90% of first worlders can totally afford to have children, but they just don't prioritize it. >access to top level services and goods>starvation is unheard of>extremely high quality of life>convenient lifestyle>safe environment (in comparison to the rest of the world)I've seen plenty of firsties with enough resources to sustain a child, yet they will not do so and instead they choose to adopt dogs, cats, spend all their money on matchas, lattes, tranime, videogames, partying and other materialistic consoomslop.I am 100% sure that, even if economy was better, they would not have children anyways, because it's a cultural event.People are raising their kids to be sheltered and removing their autonomy to take decisions and act by themselves, parents are unironically cooking and serving manchildren and womenchildren in their 20's, treating them like toddlers, spoil them and make them free from any responsibility and the consequences of their actions, then proceed to cry why their children are genetic dead ends.Many parents do so in order to keep them dependent on them, so they can have power over their children with the intention of helping/better guiding them, little do they know that, by doing so, they are anihilating their virtues and taking from them any chance of them becoming successful adults who will survive, form social networks and thrive after the parents die. If you are a parent and you want to see your grandchildren, raise your children to the world, and not to be your little pets.The economy is just a cheap excuse, it may make things harder, but totally not impossible, the main reason lies on culture.
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>>535313186>access to top level services and goodsLol>starvation is unheard ofLive on slop with no nutrients>extremely high quality of lifeDepends>convenient lifestyleConvenience kills>safe environment (in comparison to the rest of the world)
A very reputable friend has two adorable happa daughters (1 and 4, he's japanese). I was at his place for a bbq and he revealed child care for both of them is $60,000 a year, and this was the cheaper option for him. It's terrifyingly expensive
you arent having kids because you dont want to raise kids.
>have kidsI can't even get a girlfriend, do you want me to magick them out of thin air?
>>535313381Have you ever been in Africa? Latinx America? India or some -stan?
>>535313186I can’t find a job to be able to afford rent. The only way I could support another human being is with gibs from the state full stop.
>>535313186people aren't having kids because people are more tuned into human nature than ever before and they don't like what they see.
>>535313439It's extremely subjective what a child should or should not have.Some think that children should have a room with AC, get the new videogame every year, get the new phone every year and top level private education, which will obviously be very expensive.But on a core level, children need guidance more than anything else, guidance from parents, since school won't do that. Meanwhile, for some, being dressed, well fed and loved is enough to be happy, I have met plenty of people who were raised in such conditions and turned out to be functional and successful adults, much more than the spoiled fucks born in the purple.
>>535313518Argentina is not first world though.
>>535313186uncertainty anon. failing to create a solid foundation to build on makes people averse. nobody gives a fuck about anything anymore. all values proven false, everything is corruptible, nobody has any fucking plan, they all out for themselves instead of serving the people. everyone treated like cattle in the name of profit. bringing someone into this world looks statistically bleak, you're just helping the farmer by making new slaves. it's just gay and bleak as a normiebut you are right, if you are well off then bet it's worth it yeah, these days it's quite nice if you have the resources nglbut otherwise I'm not falling for this guilt tripping bullshit, because I know where it comes from. they need more slaves, but not any slave, but slaves with low expectations. you SHOULD have children, but god forbid you ask for anything else but food. in that case you're an entitled piece of shit and worthy of being replaced with a jeet. the ideal white man in western society is one that makes a lot of white slaves but doesnt' ask for shit, no entitlement, and trains his slave children to be good consumers with low expectations
>>535313698Hating humans and loving retarded animals who can't critically think is the new trend, milenials worship animals, unironically.
>>535313754Oh ok. I want a girlfriend like Clea, either give me Clea or give me death
>>535313757I totally agree with you, uncertainty IS an important variable to this subject.One thing I'd like to highlight, and I know that you already know it well as you stated about not falling to this guilt trip:>the world has always been wildly uncertainAnd this is a fact we know, wars, plagues and hardships used to be insanely more common back then... hell the wars in 17th and 18th europe? Can you imagine living through that? People kept their lives anyways, since it has always been present in human nature.But people nowadays are obsessed with "stability" and "previsibility" when such things have never ever existed!" The world has always been unstable. >I want to wait for the right momment I feel ready to be a dad/mom (says the 30yo soon to leave reproductive prime)People are extremely averse to any risks, and they lack a pitch of resilience, they don't seem to understand that, in an imperfect world, there is no perfect conditions.Plus nobody feels ready to be a parent, as it's a totally new experience, and that's normal, how many new and different experiences we have had as humans in our lives? Several.
>>535313817I think xhe is past xher prime anon...
>>535313186totally agree. 'kids are expensive' really is just a meme and probably started by those who dont want white people to have kids. >>535313732this
>>535314017Don't care. Clea is pure SEXOOOO
What's the point of having kids?>muh legacy Your family is genetic garbage. There's no legacy to be had. Tired of these pedo threads.
>>535313991if the world doesn't improve on certain aspects then what tf is the purpose of this shit show? if we always toil so a few enjoy then it's all a fucking scam. it means it will never stop, if we are in the same setup as before. thus not worth contributing to this nonsense. as long as it's not something I believe in I am not supporting it because I do not agree with it. simple as.at the end of it, suppose there is a "you didn't like it but you still played along" I can keep my head up because I didn't. that's it.if people go along with it there's no incentive to stop.>but we couldn't find a better waynot my problem bro. they failed making it better for everyone. they just ran the same old racket, but with smartphones and internet.I do not see human's future like they do, so I'm not contributing to their scam. tired of their mental gymnastics to keep running the same old scam with no improvement, while admitting they're too fucking retarded to make it better. with certain noticers there's nothing they can do about it, apart from changing their scammy ways. no matter how much propaganda and mind control gymnastics they research they'll never be able to trick them, to use them for their scams.
>>535314169Nice projection, muttbro
Whites expect their children to amount to something, which requires resources.If we wanted to shit out 13 illiterate kids, sure, that wouldn't be a problem.
>>535314314Totally understand your point.If you look throughout history, the world has significantly improved in the sense of quality of life for a lot of humans.It's been a significant change in just 100 years, if you get the bigger picture, you can understand how much brutal it used to be.. no wonder why people nowadays lost their austerity.>muh elitesElites have always existed, for most people are servile by nature.
>>535314397I see tons of white children, children of resourceful parents who have turned into absolute degenerates, and not only that, they are useless, can't get a fucking job and don't have any strategic thinking.If you think paying thousands to send your kids to sports, classes or whatever will make them successful automatically, you are deeply wrong.So many white parents seem not to be able to teach the things they should be teaching to their children... they are all so entitled in comparison other kids.
>>535314593Plus so many whites are into this trend of "better a dog than a human"Fuck, 99% of successful people could only achieve their potential by being able to properly network and connect with humans. Humans are social animals.As result, they end up raising uo entitled hippies who think that their expensive trip to africa to feed nwords will save the world (spent more on the plane tickets than on the people you are doing "charity" award
>>535314502>If you look throughout history, the world has significantly improved in the sense of quality of life for a lot of humans.yet somehow they choose not to have kids. funny that.it changed in ways which make it nicer IF you have resources, no doubt.I think I now understand why humans failed. they just couldn't change. their demise was always inevitable. sad in a sense. interesting having a front row seat to it.
>>535313186Children don't cost any money at all. Food and clothes are paid for by the state (benefits/welfare) if you don't have enough. Even if it wasn't people give away old children's clothes and the amount of food everyone wastes they could survive off just your food waste alone. Money is no excuse not to have children. But by God is it rolled out as an excuse constantly.>But I want my children to be successfulHave more of them then, the odds of having successful children vastly increases with the more you have, a large number of siblings creates a good support network later in life too. Children are free. Have as many as you can.
>>535315506I have only a boy, I hope I can have another son. Nothing against daughters, but I don't see myself fathering one, but it's uncertain. 90% of the clothes I got for my 1yo, from his first days of life all the way to his first year, they were all donated. Just now I am spending more and not that much since I can still find some clothes.Buying used ones is really good too, they are often well preserved and useful.
>>535313186its a combination of economy in culture. the absolute biggest reason is women in the workforce (pushed into all sectors hard especially high salaried), illegal immigration (flooding low skilled larbour) and h1b visa/work visa (capturing more high salaried workers). Then you have all this culture and media pushing women to be "strong" "independent" "make their own money". Its all pushed by the government and big business because they want more workers especially high salaried workers. Now the economy requires you two have two incomes but that doesn't culturally work at the moment because of what men/women expect from relationships. The kid/NEET thing I think is just because the economy is bad, the culture is fucked, and the biggest reason is these old people want someone to take care of them when they get older. This shit has been snowballing in all westernized countries since the end of the nuclear family
>>535315749didnt mean nuclear family, i meant the household model specifically Adam smiths, the father of capitalism.
>>535313186what is the point?babies are cute but demand all of your timethen they grow into loud little kidsthen rebellious teenagersand then they leave home and you rarely hear from themmeanwhile you slave away your most productive years paying their billsseems like alot of stress for what exactly?
>>535313635Rich or poor, the total fertility rates are falling everywhere. It's not just a matter of household economics.
>>535313186You are retarded 100%Every aborted child I know of has been because of finances and governments destroying the home areas that raised these people that the government wants to birth more.
>>535313186Somebody has to breed and raise the next generation of goyim cattle. Most normies will happily step up to the plate and wage their life away for a chance to reproduce. I'm just glad that's not me.
>>535313186The problem is women. Women refuse to fuck men who rate below an 8. For the average guy who is a 5 or a 6, women will simply refuse to ever have sex or even talk to you. So really this is a woman problem. I was always willing to make babies. I've been willing to make babies for decades but no women will have them. They refuse. Because I'm not a 6 foot tall chad with a 6 figure salary. So yeah it's cultural. The jews told women not to have sex with normal men and women are retarded and easily manipulated by jew tricks.
>>535315948Mostly in Europe, Latinx America and East Asia, which are places where this cultural change has been happening.Anti-natalist propaganda has been displayed in Brazil for a long time, 99% of brazilians are dog worshipping anti-natalists for example.
>>535313381>Convenience killsThats amuch overlooked point. I spent quite a bit of time living outside of developed countries.The daily hustle that even a comparatively developed country like Brazil requires just to live does keep one sharp and ready.
>>535313186here in the US>access to top level services and goodsfood is literally goyslop, its very hard to find real fruit or vegetables anywhere, its all GMO designed with minimal nutrition. If you buy cheap meat its most likely lab grown>starvation is unheard ofits everywhere, every major city has a large homeless population, people live in tents, in cars, 'van life' is promoted here on /pol/ to 'stick it to the jew'>extremely high quality of lifeits shit quality life for what you pay for, even if you live in some shit city like Detroit the rent is too high>convenient lifestyleits a convenient way to die if you are not making over $70K a year, even ghetto blacks living on $70K a year complain they are barely making it, meanwhile people who actually work are expected to make it on $30K a year>safe environment (in comparison to the rest of the world)Crime is literally not punished, criminals are allowed to steal from stores and will not be jailed if theyre caught. drug addicts can open use hard drugs everywhereThe US is WORSE than a 3rd world country, I would feel safer living in Calcutta
>>535313439The obvious choice here is to just not do daycare
>>535316010>hehehe I am such an enlightened person and you are not!Tell me a time in history where people have not been cattle? People have always paid tribute and have always had a tyrant to lead them, who could be bad or at best cases neutral.Did people stop their lives due to that?Natural selection also plays a role here, the less resilient and austere ones get erased from the gene pool.
>>535313186People are commiting suicide because they are giving up>Lol it's cultural! >Safe environments durrrr!>Convenient! dont complain about driving 1.5 hours to work every day and back!You see people spend their money trying to avoid suicide, retarded nigger. Women don't do anything meaningful that isn't damaging men or fucking things up for society, why? Because they are weak and gullible, and believe Jews/fags. >The economy is just a cheap excuse why you have no home or kids or passion or hope for the future. See? you are a retarded nigger, begone!
>>535316071> its very hard to find real fruit or vegetables anywherePod people in the northeast megalopolis have no access to either grass or produce. Meanwhile the rest of the developed world has ample and cheap produce spilling off the shelves at every gas station, corner shop, and grocer
>>535316066Sharp n ready or failing n dying.
>>535316066Convenience has made first worlders tamed.Why risk if I can just sit down, watch tranime and play games all day?
>>535316113If I was you, I simply wouldn't live 90 minutes away from my job
>>535313186Intelligence + atheism leads to nihilism, which combined with fucked up biology of human pregnancy just does not inspire having kids. Jews are somewhat immunised to this even as atheists by their culture of seething, but that doesn't really work for whites.Evolution will take care of it, back to monkey.
>>535316145That's called usaid momentum, it'll die off for them too
>>535313186I could easily afford a family, even a large one but I dont want to settle for a hag so I rather stay single. It's just easier.
>>535316181Jews understand the value of blood more than white pipo nowadays, that's why they will win
>>535316107>Tell me a time in history where people have not been cattle? People have always paid tribute and have always had a tyrant to lead them, who could be bad or at best cases neutral.>Did people stop their lives due to that?>Natural selection also plays a role here, the less resilient and austere ones get erased from the gene pool.OP spilling truth bombs, if youre not a dancing HR whore, you can just die goy
My parents basically had me because all their friends were starting to have babies, they didn't want to be left out.
>>535316346Was it worth it
>>535316113Dumb mutt, lots of families worldwide lived in the same state... it used to be really common for parents to live in the state of parents-in-law and in many cases the parents in law would support in raising the children up.. Humankind have been this way for thousands of years you mad sissy
>>535316227The Kroger by me was supplied by USAID? Are you sure?
>brazillian flagYour country is a rancid shithole
>>535316276>Jews understand the value of blood more than white pipo nowadays, that's why they will winThey can only define themselves in opposition, without seethe the non religious ones will have nothing left and will also self destruct.The ultra-orthodox are just monkeys who mentally jerk off to the talmud and mentally fling shit at each other by circular reasoning. They can't sustain a technological civilisation.
>>535316331You can use this logic anytime in history retard.>oh you want to have children just so they can be slaves to the baron?You just want to die off, and it's ok, it's a voluntary cleansening
>>535316434>ignores the text>dilates and spergs out about random thing insteadRetard
>>535316434>>brazillian flag>Your country is a rancid shitholeyeah, lets just pretend that there is no such thing for americans to post jewish rage bait to support a fake & gay economy that only supports roasties and niggers in fake DEI jobs
>>535316402considering my father fucked off when I was like 5, probably not. He came back somewhere in my 20s and pretended like I was always the most important thing in his life.
>>535316346I think most people probably should have children since they would feel regret if they didnt do it, but its not for me. The anger about spending shittons of money on hag would make me completely lose it. This is why I personally never would do it. I simply am too self-reliant at this stage of my life, I can do most household chores better than women now. As the end result I am pretty much more competent than women at everything> better at earning money> better at cleaning> better at cookingThere is nothing I have from it except seething about body counts and coping
I'm a king, my genetics are extremely high quality. If I can't live like a king then I'd rather be dead. Why bother even being alive if you can't be rich and in charge? Just die, it's better to be dead than to be enslaved by people who hate you.
Women are delaying marriage and birth to extend their careers. They don't even get out of college until like 22, then they take a gap year. Start working at 23-24 and delay paying down student loans to build a girlboss debt life. By 28 they are pulling in $70k at their email job and expect any man to make them a wife and giver her kids to make $120k minimum. Shes already invisible at this point to 90% of these high earners unless they are in their mid 30'sIts not the economy. Its that both men and women are not coming to terms. A woman wants to be independent and high achieving, while a man wants a young woman to provide for. These two parties cannot come to terms and it ends in a stalemate until the eggs run out.
>>535316573>it's muh jew baitWell it's the truth, you won't have any offspring and you will die off as a genetic dead end.
>>535316738>Shes already invisible at this point to 90% of these high earners unless they are in their mid 30'sAt 33 women in their late 20s are busted to me too, what are you on? I would think the same if I was literally 90
>>535313186Fuck off, retard.Brazil is at a TFR of ~1.6
>>535316719You like to consoom the slop, and that's ok.
>>535316835Brazil has been an anti-natalist country for quite a while.We worship dogs like gods here
>>535313635>AfricaFalling>Latin AmericaCollapsed to European levels>IndiaCollapsed below replacement about 5-6 years ago
>>535316797youre right, it is the truth, most working americans will die off because they blindly accepted there 'convenient lifestyle' and only the dancing HR roasties and niggers will survive, survival of the ((((fittest))))
>>535316890>obsessed with HR dancing qveensMindbroken
>>535316812I turn 33 in a month and I agree with you. Im not really interested in anyone 27 or over. Would ideally want 18, but probably the best I could do would be a 22-24 year old. Wouldn't pass one up if they came my way. Just not exactly what I want.
>>535316890I dont know any woman who is in HR and has children that isnt like 50. They are such fringe swamp creatures, nobody wants them here aside of women who they dont want.
>>535313186Yeah pretty much, people buy the newest iphone and buy a car on credit and go clubbing every weekend and then cry they cant afford things as your average wagie
>>535313186If you can afford a dog, you can afford a child.If you are willing to have a puppy in an apartment (or inside) you are willing to put up with more BS than raising a child is.
>>535316959I could find a younger woman abroad but I lack the motivation to do so.
>>535316924>>535316964look up statisticshow many women with college degrees in the US who are doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists do you know? Almost none, they all have bullshit middle management jobs with very vague titleskeep living in your fake world where you think the US and Europe lead in any kind of manufacturing or technology goy
>>535313186Culture and economy are intertwined. It would be very rare to find a woman that think they wont need to work to help support the house hold
>>535316999People want dogs instead of children because they wnat a dumb serf for conforting them and are afraid of dealing with the complexity of human nature.
>>535317121you know the vast majority of woman do end up having a child. It just only one, because prime mother years are differed to perceived necessity of a carrier.
>>535317085Barely any. Its all BS jobs that probably arent even needed to begin with. Like HR.>>535317204Yeah, true but I dont want to be the hag sponsor.
birth rates won't increase while women are allowed to work
>>535313186I kinda get it.Economy and culture go hand in hand, and people are raised to work for the highest economic contribution possible.The problem is that they're told through culture that the highest contribution means going to university, working 40+ hours a week either for someone else or for your own business, hanging out at networking events to climb up the ladder and make it to the top.That's the worst thing you could do, because there's nothing more productive, no greater contribution, than to have as many kids as possible and to raise them well so they too produce kids they can raise well in 20 years time.In the meantime, you work to put food on the table and get some entertainment. You can do that on $20 per hour.You're just gonna have to accept that your clothes have to last longer and that your wife has to have fewer of them in her wardrobe.But that's part of the problem. After a lifetime of being told you have to be the best and have the most to mean anything in life, how are you going to accept a Spartan lifestyle?That feels like making a sacrifice, the wife will blame the kids and they'll get ruined.And worse, the kids have to go to school or get educated elsehow by law, and school will programme them into the same atrocious mindset of uni-party-professional slave.
Surely social shaming will work this time :^)
>>535317515Society will just shame men and then wonder why it doesnt work lol
>>535314502>If you look throughout history, the world has significantly improved in the sense of quality of life for a lot of humans.cannot ever change. any improvement will be speculated for more power.>fuckers are doing good these days, so it's justified we ask for morepsychos find it easy to justify anything anon. they just resonate with the system so they can say "we did that so I'm justified in doing some bullshit". in reality they didn't do shit, most of the good stuff we enjoy has been done by select individuals across history.so things can improve in certain areas but they will worsen from others point of view, because they improved in some senses, must be raped in other ways. so we are still dealing with a lot of bullshit that cannot ever change because people are constantly thinking about how they could abuse everyone else to get more power for themselves. so in the end we end up being fucked over one way or another. in current times they abused the love parents have for their children, economically speculated it. everything around it is so fucking expensive just because "well it's better than it was before so pay up pig!"so people just say "fuck it" now. this was allowed to happen, in the name of profit.so there is nothing sacred, nothing they wouldn't touch. they'd sell everything to kids if possible, gambling, dating, sex change surgeries, even to toddlers if they could get away with it.why? that = more power, more profit, more control over their minds in the future. humans have no shame, as a whole, and no limit, no ethics just ethics theater. if it guarantees they have control over you they'd sell you god and jesus, or aliens, or wokeness, literally anything, there's no limit to what they'd do, and no shame. that is progress, that is power, that is might, that is right. if they can do it then it's justified and the right thing to do by any metric.this is who humans are, as a whole/group/species. they are exactly this
>>535317506Agreed, people are way less austere nowadays, you need to consoom le $50 matchas everyday or you are gonna die
>>535317307Translation: "Get back to work all you pay piggies!"
>>535317506if you reach financial success before you get with a woman you will be less inclined to fund a hag, I tell you that. I sure as hell won't do it. Which then kind of forces you to import a woman but that is trouble too so you probably never will do anything.
>>535313186Women will only have kids if their survival depends on it. The largest destroyers of birthrate are women's rights, women education and their workforce participation. Even in some shitholes like India or some african banana country birthrates are falling even if they are still piss poor, and it's because WHO and other organizations fund women's rights/education and countries force them to participate in the workforce to boost muh GDP.Most men generally want kids, it is women that don't. Even in ultra rich countries if you took women rights away and forbid them from full time employment you would see birthrate skyrocket. But realistically, that will never happen and is not doable.
>>535317755they are being played by a certain system anon, which shows you how well off you can be if just work hard enough.so they want to have their cake and eat it too. they want to dangle the carrot to make you waste your life away working, in the hopes you reach that ideal form of rich and careless, but if people dare to enjoy life they're hedonistic.so they need to make up their minds. the problem here is the system itself is not adequate anymore, people are noticing. it's the same as religion is failing, people just don't buy into the nonsense anymore. some may relate to certain values pushed through said religion, but nobody educated is falling for sky daddy nonsense. it's just not adequate anymore, these are old games. it's like old fossil who just won't let go of power, trying any trick in the book to still keep the bullshit going.the reality is that nobody in charge gives a fuck about anyone and anything, that is quite obvious in the system. so in turn normies don't give a fuck about the system anymore. because they know people in charge hate them, and only want to exploit them
>>535313186It's none of that. It's not culture and it's not the economy. The real reason is much simpler and insidious: women are raised from an early age to be terrified of pregnancy. The overwhelming majority of birthing age women have a phobia of pregnancy, they think it destroys their body, they think that giving birth is the most painful experience possible (no shit, jewish doctors make you give birth lying down for hours instead of squatting for 10 minutes), they think it's a death sentence for their bodies. This is the one and only reason for the birthrate crisis, which is why nothing works, countries that give infinite bonuses to new parents have low birthrates, countries that strip women's rights have low birthrates, the only countries with positive birthrates are african countries where pregnancy is not feared and lo and behold Israel where women are given proper education and made to understand pregnancy instead of fearing it.
>>535318464Yeah women are retarded and easily brainwashed. We know.
>>535318464it's too much pressure and no values left anon. everything is up for grabs, everyone is selling everyone out. general distrust and fear for the future, so people are hedging their bets. ww3, economic collapses, pandemics, AI job losses, very few make it, elites are getting away with the sickest imaginable shit, conspiracy theorists are constantly being proven right, mass surveillance and nothing sacred for the normie individual, all of these paint a picture for what's coming.add the fact that you're being sold out for the cheapest import labor they can possibly source, no job security, a trip to the hospital becomes a lifelong money problem, you have to be absolutely fucking retarded to have kids, which is what is actually happening.but social media is too lucrative to shut it down, so they're trying to figure out a way to profit off it without normies seeing the reality of the situation they are in, quite the catch 22.
>>535313439>>535313732Kid expenses can scale almost as far as you want to push them. You could probably be grossing $50million a year before you run out of things to buy your kids. Upgrade public school to private, then private to better private, then add tutors, then add coaches, etc. Add daycare on top and summer camps and tons of other shit, it's endless. The problem for birth rates is;>What level of income is considered the minimum by most women?>Is that level of income met or surpassed by most men before 30 years of age?
>>535317755All part of the fomo.Just one problem with it that hasn't been mentioned.When people talk about the fear of missing out, they're talking about products or limited edition stuff.They're never talking about fearing you miss out on a community, a sense of belonging somewhere.That however is the single greatest and single most encouraged and stimulated fear of them all.People don't get $50 matcha latte's because the drink's so good, they get them because they don't have a community where they can hangout for free. They buy the matchas to go see the barristas who'll say hi how're you doin' because you're paying them $50 for milky tea.It's not about the products, it's about being able to have something to talk about with your "friends" online who also wanna brag about what they did.
>>535317307This, but unironically
>>535314653My feeling is that dogs are procrastination pets. Dogs get purchased by couples when the woman wants to "try out" the guy for parenting and/or they need something else for their relationship to be about than each other, but she's not ready to actually pop out kids yet for whatever reason. A dog is something vaguely similar in role that is not as much of a commitment as a kid since you can have the dog put down or given away any time you want.I do wish I could tell women that if they have a guy they want to buy a dog with, they're not learning anything from the dog, they might as well just take the plunge and have a kid. And if they wouldn't do that, having the dog first won't change it.
>>535313186>>535313186>>535313186IT'S BOTH R E T A R DTHAT AND JEWS PLUS THE NIGGERS AT COLLEGE THEY SLEEP WITH XD
>>535318464Foid here. This isn't entirely true. What's stopping me from having kids is money ($0, IVF required) and severe mental illness. But you're right there's a culture of finding pregnancy disgusting. I was reading an "100 reasons not to get pregnant" list the other day. It lists a bunch of really rare but gross and painful side effects. People read that and get put off.
>>53531318690% of men under 30 can't get a date, how the hell are they supposed to have kids?
>>535322868Women don't like that pregnancy is their adulthood ritual. Men do shit like wear sleeves of bullet ants, but women just have to get pregnant and give birth to transform from maiden (girl) to mother (woman). A full suite of biological transformation occurs that changes the female utterly.
>>535313186Very hard to have kids when the women are on birth control Pacu.
>>535323134By becoming a sperm donor, which is not my preferred idea but is definitely something I can see the Jew present as a "(((solution)))" to the problem.They wanna CRISPR-edit their genes to be more white anyway, they'll inevitably offer top dollar for liquid ivory.
>>535313186>90% of first worlders can totally afford to have children, but they just don't prioritize it.I'm just ugly bro. No woman wanted to have kids with me. Imagine you're a woman. Do you want to have ugly kids with the ugly guy? All these hoes have hoeflated to the point they all demand children from the same 12 Chads and if they can't have that, they would rather have no children.
>>535313186People that have the capability to reason stopped having kids because this world is ugly. Why would anyone damn his own genetics to dwell in this hellhole? Its because people dont see this world becoming a better place here it makes sense to live in that they gave up on kids. Why breed more slave to suffer?
>>535322868Women have zero obligations to societal contracts which is why the society is failing. Men get gestpoed in a Van at the age of 45 to be blown up by a cheap walmart drone in Ukraine while the women flee the country and start onlyfans.
>>535313186Nothing will change even if things are returned to "normal". You can make housing, groceries, healthcare, childcare, gas, etc affordable again but the birthrates won't increase. People have already tasted that sweet sweet hedonism and would rather die before giving up their newfound freedoms. Making everything cheaper will just give them more free time and money to do what they want. This applies to both men and women. You have to remember that an entire generation was raised in unstable households and failing marriages, so it makes sense that a significant percentage of them do not want to get married or have children themselves.
my wife and I are expecting, we get free stuff from the government and live on air as we call it. she won’t ever be working unless it’s hobbies like her sewing or vibe coding, so that’s the child care taken care of. unless the woman is a high powered blah blah blah like doctor or lawyer (lol) there is NO and I mean ZERO reason for day care to be a thing. no adult day care office jobs, no retail. no jobs. maybe some part time once all kids are in school but frankly she should be home schooling them. it’s a sheer numbers game, there is no reason to be leaving your child with strangers at a huge cost, like basically the woman’s income being consumed by this and then she is tired, whiny, full of drama from “work” and also, answering to another man all day. nope, she should be at home. answering to her husband. I realize the issue for many is actually a few steps back… no woman. no gf. that’s above my pay grade. idk how we get the women back into home maker roles and not whore roles besides social media showing their value would be much greater as a wife and mother than twerking and $6 a month butthole pic subscriptions. would have to ban income from OF. we would need to seize Hollywood and remake the last 40+ years of movies and TV to change that image, show women with husbands who aren’t dumb and have four or five kids. would need to promote celeb that push family first and white family, or same race families, over any and everything else. So gl I guess? the most based among us, and the stupidest tier immigrants, will breed and the vast middle will just rot. sad times. unironically dogs are great chick magnets, almost as much as a baby is (predatory women swoon over a dad with a baby and no woman in sight, they wanna take him). so dogs aren’t the worst idea but they can’t be seen as a child replacement. tldr we need to bring back shame and people need to just start fucking. ban birth control.
>>535313186>safe environment (in comparison to the rest of the world)That's where you're wrong Paolo, the shitskins of all varieties are everywhere now
>>535324281>my wife and I are expecting, we get free stuff from the government and live on air as we call it.you misspelled baby momma, how much ((((free stuff)))) are you actually getting to perpetuate nigger genes into the american gene pool????? Are you making 100K/year+ with your section 8 and your ((((wife's)))) 8 other babydaddies????
