The problem is not low birth rates. The problem is that there are too many retired boomers who refuse to die. The boomer generation was an aberration. Third world fertility was an aberration. In 1900 the world population was 1.65 billion and no one was screeching about extinction.
Why is our society arranged in such a way that only some people can have a good quality of life and most people are forced to have a much worse quality of life? It's always framed as this zero sum game where the boomers need to die so you can take what they have. Why isn't it possible for us to make new things anymore? It's not hard to make new things but this society is so zogged that it forbids us to do common sense things that people have always done for all of human history.
>>535406917Because there are too many fucking boomers and you all vote for BOOMER LUXURY COMMUNISM.There have never been so many old people on the planet and you all think you deserve social security and medicare. We're cutting you off gramps. We literally cannot afford all of you old farts. It's literally just a numbers game. You are too numerous. You either accept poverty or die.
Medicare and Social Security were never "earned". These programs are entitlements and are paid for by people working right now. Welfare is always zero sum.
>>535407085But what if they are high quality white boomers? I think we should get rid of the foreigners first, and then we can move on to criminals and get rid of them with firing squads. You could include junkies in the criminal group and kill all the fentanyl addicts and meth addicts too. You can get rid of the anchor babies who never should have been citizens and then you've probably removed 40 million people. You could drastically boost jobs by removing women from the workplace and getting people busy building affordable homes to end homelessness. And very gradually the boomers will die, but naturally over time at a slow consistent natural rate. So you get what you want without being mean to our respected elders. You need better discretion. There are many undesirables we can remove from society before we start targeting people who earned their retirement through long years of work.
>>535406613>In 1900 the world population was 1.65 billion and no one was screeching about extinction.Didn't germans screech about extinction two times creating two world wars?
The boomer himself is not even an issue. The issue is that governance cartels all around the planet build ponzi schemes that assumed that the boomer growth of suckers is always going to remain the same and the stupid boomer legitimated them for 50 years with his vootingThese sovereign bond ponzi shemes are no bankrupt and with it the global ponziconomy. Its going to be fun watching world wide state failures like if the entire world was some African shithole
>>535407564Boomers are not "high quality" when they are collecting welfare are driving up the price of homes with NIMBYism. The average boomer will have taken multitudes out of the system more than they ever put in. They are saddling you g people with more and more debt, simply by living and collecting social security and using Medicare. Their very existence is harmful to the country.
>>535407650No.
>>535407774their existence is harmful to banks, pension funds and the gubermint. If these three extortion systems are gone and burned alive, the boomer can live. else the boomer has to die with these organizations
>>535407755>governance cartels all around the planet build ponzi schemes that assumed that the boomer growth of suckers is always going to remain the same and the stupid boomer legitimated them for 50 years with his vootingBoomers were not passive "victims". They have been willing participants in looting western counties for nearly 6 decades now. They had half a century to fix the problem but they didn't. So they have to be dealt with forcefully.
>>535407251Yes and to remain solvent the rich jews will be taxed. The ones who stole the money from increased productivity. Trying to convince people who will benefit from this later in their lives is a failed mission, and the jews trying to steal the money are going to get fucked twice over.
>>535407774People work, and when they work they have to pay into stuff. So if you put yourself in their shoes, you also would want a reward at the end of your life, when you turn 65, and you retire from your position, you've put in 30 or 40 years of your life and they've been taking a cut of that income for decades and then when you retire, you are finally getting back a little bit for all that you paid in. It's balance. If you don't give the boomers what they paid for it's theft. It's a crime. And your loyalty to the country is misplaced. They don't care about you. They care about Israel. You could die in a fire and they would cook marshmallows on your burning body and laugh at your screams. Why are you loyal to them?If you are young enough to think the system will fail and you will pay in but never get back... well that's a problem of systemic failure. It's not the boomers fault. It's ZOG's fault that the system is failing. So be specific it's the old jews with wealth and power who fucked your country and your life up. It's not just the boomers in general. You need better discretion. Identify the problem is the jews first and then the age of the jews becomes kind of a moot point.
>>535407994I hate the boomer as much as the next one for legitimisation of these "institutions" BUT I would settle for mass murdering bankers, polity and bureaucrats and leaving the average boomer alone.I know what you try here shill, you did the same mistake then the stupid shills that took my Nothing ever Happens bait and spread it wide and far. The polity is going to hang and the bankers burned in a pit before the social security system and other benefits are ended by "consensus"
>>535408110>People work, and when they work they have to pay into stuff. So if you put yourself in their shoes, you also would want a reward at the end of your life, when you turn 65, and you retire from your position, you've put in 30 or 40 years of your life and they've been taking a cut of that income for decades and then when you retire, you are finally getting back a little bit for all that you paid inBoomers did not work hard enough, nor did they "put enough money into the system" (you have an incorrect concept of Social Security) to justify their current payments. When boomers were paying payroll taxes the average life expectancy was 60-70. There were more working people relative to retirees. Boomers now spend 30 years collecting welfare from only working 20 years. Social security was not meant for so many people to abuse for decades on end. You are a loser and you have no idea what you are talking about. Social Security is not a giant fund of pooled boomer money, it's an entitlement just like SNAP. It's literally just welfare and boomer communism accounts.for almost 50% of federal spending.
Any of our billionaire oligarchs could solve this problem if they wanted. They could simply spawn a business and hire everyone who is unemployed and then have them make houses for the unhoused. You solve unemployment and homelessness back to back and it would cost less than 10% of their net worth. They would have the adoration of the people like kings of olden times. It seems like the current oligarchs would prefer to just blow up or starve all of humanity and then rape and eat them and then replace them with robots and AI so humanity goes extinct.
Boomers are by far the biggest welfare queens. Even if you cut nigger welfare and kicked out all the immigrants, boomers would still be sucking everyone dry.
>>535408483No you simply cut boomer welfare and increase property taxes. This forced boomers to vacate their ugly McMansions and to live just above poverty.
>>535408519Shill, you fucked up already. Thanks for being so easy to manipulate. With 30years going toward 7% and likely the next bond auction or the one after failing, the real target of this bait is going to be murdered; bankers, polity and subsidized communist organization.The boomer was never the target, it was just the juicy scapegoat that made you run with the narrative
Well I respect my elders and I know that getting old is hard. Your body fails you, and then your mind fails you, and then you die. And we all suffer the same fate someday. So we need to show compassion to the elderly now, and hope that the people who come after us, show us compassion when we become old and frail. If you strip back all the economics, you will see the raw humanity of what I'm saying. You too will grow old and you too will need to be taken care of by society. So choose if you want a society that will take care of you, or a society that will kill you for being old.I choose compassion and love for my elders.
>>535408703It's literally just math, nigger. There are to many old people living longer and sicker lives and too few young working people to support them.>>535408653I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. It's just math. Too many old people.
>Getting old is hardGetting hard has been difficult for hundreds of thousands of years. The difference now is that we don't artificially extend peoples' lives for +20 years when they should have naturally passed away years ago.Literally 2% of federal spending is on dialysis to keep boomers and niggers on diabeetus alive. That is the same amount spent on SNAP. Let boomers die.
>>535407564Independently wealthy white boomers get the biggest SS gibs
>>535408856so you genuine. Possible, doesnt matter. I started this anti boomer campaign to explicitly hijack shill resources to spread the narrative you are currently spreading, which is not going to have the effect you think it is going to have.But as it is by now spreading organically after being supercharged by shill resources, the boomer is likely the first time in his entire life doing the right thing, instead of legitimation, delegitimation of the polity and its financial system; because a bunch of shills scapegoated the geezers, the majority vooter block
>>535408110There is no balance. SS is a tax and spend program. The idea it's a government IRA of your dollars is a lie boomers tell us to make you feel good about giving them 1/8 of your paycheck. This was made very clear in federal court.
>>535409020So your argument is that you hate fat people? That's fine. Just say that all the fat people should be euthenized instead.A lot of people live to be 90 or 100, so in a way you are saying you want to punish people who lived healthy. They SHOULD be rewarded for being so fit that they live to 100. And I've never seen an elderly diabetic. Don't they tend to die at 40 or 50? And also thanks to the covid bioweapon an extremely large number of people will have drastically shortened lives and they'll die with big gross snotty fibrous goo filling all their veins and arteries until their heart goes out. Thank big-pharma. Since all the vaxxies are gonna die 10-20 years earlier than they normally would have, this is going to drastically alter the demographic numbers. But it also ruins pregnancies too so it will cull people at both ends of the age spectrum. So there will actually be drastically less people in 50 years.
>>535409648the ponzi is over, quite literally. Less demand for ponzis, loans and regular goods and services means collateral value goes down, rolling over debt is not possible as the risk goes toward infinity. Global state failure, global 1789, with polity, bureaucrats and bankers in the role of the court
>>535409859Yeah I get it. Cant we just have a debt jubilee and write it all off and start fresh? It's kind of dumb to let the whole system collapse and fail when you can just erase the debt in some computer and pretend it never existed. It's all fake money that never existed anyway. Fractional reserve banking has been making up fictional fake money for years. So it was never real and I don't see why we can't just erase the number and start fresh.
Humanity is fully capable of building anything or doing anything, and we're basically stuck because our economic model is stupid and broken. It's like we're all playing a game of monopoly and it's late-stage capitalism so one player has all the land and all the money and nobody else ever has any fun. So why are we even playing the game anymore? Flip the table, reset the game.
>>535406613The white boomer crash yes, as it turns out replacing all the people that were supposed to take care of the boomers with illegal browns will only exacerbate the issue of negative birthrates in this country without illegal immigration
>>535409992The time window where a default of the debt over the last 30 years was possible passed with November 2025. A default today would end in a global Soviet Union event. And a failed bond auction in the US is equal to a default, but without the ability of restructuring and control. I hate to say it, but Trump fucked up so bad missing the time window for a default that the world is going Soviet Union/1789/Yugoslavia one or another way. Just use the failing phase to hunt polity, bureaucrats and bankers like it was Russia 1991
>>535409992Belief in the need to pay back money made from nothing is the linchpin of how they keep people enslaved. It's literally a "you're stuck in the matrix bro" mental prison. If people understood the absurdity of paying bank money made from nothing, 99% of the nonsense in the world would be over tomorrow. Banks do not lend deposits, even fractionally. They just make the money out of nothing. They never take risk by issuing a loan.
>>535410529Then stop paying.At 5% tax evasion the tax authority maybe catches 20-30% of the evaders, at 10% tax evasion the tax authority is lucky if they get 2-5%. The "state" doesnt have infinite ressources. The best you can do is quit your regular 9-5, go independent and never again file an income statement let alone pay your taxes
>>535408110>stealing from the thieves and their criminal system is a crimeWow and let me guess who made it a crime? Fuck off
>>535410693I was talking about debt. Why are you talking about taxes?
>>535406917Because resources don't exist in a vacuum. It is in fact contrary to popular belief a 0 sum game.
>>535408653>SHILLoh just stfu you pathetic fucking idealist. You always have insane opinions with buzzwords. You, of all people, with all your principles, philosophy, and wish fulfillment, are Infact the least likely of anyone to do anything or commit to any action out of your own lack of conviction and weakness. The most irrelevant schizo of this entire board screaming into a void.
>>535411250Well you would say that Canada. You have 50 billion Indians crawling in through every border to nest in your heartland and feast on your innards.
If I was dictator of the Americas I would deport or kill all the foreigners, and I would use all the prisoners as slave labor building low cost housing and other infrastructure, to save money on government contracts and solve homelessness. Impose something like a 90% tax on billionaires and then redirect that excess wealth into something more productive like giving every citizen acres of farmland and instructions on how to grow their own food.You could make this country largely self sufficient if you just stopped the greedy corpo jews from jewing your society.We have a vast country and tons of RENEWABLE resources, like food is totally a renewable resource if you use the right farming techniques.
>>535411132How do you think the public debt is collaterized and how the risk, so the yield is determined? Its the assumption about how much positive cashflow the extortionist "public" political institutions can press out of the active population, in relation to the "public spending" e.g polity and bureaucrats wages and pensions, subsidies to "N"GOs and "private" economic actors.... If you stop paying taxes the predictable cashflow goes down, so the ability of the treasury to role over debt is getting crippled, which is, if between 15-25% of the active population defect game over for the ponzi>>535411353Please, you have been running around with the narrative about cutting SS, axing benefits... for quite some time now and you latched onto the "boomer hate" to sell it; when the actual goal of the boomer scapegoat was to bait the boomer into delegitimation; not saving public employed leeches costs so they can leech more.
>>535412014The peasants will throw their rotten tomatoes at you asking where are all the big booty latinas and why are prison pedos building houses.
>>535412258You have a point. But if I was dictator of the americas I would have a better deportation system. What I would do is I would hire a bunch of social workers to individually screen each foreigner to determine if they are a beneficial foreigner or a problem. We can categorize the foreigner on a tier list, where the valuable immigrant gets largely ignored by the system, but ones who seem to be scummy criminals would be red flagged and moved to the work camps with the pedo rapists building farms for American citizens to occupy. The two big jobs would be, building farms, and wells in arable land, and then moving jobless people into the role of subsistence farmer using specific growing methods to preserve the soil quality over time through crop rotation and selective combinations of plants.I would solve the basic needs of everyone. So in my kingdom it would be illegal to be homeless and jobless. You would be put to work making farms or farming. 100% of everyone would be put to task producing enough food to survive. That's the main goal. It keeps everyone at maximum productivity.
>>535412708>social workers to individually screen each foreigneThats what they are doing with PRISM, Plantir, etc.. but for "americans", america will become a privilege that's why the gold card or whatever, digital ID will be the old auschwitz motto "Work makes [one] free" but for the goyim, work hard? Get goodies, dont work/neet? No goodies. Elon spoke on this, work hard and get a penthouse in the future, no you wont own it, it will be provided for as long as you work.
We just need to get back to a system where each person is part of a family unit and that nuclear family has a family farm built for multiple generations of that family to coexist there. The farm should be big enough to easily produce enough food for that family. Using efficient and smart methods, we could do this VERY efficiently. And once people get established and get some experience at it, soon everyone should be able to relax a very large part of the year. I've heard many times that the medieval peasant had far more vacation time than current people enjoy. Since farming is mostly a seasonal thing, it leaves parts of every year as free time to relax and be social and party and be human. That's important. Once we restore that kind of farm life across the country, it restores the old idea that the landowner is the voter. We could even narrow it to a head of household vote where each farm has to come to some consensus. >>535413262Well don't glaze them too hard, you are making Palantir sound great. I'm also not opposed to any kind of ID. I already have a realID and a passport and a digital footprint. In fact, it feels a bit like scummy criminals are trying to keep open a lot of loopholes by avoiding a proper ID system. Like voter ID. Come on. Why would we ever let a foreigner vote? Why would we ever let a dead person vote? Why would we ever let a person vote multiple times? All of this is solved with a basic ID check using a reliable ID that uses current tech to beat counterfitting.
>>535406917The shitty parts of the world had populations better suited for them until the guilt-ridden boomers raised by kike entertainment started showering them with nutrients. Their populations exploded like bacteria with sugar dumped on it.
>>535406613Half the world's population could vanish and we'd be back to the cold, dark, prehistoric days of 1975. Imagine the horror.
>>535406613people somehow believe the human population is sustainable - or can even grow more - which simply isn't true. as the chart proves, TFR started going down only after the industrial revolution (basically, the discovery of oil).oil will eventually be too expensive to get out of the ground and the population will finally collapse; likely just as fast as it went up. when this will happen? who knows. 100 years. 200 years. oil isn't replaceable and unless we develop something that is as energy efficient as oil, it's joever.making people's lives easier breeds laziness and wealth only makes having children less enticing because people want to spend the wealth instead of having kids. so, those of you complaining about muh birthrates should reflect that it isn't because you can't "afford" them - neither could these people in the 1800s - but because you have other and "better" ways to spend your time now.
>>535413561Its not so much the ID its the people developing and implementing the ID system, those faggot zionist already proven by virtues of their actions they are not to be trusted. Elon is a degenerate too and I dont think degenerates have our best interest in mind. Also work will set you free is supposed to be an ironic detail for the goyim as they slave away for trinkets the neanderthals in charge will reap the benefits.
>>535413700Oil is old tech. We're on to solar and nuclear and soon.. fusion. There are new models of nuclear power that are designed to prevent them from ever melting down critically and they are so miniaturized that they fit on the back of a truck in a shipping container they can deliver to a site. One shipping container nuclear power system could provide unlimited electric power to a large are for a long time. We could completely phase out the use of oil for shipping, and drastically reduce our reliance on it, thus extending the viable lifespan of the oil industry for other uses.
>>535406917>Why is our society arranged in such a way that only some people can have a good quality of life and most people are forced to have a much worse quality of lifecapitalism can only exist when the majority are poor/struggling. "wealthy" people are only wealthy because 100 other people are poor. there is no way to avoid this. any other system has similar problems and a truly equal system isn't likely possible.
>>535414017doesn't matter. oil won't last forever. fusion can't create fertilizer and good luck convincing civilian transport companies to put fusion reactors on their tankers or long-haul trucks.
>>535414102I hear what you are saying. And it's a solid logical conclusion. But I frame capitalism as a control system more than an economic system. What you are describing is designed to prevent the poor from having any say in how things are run. The USA is basically an oligopoly where the billionaire's rule, the oligarchs. And it's been that way for centuries I think. Think of the oil barons and the railroad tycoons. It's always been that way. Now it's Elon Musk or Peter Thiel in the tech world. The system doesn't want to change, because the oligarchs don't need it to. It already serves them well enough. But the friction is that it doesn't serve enough people and it's leading to catastrophic failure all across society on a global scale. I think we just need to move towards a weird combination of classical agrarian feudal society, fused with a really advanced highly sophisticated AI driven kind of futurism. The benefits of optimization could lift us all out of poverty and into a post scarcity future.
>>535414348Oof you might wanna sit this discussion out kiddo
