This is a thread for discussing the works of Rousseau, a seminal figure in the history of socialismHis works are important to understanding>the original left vs. Modern "left" wing groups>the original objection to traditionalism>the actual ideology of globalists>protofacism, the fascist left, "fascism">the social contract outside the leftBrace yourselves for heavy achedemic and philosophical content. This is not another #currentthing twitter thread.
>memeflagJeets need to leave
Basics:28 June 1712 – 2 July 1778, so nothing Rousseau wrote was a direct commentary on modern politics. Key figure in the French revolution, but an achedemic figure not a head chopper.Key figure in the romantic movement, which today is viewed as very right wing but in its time was actually a liberal ideology. Think college girls, vampires.Today, probably most relevent as a figure in the fabian, globalist, international jewish left. The Frankfurt school, new York institute, WEF. This isn't a meme or a conspiracy, Rousseau is their self identified intellectual figure
Before Rousseau the dominantly thinking was that whoever the monarch was, was there because God wished it, so was a vessle of divine authority. Leese magestie. Coincidentally almost all achedemics at that point came from monasteries, given lease to tax the peasants directly by the King. Did peasants actually believe that? Very interesting subject. Much like modern liberal democratic politics many peasants hated the king (hence beheading him) but most simply wanted a different person as monarch, some supported the pope against the king, most had never seen the king so were just told by the church "x is your king now". This led to most of the wars of that period. So alternatives to the idea that the king was gods chosen ruler were a big deal at the time, and would get anyone espousing them publicly executed, for either treason, heresy, or both. So many campaigns to kill "heretics" in this period were squarely aimed at people who didn't think the king had been chosen by God. Bottom line, Rousseau was commenting on monarchy, not democracy. The idea of democracy had been largely buried in the dark age. And this is a second key point, Rousseau was not just digging up Greek democracy. He was not a democrat, nor was he a classicist. Most of his relevent today is actually related to people who don't accept democracy, rather then people who don't accept monarchy, and so when globalists speak of the social contact the quiet party out loud is "i don't accept western democracy"
After the French revolution Rousseau's ideas spread further then angry French peasants ever could, so bear in mind, Rousseau was far more influential achedemically outside of France. Inside France, it was just peasants and bread, lack of bread, cake. And so the third key concept here is who Rousseau denounced (the king) and who he could not denounce (other revolutionaries). So we should be generally suspicious about attribution to Rousseau's contemporaries, half of whom were totally unknown to Rousseau before the revolution anyway. See: Robespierre.After the French civil war was the socialist schism, which gave birth to the socialist left (Bolsheviks, proto Bolsheviks, Marxists, proto-proto-communists) and the socialist right (it's very hard to describe this group in contemporary terms)The root of this schism had a lot to do with differing interpretation of Rousseau, and so today is an especially useful litmus test to distinguish socialist/self proclaimed socialists/ crypto nazis from one another. And this is all very adjacent to American revolutionary history, yet Americans seem to be taught nothing about it, despite the French being their major backer in the revolutionary war. Where do you think the statute of liberty came from?
Get lost crapto socialist.
Fundimentals:>man in his natural state is inherently goodThis is antithetical to the judochristian view of humans as the product of corruption. So Rousseau is technically a naturalist, and that becomes far more relevent to fascists later on. >industrial societyRousseau didn't proclaim savages or animals to be noble, that idea came later, but was widely attributed to Rousseau. His view was actually far closer to Ted's, arguing that technological change drove the creation of "vain" social structures which undermined communal behaviour. This is why he was a key figure of later communism, because the concept of private property was "vain". So Rousseau turns up again and again, everywhere on the left. >social contractMost widely explored theory, that society was rooted in social inequality because all social status was a deviation from communal behaviour. This was front and centre to Robespierre's "kill all elites" agenda, later to Bolsheviks, specifically nazbols.Synonymous with this is that economics was just another form of authorities law and that economic elites were identical to cultural elites. This is where I'm admittedly biased as a fascist. I don't think, and don't think Rousseau thought, that a banker can be a revolutionary. Nobody "votes" for bankers by giving them money, wealth isn't democratic consent or social consensus. Fabians however disagree.
>>535439042Ugh...rousseau is the font of so many bad ideas. Some interesting writings but altogether a destructive force inside of the western intellectual tradition
>>535439042https://nationalvanguard.org/2017/05/the-lesson-of-haiti/
>>535440540And this is why it's so important to understand Rousseau, after Plato, plutarch. Highly relevent figure. Pol these days is just spam and Twitter reposts, collective IQ nose dived with the smart phone
>>535440660Ah, see this is what I was alluding to with "fascist" groups. Many of these groups aren't neofascists, or any kind of fascists, they aren't nazis, they aren't socialists. They are typically loyalists, anti Bolsheviks (aka.reactionaries), they do believe in the divine right of kings, the soverign state, they don't belong in the blue square at all.
>>535440672The amount of damage that has been done by the 'noble savage myth is incalculable. I have some news for some of you, people outside of civilization don't actually have deep truths to share with people inside of civilization about how to better run civilization. Know why? Because they are outside of civilization.
>>535440969No idea what you're talking about. I posted it because it says the French revolution led to the decline of Haiti.
>535439042I don't discuss anything with memeflags.
If we take as our starting point that men in their natural state are "good", and capable of bettering themselves (unlike worms, frogs) then we accept the classical platonic view of virtue and so we are moralists not nihilists.And if we take a grey view of human cooperation, as a "type" of human conflict, tribalism as a grey moral area, we wouldn't be communists or deists.We wouldn't accept leese majestie from deists or mob law from communists. Communality would be good as an expression of virtue, a rape gang would not be a democratic majority. The social contract is thus the pre-leglistic consensus of all men party to a given society. The common good. Now a largely accepted concept but at the time, a major upset to divine will, the son of God, the sun king, and leese magistie
>>535441001The concept of the noble savage was not Rousseau's and that attribution is contested quiet broadly.But a key issue is that Rousseau doesn't accept the Christian "fall from grace" or the catholic "redemption". Rousseau lives under the beds of Catholics molesting their aquinian apologism and Christian caliphate.
>>535439042Really interesting topic but low IQ /pol/ is not the right place to have it. Also Rousseau advocated for a homogenous patriotic collective and was not a globalist.
rousseau was isane, spent like a year showing his dick to people in the streets and ended being groomed by some granny aristocrats for years when he "settled down".
>>535439042Rousseau wrote entire books about how to educate children while sending his own to the orphanage. "Do as I say, not as I do", like a true socialist indeed.
Rousseau tongues my anus. The French revolution was a mistake.
>>535441135I know not only what you were talking about but also what the article said. The bloodshed in Haiti is based, long overdue, and they're in their Robespierre arc where the violence internalises before a Republic is created. Exactly, I might point out, how the American revolution progressed. They didn't have car tires at the time but make no mistake of what the war of independence as a civil conflict actually looked like.
>>535439042>Brace yourselves for heavy achedemic and philosophical content.like all leftists after him, everything he believed was bullshit. your welcome.
>>535441357Wasn't it because he was spanked once as a kid and it gave him the weirdest boner?
>>535441322That's a major basis for the schism, interpretations on the social contract as inclusive of racial tribalism, geographic conflict.And this cuts right to the ideological heart of globalism because beneath the name, it's really synonymous with fabian socialism. It is not "global" in the inclusive sense, it's a global order. An international society.
>>535439042Francois Babeuf et son conspiration des egaux.
>>535439042>children are so innocent and good before being exposed to how awful the world is>also murdered all of his kids by dumping them off in a place where he knew they wouldn't survivehow did he get away with it
>>535441357Show me on the doll where the socialists touched you. >>535441387Indeed, the socialists claim of collective ownership of children, directly from roussea. Very important to understand his works. >>535441417You can eat cake then, if you have been duped into thinking you're superior and would never have been one of the 80% of impoverished workers, consider that before the French revolution social mobility was a sin. If your virtuous ass was born on a farm, virtue would mean shovelling shit, heriocs, commercial success, social clout, nope, that makes you a sinner. Stupid, stupid capitalists. Free market capitalism only existed in societies where the merchant class didn't exist. A French peasant couldn't buy stocks, shares, couldn't register a business.
>>535439042Gaaay
I know literally nothing of him but I have this meme of him
>>535441679Babeuf was a primary Robespierrite, a kind of Jacobite, and I've got no idea why communists try to claim him so forcibly as a proto communist. He wasn't even a Bolshevik. I think this is more indicative of communists in particular grasping at straws to avoid the obvious and generally held consensus that communism is a type of Bolshevism, and the communists actually seized power in Russia through force during the Russian revolution.
>>535441904The concept of the noble savage isn't usually attributed to Rousseau.Tacitus used it rhetorically but wasn't actually an advocate, it comes up in Dresden, montagne.If this is some redd1t shit they probably just don't know the difference between the liberal virtue (think, figaro) and the sauváge, and the blessed ape, the three being all unrelated to one another, and none, incidentally, actually bearing on the essential man. They're all arguments relating to virtue, not to cavemen.
>>535439042>(french revolution) freemason nonceNo thanks
>>535441765>Show me on the doll where the socialists touched you.Here
>>535441357French anon coming out with the hard hitting lore
>>535439042Schizobable about the century old pedo noncesense all you want it'll still be bullshit.
his name sounds like russia so he's a faggot
>>535439042>>535441322Good try but nu/pol/ will just derail it. Any actual coherent discussion is impossible here anymopre. >>535440540>>535441357>>535441679This is also kind of true. See? /pol/ is not dead yet at all,,, we've got to do something before it's actually hopless. Do not be demoralizedThe answer is 4chan withdrawal prevention center, formerly known as the psyops sommelier society. Certified & Designated by the Anons' Pattern Recognition Lab, Est. 2026. If you're getting tired of talking to same-shit-spam agitprop algo bubble bots, you should just start building your own breakaway communities or if you cba you can join my SimpleX chat :https://smp17.simplex.im/g#Dxe8q2q7F6os3d6z5HNHkPNEsbaJjrneZuXm8pIT8_oDesktop/Terminal app : https://simplex.chat/downloads/>Inb4 : “muh you glow”, “I’m not clicking that link nigga”, "muh memeflaggot", "Discord trannies"Nope. You’re the demoralization shill. I got bad news for you. It’s only going to get worse. If you want actual anon discussion - talk about history & geopolitics, esoteric political pattens, 'insider here' posts, financial predictions, privacy tech stuff, non-pozzed philosophy and literture, while at the same time some banters and shitposts allowed, places like clearweb img boards are no longer some sort of isolated layer where we can laugh at normiefags together. You are not browsing them. You are being browsed.
>>535439042>memeflag peddles rousseau as some sort of great thinker>entire ideology gets disproven by the same disastrous revolution he helped causego back
