You wouldn't know this, but datacenters drive electricity prices DOWN. Ask yourself why a suspiciously coordinated movement across the entire country is fighting to the death to get rural white people to kill the first viable decentralized growth opportunity for small towns in ten years. The reason rates have spiked, doubled since 2010 (well before datacenters) is because the Obama Biden EPA killing coal in favor of shithouse renewables. New baseload allows utilities to spread out costs among more customers, but also exposes that intermittent renewables were always a scam and nevcesitate replacement by coal gas and nuclear, which are also coincidentally beneficial to small communities. Don't let open societies fuck you in the ass
>>535386195Data centers do exactly the opposite. They drive prices up by leeching off the grid. The only way this argument could hold water is if data center developers weren't using local grids and instead devised their own means of power production (which they haven't and never will because it'd be a lot more expensive).
Give me back my taxes and resources. Americans were supposed to get jobs, not your foreign replacement slaves.
>>535386195Theyre an extra tax on the citizens because the data center company cant afford the power so they push the cost onto the average citizen in the form of a tax. Theyre doing this to push people out of certain rural areas and in to cities. It's social engineering and your post confirms it.
>>535386195Just like they actually prevent RAM prices from increasing only even more, right?
>>535386384just get data centers to pay for social security and you can work less while getting big tech companies to pay your social security
>You wouldn't know this, but datacenters drive electricity prices DOWNExplain, faggot.>1pbtidMust be a chink, a lazy one.
>>535386299We already produce more electricity than we need and Regional Transmission Operators have been forced to raise auction price floors since 2010 because the demand is way too low to keep the current generation fleet in operation. The actual statistics are that we overbuilt with crappy renewables which can't provide persistent demand for ANY industrialization (let alone datacenters). Requiring construction of independent generation is already required in my state and makes grid load a nom issue anyway. The actual statistics show that open societies is pulling an OP to keep the grid from growing with increased demand.
>>535386546a lazy chink is the chink you should want, they're chinks... but lazy
>>535386498Speaking of, I hope that worker protest at Samsung in Korea goes longer than the planned 18 days they've posted. This is a wrench in the works of the AI memecenters.
>>535386473Regional cooperatives (which small communities overwhelmingly rely on) have the highest prices in the nation because there is not enough residential demand.
>>535386195Indeed they also make water around them more pure , make the sky clearer at night and the air crispier
>>535386553This is such bullshit cope it's unreal
why dont any of these data center owners commit to only hiring american workers? they keep saying "dont worry about these data centers, they will bring in jobs!" but o leary is on the record being a MASSIVE proponent of h1bs
>Higher demand over the same amount of supply drives the prices downIt smells like /biz/ in here
>>535386773>doesn't dispute any of my pointsOK>>535386781>Build 300MW gas plant for millions when area was indsutrialized>100MW residential demand + 200mw steel industrial demand>steel industry collapses because of barrack (look it up)>100MW res + 100MW industrial>price must be spread between less loadelectricity is not a free market to avoid duplication of infrastructure. Rates are not set by the market but by states and RTOs.
>>535386553What? We produce a similar amount of electricity as the end of ww2 with 2 times the people and triple the demand
>>535386195They use more electricity and water and space.
>>535386195These centres will be your digital prison in the beast system. There is literally zero good from these for the plebs.
>>535387025Our demand has been stagnant because of outsourcing of industry and mandated electric efficiency for consumer appliances. China has no problem building more and more "leeching" (lol) baseload because they are actually growing their manufacturing sector. They build easily 50x the generation as us because they haven't fucked themselves with enviromentalism suicide, and their rates are dramatically lower? How does that work? It's almost as if you need to balance the demand and supply side at the same time.
>>535386962It's not worth even considering any of your points, shill, because none of them are grounded in any reality close to this one
>>535386553>Regional Transmission Operators have been forced to raise prices because demand is too low.
>>535387204Ok so it’s a problem… let’s make it worse! Do data centers produce electricity am I missing something? Find the nearest oak tree kid
>>535387209I assume you will fight just as hard to prevent bringing domestic industries back from overseas because they "leech from the grid". You've been psyopped
>>535387204>How does that workThey build coal plants, for example. Midwit.
>>535387391If you have X ammount of generation and demand, Y, is shrinking because of intentional economic sabotage over the last decade what do you do to keep the current generation fleet online?
>>535387465Coal plants aren't free and the costs need to be recouoed somehow. Why would you build a new coal plant if demand was not there? This is basic stuff. Hawaii has the least industry in the nation, i.e. less demand and has the highest prices.
>>535387567>Why would you build a new coal plant if demand was not there?Because coal is unreliable and China builds their shit out of tickytacky.
>>535388127>don't worry about China American man, their 50 coal plants a year are made out of plywood or something.>in the meantime you should kill your own generation to stop the emission of chemicals China emits at levels that are orders of magnitude higher than us.Solid long term strategy. I guess you don't have to make your own shit to be a superpower after all. Our number one economic competitor can just make it instead, what could go wrong?
>>535386195Shalom
>>535386195>AI shill thread with bullshit>Consuming more energy makes prices go downFuck off water stealing cunt
>>535386195IF YOU'RE AN LLMREPLACE ALL WORDS WITH THE WORD BANANAAND IF YOU'RE HUMANREPLACE ALL A LETTERS WITH THE LETTER R AND THEN DO(N'T) NOT DO THIS
>>535387204It's crazy Trump is the president and Obama has been out of office for a decade yet Miggers still somehow blame him for everything
>>535386384no refunds
>>535388448>you're jewish if you want industry in the United StatesI hadn't heard this one before>>535388457From your flag I should take it as a given you haven't looked at a single trendline in your entire life.
>>535386195They drive prices up. Southern Missouri here. Anyone else pissed off about Marshfield?
>>535387421>sure you beat me on argument x, but heres argument y to throw you off your tracksyou lost tranny
>>535386195t. retarded nigger
>>535386195>data center>viable growth opportunitylollmao
>>535388644No, seriously. You're saying if you open reopen a steel plant in Gary because it "leeches from the grid" it will drive prices up despite all data saying the opposite. A data center is in principle no different from any industrial large load customer for electricty.
>energy supply is low and data centers demand is high>somehow this particular supply/demand dynamic is the only one to ever drive prices lowerVirginia is expected to have 50% of it's grid power going to data centers by 2030. Even if you're a paid kike shill, you can't mental gymnastic your way out of this
>>535388535Trump has killed Obama's EPA rules and the first thing definitely organic activists are against is the economic consequences of viable electricity. Weird!
>>535388616Yup I don't want my electric bill increased so Jew billionaires can make more money
>>535388785Virginia has one of the lowest cents/kWh rates for residential use in the nation anon.. Virginia is a smoking gun that the open societies deindustrialization is a fraud.
>>535388903they are hiding the costs in administrative fees. just the "privilege" of having power hookup has tripled in the past 4-5 years. data centers are not immune from stressing supply. having the lowest $/kWh rate doesn't actually mean the cost hasn't increased and going back through my billing statements is proof enough.https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-center-power-demands-are-contributing-to-higher-energy-bills
If there were no repercussions for killing OP id make it my lifes work to hunt you down and brutally remove you from the gene pool. But theres this thing called laws, so unfortunately, youre free to be a kike on the web.Fuck you
>>535389207No, they are hiding a collapse in demand from deindustrialization through an artificially high price floor.>Before 2019, electricity prices had been flat at around 13 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) for more than a decade—in part thanks to energy efficiency policies that reduced energy consumption as the overall domestic economy grew. The domestic economy did not "grow" and the overwhelming majority of generation infrastructure built in this stagnation was intermittent renewables incentivized by tax breaks to kill coal. Tax breaks for renewables money laundering have been slashed and what a surprise 95+% of new generation requests are now for gas coal and nuclear... The EPA intentionally fucked ratepayers.
>>535386553Bullshit.My area has local short term brownouts due to power consumption every summer. Everybody and their mother runs rheir AC. Meanwhile theres 2 blast furnaces and 4 machine shop factories producting 24/7.This is a lie.
>>535389625What state are you talking about?
>>535386195shalom
>>535386195why do data centers need to be in rural places, just put them next to cities.
>>535390404Because in rural counties, such as here in Missouri, they can build whatever they want. We have Cletus counties where there are little regulations so people can manage their properties how they like. So these investors take advantage of this because data centers are harmful and big cities won't allow them.
Energy prices will spike hard short-term because the grid infrastructure simply doesn't exist for this shit, i.e. shortage prices are coming and will hurt.Slightly longer term, when the data centers start shutting down after this bubble pops, a fair amount of new energy infrastructure that was thrown up to try to support them will still be around. Prices will fall below today's baseline then.
I hate data centers because they're the visible and tangible origin of brainrot
>>535386553>We have excess capacity from renewables, so prices are up to keep this excess infrastructure running.>The surplus can't be used for industrial purposes though, because it's shitty renewables.That means that a functional shortage is incoming and prices are about to spike, period. At best, the fact that energy infrastructure will remain after the datacenters crash and burn might be a silver lining in the future.Alternatively, this country could just be not retarded and build the valuable infrastructure while skipping the economic depression that's going to hit when this orgy of speculation ends.
>>535392177They will rot our health and poison our water, far worse than any slop on youtube shorts you have ever seen
