>>535282185Maybe because it just dont works ?And need infinite subsidies. Is retarded. Expensive. And of course pollute a lot.
>>535282555>>535282622>>535282843I didn't say anything about oil you kike faggots and it's you kikes pushing globohomo green energy.Kill your selves.I think we should be investing into aneutronic plasma fusion.
>>535283376The shit that makes you ask "what materials did they use?"
>>535282992Like 90% of a solar panel can be recycled the metal and the glass.Wind Turbines can be 96% recycled since it's mostly metal, the only thing is the blades which is just fibreglass but that can even be crushed down and tossed in cement. Still better than oil.
>>535282185those turbines are bullshitthey only work like 15% of the time because of windspeedsthey are made of fibreglass which is expensive to recycle and decomissionthey only last for like 20 years max
>>535282185because they want to be enthralled to arabs
>>535282185Apaic propaganda. If Americans embraced renewables, why the fuck would we care about what happens in the middle East?
>>535282185They hate energy independence, as it means their '''judeo-christian''' middlemen cults don't get a piece.
>>535282185Rotos are out I understand it's all done with wobbly dongs nowNo bearings. No bonked burds. Just tall white dongs throbbing silently in the breeze
>>535283474And it will still be cheaper overall than oil cope and rope dipshit.
>>535283454>96%By what fucking metric? Mass? Volume? Entries in the materials list?
>>535282185Propaganda and low intelligence. If you could free yourself from recurring payments to the fossil fuel industry, why wouldn't you?
renewables are White fucking powerNNWP
>>535282185I don't. I love sustainable energy. I hate leftists, though.
>>535282360The last wind turbine I saw was malfunctioning because it couldn't move due to all the dead birds. The corpses were piled like 200ft high it was incredible
>>535283454ah yes, cement, the most environmentally friendly of all materials
>>535283681Kill your self.
>>535283619it won't though, that's the point. They will stand there for 20 years, and only work for 3 of those years.Hydro is the way to go for renewables.
>>535283443Toxic composite shit.It's so toxic in Europe you can't handle the waste without it being overly expensive (almost asbestos level). So, we basically sent them to third world countries to be buried, because burying them in Europe is forbidden.So much for "muh environment" .
>>535283631by mass.>>535283689>don't look here look here instead!cope and rope dipshit thank god no one will be listening to retards such as yourself while you suck off the oil industry.>>535283798Wind turbines have an uptime of 66%-90% of the year due to wind so you're talking absolute bollocks.
>>535283952>shotgun posting shill
I work for an EPC contractor how installs wind turbines. Shits not slowing down. Ask me anything.
>>535284026>nooooo stay dependent on foreign oilrope cope any order don't care.
>>535284050why are you so based and i thought americans were giving up on renewables?
>>535283454>>535282992Homeowners can do the solar panels but they give off dirty electricity to be usable. Health issue if around that. When there is more dirty electricity, easier for kikes to do mind control on you and family.
>>535283952look up the require wind speed for turbines to function, then look up how often wind is at that speed. It works out at about 15% pf the time. I don't say this shit for fun, I wish it weren't true, but it is.
>>535282185I actually just hate people who hear what things are named and assume that’s what they are.
>>535284093>why are you so basedI am really not, just a functioning alcoholic.>i thought americans were giving up on renewables?No. Not at all. Still going strong on private land. Even solar is still going strong on federal land, but permitting is taking longer
>>535284050Funny how even an incredibly conservative place like Texas understands that wind power is too cheap and reliable to ignore. Their grid is over 50% renewable now at all times. Keep helping Americans even if they're too propagandized to understand how much you're helping
>>535282185we mostly hate the people who think its massively better than others1.) the cost of making2.) the cost of maintaining3.) cost of transport. those blades look small from the point of the picture but those things are fucking huge4.) cost of storage, spare parts, the energy itself, etc5.) not thinking about nonwindy days. most energy demands are in the afternoon when people go home, the fuck is going to happen during the day when most are at work and still making the same amount of power? do you have any fucking idea how fucking huge an industrial building sized battery is going to cost?
>>535284164Surely you have a source?
>>535284250That's good to hear thought Trump was just nuking it for everyone.
We will, but just later
>>535284260oooooofff trying to hide that duck curve much?
>>535282185it gives me the ick
>>535284281Battery technology will keep improving and you will be able to easily store all that electricity for when you need it.
>>535284295I'm not the fucking cunt calling people dipshits for questioning the almighty renewable lord of shite. Go fuck yourself and prove me wrong.
>>535284390Who is trying to hide anything? It's expected that solar would not work at night and battery storage is too limited at the moment to mitigate that. Which is why mass battery installation is happening right now. Wind continues 24/7 though at 30-40% of the grid capacity.
>>535284454>wind doesn't wind enough!>got a source for that?>NOOOOOOOOOOlmaooooooooooooooo fucking nigger mong
>>535282185The technology is still young. It will take decades before it can generate as much power as coal, oil or even nuclear and be small enough to be economical..
>>535282894Realistic solutions to the energy crisis is an enemy of the jew.
>>535284446sodium ion batteries are looking fantastic, I hope they keep being developed more
>>535282185im pro nuclear fusion
>>535282185>Something something climate change isn't real something something the rapture is coming something nothing matters.
>>535284496that giant fuck-off chart key is hiding the duck curve. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.
>>535284502have you looked it up? please post your findings.
>>535284614>find this secret graph of wind speeds that i made upmaybe just kill yourself instead?
>>535282622pls point out in my post where I mentioned oil at all
>>535284446while true that has also been said for the past 50 or 60ish years.it wont happen in our lifetimes
>>535284572How are you this fucking dumb man? The entire point of the thread is wind is highly productive in the most conservative part of America and the graph supports that. Nothing is being hidden.
>>535282489>What is a breeder reactor?Yeah in a billion trillion years we will have converted all the matter on earth into heat.
>>535284701hes a retarded oil shill probably a UAE paki on a vpn
>>535284663Okay I will do it for you
>>535282429>I haven't seen the wind>therefore its not realholy shit how did 1/3 of this godforaken country vote for this retard
>>535284744the average speed (at best) is 10 mphthe efficiency at 10mph is between 10 and 30% i/e 15%
>>535284744>Most commercial wind turbines require a minimum wind speed of 6 to 9 mph (9 to 15 km/h) to start turning.womp womp kill yourself retard, also is that on land? What about out at sea which is where most of ours go you fucking pleb.
>>535282185Rightoids only exist to keep jews in power and do their bidding apparently
>>535284701no, the thread is by some VPN kike looking to swing the pendulum, and you are a robot. Switch yourself off lad.
>>535284861yes to start fucking turning. Well done spastic, now see >>535284856
>>535284856>>535284920>The average offshore wind speed in the UK typically ranges between 8 metres per second (m/s) and 11 m/s (roughly 18 mph to 25 mph) depending on the exact location, season, and height above sea level.womp womp you fucking retard kill yourself again
>>535284939oh shit, now we have seamlessly morphed to offshore turbines. Okay. So no onshore turbines then? Are we ignoring the logistical cost of installing and decommissioning offshore turbines as well I assume?
>>535284517>the technology is still young>literally as old as the fucking waterwheel
>>535285017How long as that been generating electricity for thousands of people?
>>535285013I'm sorry where are most of the uk's wind farms? Oh yea off shore you fucking retard kill yourself again or keep moving the goal posts hahahahahahaah keep trying retarded nigger.
>>535285076Ignore the questions then you disingenuous cunt.
>>535285118Like you still haven't given me your secret source for your secret wind speeds>it was an ai overview of a specific questionlmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>535284743mentally ill Reform-voting, Sun-read gammon who made fossil fuels his entire personality more like
>>535282185>Why do rightoids hate sustainable energy?We love nuclear. We hate overpriced meme bullshit like wind. Wind power exists to defraud the tax payer by giving their taxes to well connected government contractors in the energy sector.
>oil: next to H2O, the most abundant resource on the planet>"sustainable": non recyclable, chink-made gimmickry that could, at absolute most, if the entire planet put every cent and resource into it, and it alone, account for no more than 16% of non baseload power by 2050End yourself quietly, and in secluded location where no one will find your corpse before all your flesh has rotted away.
>>535285158I looked it up on the internet, please do the same and prove me wrong. What the fuck else do you expect me to do?
>>535282185those things are not sustainable. they are a tax write-off. the wore out blades can not be recycled. they are huge, don't deteriorate and pile up in land fills.
>>535282185>wind>sustainable kek i hope you daily pray to the windgods.
>>535285062the technology of wind turbines has been perfected
>>535285197Already have proved you wrong dipshit and you keep trying to move the goalposts to >noooo ignore our offshore wind farmslmaoooooooooooooooooo
>>535282451Radioactive waste is superior in every metric because it's recyclable, easily dilutable, and extremely efficient at storage. We can now recycle 90% of all high-level waste into useable fuel, which decays to something inert by the end of the fuel cycle.Water is one of the hardest things to contaminate with radiation because the water itself doesn't become irradiated. Instead, the radiation sediments in the water. Sediments flow downstream and out into the ocean where the radioactive particles dissipate. And for groundwater; How do radioactive particles make it through tens, hundreds or even kilometres of rock, sediment and soil? It's naturally self-filtering.
>>535285172>We love nuclear.Good.>We hate overpriced meme bullshit like wind.Nooooooo you fool. Please just look into the economics of it. The technology is very mature. A mixture of solar and wind power with a battery bank buffer is actually really good. And being able to store power would make brownouts a thing of the past.
>>535285260do you think the people who invest in wind farms are doing it because it is better for the planet? Are you that fucking simple?
>>535285387Oh cute he's moving the goal posts again.>it is better for the planet>there is money to be made in itYou should've stopped posting at me a while ago you won't win retard.
>>535285387>do you think the people who invest in wind farms are doing it because it is better for the planet?They only are doing it for the subsidies, which gurantees ROI of less then 3 years, at peak subsudues they had ROI like 1 year or so.Germany is currently sudoking itself because of how retarded they were with their guranteed subsidies...
>>535285172>Wind power exists to defraud the tax payer by giving their taxes to well connected government contractors in the energy sector.You've got it exactly backwards you extremely poorly informed dumbass. Wind is the cheapest form of energy that exists. Nuclear is extraordinarily expensive in 2026 and cannot pay its own costs back without massive taxpayer subisides, as Britain is currently discovering
>>535285528If renewables were more efficient and reliable than oil, natural market forces would automatically move us away from fossil fuels. But guess what, for a whole host of reasons that we don't need to get into at this point, that is not the case. Can you acknowledge that?
>>535285628>Depending on how subsidies are calculated, the global fossil fuel industry (primarily oil and gas) has received between $10 trillion and over $100 trillion in total support over the past two decades.Come again? You're not winning give up lmao.
>>535285574>europen NPPs are a benchmarkkek europen, esepcial british NPP production is fucked since they began humping the green deal.China and Russia builds you the same plant for 1/4 of the cost, even south korea can build them for 1/3 of the cost.
>>535285253>"The technology is perfected">Can only generate about 17 percent of the nations power when combined with solar.It's still got a ways to go https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=67367
>>535285718Let me rephrase, if renewables were such a great idea, we wouldn't need to offer subsidies.>just get the energy from the wind bruhif it were that easy everyone would be doing it huh?
>>535285797it is literally mathematically perfect, look up why three blades are the optimum.
>wind turbine shills keep shillingNuclear:- SMRs for up to 300 MWe.- Micro-reactors for up to 10 MWe.Gas:- Combined Cycle Gas Turbine.- Supercritical Carbon Dioxide Turbine.Hydro:- Closed-Loop Pumped Storage Hydro.- Use the Francis turbine, build exclusively above floodplains, and have full black start capability.Biogas:- Anaerobic digestion (AD) integrated with hydrothermal carbonization (HTC).- Utilize for microgrids.Syngas:- Downdraft Wood Gasifier integrated with a Combined Heat and Power (CHP) system.- Utilize for microgrids.Heat Battery:- Use sand, brick, graphite and silicone, or metals like iron and aluminium.- Scalable because the heat capacity of an atom is vastly more than its weight.- Thermal batteries with resistive heating convert 99% of the received electricity into heat, and release 95% of it as heat again.- Round-trip efficiency is 35%, which is counteracted by storing energy via cheap, abundant and non-critical materials with a long-term lifespan.- The combination of low raw material cost, high heat capacity, and massive temperature swing results in a carbon storage cost of $1/kWh.- Integrate with Combined Heat and Power (CHP), Travelling Wave Energy Storage (TWEST) and Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES).Use baseload power to produce synthetic hydrocarbons like algae fuel and e-fuel.Rural homes need their own water and sewage.Design all of it to be ecologically nested; Base it around natural disasters (like earthquakes, floods, and tsunamis) and black swan type scenarios (like CMEs and solar flares).
>>535285849>Mathematicaly perfectOkay, explain the formula then.
>>535285813those evil oil barons would just move their money over to renewables and corner that lucrative market, except there is no money to be made other than suckering retard greenies.
>>535285813>government tax stuff more if they don't want it happening>government subsidies stuff if they want it happeningDo you know how the world works?
>>535285796UK is not part of Europe, Fritz. Also Russia's construction is taking just as long as UK's construction. The Kursk II project started in 2018 and isn't expected to be done until 2034. An entire farm of wind turbines can be deployed in just a few months.
>>535282992Turbine blades are just metal you retard. Do you think they put huge cargo boats in landfills?
>>535285904this is just some random yt vid, I haven't watched ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgqkti7yePk
>>535285941>Russia's construction is taking just as long as UK's constructionno
>>535285897>unironically copy-pasting ChatGPTkys. There is no such thing as a commercialized SMR or micro-reactor currently in a production context in a power grid anywhere in the world.
>>535286010>thinks informed and well structured English is chatgptNo, Adam Brandt.Furthemore, you can remove the nuclear part and the entire outline remains perfectly viable. Such is the beauty of it.
>>535285917yeah like drugs
>>535286245>Ok, so all the nuclear stuff is wrong, but I'm sure the rest of it isn't wildly incorrect too!stupid as fuck
Hydro electric is the way to go for onshore renewable energy. Can use the fucking things for drinking water as well.
>>535282185That's not sustainable energy. This is.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6FxmXIVIr8
>>535285849>three blades is optimal because it was designed to be optimal with 3 bladesYes, that IS how it works, thank you for figuring out the basics of engineering.
>>535286359Adam, c'mon. Ad hominem is is proof that you are wrong yet again.
>>535286492Is that the right video? The image doesn't match the video. And tesla towers are about power transmission not power generation. And they are inefficient
>>535282841I don't know if you're really this stupid... but yes, competition would mean oil prices go down. That's like the entire capitalism thing you pretend to like?
Because the right elites have convinced their low IQ voter base that sustainable energy is woke so that they can continue to make bank off of fossil fuels. The right is literally the party of blind cattle and I am SO glad people are starting to see this in mass. You can convince these people into believing anything.
>>535286502nigger, we figured out wind in the 70s, it ain't complicated. The issue is 85% of the mother fucking time there ISN'T ANY FUCKING WIND YOU MORONDON'T FUCKING TALK TO ME ABOUT ENGINEERING WHEN YOU CAN'T GRASP THIS BASIC SHIT
>>535286010pretty sure russia has comerzialized SMRs for qutie some time with their nuclear icebreakers and mobile nuclear barges.
>>535286725>reeDude. Take your eyes through about 5 pictures of prop airplanes. See if you can spot a pattern.
>>535286666satan can't stop beeing gay it seems.
>>535286666>so that they can continue to make bank off of fossil fuelscheckedThey know the end of fossil fuels is coming because renewables are far cheaper, quicker to construct and don't produce pollution. Mass-battery storage will be the final nail in the coffin. So they're using the tobacco industry playbook of lies and propaganda to extend the lifespan of fossil fuels and wring out the final dollars from it before it is completely usurped. There are trillions of dollars at stake here and conservatives are so fucking gullible.
>>535286837what, like a turboprop?
>>535282185Wind farms aren't sustainable. Ask any German. Man it was hideous seeing all those wind farms on the side of the autobahn. And they STILL need to import almost all their energy from Russia via oil products.
>>535286492Suppressed technology.
>>535286725>The issue is 85% of the mother fucking time there ISN'T ANY FUCKING WIND YOU MORON There is always wind bruh. Some places are windier than others. Also having energy buffers would fix fluctuating levels of wind.
The more turbines and panels we have here, the higher the energy prices. And having your own panels means getting fucked over due to how they take the energy you don't use for free, sell it to someone else, then sell you energy when you need it for a slightly lower price. Or just don't take your energy at all because the big panel farm right next to you is making too much for the infrastructute to handle. Upgrading the infrastructure and building giant power banks costs a fortune, takes a lot of time and won't solve everything. And by the time you do that, you need to spent another fortune on replacing the old windmills and panels. Thank God we're finally going nuclear.
>>535286837you mean like an engine driven means of propulsion with a variable load? Get the fuck out of my face. God damn.
>>535286949>the higher the energy pricesThe reason for this is a global energy crisis where oil and LNG prices have spiked due to two ongoing wars in energy producing regions. Energy has doubled or tripled in cost all over the world because of this, not because of renewables.
>>535286864>don't produce pollutioni hope you enjoy your micro abrasion in your onions.
>>535284809Some people absolutely need an NPD to lead them and tell them sweet nighttime stories.It's human nature.We need to devise a plan to kill them off. It's the only way for humanity to continue and prosper.
>>535286917yeah so presumably there are areas where greenie cunts shut their fucking mouths?
>>535286658>And tesla towers are about power transmission not power generation.Both.
>>535286959>reference a common form of the reverse, with a singular purpose, somehow yielding multiple blade counts from 2 to yes>thinks the comparison isn't apt after he refused to consider that blade count isn't a fucking rule of thumb anywhereYou're being retarded on purpose.Guess what else is an apt comparison. That's fucking right, piston count.
>>535286949>getting fucked over due to how they take the energy you don't use for freeson, thats not how electricity works, when you have "free" electricity from to much fucking SUN, so does everyone else, guess why on sunny days the fucking electricity price already drops to negatvie values on the energy exchange... because NONE FUCKING NEEDS IT.pic related... -500€ per MWh... and thats only because the price is capped at -500€, the actual value was something like -850€.
>>535286917>There is always wind bruhnot if you use it all. that shit's not renewable like oil there's only so much wind and the earth needs it.
>>535286658>And tesla towers are about power transmission not power generation.With Tesla coil. Tesla caused an earthquake in NY.
>>535287008This has been occuring long before ukraine. Also 50% is our own coal and 30% is supposedly free green energy as of last year.
>>535282360>purchased from chinaWhy exactly? This post has zero self awareness.
Sustainable is a misnomer. A better term would be irregular or unreliable energy. There's nothing "sustainable" about turbines that are often made in China, shipped via diesel cargo ships, embedded in massive concrete pads, have a relatively short lifespan, and which use huge amounts of oil for lubricant.
Wind turbines only make power when the wind is blowing and solar panels only when the sun is shining. Both of these are Chinese dreams. We need a power source that is unconditional. And or course this:
>>535282489Retarded take, you're basically boiling down your argument to that, A.I. is a fools errand because our computational power from the 60's is too slow. Look at what happened to transistors today, the same is applicable to nuclear power and reactor design. The real reason nuclear isn't already solving sustainable energy globally is very simple: Cost.
>>535285961They’re fibreglass composites though. Not the favela trash you’re used to
>>535282633>America is currently at war with a country because it wanted to pursue peaceful nuclear energyAmerica is currently at war because it's run by jews, and the kikes hate Iran because they won't let them get away with war crimes.
>>535282633Make the nuclear weapons first so you can defend against our kikes.
so that big oil can keep making money instead of you getting free energy from the sun, wind and whatever
>>535282185Solar is fine, Batteries solve all issues with renewable energy. As long as batteries and solar cost per installed level keeps reducing over time, sustainable energy is inevitable. Global energy use is a tiny drop in the ocean to global solar energy impingement. Wind power is ugly, and totally unnecessary, it also kills a lot of birds, but that is still nothing compared to the amount of birds that are killed from domestic cats that roam the streets, it's a non-issue still.Nuclear power is obviously the most intelligent solution, but it is far too late now, the window of opportunity for nuclear innovation - through a succesful economic forcing function of iterative design, execution and rapid improvement over years and also economically incentivized. Like the same feedback loop that resulted in massive improvements to mobile phones and supercomputers in the last 5 decades, cannot happen with nuclear reactor design - and that's all it takes btw. If we could make slow breeder reactors that use a fissile spark plug (U235 or Pu239) to then kickstart the process and consume thorium, or a fast breeder reactor that consumes uranium 238 - then that also makes sustainable energy a solved problem. We have enough Thorium or "normal" Uranium to power Earth into the future for the next several thousand years (assuming compounding human power demand) and by then surely we will have figured out nuclear fusion - then we win.
>>535288278>Solar is fine, Batteries solve all issues with renewable energynot for regions were you have winter.
>>535288381Britain alone disqualifies solar.
>>535284692>It won't happen in our lifetimesJust installed my new Sigenstor battery bank ~80kWh battery, 20kW solar collection array. No longer need to pay a energy bill anymore. What did it cost to install? 50 thousand aussie dollars, what was I paying per year on power? ~8500$, Pays itself off after 5 years and then i'll have free electricity basically. I also use this to charge my two EV's, that's another 4000$ saved on fuel I would have spent on a petrol car, considering fuel prices lately. I understand that solar is extremely overpriced in the 'states but this kind of situation is inevitable, it will only keep scaling up until this situation makes financial sense everywhere.
>>535287653no we don't.we just need to have the ability to move electricity around to where it is needed.one side of the planet is always getting sunlight.
>>535288381Nuclear it is then, or the cost of electricity stored in other nations batteries will be so cheap (because solar is free) that it will just be imported. It is inevitable.
>>535288572>what was I paying per year on power? ~8500$,>consuming more than 30kWh a year...fucking how...
>>535289033Some of us own businesses anon :^)
I live one State down from Deep Red Iowa and they are wind-farming like a motherfucker.
>>535289255Also, Iowa just surpassed over 65% of the State's total electricity supply by Wind alone.
>>535289016>electricity stored in other nations batteries will be so cheapno, we are already reaching the point were price decreases in storage solutions are not dropping exponentially anymore and reaching the point of deminishing return. Right now the price race to the bottom is fueld by overproduction in china, which will now lost for long when the market consolidates, which happens for every product. And even at 100USD per kWh battery strorage is ridiculous expensive. Just to bridge a 3 day "dunkel flaute" aka no wind and sun in winter you would need 1 TWh of storage wich would ammount to 100 billiion investment. Realistically its tripple that.
>>535289033Also that's 26 Megawatt hours I consumed in that year :^)
>>535283853Yeah, that's fucking stupid and runs completely counter to the underlying principle of environmental conservatism which those greenie gub gub people weep all day about.They'll fly into a rage if a puff of pure steam arises from the cooling tower from a nuclear power plant. Yet, they will clap their hands together with glee and think they've been saving the world by creating an entire industry of what basically consists of: "Ship tonnes and tonnes (which also generates more emissions, etc. for shipping it across the sea) of car batteries, trash, and other toxic waste to the Philippines and Africa, who then proceed to throw them into the ocean".
>>535289376>no, we are already reaching the point were price decreases in storage solutions are not dropping exponentially anymore and reaching the point of deminishing return.There are entirely new battery technologies being prototyped and tested on the roads right now.You fucking Fossil Luddites crack me up.>"NNNOOOOOOOOO!! We can't improve technology!! It's impossibru to develop anything more efficient than wut muh Daddy used!!!"Imagine simping for corporations this hard.
>>535289376Based on Lithium Ion battery technology? 80% of your graph is also Nickel Manganese Cobalt chemistry :^)
Windfarms are unsightly, generators break constantly and create huge volumes of plastic waste, and don’t generate shit for power compared to their footprint.
>>535289552Iowa proves all of this wrong. >UnsightlySmog is unsightly. Your Mom is unsightly. Acid rain is unsightly. Nuclear reactors are apparently unsightly because no one with wealth would even consider living where they could sight one.
>>535282360You sound jewish, you should kill yourself after setting the children in your basement free.
>>535282185Because big oil pays conservative politicians not to support alternative energy and the politicians advance the talking points for the common dumbass to parrot. I have suplemened my energy with solar and it has cut 2/3rds of my electricity bill.
>>535289552>huge volumes of plastic wasteI would wager you any sum that decommissioned Wind Turbines generate less waste per year than soder bottles. Or drinking straws.>B-but look at muh HUGE windfarm graveyard!That's not even what a large amount of waste looks like.
>>535289457>There are entirely new battery technologies being prototyped and tested on the roads right now.Doesn't mean it gets cheaper, in fact Sodium is already at the market and not cheaper, despite the fact that they can basically subsitute lithium for sodium. (might has something to do, that in lithium cells only 3% -4% is actually lithium/cost) Si-C is also there, increasing capacity slightly. There are no battery types out there that are close to mass production that offer a massive jump in energy density, you would need to tripple the current energy density aka 1000W/kg or 1000W/l to actually see any improvements. Even solid state batteryies only give you double the capacity with 7 time sthe price of current consumer grade batteries.
>>535282185because it does not exists you fucking stupid commie fucktard!
>>535289858>Sodium is already at the market and not cheaperBecause it is NEW. The process for building them is far from optimized, and the infrastructure to build them at scale is still being developed, this is true of every new turn of technology.
>>535289755single wind turbin shades aroudn 500-1000g of micro plastic each year, now calcualte that with a windpark, especial in regions that have "dirty air" by default, like you know... fucking deserts/steps, there it can even exceed the 1kg.
>>535284156This is bullshit. I use solar generators to supplement my grid use and the electricity is completely clean and its reliability and consistency is superior to the grid. It’s also cut my bill by 2/3.
>>535282185why there's so many leftie fucking cunts on 4chan?moron ask your mommy and daddy why they've created such fucktard!
>>535289947>The process for building them is far from optimizedyou litteraly can subsitute lithium with sodium... on the same production lines and again the cost of lithium in a battery is 3-4% of total cell cost... when you reducing that by 50% its still 2%... aka from fuckign nothing to slightly less fucking nothing.
>>535289969Anon, unless your family fortune revolves around fossil fuels, you are simply trying to hard to suck the oil dick.And every fucking moving thing on the planet sheds 2lb of waste something in a full fucking year.
>>535285172Wow.It’s impressive how stupid you are. Does it hurt?
>>535290044>I suck off corporations who don't want me independent of them, ask me why!
>>535288381The sun doesn’t shine during winter?
>>535289969But what about the wobbly dildo turbines that France invented?
>>535282510>>535283263>>535283523>>535283633'Rightwing' rhetorical question spam threads
>>535282185I love hydro. Every little town with a millpond should have a 1-5MW generator.
>>53528218590% of it is a scam.First, wind turbines ruin landscapes. See picrel. This shit only looked slightly cool in the 90's when it represented some kind of future technology. I'm sure there was a hot minute in the 1800's smoke stacks looked cool too.It's a would-be beautiful landscape that's had its natural ecosystem cleared out, to litter it with giant industrious looking things that kill birds and become an eye sore for like a 150 mile radius, considering they tend to put them on the tops of mountains. Did I mention it's a scam? These things don't generate much electricity. They also break down. When they get decommissioned, they can't dispose of them, so they just bury them. Absolutely causing more destruction to the environment than a coal powerplant for what it produces.Solar?Solar does the same. It works fine for putting panels on your roof, but companies end up clearing out existing ecosystems to build fields of these hideous solar panels.Hydro?It works fine, but it severely fucks with the ecosystem of major waterways. RIP any migratory fish species.At the end of the day, it comes down to realizing any time people get on board with some big thing, it becomes a grift. If money's changing hands, there will be exploitation. If the government is issuing grants or tax breaks, or paying for something outright, then there will 100% be exploitation.
>>535282185>sustainable energyCatabolic you mean? No, you don't mean that. You're just a bot . . .
>>535282185Why do leftoids always open threads with the same retarded template?
>>535285941>An entire farm of wind turbines can be deployed in just a few months.And never works for the next 20 years and cost 4 times the price of nuke to dismantle...Remember Europe is sitting on the biggest industrial scandal in human history (3.000 billions over a little more than a decade), because most wind turbine aren't connected to the grind or dont produce any electricity, because wind is too unreliable. It was a big scandale in 2023. But it got quickly put under the rug because lot of politicians had their hands in the cookie jar, authorizing wind turbine farms, that would be put in place where they would not works and would never be connected to the grid to start with.Also, since wind is so unreliable, it is almost impossible to properly stabilize the grid (too much ressources and money to do so, impossible at human scale), so they aren't connected to the grid or they forced the whole European grid to be connected, trying to stabilize it (costing lot of money and creating more problems in the meantime). But it still fail at an alarming rate (one of the reasons it's hard to build data center in Europe, because the grid is absolutely shit). Spain blackout every years. And it's France that is forced to disconnect them to save the Europe grid every times. Because our grind is very strong because of nuclear energy (turbines in nuclear power plan are literally the only thing that can deal with that shit and France use very powerful ones, it could fail if it was lesser). Last time, Europe was 45 secondes away from a total black out because of Spain grid.
>>535282510Data centers are a problem within the US as they all abuse eminent domain to seize farmland in order to build their data center in a place where operating costs will be much lower even though there really is no urgent public need. The effort to do so is being funded by those same globalists corporations which import third worlders for cheap labor so they don't have to pay a white man a reasonable wage, benefits, or reasonable working hours. There is nothing more right wing than opposing globohomo abuse of US law.
ITT /pol/ demonstrates there's a lot of sub 60 IQ retards who think fox news talking points are a good argument in response to decades of scientific research and thousands of published papers
>>535291828you lost, tranny
>>535293200You said the same of every other culture war you lost faggot kek.- Legalization and mainstream acceptance of same-sex marriage- Broader social acceptance of homosexuality- Increased visibility and acceptance of transgender identities- Decline of support for school prayer in public schools- Expansion of abortion rights culture (despite ongoing legal battles)- Normalization of interracial marriage- Acceptance of women in most professional and leadership roles- Expansion of no-fault divorce- Reduced stigma around atheism and secularism- Mainstream acceptance of marijuana legalization- Acceptance of contraception and birth control access- Reduced public support for anti-pornography campaigns- Greater acceptance of cohabitation outside marriage- Acceptance of sex education in schools- Expansion of protections against racial segregation and discrimination- Mainstreaming of environmentalism and climate-change awareness- Acceptance of multiculturalism and large-scale immigration as part of national identity- Broader support for criminal justice reform and police accountability debates- Corporate and media adoption of diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives- Decline of explicit "traditional family values" messaging in mainstream entertainment- Acceptance of women serving in military combat roles- Acceptance of stem-cell research and some biotechnology once heavily opposed by social conservatives- Wider normalization of nontraditional family structures (single parents, blended families, same-sex parents)
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>>535293881Cool argument. You still lost
>>535282185it isnt sustainable nor practical.
>>535293980Works fine I don't see the issue
>>535295083>loud>plastic and metal>break frequently>need 10 billion to make a small amount of power >no wind no power >REQUIRE FOSSIL FUELS TO CONSTRUCT AND REPAIR you're a retard just like solar in its current form is retardedplasma fusion should be researched for once without killing all the scientists and then we can talk you big gay windmill retard
Wind is only profitable in like 10% of the country because if you double the wind speed you cube the power generation. The 10% of the country with those good consistent wind speeds for the most part already has windmills everywhere. Wind without high speed is a meme that doesn't work.
>>535295528>proftable>charging for windimagine my surprise
>>535282185Why do faggots fail to include all the bullshit that goes on with their "sustainable energy" like rare earth metal mining or the sheer amount of trash those windmills cause when they replace the blades on the windmill. Let alone the number of birds those things kill yearly, total bird depop of a zone. And notice none of these niggers every want that shit in their backyard, but in someone elses yard. Same with niggers to be honest.
>>535284809Whats funnier is that you think that was what was really said. You sir, might want to look into the mirror to see what a retard looks like.
>>535291627You're in the wrong thread, anon. The thread for people making sense is elsewhere.
>>535282185>sustainable energyThe problem is that your definition of sustainable energy, isn't aligned with reality.>WindMassive financial scams. Huge upfront cost, with dubious return, once you factor in the cost to remove the defunct garbage. Most wind projects have just dumped their trash in random fields, because it's cheaper to do that, and eat capped fines than figure out how to dispose of unrecyclable windmills.>SolarVery poor energy per unit of land. Expensive, and has the same issue as wind, in terms of 'what do you do with the shit once it's worn out'.Neither of the above can be used for grid level power either, you'll suffer grid reliability problems if you attempt to rely on either.>HydropowerProbably the best option, but there are very few viable places for dams, and they're all mostly occupied.>GeothermalMeme at best, and can only be used in a few specific places.>NuclearThis is the only really sustainable option, but the same greenoids that love the previous garbage, lose their shit when nuclear is brought up. Modern breeder reactors can burn nuclear waste down to relatively short lived waste, and there is enough uranium on the planet to keep things rolling for centuries without even needing to figure out extraction from the oceans.
>>535296092>but there are very few viable places for dams,https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435120305596There are more than enough viable places, and that's just for the non-invasive (and best) type of hydro.
>>535285961the furbines are metal, the blade aren'tand they break
>>535282185It's not the "rightoids" that suppress things like tidal power plants.
>>535295590YOu can wait for someone to charitably build you a power infrastructure and charitably power a community but you'll be waiting a long time and if it breaks you're waiting for another charitable individual to put it rightJust sayin'
>>535296421>There are more than enough viable placesDid you actually read the article you just linked me? Because it's talking about pumped hydro storage, which is just using water as a battery. You won't be generating power doing that.
>>535297331>You won't be generating power doing that.You don't seem to understand how closed-loop pumped storage hydro works. Most of the world can run on it, at least Western countries. Australia can use 0.1% of listed sites (with the correct form of hydro) to power the entire country year round.The fact that this isn't widely recognized is even more concerning that all the ruinous wind and solar being installed.
>>535282429i was about to ask why does he speak like a retard, but then i remembered he's addressing retards
>>535295788>You sir, might want to look into the mirror to see what a retard looks like.holy redditit's totally reasonable to assume that's a real quote, he says more ridiculous stuff all the time
>>535297724>You don't seem to understand how closed-loop pumped storage hydro works.lol>Closed-loop pumped storage hydropower is an off-river energy storage system that cycles water between two artificial reservoirs at different elevations. By pumping water uphill using excess solar or wind energy and releasing it downhill through turbines to meet peak demandIt's a gravity battery, there's nothing new or unique about it, and it certainly doesn't resolve the issue of power generation.Theoretically, it could be used to fix ONLY the variability of solar/wind, but it can't solve the problem of both wind/solar requiring a fuck ton of space, and also creating massive amounts of bulk waste.
>turbines that rely on petroleum based plastic blades and lubricant products. sorry I'm not a subhuman retard
Pissrael is working hard to become the only nuclear power. Windmills are a net economic drain with huge maintenance costs and short exploitation lives, unreliable production time and heavy environmental impact. They constantly use hidro and nuclear facilities to invest their profits into (((green))) energy, syphoning funds through join-ventures with jewish owned companies and forcing multiple increases in energy prices. As a result all thats left from european manufacturing power face bankrupcy or getting on war footing taking government funded contracts to produce weaponry for jews to wage wars. See Germany.
>>535282360turf didn't like this poast goud jerb
>>535282185We hate scams. I personally have solar panels. Wind turbines are a scam.
>>535282185virtually all right wing politics in the US are corporate-backed
>>535282489>The worlds total supply of uranium would not be enough to match the energy output of oil for more than 10 yearsThis isn't even true....
>>535299559It's true it's just a fucking retarded way to put it. If we took all the uranium we have access to today and fed it into enough older tech reactors for 10 years without doing any exploration or any development of the mining industry we would run out.It's fucking retarded though because it assumes we just stopped looking for uranium, in the middle of what would be the largest energy technology change in human history
>>535282185The atom man will never accept kosher energy
it is a sin to refuse gods bounty. the oil and coal was placed specifically here for us to use and is literally just as renewable as wind or solar. global warming is a leftist hoax anyway, fag
>>535282360SPBP/thread
>>535299376windmills go ack
Why do leftoids hate nuclear?
>>535282185they're mad its not privatized and/or they're not the ones profiting.its always one or the other or both with rightlets.
>>535300546Yet another one escapee
>>535282185Most of those are secretly diesel powered I'm not even joking
>>535282185>the cheapest energy is the one you don‘t uset. EU
>>535282185Sun go downWind go stopUh Oh no power
>>535282360And /thread >remember jews did 9/11 and look up thr kalergi plan
>>535282185Because is cultural marxism promoted by the soviet union/russia as part of the agenda to weak NATO countries because military they knew they didn't have any chance that's why they had to poison the west with cultural marxism(socialism, feminism, civil right movements, hippies, green energy, etc)
>>535301442Thanks AAARGH anon for providing one of the few online copies left around
>>535287261There's a problem with having too much sun though. Big wavy graphs like that are bad for the grid because there's only so much the dedicated power plants can do to scale back production. Here in Australia they've started installing cutoff devices that activate when the grid's getting overloaded. All that solar amounts to 0 energy when it's not connected.
>>535297969Yeah but he himself is also a nepobaby retard
>>535282429>>535297969>>535302660Ziondon, jews and their cum-gargling nafoids all know you cannot wage global war and manufacture weaponry with factories running on unicorn farts. The "sustainable" energy scam will only be used to bankrupt energy sector and drain public funds in countries where they still do not own 100% of it. Case in point: both Hidroenergetica and Nuclearelectrica are forced to invest in joint-ventures with kikes and their golems instead of upgrade and expand their own facilities and force said green kikes to start anew on their own money and profitability. Is pissrael which is full of sun. Why do they need a nuke power plant again? Germany dismantled theirs, surely pissrael can too.>but they empties lakes to repair dams!They emptied lakes during drought to provide pisscraine with free energy when they needed it most, endangering our drinking water supply.
>>535282185>why anyone with sense can sniff taxpayer embezlement so easily?I'm not a right winger. There's no "sustainable" energy and you naming it like that is peak political doublespeak where you get exacly the opposite.
>>535282185>>535282314/thread
Why do nuketards always change the subject every time somebody asks them to provide costings?
>>535282185This isn't sustainable.
>>535304427So much fucking this
>>535304543Economics of Nuclear Reactor Illinois EnergyProfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbeJIwF1pVYJohn Bucknell - Nuclear Plant Economics & Synthetic Fuel Cogeneration @ TEAC8 gordonmcdowellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1Fi3BnwL94
>>535282622cormorants are the niggers of birds
>>535306106Rare real response. Ack. I will watch both shortly and assess.
>>535306220I can tell your a turk migrant
>>535282185Because it's a scam that fucks the place.
>>535282185Something reliant on the whims of the weather is not "sustainable".
>>535282894Hi Ruth.
>>535306682Hi Kevin
>>535282992>>535283217>>535283454>>535285961Casual reminder they tried turning wind turbine blades into FOOD. They were trying to dispose of the fucking things by getting people to eat them. Look it up, I wish I was joking. They tried turning them into CANDIES.
>>535283433>>I didn't say anything about oilthen you didn't say anything at all, you retard.
>>535282360This! AND because we hate you fuckers!
>>535282992>Not to mention also one those turbine blades and solar panels stop working they end up in landfillsso fucking what?this is the stupidest fucking talking point in all of human history.do you have any fucking idea how much garbage our societies make? wind turbine blades are a drop in the literal fucking rivers of trash that flow out to the garbage-choked seas.
>>535282185sustainable energy is a meme
>>535306744The process of breaking it down the particular resin some turbine blades are made from produces potassium lactate as a byproduct, which is food grade and can be further processed. It's not like they're just crunching them down into a gel. That said, rendering the resin down chemically still has a bunch of other byproducts, you'd want to be damned certain the purification of the potassium lactate is infallible or you really will have people eating industrial waste.Even considering all this, I still don't think I'm comfortable eating food thats stems off industrial waste recycling. Ideally we wouldn't use wind turbines at all apart from niche off-grid applications, since the math of renewables as a base load energy provider just doesn't add up. It takes way too much square footage for the wattage it provides versus the wattage your average person consumes daily in a population that is growing both passively and by immigration policy. These people are fucking insane.
>>535282451>What do you do with all the waste byproduct?You send it to Russia where they recycle 95% of it back into fuel, with the rest probably being plutonium or some shit.
>>535306528Probably yes, and you must be a British pajeet, paki or some other form of an English nigger.
>>535289437it's a lie you retard
>>535283217it hasn't improved from the 70's till now what makes you think they will ever figure it out?
>>535283443Probably cyanide-based acrylates applied to fibrous structures. Perfect if you wanna burn it into toxic fumes, saw it into microparticulate clouds or leach it into the ground water by burying it.
>>535282185They support it for small scale self reliance. Trying to use it large scale without any meaningful way to store the energy will get you deindustrialized like goymany. Its a scam.
>>535307070Funny how that is never brought up, with solar as well. Or how they absolute flood the solar fields with herbicides to keep the areas clear. They're really quick to throw their own policies out the window when it comes to forcing agendas.
>>535306744That's just a counter spin to the derangement of thinking throwing miniscule amount of fiberglass into a landfill is somehow bad. Oil shills which advocate for 0% recyclable fuel demand that wind mills have to be 100% recyclable or otherwise it's better to just burn oil which is just insane position to take. Fiberglass is entirely non toxic and the amount of fiberglass waste a windmill makes per energy produced is also minuscule. You quite literally can't be using internet if that is the level of "waste" you aren't willing to accept.
>>535283443>>535307243Oh just fiberglass, carbon fibers, cyanoacrilates and BPA epoxy making it hard to recycle due to the fact that it's composites.Not impossibly hard to do it, just too expensive compared to just burying it and making it someone else's problem. Sure it might just increase the microplastics problem overall but hey it's not EBIL!!
>>535295337Fusion has already been researched. The issue is that we still don't have any material to transfer all tgat energy from plasma to boiling water. It's possible that such material can-t even exist
>>535307378>Funny how that is never brought upfunny how you fucking retards think you know more about the sustainability of wind and solar farms than the people who fucking build them or the energy market operators who commission them.the single deepwater horizon oil spill in the gulf of mexico annihilated coastal fishing economies for generations. you haven't seen it on whatever right wing twitter account you get your opinions from but the fishing industries all along that coastline STILL haven't recovered.every single solar and wind farm in the whole fucking world still doesn't add up to that single oil spill, and those oil spills just keep happening.kill yourself for real. take a fucking gun and fucking shoot yourself in the head. you are surplus to requirements and incapable of any kind of positive contribution. the world is full of people and we don't need all of them.
>>535282185>windmills, solar panels>sustainablepick one. >be windmill>be windier outside than usual>blades spin out of control until the torks obliterate the plastic/carbon fiber/fiberglass body panels and fan blades, scattering microscopic shards of toxic chemicals and plastic across several square KM of land requiring tens to hundreds of millions of dollars of soil remediation to keep that land usableThis already happened outside my city by the way.>county over from mine puts a bunch of windmills up in farmers fields starting over a decade ago>they've since stopped because tornados and storms obliterated several windmills rendering several hundred square KM of prime farmland into a borderline irrecoverable ecological disaster. >when the windmills fail and need to be disposed of they get sent to landfills and buried because we can't fucking recycle themSolar panels are even fucking worse>they only work about half as long as advertised, and hailstorms absolutely render them unusable>snow renders them unusable>clouds render them unusable>once again, once they're getting replaced they go to a landfill because most of the contents cant be recycled.
Everybody forgets the best power source. Hydropower. Let gravity do the work for you
>>535282185Gee, I wonder..
>>535282451>How sustainable is nuclear? What do you do with all the waste byproduct?dump it in a deep ocean trench. That is, by far, the best option. Laws need to chance until this is standard practice.
>>535282360Lmao all these liberal trannies and leftists are 'seething' at this anon because told them the truth!
>>535282451a higher percentage of nuclear fuel can be reprocessed and reused than we can do with solar panels or windmills.
>>535307540LMAO how hard were you crying when you typed that you demented fucking tard?You did an excessive amount of seething for not refuting anything I said. As expected from "people" like you I guess.
>>535307378It's an out of sight out of mind kind of deal, the proponents of renewables live in urban hellscapes, they don't see the effects, and in their minds there's practically endless space in rural regions to dump panels and turbines.
>>535307540There will always be oil spills because cargo ships don't run on anything else, and those are critical for every globalised economy on the planet.>but we can flyOn planes that still need oil.
>>535282185My electricity is 100% MN wind and I'm happy and I don't vote locally because everyone's faggot leftists here.
>>535307070>potassium lactate>further processed>food gradeI'd shudder to see what your insides look like...
>>535283433>globohomo green energyGreen energy is literally the LEAST globohomo form of energy, unless you unironically want to argue that more centralization = less globohomo
>>535308373Read the rest of the post you speed reading faggot.
>>535282185I'm not, I invested heavily into a battery factory. I also invested heavily into the hole in the ground where they dig the lovely green battery shit out of the ground with dirty big diesel burning Komatsus, so yknow.I guess I'm just not under any illusions. Your Toyota Prius is an absolute toxic nightmare but at least it makes you feel nice inside.
>>535282185I envision a future powered by American braphogs
>>535293794your entire ideology revolves around butt fucking, worshipping the devil and doing drugs. This is your religion, and you're okay with this
>>535285961Retarded monkey doesn't know of a turbine landfill
>>535282360>the sun isnt sustainableI used to joke how the sun wasnt a renewable resource because its going to go out in several billion years, i didnt expect retards to take that to heart.
>>535309484Manufacturing, transporting, installing and maintaining the panel and its related infrastructure requires more input energy than it yields in its operational lifetime compared to other bulk energy generation methods, on top of occupying more space. Which is why it receives subsidies at tax payer expense, most of which simply winds up in the pockets of the billionaires you complain are destroying the world and robbing everyone.
Find the mods and devs who flood the site with shill bots, while forcing us to do pointless captchas.Find them and kill them. Kill them like rabid dogs.
